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« Reply #11880 on: February 07, 2011, 02:31:15 AM »
Those type of interviews remind you of how bad the media is. You rarely, rarely see anyone ask a policy question. It's always politic bullshit or some type of muddied issue ("moslem brotherhood!"). Like on the health care mandate - instead of just bringing up the judge, why not ask constitutional expert/Beardo troll extraordinaire Mr. Obama why he thinks the mandate is constitutional, what precedent if any exists for regulating/punishing inactivity on a federal level etc. Maybe Obama shows his cards, maybe he doesn't. But regardless it would be interesting.

If only Tim Russert was alive!
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« Reply #11881 on: February 07, 2011, 02:51:12 AM »
The idea is that it doesn't make for compelling television with visible conflict or a dramatic, easily understandable hook.

Ironically, Sarah Palin is probably the most likely person to get asked substantive questions, if only because she's likely to produce a trainwreck of an answer.  If McCain had picked Romney as his running mate, Charlie Gibson probably doesn't even ask the NATO question.  It would all have been "can you two put the animosity behind you?" and "what did you learn about Senator McCain on the campaign trail?"

Anyway, the point as always is never never never get your news from cable TV (except maybe Rachel Maddow) and never never never get your news from Politico (except Laura Rozen).

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« Reply #11882 on: February 07, 2011, 03:14:39 AM »
I can probably count on my fingers the time I've visited Politico since the inauguration.

Yup, Palin definitely inspires journalists to ask questions with substance; imo the only somewhat unfair/blatant question she received was the Bush doctrine one. Her death panel attacks are really what got the media to finally look at the actual health care bill instead of arguing around its edges on meaningless stuff.

I can't imagine her running in 2012. She'll actually have to prepare for multiple debates where she'll be attacked by opponents; Biden pretty much ignored her in the 08 debate. I'd love to hear her whack around Romney, or insinuate his religion is a problem ha.
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« Reply #11883 on: February 07, 2011, 08:30:33 AM »
I think the Bush Doctrine bit was fair game.  It was a pretty big point of contention during his first term.  Sure, it's kind of obscure outside the poli-geek crowd, but it's something you ought to know if you're going to be an old man's heart attack away from the presidency.

Wonder if she runs.  I have no idea what's actually in her mind, but she's so visible and active that she almost has to run.  Then everyone else has to figure out whether or not they attack her, and whether she's running hard to win or pulling a Fred Thompson-style goodwill tour.  It'll be interesting to see it play out.

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« Reply #11884 on: February 07, 2011, 03:31:15 PM »
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"Due to an onslaught of personal attacks against Governor Palin and others associated with her appearance, it is with deep sadness and disappointment that, in the best interest of all, we cancel the event for safety concerns," the Facebook post reads.

The announcement also states that no direct threats had been made against anyone, but said that the "increase in negative rhetoric against the former Alaska governor" after the Tucson shooting "raises concern for her safety and the safety of others despite the call for civility in America."
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The Post points out that May 2 is also the date of a NBC/Politico 2012 Republican presidential candidates debate, to be held at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California.

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I hope she's running. It scrambles the Republican message considerably, especially with her being the Arctic Martyr of the Ages --- they will meet with monumental blow back from her rabid Tea Party fans if they attack her. But it will drive the GOP way to the right, which in normal times I would think would make them weaker and less likely to win a general election. But everything is politically unstable right now and I'm not so sure that will happen. Best to hope for economic rebound of epic proportions (10% growth!) so that people will feel that things are going so well that they don't want to rock the boat. otherwise, I'm afraid anything can happen.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/sarahs-running-by-digby-if-it-werent.html

interesting. Palin would chase Goldwater out of the party
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« Reply #11885 on: February 07, 2011, 06:39:58 PM »
I might register as a Republican just to vote for Palin at the primaries.
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« Reply #11886 on: February 07, 2011, 08:55:38 PM »
Since it was Reagan's birthday or whatever yesterday, here's a very detailed account of all the acts of treason Reagan committed (the bad ones, not like the Iran-Contra thing) throughout his presidency:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0301.green.html

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« Reply #11887 on: February 08, 2011, 01:15:22 AM »
Poor interview from O'Reilly. The constant topic jumping/lack of focus was odd, as was his continuation of the right wing attack over Obama refusing to endorse or condone an Egyptian faction.

