Dorakue RITE NOW (this is the dragon quest x thread)

[EmCeeGrammar]

Personally, I am looking forward to a bongo-less junglebeat.

[y2kev]

leper drohne, icon EmCeeGrammar

god you are so weird

[Jansen]

it would suck ass to only have a wii and have to continually lie to yourself and others that you're perfectly content

[EmCeeGrammar]

Well, I had a choice of getting an arcade unit or a wii in november.  I was thinking of games I REALLY wanted on 360 and could only think of gears 2 and certain games in the xbla library. I kind of wanted burnout but alot of people say it sucks now. DMC4 apparently is only half a game.  Id probably rent dead rising but its design choices sound iffy.  Once I get my credit card payed off I could see myself picking it up a second console.

[y2kev]

You picked a Wii over an 360? Really? 

You could only think of Gears 2, well how about 1? What did you think of on Wii?

I cannot believe this. I am genuinly interested why you'd pick Wii over 360.

I know a few people who have done this. Well, okay, only one. But you have to like Trauma Center I think.

[demi]

If you are sticking with the Wii you must at least hack it. You did hack it right.

[Himu]

lol @ this thread

[hyp]

this thread rocks. chow and tiesto bringin the HEAT.

[tiesto]

this thread rocks. chow and tiesto bringin the HEAT.

 

You know I throw down whenever someone talks smack about DQ...

[Himu]

DQ is a pretty good series but I don't like it nearly as much as Final Fantasy, Shin Megami Tensei, or Suikoden.

[tiesto]

DQ is an alright series that trades in nostalgia and simplicity, like most Nintendo games.  The number of jrpgs to come out in the lst ten years better than dq is astounding.

Ehhh, I'll disagree, as I think a lot of the last 10 years of RPGdom seemed very experimental and didn't always work out as planned. But here's why I prefer the DQ series in general over everything else, especially FF (I haven't enjoyed one since 7, not counting the ports/remakes):

-No lame lead characters like Tidus or Vaan
-No experimentation with radically different mechanics
-The games are, for the most part, very well-balanced. No game breaking mechanics.
-Decent puzzle/dungeon design (8 was a bit weak in this regard, granted, but that's the exception rather than the rule)
-Memorable side-stories, some of the best in the genre
-Fast paced combat
-Huge world to explore, these games consistently feel 'epic'
-Usually a good soundtrack

You pretty much know what you're getting with these games, and that's a good thing. With FF you may pick up and get amazing (4, 5, 6, 7), or garbage (X2, 12). I don't get why the average EB'er talks down on nostalgia so much though, freaking cynical bastards.

[ananus]

dragon quest is the george bush of videogames

- old/archaic
- dumb
- doesn't do fights right
- fooled people into thinking it'll do things right more than once
- fools people into thinking they're enganging in a "epic experience"
- same as its predecessor

should've called it georgie quest

[y2kev]

i love how "experimentation" is like a bad thing. tiesto is the catholic church of game players. first you have active time battle and then people are marrying their toasters and fucking animals.

[tiesto]

i love how "experimentation" is like a bad thing. tiesto is the catholic church of game players. first you have active time battle and then people are marrying their toasters and fucking animals.

I said that I'd prefer a game that isn't innovative at all, but polished, over something that tries too hard to differentiate, but ends up falling flat on its face. Hence I preferred DQ8 faaaaar more than FF12. Granted, my taste tends to be a lot more oldskool and traditional than the majority of EB (I can't get that excited over most of what comes out now), but whatevs.

Cohen: Did you play through DQ2? Rhone is hardly what I'd call bland and challenge-less. Hell in DQ8, the fight with Dhoulmagus was rough. Most RPGs have been cake lately, which are so easy to game-break (hence the reason why every game has optional 100 floor dungeons and super overpowered bosses). Fuck, I was thrilled when I died in Mother 3 b/c I was lazy and trying overpowering strategies that would have gotten me by in most RPGs released now. I have nothing against easy games either, hell I liked Blue Dragon a whole lot.

I would love to hear some RPG series you think are better...

[demi]

We could have had a Dragon Quest with Blue Dragon visuals...

[y2kev]

i love how "experimentation" is like a bad thing. tiesto is the catholic church of game players. first you have active time battle and then people are marrying their toasters and fucking animals.

I said that I'd prefer a game that isn't innovative at all, but polished, over something that tries too hard to differentiate, but ends up falling flat on its face. Hence I preferred DQ8 faaaaar more than FF12. Granted, my taste tends to be a lot more oldskool and traditional than the majority of EB (I can't get that excited over most of what comes out now), but whatevs.

