TDK - Final Judgment - This is it?

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't know about the Hobbit flicks though.  I'm not sure how effective splitting it into two separate films is going to be, and I'm not sure how much the style of Guillermo's filmmaking will clash with the already superb direction Jackson took with the LotR movies.

[Phoenix Dark]

They're not splitting the book into two films. One Hobbit film, one film spanning the 60 years between the end of the Hobbit and the beginning of FOTR

[TakingBackSunday]

They're not splitting the book into two films. One Hobbit film, one film spanning the 60 years between the end of the Hobbit and the beginning of FOTR

That's even worse.

[Phoenix Dark]

Agreed, I'm more interested in the Hobbit film. Althought the second will have interesting stuff to work with, including more wizards, Aragorn meeting Gandalf/tracking Gollum, etc

[ManaByte]

Agreed, I'm more interested in the Hobbit film. Althought the second will have interesting stuff to work with, including more wizards, Aragorn meeting Gandalf/tracking Gollum, etc

There's some Aragorn/Arwen stuff in the Appendix that they filmed for the trilogy but never used, and Mortensen has said in recent interviews that he wouldn't be surprised if they used that stuff in the second movie as well.

[Phoenix Dark]

Hm, what stuff from the appendex? Maybe how they met or something? FOTR EE has some stuff from the appendex concerning them

[ManaByte]

Hm, what stuff from the appendex? Maybe how they met or something? FOTR EE has some stuff from the appendex concerning them

Yea, how they met. Hell, they even showed the scene in the four minute Two Towers preview that was added to FOTR at the end of the theatrical run, but they never used it in any of the editions. It's possible they're saving it for a super duper 10th Anniversary Extra-Extended Edition, but it'll make more sense to put it in the movie between The Hobbit and LOTR.

[Solo]

Sorry guys, I didnt mean to try and cast away LOTR like a used condom or anything. I love the shit out of FOTR (best fantasy movie ever), and TTT and ROTK are at least passable, if nowheres near as good. I just meant that they seem to have already fallen out of people's minds, despite ROTK sweeping the Oscars just 4 years ago.

[Phoenix Dark]

Last year people were saying No Country and TWBB were top tier films. How do they rank on your "talking" scale today?

[cool breeze]

When is LOTR gonna be on blu-ray?

[Phoenix Dark]

2011 will be the 10 year anniversary of FOTR right? Plus the Hobbit will be ready for release around then

and more importantly for New Line, by 2011 there will be more blu ray players on the market

[The Fake Shemp]

Anyone that thinks Lord of the Ring pop-culture status is ahead of The Dark Knight or even Twilight, is crazy.  It was a fad.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'll talk about TWBB for a while I think.

edit:  Fad?  Hardly.  It'll go down as one of the best fantasy film franchises in movie history.

[Phoenix Dark]

Anyone that thinks Lord of the Ring pop-culture status is ahead of The Dark Knight or even Twilight, is crazy.  It was a fad.

yea, whatever

Best fantasty trilogy, and one of the best trilogies ever? Yup, a fad

[ManaByte]

When is LOTR gonna be on blu-ray?

The theatrical editions come out sometime next year, most likely the fall.

The EEs are being saved for 2010/2011.

[Positive Touch]

Anyone that thinks Lord of the Ring pop-culture status is ahead of The Dark Knight or even Twilight, is crazy.  It was a fad.

LotR is a fad that's behind fucking Twilight?  Get the fuck out of here

[DJ_Tet]

Anyone that thinks Lord of the Ring pop-culture status is ahead of The Dark Knight or even Twilight, is crazy.  It was a fad.

lol comic books

[Solo]

Last year people were saying No Country and TWBB were top tier films. How do they rank on your "talking" scale today?

If such a scale were to exist, very high. People still argue regularly over which should have won Best Picture. These people are morons. We all know Jesse James is the only true answer.

[TakingBackSunday]

Last year people were saying No Country and TWBB were top tier films. How do they rank on your "talking" scale today?

If such a scale were to exist, very high. People still argue regularly over which should have won Best Picture. These people are morons. We all know Jesse James is the only true answer.

Oh Solo, now I really don't agree with you.

[Solo]

In what way - who are you backing? No Country? Blood? Another movie altogether?

[Cheebs]

Jesse James was fantastic. Casey Affleck is a great actor.

