Author Topic: fear 2 looks like shit. plays pretty much just like the first (Read 19038 times)

y2kev · « **Reply #60 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:21:36 PM »

sourcunt

i hate everything

people on gaf

etc

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #61 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:24:06 PM »

TAKE ME BACK TO THE RIVER, SON.

drew · « **Reply #62 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:29:02 PM »

Draft · « **Reply #63 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:49:54 PM »

Yikes.

Horrendously ugly and intrusive UI has surivived. Strike one.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #64 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:59:01 PM »

wow, that laser looks awful

it's got the whole uncharted problem of WOW INTENSE LIGHT AND HEAT YET CASTS NO GLOW

y2kev · « **Reply #65 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:59:36 PM »

lololol it looks like hl1

why is no one giffing this!!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #66 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:08:51 PM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on January 21, 2009, 04:31:34 PM

Quote from: dammitmattt on January 21, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
COD4's controls are nearly perfect for a console shooter and I never had a problem with the guns' "weight"....especially the LMGs.

Not surprising, considering that there is no weight to them. Particularly the LMGs, the damned things could as well be cheap airsoft replicas.

what is this weight? i value being able to precisely place a crosshair on a smal target with an analog stick, not the chunkiness of the weapon model or the inertial momentum of the controls, both of which are annoying

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #67 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:20:09 PM »

i hate all that head-bobbing shit fps games do nowadays

"ho man, i'm workin' up a sweat here, all sprinting with my pretend soldier dude"

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #68 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:24:52 PM »

why don't they just go ahead and release games like this at $30 or $40 and save everyone the time and trouble of printing up new price stickers in a month

y2kev · « **Reply #69 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:25:56 PM »

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #70 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:29:04 PM »

i'm just saying i would buy this without much thought at a $30-40 price point, whereas at $60 i won't buy it at all

cool breeze · « **Reply #71 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:07:45 PM »

the demo is out on PC and 360 tomorrow

drew · « **Reply #72 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:14:33 PM »

rent it then

Bildi · « **Reply #73 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:07:42 PM »

Quote from: Drewsy on January 21, 2009, 01:33:44 PM

Quote from: dark1x on January 21, 2009, 01:22:20 PM
The game has some of the worst sewers I've ever encountered in an FPS as well.

why, were there too many jaggies or something?

I'm definitely trying the demo. I was interested in Fear 1 but never got around to it. Being Condemned 1 and 2 were both awesome I'm hoping this could be fun as well.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #74 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:28:56 PM »

Man, the first person motion looks ripped straight from Turok

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 21, 2009, 06:20:09 PM

i hate all that head-bobbing shit fps games do nowadays

"ho man, i'm workin' up a sweat here, all sprinting with my pretend soldier dude"

I think it's awesome, when it feels natural. Or, as close to natural as you can get without it being intrusive. This looks pretty intrusive, and borderline silly.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #75 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:33:28 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on January 21, 2009, 06:08:51 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on January 21, 2009, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: dammitmattt on January 21, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
COD4's controls are nearly perfect for a console shooter and I never had a problem with the guns' "weight"....especially the LMGs.

Not surprising, considering that there is no weight to them. Particularly the LMGs, the damned things could as well be cheap airsoft replicas.

what is this weight? i value being able to precisely place a crosshair on a smal target with an analog stick, not the chunkiness of the weapon model or the inertial momentum of the controls, both of which are annoying

I suspect that when people talk about this stuff, what they really mean is how much firing said weapon engages their sub-woofer.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #76 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:34:41 PM »

this topic sucks

y2kev · « **Reply #77 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:38:33 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 21, 2009, 10:34:41 PM

this topic sucks

sourcunt

what do people on gaf think about it

ps3

kaz hirai

cool breeze · « **Reply #78 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:39:47 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on January 21, 2009, 06:08:51 PM

what is this weight? i value being able to precisely place a crosshair on a smal target with an analog stick, not the chunkiness of the weapon model or the inertial momentum of the controls, both of which are annoying

If I had to guess, I'd say something like how Black handled. That's just how I understand 'weight' in FPS game movement.

I will say that I kinda like that kind of weight in a console shooter, but if a PC shooter has it, it would piss me off big time.

Bebpo · « **Reply #79 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:42:38 PM »

I'm at level 3 or 4 in Fear now. I got the shotgun and the nail gun and the gunplay is pretty fun. The level design suckssssssss though and I think I'm in the NEVER-ENDING SEWERS/SEWAGE_PLANT that dark10x was talking about. At least it's hard to get lost but I never have any idea where I'm going so I just keep running forward and when I see a guy I hit slow-mo and whack him in the back and shoot everyone else.