I like DQ. DQ5 is absolutely amazing, DQ4 is amazing, DQ3 is one of the greatest overall games ever made.

But I still liked FF12 more than DQ8. Sometimes I like not knowing what I'm getting.

[recursivelyenumerable]

By "balanced" you must mean "easy enough for children and the elderly."  DQ is so bland and challengeless.  It's so perpetually stuck in the same thing it's no wonder so many series are better than it.

The good thing about DQ is it still limits your healing resources so that enemies in dungeons are actually able to wear you down like they should.  Most RPGs these days make healing resources so plentiful that everything but boss fights are a joke.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Also by "these days" I mean "the last 15 years"

[Phoenix Dark]

Who gives a shit about an archaic jappy rpg like this anymore? 

Fallout 3
Mass Effect
Oblivion
The Witcher

All completely and utterly destroy every JRPG released in the last decade.  The thread over at GAF is seriously one of the most disgusting things I've ever read over there.  The game isn't even coming out for another 3-4 years and the nfags are going absolutely nuts as if the Wii's games line-up somehow isn't still complete and utter shit.  So it'll start getting more shitty, archaic JRPGs that are vastly inferior to their western counterparts... congrats, nfags!  Yaaay!  Neentendohhh!  YOU FUCKING NFAG FUCKS DISGUST ME... I FUCKING PICKED ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IN HIGH SCHOOL...I STOLE YOUR LUNCH MONEY AND PISSED ON YOUR GODDAMN TRAPPER KEEPER

WHO FUCKING GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THIS GODDAMN NIP ARCHAIC RPG WHEN THERE'S A TON OF WRPGS THAT COMPLETELY SHIT ALL OVER EVERYTHING EVERY JRPG KNOWN T MAN, YOU FILTHY FUCKING NFAG SCUM

Yaaay!  Wiiii!  The console wars am over, guys!  Yaaay!  We're getting a shitty jrpg in 3 years that's only relevant in Japan!  This makes our horrible library 10x better!  Yay!  Neeentendohh!  Yaaay i'm a fucking fat nfag fuck!! Yaay!

[Oblivion]

lol @ kbear's meltdown

[recursivelyenumerable]

let's recount the gradual dumbing down of the FF series!

FF1 (Good):
* No revive items
* No magic replenishing items
* Limited healing magic
* Limited healing items (basic potion only)
* Healing magic (mostly) limited to one physically weak class

FF3 (Still good):
* More powerful healing items (Hi-Potion) introduced
* Phoenix Downs introduced, but kept rare

FF4 (OK):
* Phoenix Downs easily purchased
* Ethers introduced, but kept very expensive

FF5 (Still OK):
* Use of healing magic can be transferred to other classes, but only by training as a white mage and
then using up your one extra ability slot

FF6 (Bad, though I still like the game):
* Ethers easily purchased ( )
* Any character can permanently learn healing magic just by equipping the right Esper for a while

FF7 ( )
* Any character can be given healing magic just by equipping a (plentiful) healing materia, without even having to train

FF9: Back to FF4 style.  the one reason I like this game better than 7/8

[Oblivion]

FF8 was the best.

[Jabberwocky]

it seems those DSs could be in a plastic case rather than an "actual DS"

That's even better. With the skin on it's easily the best looking DS I've seen. Shame it's only for the DSi.

[recursivelyenumerable]

8 at least had the mitigating factor that you can get Enc-Half/None early on, and build your characters by other means (magic refinement/card game) so that even if the random encounters are pointless you at least don't have to fight them.

[tiesto]

I'd like FF9 a lot more if things were sped up, and dungeons were made a tad more complex... the slow battle speed coupled with the long spell-effects time really hurt it for me. The slime DS case is hot-shit too.

[y2kev]

ff9 is like playing ff8  with slow cast on everyone always

it's not even enjoyable until you get autohaste

[recursivelyenumerable]

ATB speed was only an issue for the one-on-one fights that would pop up occasionally in the story.  They really should have scaled it to the number of characters in your party, would've taken all of two lines of code.  Load times are awful, and spell animations are annoyingly long, but it's faster than FF8 at least.

[MCD]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS

[tiesto]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS

Yeah, so?

[MCD]

i dunno lol.

[tiesto]

Now I wonder if I should play DQ7 on PS1 (still never beat it) or wait till the inevitable Wiimake...

[ManaByte]

Now I wonder if I should play DQ7 on PS1 (still never beat it) or wait till the inevitable Wiimake...

It'll probably get a DS remake.

[Himu]

DQ8 rapes FF12 with a 10 foot pole.