[TakingBackSunday]

Blood.  I adore that movie.  Jesse James, while I thought it was also great, often bored me to tears in the middle sections.  Casey Affleck deserved all the praise he got, but it wasn't a performance that drew me so into the movie like Day-Lewis'.

[Joe Molotov]

They're not splitting the book into two films. One Hobbit film, one film spanning the 60 years between the end of the Hobbit and the beginning of FOTR

That's even worse.

How is it worse? They could do some pretty cool stuff stuff with the second movie, and if they don't, well then you don't have to watch it.

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't like the idea of two movies period.  They could've just done justice to the book and made it one, ONE flick.  And if they HAD to make two, at least split the movies as:

1 being the journey to Smaug
The other being the war.

But making a movie completely based on the appendices?  Even Tolkien scholars know the Appendices were things that Tolkien wrote completely on the fly.  What merit do they have as a movie?

[Phoenix Dark]

Tolkein wrote everything on the fly, that's not a good point. Splitting the Hobbit into two films would look bad imo. It's a short children's book. There will be more than appendix stuff in the second film; there's 60 years worth of information for them to mine, between the Hobbit and FOTR.

- Sauron returns to Mordor
- Gollum ventures from the Misty Mountains in search of Bilbo and ends up in Mordor
- Aragorn and Arwen meet
- Aragorn and Galdalf meet
- A young Aragorn leaves Rivendell and travels south to fight for Rohan and Gondor under the alias of Thorongil
- The Dwarves, led by Balin, re-inhabit Moria

[Great Rumbler]

Did they decide on a release date for the Hobbit movie? I think I'll face the dilemma of whether to read the book or watch the movie first again.

Christmas 2011 and Christmas 2012, last I heard.

I don't like the idea of two movies period.  They could've just done justice to the book and made it one, ONE flick.  And if they HAD to make two, at least split the movies as:

1 being the journey to Smaug
The other being the war.

But making a movie completely based on the appendices?  Even Tolkien scholars know the Appendices were things that Tolkien wrote completely on the fly.  What merit do they have as a movie?

That still doesn't really explain what's bad about having two movies. If the second one fails for whatever reason, then there will still be the first movie and you can just ignore the second one. One the other hand, Guillermo Del Toro and Peter Jackson aren't too likely to completely flub the second part, so more than likely we'll end up with two good fantasy movies.

[Phoenix Dark]

TWBB>No Country. Both are great but TWBB is an epic

Can't find Jesse James at Hollywood Video/Blockbuster sigh

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't think there's any true REASON to have a second movie.  What your describing, PD, are trite details that only LOTR nerds would care about in the first place.  If there's no sort of exposition or basic conflict involved in the second, what point is there?  A movie that is devoid of any sort of rising action makes no sense to me.

[Phoenix Dark]

eh ok. If you think they'd even consider making a second movie without a good idea/plot...lol. It won't be half assed.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm not as familiar with the appendices as I was a couple years ago, but what could they possibly use as a main conflict?  What wars or large scale battles occurred?

[CHOW CHOW]

Are you people serious with this downplaying bullshit?  TDK is a fucking masterpiece.  It's the Star Wars of our generation, assuming Star Wars wasn't a shitty, overrated sci-fi shitfest that only appealed to geeks.  TDK is the second highest grossing film of all-time.  It's an absolute phenomenon.  To the person who actually brought up Spiderman and Tobey McGuire in comparison, holy fucking shit dude...I'll pretend you never said that.  Tobey McGuire is literally one of the WORST big-name actors that's ever been in the industry.  Are you serious?  Tobey McGuire?  His acting in Spiderman was seriously cringe-worthy.  It was SO amateurish, so boring, so stale, so fucking awful.  I cannot fathom how someone could put McGuire's performance as Spiderman even in the same sentence as Ledger's Joker.  You've gotta be fucking kidding me.  Anyway, back to TDK.  You know what the problem with you people is?  You've got this ingrained idea that only certain types of films can be award-worthy.  The Oscars have shoved it down our throats for decades that dramas, epics, and musicals are the only types of films that deserve best picture nods, but that couldn't be farther from the truth.  The Dark Knight is the BEST film in the history of its genre.  It's absolutely peerless.  No other comic film / Summer blockbuster is even in the same league, but you narrow-minded people have this ingrained idea that considering this type of film as something that's award-worthy is ridiculous and actually laughable.  Ask yourself why this is.  Why are you wired this way?  Do you not understand what you've become?  Robots that adhere to societal norms without any second-guessing whatsoever.  It's not just about movies, either.  It's everything about life.  You've been wired to believe and live a certain way thanks to your parents and their parents and their parents.  Just look around you, look at how you act during the day, the little things you do that are considered "right" and the "norm", things you never question because they've been permanently wired into your brain since you were a kid.  Why is it good manners to say bless you after someone sneezes (or whatever other etiquette rituals)?  Why aren't Summer blockbusters award-worthy?  Why is this right, why is that wrong?  Ask yourself why.  You people have all been brain-washed and you don't realize it.  Remember what I've said here today as it's the best advice you'll ever get in your shitty xfag lives.