When Obama lamented not being able to visit the corner anymore, I had visions of The Wire  :lol


Obama blew it big time. First of all he had no tie on. And second he looked high.





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« Reply #11888 on: February 08, 2011, 01:23:53 AM »
 :lol
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« Reply #11889 on: February 08, 2011, 09:05:14 AM »
Never fails  :lol
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« Reply #11890 on: February 08, 2011, 09:40:55 PM »


well then

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« Reply #11891 on: February 08, 2011, 09:52:14 PM »
America- Fuck Yeah!
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« Reply #11892 on: February 08, 2011, 10:07:04 PM »
For 2012, I'll have two spots on the futon in my spare bedroom (if you're willing to cuddle), two couch spots, and beyond that, bring your own sleeping bag...
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« Reply #11893 on: February 08, 2011, 10:14:10 PM »
Also, I know this sort of sentiment has been expressed before, but that clip really is indistinguishable from an Onion video.  wow.
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« Reply #11894 on: February 08, 2011, 11:32:51 PM »
that video isn't funny, just sad and very depressing.

I'd say the video says more about the current and future Republican party then it does about how they feel about Obama.  They're entirely white, two thirds male, mostly older, and obviously very and sorrowfully misinformed.  Seeing Hannity at the end pretty much hit all the targets in the exploitative and co-dependent circle that are the Republican base and their favored media.

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« Reply #11895 on: February 08, 2011, 11:46:46 PM »
Reminds me of that video of the McCain supporter telling him "he's...he's...he's an arab." Just tell us what you're really thinking so we can move on

That video also does a great job of illistrating how effective the echo chamber is. Not a single person in that room has any solution for Egypt, many don't know what's going on. They've just heard the WH is dithering, muslim brotherhood, Clinton, muslim brotherhood, Israel, muslim brotherhood, Iran. So of course they feel like the WH doesn't know what it's doing. It's not like Obama can come out and say "I'd prefer if x became the next leader. I don't want to see y elected. The US wants z to happen." But conservatives have simplified everything to the point where people expect those types of answers (see: Palin's criticism of the WH response)

On a side note my uncle had a dental appointment today so I got to see him. He was explaining to me how the Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over Egypt and set the stage for the Rapture by instituting a caliphate (which he called "cellifate"). He's basically a religious prophecy version of Manabyte, but a Nolan fanboy
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« Reply #11896 on: February 09, 2011, 12:07:20 AM »
I mean you would expect people to start laughing when the woman says she think Obama is a Muslim, but the past two have sort of stripped away our freedom to laugh when when people say incredibly dumb shit because you know somewhere in America there's entire towns of voters that believe this shit.

My wife's grandma from Lincoln Nebraska thinks that Obama is secretly a Muslim, and she not even the craziest member of her extended family.
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« Reply #11897 on: February 09, 2011, 12:22:40 PM »
It's really simple. You can't in modern polite society call a black person you don't like a distinguished black fellow. You have to use other code words to express your irrational fear/hatred. So since his name is Barack Obama, "muslim" equates as a very nice code word to replace the other word.
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« Reply #11898 on: February 09, 2011, 12:34:29 PM »
“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow,’ ” said Atwater. “By 1968, you can’t say ‘distinguished black fellow’ — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.”
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« Reply #11899 on: February 09, 2011, 02:40:59 PM »
I love how we've gone from fiscal responsibility and small government to three bills on abortions.
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« Reply #11900 on: February 09, 2011, 04:29:42 PM »
It's really simple. You can't in modern polite society call a black person you don't like a distinguished black fellow. You have to use other code words to express your irrational fear/hatred. So since his name is Barack Obama, "muslim" equates as a very nice code word to replace the other word.

muslin is the new state's rights.
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FoC made it to C-PAC this year...
« Reply #11902 on: February 11, 2011, 03:24:50 AM »
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/10/cpac-2011-whose-bright-idea-was-it-to-put-rumsfeld-and-cheney-in-front-of-screaming-libertarians.aspx

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WASHINGTON -- First, a word about hecklers: It's awful that they get so much attention. A few bad apples in a room of thousands can create the impression of massive dissent, when it really isn't there.

