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« Reply #14520 on: October 19, 2011, 09:05:13 PM »


I think I should hurry up and get my money in a credit union.
First off, your money in insured so it isn't going to disappear when BoA's troubles get worse.  This move is probably tied to BoA's unwinding of some of their business (a process which has been ongoing for quite some time) and for the most part most banks have been doing this for years.  You should be with a credit union simply because they're easier to deal with, not gigantic macro moves like this.

Technically everything could go boom; if the FDIC gets fucked yes, people will lose their money and there will be blood in the streets. The ball is in Europe's court.

It's either "everyone dies," Europe gets it's shit together and avoids defaults, or we avoid blood in the streets and instead get Mega TARP. If we get another TARP, and this time to bail out Europe...oh man. If Ron Paul was smart he'd run as a third party candidate just in case something like that happened, and despite all my LOL PAULITES rhetoric I think he'd get a shit ton of votes.
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« Reply #14521 on: October 20, 2011, 02:27:52 AM »
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After Igniting Wall St. Protests, Magazine Proposes One Clear Demand

Three months ago, the Canadian magazine Adbusters called for a protest on Wall Street, providing the spark that began a wildfire of protest across the country and, over the weekend, in an increasing number of cities around the world.

That first call included a poster of a ballerina on the Wall Street bull, and a question: “What is our one demand?”

At the time, the answer was simple: gather in downtown Manhattan.

Now the magazine is attempting to push the protesters who have since heeded that call in New York and elsewhere — and have so far been united in little more than a shared anger — toward a more concrete, lasting and political set of demands. It is, in part, a reaction to the charge that the protesters lack any common ideas, and a fear that without one, the movement may fizzle.

“As the movement matures, let’s consider a response to our critics,” the magazine’s editors write in their latest “tactical briefing,” sent in a blast e-mail to 90,000 activists and readers on Monday. “Let’s occupy the core of our global system. Let’s dethrone the greed that defines this new century. Let’s work to define our one great demand.”

The e-mail, which was also posted on the magazine’s Web site, goes on:

On October 29, on the eve of the G20 Leaders Summit in France, let’s the people of the world rise up and demand that our G20 leaders immediately impose a 1% #ROBINHOOD tax on all financial transactions and currency trades. Let’s send them a clear message: We want you to slow down some of that $1.3-trillion easy money that’s sloshing around the global casino each day – enough cash to fund every social program and environmental initiative in the world.

The magazine then asks readers to take the idea for this “Robin Hood” tax on financial trades — and a global march on Saturday, Oct. 29 — to the so-called general assemblies that have been at the center of many of the Occupy protests and sit-ins
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http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/after-igniting-wall-st-protests-magazine-proposes-one-clear-demand/#more-136203


Seems like a good idea

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« Reply #14522 on: October 20, 2011, 02:31:32 AM »
I would prefer that we just start killing the sociopaths running the big multinationals.  They wouldn't give .01%.  They're not gonna give anything.  You have to TAKE with these people.  It's the only thing they understand.
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« Reply #14523 on: October 20, 2011, 02:39:59 AM »
That's not very compassionate. It's clear those people have mental illnesses. We need to rehabilitate them first.

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« Reply #14524 on: October 20, 2011, 02:57:07 AM »
let's commission a study to diagnose the specific mental illness first.
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« Reply #14525 on: October 20, 2011, 04:47:03 AM »
LOL

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« Reply #14526 on: October 20, 2011, 04:49:25 AM »
and who says we aren't a corporatocracy!  :P

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« Reply #14527 on: October 20, 2011, 09:36:30 AM »
That graph is done in such an annoying way I almost like the $9.99 plan now.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/after-igniting-wall-st-protests-magazine-proposes-one-clear-demand/#more-136203


Seems like a good idea
What is with all these "Robin Hood" plans lately? Even in the Disney version he's protesting taxes and "stealing" from the government to distribute the unjust taxation back to the people.