[Cheebs]

I don't think there's any true REASON to have a second movie.  What your describing, PD, are trite details that only LOTR nerds would care about in the first place.  If there's no sort of exposition or basic conflict involved in the second, what point is there?  A movie that is devoid of any sort of rising action makes no sense to me.

The point is to be able to do a movie with the LOTR actors who aren't in the Hobbit like Vigo and stuff to bring in $$$.

[WrikaWrek]

Somebody give Chow Chow a hug.

[Solo]

Who brought up Tobey Maguire?

[Eric P]

Who brought up Tobey Maguire?

i think he's responding to the wrong message board by mistake.

Chow, you need to hit alt+tab or ctrl+tab

[Van Cruncheon]

someone get chow chow his inhaler, stat!

[Cheebs]

lol at using TDK's boxoffice to backup claims that it is this generation's Star Wars/Jaws/etc...
 
Is it the biggest movie since Titanic? Yes, but you can't use it's boxoffice to compare it to films like Star Wars. Inflation makes that impossible. When you adjust it to compare ticket sold vs ticket sold it is OBVIOUS that while TDK is huge it never had the impact on American culture and the popularity of movies that Solo, myself, and others said TDK has nowhere near come close to. The same applies to Lord of the Rings. Star Wars made 1.26 BILLION in todays dollars in America, E.T. made 1 billion, Jaws 900 million. Batman made 530 million, ROTK adjusted made 408 million.

This should shut anyone up who thinks TDK (or LOTR) is on the same scale as Star Wars for the American audience. Star Wars, ET, (and nearly Jaws) DOUBLED the amount of tickets sold in America compared to TDK.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's not the second highest grossing film of all time. ROTK grossed more chow

[Cheebs]

It's not the second highest grossing film of all time. ROTK grossed more chow

Worldwide it did but I was talking about America since I dont have a fucking clue what movies people talk about or reference still in like sweeden or whatever. It still applies however, worldwide when going by pure ticket sales Star Wars doubled the likes of LOTR, TDK...etc.

This isn't to say I love Star Wars and hate TDK, I can't even watch Star Wars anymore I saw them far too many times as a kid but to argue LOTR or TDK even come close to having the impact on pop culture/movie goers as Star Wars. Or even Jaws is insane. Far far more people went to those movies than anything in this decade.

[CHOW CHOW]

inflation doesn't matter
there's too many other factors involved
you can't adjust the numbers for inflation and call it a day, there's a myriad of factors involved
i work in finance, i know what's up

[Phoenix Dark]

Neither film touches Star Wars in terms of cultural impact. I remember treating every LOTR release like a holiday with my friends and being bummed when I no longer could look forward to one coming out every December...but that's anecdotal. Star Wars took everything over

maybe the old farts like prole can explain it better

[Cheebs]

inflation doesn't matter
there's too many other factors involved
you can't adjust the numbers for inflation and call it day, there's a myriad of factors involved
i work in finance, i know what's up

Pure ticket sales Star Wars more than doubled TDK. That is ignoring $$. More than double the amount of people saw star wars in theaters. Simple as that. Nearly the same story for Jaws.

Was there a lot less variety to choose from them and a lot more time to see things? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact we are talking about their effect on society and culture. And that is dictated strongly by how many saw it. And MANY MANY MANY more people saw Jaws/Star Wars/ET and so forth in theaters than TDK.

Star Wars in it's run sold over double the tickets as TDK, more people saw it, more people talked about it.