[Himu]

ATB speed was only an issue for the one-on-one fights that would pop up occasionally in the story.  They really should have scaled it to the number of characters in your party, would've taken all of two lines of code.  Load times are awful, and spell animations are annoyingly long, but it's faster than FF8 at least.

ff8's spells and animations are way faster than FF9's

[y2kev]

omg don't let himu go off on ff12 please omg no

[Himu]

FF12 has a lot of interesting ideas. That's the core of FF12's problem in a nutshell; it's full of ideas but almost none of them work, at least for me. I couldn't get into gambits, I can't stand the license board, half the dungeons are boring, the story sucks and the characters are boring, the world is lifeless and makes me want to puke. Then the next moment I'm like,"Hey, this dungeon is pretty cool." and then half an hour later it goes back to shit.

FF12 teases me over and over for 50+ hours.

I've played 50 + hours in the 2 years since I got it on day one, still haven't beaten it and it's my least favorite FF (played and beat 1-10, most side games).

[Himu]

omg don't let himu go off on ff12 please omg no

Too late.

I hate that fucking game.

[recursivelyenumerable]

ff8's spells and animations are way faster than FF9's

no they aren't.  9's are typically about 20-30% faster.  this isn't really a matter of opinion, I've timed them.

[Himu]

ff8's spells and animations are way faster than FF9's

no they aren't.  9's are typically about 20-30% faster.  this isn't really a matter of opinion, I've timed them.

But FF9 negates this by the fact it feels as it if it takes a full minute for a character to do their command after you issued it.

[Himu]

Well if you don't like the whole gambit system then yeah, I thought it was ace. Much more interesting and complex to me then the whole materia/draw etc systems. Also to me the world felt very real and solid, maybe cause it was Ivalice again. It didn't feel so out there as other worlds in the series but I liked it. Same goes for story.

Did you like FFT btw?

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Run while you can Y2Kev RUUUUUUUUUN

[close]

Just thinking bout it makes me want to play it, but the save is lost forever  :'(

FFT is one of my all time favorite games. I think the Ivalice in that game is mesmerizing due to the political intrigue, the gory deaths, and the Shakespeare. FF12 bores me. There is one scene in FF12 that was fucking gully and I was so excited because it actually felt like a Matsuno written game then. That was the best scene I've seen so far.

I got up to Cid and I fought him and he raped me, I turned the game off because I spent like an hour in that dungeon and there was no save point before fighting him. The game does shit that a lot.

[recursivelyenumerable]

But FF9 negates this by the fact it feels as it if it takes a full minute for a character to do their command after you issued it.

That doesn't affect the overall speed of the battles.  It's a feature of the battle system that's intended to make it more like a turn-based game (where you have to think a little ahead when deciding on your command), FF4/5/6 were the same way.  DQ games can feature a long "delay" between the time you issue a command and the time a character acts (if that character happens to go late in the turn order), but that doesn't make their battles slow.

[Himu]

But FF9 negates this by the fact it feels as it if it takes a full minute for a character to do their command after you issued it.

That doesn't affect the overall speed of the battles.  It's a feature of the battle system that's intended to make it more like a turn-based game (where you have to think a little ahead when deciding on your command), FF4/5/6 were the same way.  DQ games can feature a long "delay" between the time you issue a command and the time a character acts (if that character happens to go late in the turn order), but that doesn't make their battles slow.

Yes it does. In FF8 characters typically attack one after another. In FF9 it takes forever to do just about anything.

[dammitmattt]

Well, I had a choice of getting an arcade unit or a wii in november.  I was thinking of games I REALLY wanted on 360 and could only think of gears 2 and certain games in the xbla library. I kind of wanted burnout but alot of people say it sucks now. DMC4 apparently is only half a game.  Id probably rent dead rising but its design choices sound iffy.  Once I get my credit card payed off I could see myself picking it up a second console.

Why not spend an extra $50 and get a 360?  I understand picking a Wii over a 360 if you already have a PS3, but since you don't, how in the world could you pass on the opportunity to play basically every relevant non-Nintendo game?  The 360 is just so much better of an investment as a primary console.

[Himu]

I don't remember. The only dungeon I remember in that game was Barheim Passage, where you keep the place lit with electricity. That dungeon owned. If that game was full of dungeons like that, I'd love that game to pieces.

[recursivelyenumerable]

They normally act one after another in 9 unless you're fighting one-on-one or something.  I'll grant you that having Auto-Potion on everyone is tedious.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'm so glad I read this thread

[y2kev]

btw himu I got to some dungeon where some spiked wall was blocking the way, how far along is that?

20%

[tiesto]

I knew FFXII was fucked when I put down the controller and beat a boss while the game played itself. Game felt too 'hands off' for my liking.

And Kev, btw, I like lots of different RPG battle systems, just not XII's.