That said, boy, was there a lot of heckling when Donald Rumsfeld arrived at CPAC to accept the Defender of the Constitution Award. The ballroom for big events fills up many minutes in advance. In this instance, the people who wanted to hear Rand Paul speak at 3:45 had to arrive around 2:30, and stay there. If they did, they sat through a speech from Donald Trump (a surprise to attendees who weren't checking the news frequently), and used every possible moment to yell "RON PAUL" at the Donald. When Trump responded to one of the heckles, and said that Paul "can't win" the presidency, there were loud and righteous boos.

It takes a while to exit the ballroom. This means that hundreds of Paul fans -- recognizably younger and sometimes beardier than the median CPAC attendee -- are in the room or in lines as Donald Rumsfeld is introduced.

"I am pleased to recognize our chairman, David Keene, to recognize Donald Rumsfeld," says emcee Ted Cruz.

There are loud boos.

Keene mentions that this is the "Defender of the Constitution Award." More boos; also, shouts of "RON PAUL! RON PAUL!"

Man I hope Ron Paul runs again.
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« Reply #11903 on: February 11, 2011, 12:01:55 PM »
He truly is the Nader of the right.
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« Reply #11904 on: February 11, 2011, 02:06:34 PM »
my respect/love for Paul and his fans has gone up over 9000 points since 2009
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« Reply #11905 on: February 11, 2011, 03:00:45 PM »
Paul's holding his first hearings on monetary policy, and is calling on a complete nutcase to testify.  Should be elucidating.

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« Reply #11906 on: February 11, 2011, 04:08:18 PM »
Paul's holding his first hearings on monetary policy, and is calling on a complete nutcase to testify.  Should be elucidating.

"American health care fascialism"  ??? :rofl ???
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« Reply #11907 on: February 11, 2011, 05:39:59 PM »
Edit: moved to own thread
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« Reply #11908 on: February 11, 2011, 05:46:00 PM »
omg that is going to be so terrible
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« Reply #11909 on: February 11, 2011, 06:39:07 PM »
[youtube=560,345]TsfqZA6b6JQ[/youtube]
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« Reply #11910 on: February 11, 2011, 06:46:29 PM »
[youtube=560,345]TsfqZA6b6JQ[/youtube]


So are libertarians going to stop driving on all the roads and make it so traffic isn't so bad anymore? Hey, sounds like a great idea to me!
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« Reply #11911 on: February 11, 2011, 10:44:32 PM »
how have I never seen/heard of this before
[youtube=560,345]-WP5dYfBBzU[/youtube]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/herman-cain-to-cpac-stupid-people-are-ruining-america.php?ref=fpb

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« Reply #11914 on: February 14, 2011, 06:43:36 PM »
On top of the whole committing-a-Godwin-violation-to-attack-a-Jewish-candidate thing, it's just a weird line.

Telling a joke that you need to explain, and is hardly a joke even then?  And referencing The Producers in front of what I assume is a predominantly black audience?  Next you'll see Mitt Romney try to win Tea Partiers by awkwardly explaining the premise of a Tyler Perry comedy.

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« Reply #11915 on: February 14, 2011, 08:24:56 PM »
A co-worker of mine commented "urban politics are so disgusting" after the reparations nonsense at a previous Chicago mayor debate. Politics is pretty muddy regardless of whether it's urban, suburban, country, etc. No one likes a carpetbagger and whoever has a house, job, went to college, etc out of the state/city/county/etc is going to have their credentials questioned. Sort of like arguing over who's from Compton and who moved to Riverside

Although to be fair, I still want to pull my hair out when family members from Detroit drone on about how I can't have an option on Kwame Kilpatrick because I live in the suburbs
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« Reply #11916 on: February 14, 2011, 08:42:54 PM »
Speaking of which, have you seen Street Fight?  Go watch Street Fight.

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« Reply #11917 on: February 16, 2011, 08:35:38 PM »
So...one other thing about the November elections was that Republicans won huge in state legislatures and governorships throughout the country. I thought this could prove to have dire consequences, but it actually turns out, this was actually a GOOD thing (depending on what state your in). Because a bunch of dumbass, reactionary governors, like Rick Scott keep doing things like this:

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Gov. Rick Scott of Florida declines $2 billion of federal money in deciding not to build a Orlando-to-Tampa high-speed rail line. Two other governors have made similar moves.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0216/Derailed-Third-GOP-governor-rejects-Obama-high-speed-rail-plan

Those funds that these guys rejected then get diverted to states like California (which is where I happen to live). Guess Republicans are great job creators afterall, just in states where they're not governors.