Also demi is right. This game has terrible achievements. I keep beating areas and getting load screens but no achievements. I think I've gotten one so far for beating the intro.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #80 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:35:53 AM »

Quote from: Drewsy on January 21, 2009, 12:20:36 AM

Quote from: Bildi on January 21, 2009, 12:06:55 AM
Hey guys I feel like jerking off to gifs of concrete falling off walls.

Let's make a Killzone 2 thread.

(Image removed from quote.)

whats the story behind this?

duckman2000 · « **Reply #81 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:38:46 AM »

One thing that I hope will become a new standard is the ability to separately adjust horizontal and vertical sensitivity. Killzone 2 felt like a whole new game after I figured out that the best setting for me was vertical sensitivity at about half of the horizontal. Not sure why that isn't already a standard, actually.

Jansen · « **Reply #82 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:20:17 AM »

pc and 360 demos are up.

downloading the 360 demo now.

dark1x · « **Reply #83 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:22:19 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 21, 2009, 09:33:28 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on January 21, 2009, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: duckman2000 on January 21, 2009, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: dammitmattt on January 21, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
COD4's controls are nearly perfect for a console shooter and I never had a problem with the guns' "weight"....especially the LMGs.

Not surprising, considering that there is no weight to them. Particularly the LMGs, the damned things could as well be cheap airsoft replicas.

what is this weight? i value being able to precisely place a crosshair on a smal target with an analog stick, not the chunkiness of the weapon model or the inertial momentum of the controls, both of which are annoying

I suspect that when people talk about this stuff, what they really mean is how much firing said weapon engages their sub-woofer.

Actually, it has more to do with the connection between the camera and weapons. It's difficult to describe, but there is something about the way everything fails to gel that really creates this lack of weight. It has little to do with the audio or the actual firepower of the weapon. I'd say it also extends to the motion of the player character in that simply walking around feels a bit jerky and stiff. I suppose all of this is connected. The way the player weapon looks while walking around is really unattractive and pulls me out of the experience. I believe this has been a problem since SHOGO and Monolith has never quite gotten it right.

I should also note that I am referring to the PC versions of these games. FEAR runs at a rock solid 60 fps at maximum detail at 1080p with 8x AA yet it still feels like crap.

I also think FEAR was a HUUUUGE step down from NOLF. You see, since FEAR, every Monolith game has been flooded with repetitive, ultra boring levels that give the player no sense of place. It feels like an endless linear jog through a series of corridors and rooms. When you "go outside" it feels more like a tile set in an RPG with randomly generated dungeons than an actual outdoor area. It's like "OK, now you're outside" and you have another series of corridors with window dressing that are simply intended to make it seem as if you are wandering city streets or something.

I really miss the days of NOLF where you would find yourself in so many crazy, unique situations...

Jansen · « **Reply #84 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:49:28 AM »

unsurprisingly the 360 ver looks better (still has the shitty grain filter) and has a better framerate (although it hitches from time to time).

i like how you can flip tables and shit for cover and the mech sequence is awesome. in fact it's so awesome that i wish they'd make a game around it.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #85 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:16:23 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on January 22, 2009, 08:49:28 AM

unsurprisingly the 360 ver looks better (still has the shitty grain filter) and has a better framerate (although it hitches from time to time).

i like how you can flip tables and shit for cover and the mech sequence is awesome. in fact it's so awesome that i wish they'd make a game around it.

Shogo being snuffed once more :'(

Jansen · « **Reply #86 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:22:25 AM »

oh so they already made a mech game. well they should try their hand at another

i also didn't know that monolith made no one lives forever. i played the second one and it was pretty fun.

demi · « **Reply #87 on:** January 22, 2009, 11:49:55 AM »

Why the fuck am I shooting at ghosts??

Purple Filth · « **Reply #88 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:02:13 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on January 22, 2009, 09:22:25 AM

oh so they already made a mech game. well they should try their hand at another

i also didn't know that monolith made no one lives forever. i played the second one and it was pretty fun.

its not a mech game per say as it was a fps that made you also control a robot in that style. They said the mech stuff in FEAR2 is a homage to that game though.

demi · « **Reply #89 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:05:52 PM »

It's funny how FEAR2 does Condemned 2 better. Condemned 2 was such a piece of shit.

y2kev · « **Reply #90 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:07:39 PM »

agreed. condemned 2 is atrocious.

dammitmattt · « **Reply #91 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:14:27 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 22, 2009, 12:07:39 PM

agreed. condemned 2 is atrocious.