In 20 years what do you expect to get quoted more? Heath's Joker or Darth Vader? Come on.

[CHOW CHOW]

shut the hell up

[Himu]

[Cheebs]

shut the hell up

Says the guy who thinks TDK's cultural impact is comparable to Star Wars in 1977. 

Find a single person who was alive back then to agree with you, you won't find anyone. Star Wars took over the entire world in the late 70's in terms of the movie itself, pop culture, merchandise....etc

[CHOW CHOW]

leave me alone

[Cheebs]

poor chow chow.  I regularly masturbate to chris nolan movies with the best of them but when you claim TDK is perfect, peerless, and equal in it's impact as star wars you kind of dig yourself in bit of a hole there.

But don't worry EB has had just as bad movie statements shared here as that, PD at one point called Forest Gump the best movie of all time, and my initial reaction to Juno was to call it the best movie I saw that year.

[Van Cruncheon]

it was worse when pd gave unforgiven 6/10 or whatever and completely missed the point of the movie

[Cheebs]

That was worth it because it resulted in that amazing Unforgiven poster of how PD would have preferred it to be. Ron Howard directing it starring Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Tom Hanks, and Professor Dumbledore.

[WrikaWrek]

it was worse when pd gave unforgiven 6/10 or whatever and completely missed the point of the movie

Unforgiven is awesome. Saw it the other day. So balla.

[Phoenix Dark]

I NEVER called Forrest Gump the best movie of all time, nor is it in my top 10

Unforgiven is still a piece of shit tho

[WrikaWrek]

Unforgiven is still a piece of shit tho

Dude, just don't man.

You don't like it, it's ok, but don't say stuff like that.

[Cheebs]

PD gave Unforgiven the same score he gave Van Helsing and Indiana Jones 4.

[Great Rumbler]

lol at using TDK's boxoffice to backup claims that it is this generation's Star Wars/Jaws/etc...
 
Is it the biggest movie since Titanic? Yes, but you can't use it's boxoffice to compare it to films like Star Wars. Inflation makes that impossible. When you adjust it to compare ticket sold vs ticket sold it is OBVIOUS that while TDK is huge it never had the impact on American culture and the popularity of movies that Solo, myself, and others said TDK has nowhere near come close to. The same applies to Lord of the Rings. Star Wars made 1.26 BILLION in todays dollars in America, E.T. made 1 billion, Jaws 900 million. Batman made 530 million, ROTK adjusted made 408 million.

Yeah, it can't touch those other movies when you factor in inflation, but no movie ever will. You can also look at it like this: TDK charted higher on the adjusted-for-inflation list than any other movie in the past 9 years.

[The Fake Shemp]

Did we all come to the agreement that Lord of the Rings is not as popular today as Twilight?  Because it's true.

[Great Rumbler]

Did we all come to the agreement that Lord of the Rings is not as popular today as Twilight?  Because it's true.

Twilight more popular than Ring of Nibelungen? Seems so.

[Cheebs]

TDK charted higher on the adjusted-for-inflation list than any other movie in the past 9 years.

Yeah, adjusted Star Wars Episode I beats it though which is probably why you said 9 years lol. It and TDK (adjusted in the case of Episode I) are the biggest movies since Titanic not ROTK. Although that isn't too shocking. Come to think of it more people I think as of 2008 talk about/reference stuff from Episode I still more so than LOTR.  Although most of it isn't positive lol.

[Phoenix Dark]

Did we all come to the agreement that Lord of the Rings is not as popular today as Twilight?  Because it's true.

what kind of argument is that 

[Cheebs]

RIGHT NOW Twilight is bigger than LOTR yeah so I guess I agree with Wllco. It's bigger than Harry Potter too. But as before only right now in 2008 at this very moment. LOTR will still be read in 20 years. I really doubt Twilight will be something they will last long in popularity. It has all the makings of a fad. It will burn out within a few years. Or at least a few years after the last book/movie.

But at the same time in 1997 you could claim Tamagotchi was biggest toy in the world, that means very little today.

[The Fake Shemp]

It's not an argument.  It's fact.  Twilight is more popular than Lord of the Rings nowadays.  How quickly we forgot those homoerotic Hobbit movies.  And for good reason!

And while the books will still have some popularity twenty-years from now, they never permeated pop-culture outside of the 60s mantra of "Frodo Lives!".  The film adaptations even less so.