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« Reply #11918 on: February 16, 2011, 08:50:34 PM »
Speaking of GOP govs doing thangs
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/16/133814271/union-changes-in-wisconsin-spark-protests

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In Wisconsin on Wednesday, thousands of protesters again descended on the grounds of the Capitol to oppose a budget proposal by newly elected Republican Gov. Scott Walker. Walker wants to strip government unions of most bargaining rights, a move he argues would help bring public sector benefits in line with the private sector.

All week, workers have flocked to the Capitol in giant waves of protests. On Wednesday, they were rallying on the Capitol lawn and picketing the streets on the Capitol Square. Crowds numbering as many as 13,000 have at times shut down traffic. Unions contend that Wednesday's crowd is closer to 30,000.

So many Madison public school teachers called in sick Wednesday that the district closed down.

Inside the Capitol, protesters in the hallways and rotunda chant "Kill the bill." The measure would patch a $137 million hole in the state's current budget, but in the process, it would rework collective bargaining laws that were written 50 years ago.

Good to see republicans so focused on jobs with all these patriotic anti abortion bills, slashing of worker rights, rejected high speed rail construction projects, etc etc etc. If only Obama was this focused on jobs
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« Reply #11919 on: February 16, 2011, 08:55:47 PM »
So...one other thing about the November elections was that Republicans won huge in state legislatures and governorships throughout the country. I thought this could prove to have dire consequences, but it actually turns out, this was actually a GOOD thing (depending on what state your in). Because a bunch of dumbass, reactionary governors, like Rick Scott keep doing things like this:

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Gov. Rick Scott of Florida declines $2 billion of federal money in deciding not to build a Orlando-to-Tampa high-speed rail line. Two other governors have made similar moves.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0216/Derailed-Third-GOP-governor-rejects-Obama-high-speed-rail-plan

Those funds that these guys rejected then get diverted to states like California (which is where I happen to live). Guess Republicans are great job creators afterall, just in states where they're not governors.


This is the fucked up thing (different article):

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Numerous private corporations — including international conglomerates such as Siemens, Alstom, and JR East — have indicated that they would be willing to pick up the state’s tab and cover construction and operations risks, in exchange for the right to operate the trains.
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« Reply #11920 on: February 17, 2011, 02:48:12 PM »


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« Reply #11921 on: February 17, 2011, 07:23:14 PM »
I'm all for standing up to the man, but fleeing the state because you don't want to take a vote you know you'll lose is just dumb. Draw a line in the sand and fight - if you lose so be it, but at least you tried. Changing the rules or obstructing isn't the way to go.
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« Reply #11922 on: February 17, 2011, 07:34:58 PM »
Welp, seems Boehner's throwing down the gauntlet for the gubment shutdown.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/17/946162/-Boehner-threatens%C2%A0shutdown-over%C2%A0spending%C2%A0bill

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« Reply #11923 on: February 17, 2011, 07:41:49 PM »
"Obama refuses to work with republicans, government shuts down"

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« Reply #11924 on: February 17, 2011, 08:36:35 PM »
Probably stupid question, but does a gubment shutdown extend to Pentagon activities too?

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« Reply #11925 on: February 18, 2011, 12:55:40 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/number1/

Fox being humble as usual.  :bow2

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« Reply #11926 on: February 18, 2011, 02:43:29 AM »
I'm all for standing up to the man, but fleeing the state because you don't want to take a vote you know you'll lose is just dumb. Draw a line in the sand and fight - if you lose so be it, but at least you tried. Changing the rules or obstructing isn't the way to go.

I haven't followed the details of this, but if leaving the state makes passing the law more difficult and brings more publicity to the cause, how is it not "trying"?

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« Reply #11927 on: February 18, 2011, 02:49:37 AM »
It doesn't strike me as "trying" if you simply leave the state/not vote though. Seems like an obstruction stunt; eventually they have to vote, might as well get people on record officially and see what happens next.
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« Reply #11928 on: February 18, 2011, 02:57:24 AM »
It doesn't strike me as "trying" if you simply leave the state/not vote though. Seems like an obstruction stunt; eventually they have to vote, might as well get people on record officially and see what happens next.