You really think so? I think the pacing was weird, it wasn't as scary as the first game, and the story quickly turned to shit, but the core mechanics were much better than the first game and the investigations were actually kind of fun. "Atrocious" is a very harsh word for what is a B- or so game.

demi · « **Reply #92 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:16:58 PM »

D- you forgot "shoehorned multiplayer"

duckman2000 · « **Reply #93 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:18:22 PM »

Didn't Condemned 2 add fucking QTEs to the combat, which in turn sent any sense of creepy immersion out the window? Worst "core mechanic" change ever.

cool breeze · « **Reply #94 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:25:08 PM »

Condemned 2 was fun at first when you were a smelly drunk hobo beating up other hobo

dammitmattt · « **Reply #95 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:28:37 PM »

Quote from: demi on January 22, 2009, 12:16:58 PM

D- you forgot "shoehorned multiplayer"

I don't even count the multiplayer in games where it's obviously tacked on and unimportant. A shitty multiplayer mode doesn't impact the single-player mode in any way when I'm judging a game.

Quote from: duckman2000 on January 22, 2009, 12:18:22 PM

Didn't Condemned 2 add fucking QTEs to the combat, which in turn sent any sense of creepy immersion out the window? Worst "core mechanic" change ever.

Not really that I can remember, unless you think combo systems in games are QTEs.

demi · « **Reply #96 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:39:16 PM »

Quote from: dammitmattt on January 22, 2009, 12:28:37 PM

Quote from: demi on January 22, 2009, 12:16:58 PM
D- you forgot "shoehorned multiplayer"

I don't even count the multiplayer in games where it's obviously tacked on and unimportant. A shitty multiplayer mode doesn't impact the single-player mode in any way when I'm judging a game.

When they could have used that manpower and resources to focus more on what was originally a singleplayer experience, yeah it impacts it. D- epic fail

y2kev · « **Reply #97 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:40:21 PM »

It's just horrible IMO. The first part of the game is okay-- it focuses on what made condemned 1 good, though what happened to the clean visual style of the first game? Now everything has next-gen shine and mud and is fugly. Anyway, there is just too much shooting and other bullshit. The boss fights are bad, the levels become wacky and they stay shittily designed (the barge at the end of the game SUUuUCKS). The story is almost unbelievable, and the gameplay mechanics that arise out of that are hilarious.

best part of the game was the bear chase scene and that wasn't scary for the same reasons that condemned 1 was interesting.

I don't give a crap about multiplayer though. Condemned 1 was truly a great game and by far the scariest I've ever played. I wasn't scared once by Condemned 2 and I really, really tried. Played only at night, lights off, everything.

Seeing CCCCOMBO!!! flash on the screen is not the way to do things.

y2kev · « **Reply #98 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:43:12 PM »

There wasn't anything in Condemned 2 like the subway system (seriously, it goes on and on and on and you just go deeper and deeper and deeper-- there is this palpable sense that you are spiraling into madness) or the apple orchard. instead we get to beat up our alcoholism in the form of a bum.

Condemned 2 isn't atrocious, sure, but it's horrible. It's not anywhere near as good as the first. And it bombed so sux to be them

duckman2000 · « **Reply #99 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:46:44 PM »

Quote from: dammitmattt on January 22, 2009, 12:28:37 PM

Quote from: duckman2000 on January 22, 2009, 12:18:22 PM
Didn't Condemned 2 add fucking QTEs to the combat, which in turn sent any sense of creepy immersion out the window? Worst "core mechanic" change ever.

Not really that I can remember, unless you think combo systems in games are QTEs.

Well, they certainly looked the part, what with the combo symbols, multipliers and button press notices. And then there were the shoulder button tapping. distinguished mentally-challenged mongo gameplay.

y2kev · « **Reply #100 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:47:34 PM »

There are QTEs in the game, yes. If you use up your superpower or whatever, you get QTE prompts.

cool breeze · « **Reply #101 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:03:03 PM »

Even on the PC fear 2 is a bit crap. It's not so much the combat it self, which is still fun and all, but more about how it was designed for the PC. Despite having a 16:10 monitor running the 16:10 resolution of 1680x1050, the game ran in 16:9 with black bars. This is also the first PC game in a long, long time that didn't have support for side mouse buttons. And that grain filter is hideous.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #102 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:05:45 PM »

:'(

cool breeze · « **Reply #103 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:07:15 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 22, 2009, 12:40:21 PM

I don't give a crap about multiplayer though. Condemned 1 was truly a great game and by far the scariest I've ever played. I wasn't scared once by Condemned 2 and I really, really tried. Played only at night, lights off, everything.