Why pass a bad bill today when who knows what putting it off will bring?
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« Reply #11929 on: February 18, 2011, 03:08:51 AM »
Okay, as I understand it (this is mostly assuming it's similar to the TX legislature during the redistricting kerfuffle), the majority has enough votes to pass a law that the opposition feels is unfair.  So the opposition lawmakers leave the state in order to deny a quorum, making a vote impossible until they return.

Leaving the state is a stalling tactic, which reliably focuses media attention on the issue but probably won't change the outcome.  However holding a vote is, for all intents and purposes, capitulating.  In what way is a strategy that requires more co-ordination, brings more publicity, and increases the chances (however slight) of success not "trying"?



edit:  I think I get the impulse here, to see physical presence + official opposition as being more authentic resistance than physically running away, but that's taking the battle metaphor too literally.  Fighting for something in politics means doing whatever gives you better odds of a better result, and sometimes that means obstructionism and baldfaced publicity stunts.  Hell, that's all the GOP's done the last two years and no liberal I know would say they haven't been fighting.
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« Reply #11930 on: February 18, 2011, 03:23:16 AM »
There were 30,000 protesters on the scene before this, I'm not sure this is what it takes to bring more publicity to an already electric event. Considering it won't change the outcome, I just don't see the point.
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« Reply #11931 on: February 18, 2011, 03:28:30 AM »
Well sure it's likely to be futile.  But "drawing a line in the sand" via a vote is sure to be futile, so I don't see how one strategy is dumb and the other's commendable.

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« Reply #11932 on: February 18, 2011, 08:14:02 AM »
Republicans who filibuster = "Party of no"

Democrats who physically flee the state so they dont have to vote = "Party of commendably bringing more publicity to the cause"


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« Reply #11933 on: February 18, 2011, 09:01:24 AM »

"I learned it by watching you."
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« Reply #11934 on: February 18, 2011, 10:02:52 AM »
Republicans who filibuster = "Party of no"

Democrats who physically flee the state so they dont have to vote = "Party of commendably bringing more publicity to the cause"


 :lol SMH

Does Beardo understand using the distorted modern version of the filibuster to as a kneejerk reaction to stall basic functions of gov't inconspicuously knowing you won't suffer penalty for your opposition vs. taking a principled stand, wearing your position on your sleeve and wishing for as much media attention to be called to your issue as possible in front of the voters?

WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK?
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Beardo

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #11935 on: February 18, 2011, 10:13:56 AM »
I would give you 3 Wisconsin Democrats out of 5 for you sweet mental gymnastics, but nobody knows where they are.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #11936 on: February 18, 2011, 10:17:45 AM »
I see I'm on Beardo's side of an issue. Time to reevaluate my position

brb
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #11937 on: February 18, 2011, 10:53:26 AM »
I would give you 3 Wisconsin Democrats out of 5 for you sweet mental gymnastics, but nobody knows where they are.

Taking drastic steps to stop a law you find untenable = abusing an archaic rule to not even attempt to govern over the country you were asked to govern.

I also like how somehow WI Dem's extremely vocal protests then standing behind their principled reasons for their actions = Republicans doing everything to stimy any attempt at to try Obama's basic goverance, whether for the objective good of the country or not - then blaming Obama for not cooperating w/ Republicans

OH GOD WHY AM I ARGUING WITH BEARDO
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Phoenix Dark

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #11938 on: February 18, 2011, 11:13:50 AM »
At the end of the day you agree with this form of obstruction because the goal is admirable in your opinion. On the filibuster, you're right about the systematic abuse of the it, but this is more comparable to filibustering legislation (health care) one is ideologically opposed to. In both cases one side halts debate and delays the democratic process. I'm not a fan of the filibuster, and I'm not a fan of fleeing debates to stall them.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #11939 on: February 18, 2011, 11:50:00 AM »
At the end of the day you agree with this form of obstruction because the goal is admirable in your opinion. On the filibuster, you're right about the systematic abuse of the it, but this is more comparable to filibustering legislation (health care) one is ideologically opposed to. In both cases one side halts debate and delays the democratic process. I'm not a fan of the filibuster, and I'm not a fan of fleeing debates to stall them.

Beardo don't make me look bad

Everything you have said is true, but at the end of the day at least the Republicans showed up for work and had the guts to show their faces.