I agree with this

to stay topical, even FEAR 2 horror bits are more annoying than anything close to scary.

Quote

best part of the game was the bear chase scene and that wasn't scary for the same reasons that condemned 1 was interesting.

I don't agree with this. That part was really dumb. Insta-fail shit like that and the final QTE boss fight should be sent out to developers to teach them what not to do. The last boss fight actually reminded me of Road Avenger death in a way because it was miss one, then it has a horrible cut to a canned scene where he points a gun at your face.

y2kev · « **Reply #104 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:15:03 PM »

Yeah, but you never lose like more than 10 seconds of progress. and it's so funny. i mean LOL its a bear

compare that to what comes after with all the guns and the agent/troops in the cabin. total shitttt

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #105 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:28:55 PM »

by the time i got that stupid yelling superpower that game was all rolleyes to me

Kestastrophe · « **Reply #106 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:29:23 PM »

I just played the PC demo. The game didn't look bad, but it didn't look great either. There was some kind of film grainyness to the visuals. Even though I played through the entire first game, I was never a huge fan of it and I never thought it was anything more than average. The controls in the demo were crap, as others have mentioned. Half of the necessary keys aren't even bound to a default, so finding something that made sense was difficult. Plus the fact that I couldn't map the extra mouse buttons sucked.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #107 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:30:32 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on January 22, 2009, 01:03:03 PM

This is also the first PC game in a long, long time that didn't have support for side mouse buttons.

ugh, i hate that shit, for fps games i like using my left side button to crouch toggle

cool breeze · « **Reply #108 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:37:39 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 22, 2009, 01:15:03 PM

Yeah, but you never lose like more than 10 seconds of progress. and it's so funny. i mean LOL its a bear

compare that to what comes after with all the guns and the agent/troops in the cabin. total shitttt

If we're talking pure 'black character with chicken in his afro who uses a handgun' stupid funny here, Condemned 2 has a drunk homeless guy who fights and yells at people for attacks.

demi · « **Reply #109 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:42:25 PM »

The mech part was kinda cool, but I can see it getting frustrating as fuck on the harder difficulty

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #110 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:43:55 PM »

I really liked Condemned 2.

Horror Super Hero origins. Loved it.

Draft · « **Reply #111 on:** January 22, 2009, 03:24:51 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on January 22, 2009, 01:03:03 PM

Even on the PC fear 2 is a bit crap. It's not so much the combat it self, which is still fun and all, but more about how it was designed for the PC. Despite having a 16:10 monitor running the 16:10 resolution of 1680x1050, the game ran in 16:9 with black bars. This is also the first PC game in a long, long time that didn't have support for side mouse buttons. And that grain filter is hideous.

Strike 2.

T234 · « **Reply #112 on:** January 22, 2009, 05:53:37 PM »

I liked it.

Draft · « **Reply #113 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:02:12 PM »

Game's pretty assy.

T234 · « **Reply #114 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:55:53 PM »

I used to love you Draft

Draft · « **Reply #115 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:54:14 PM »

I used to love Monolith.

y2kev · « **Reply #116 on:** January 22, 2009, 11:12:13 PM »

What did you dislike about it? I played it and actually kind of liked PART of it. The ghosts in the hallway bit is total shit, but outside on the streets I liked it. Mech is distinguished mentally-challenged. Just shit everywhere.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #117 on:** January 22, 2009, 11:13:06 PM »

Will play on the PC, on God Mode. That way i won't be scared of no ghosts.

FatalT · « **Reply #118 on:** January 22, 2009, 11:25:19 PM »

I enjoyed it. It's exactly the same as the first game except with better graphics and the ability to have 4 guns at once instead of 2...and mechs, which are meh. I might buy it.

Crushed · « **Reply #119 on:** January 23, 2009, 11:13:19 AM »

demo was fuckawesome, just like fear 1
haters get raped by invisible zombie ghosts

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Author Topic: fear 2 looks like shit. plays pretty much just like the first (Read 19038 times)