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« Reply #14528 on: October 20, 2011, 10:05:01 AM »
It is annoying, but I also think it's very effective in pissing off the people it was meant to piss off.

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« Reply #14529 on: October 20, 2011, 10:15:44 AM »
That graph is done in such an annoying way I almost like the $9.99 plan now.

How would you have done it?

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« Reply #14530 on: October 20, 2011, 11:13:55 AM »
You can easily shrink the Y axis and it would still have the two red ones significantly larger, as the blue ones would also shrink and be far less visible. And nobody has to scroll for six years.

Not sure why the "Top 20%" one is blue either.
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« Reply #14531 on: October 20, 2011, 11:16:39 AM »
I only scrolled a couple of times.  Big monitor :smug

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« Reply #14532 on: October 20, 2011, 11:18:57 AM »
You can still label the bars!

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« Reply #14533 on: October 20, 2011, 11:38:01 AM »
I never claimed it was otherwise.

It was just an offhand comment, I got asked about it so I elaborated. (To expand on that I wouldn't have done raw dollar totals anyway.) I think good graphs fit on less than half of a page as they're generally useless anyway.
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« Reply #14534 on: October 20, 2011, 11:46:34 AM »
why so? it's not skewed or anything, it's sets of 10,000 each way. 

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« Reply #14535 on: October 20, 2011, 12:37:55 PM »
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« Reply #14536 on: October 20, 2011, 01:34:31 PM »
Cain is embarrassing.
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« Reply #14537 on: October 20, 2011, 08:53:41 PM »
Not sure why the "Top 20%" one is blue either.

because the blue lines in the left are separated into quintiles, and the red is on the right is different as it specifically breaks out the upper 1 and 0.1%?

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« Reply #14538 on: October 21, 2011, 12:11:20 AM »
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Taking aim at minimum wage laws, union protections, and even local building codes, Herman Cain has put the finishing touches on the last missing piece of his signature “9-9-9” plan – an elaborate proposal to create “opportunity zones” in inner-city America that the GOP presidential candidate will unveil during a major campaign appearance in Detroit on Friday morning.

Cain hinted at the move during Tuesday night’s GOP debate in Las Vegas. He and his aides hope the details they provide about their plans to encourage growth in impoverished areas will deflect the surge of recent criticism branding “9-9-9” as unfair to the poor.

But details about the opportunity zone proposal, as obtained in advance by Fox News, will likely make “9-9-9” more, not less, controversial, particularly with organized labor.

To qualify for zone status under Cain’s plan, a given jurisdiction will have to enact policies the unions consider anathema – such as the elimination of the minimum wage, the provision of school vouchers, or the declaration of a zone as a “right-to-work” area.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/cain-adds-to-plan-angering-unions/?google_editors_picks=true#ixzz1bNzvyJnX


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Opportunity Zones must reverse counter-productive incentives and bureaucratic micromanagement created by Democrats and Republicans alike,” the document states. “Access to contracts and capital is skewed towards big business….All building codes, regulations, restrictions, and requirements should be reviewed from the standpoint of whether they impede economic growth.”

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« Reply #14539 on: October 21, 2011, 12:35:42 AM »
 :lol :lol
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« Reply #14540 on: October 21, 2011, 12:48:07 AM »
I think Jack Kemp was about the only politician who really believed those would work, bless his heart.

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« Reply #14541 on: October 21, 2011, 01:04:00 AM »
Herman Cain obviously went to the Sarah Palin Political Grifter's University.  As long as they're talking about you, you can get paid!  Exciting stuff.
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« Reply #14542 on: October 21, 2011, 02:45:11 PM »
Obama announces total Iraq troop withdrawal

Its a rapid withdrawl too, all before next year.  Bout friggin time.

edit: didn't see PD's thread.
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« Reply #14543 on: October 21, 2011, 03:51:36 PM »
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“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women,“ Romney said in a statement. "The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq.”

-Mitt Romney, 10/21/11

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« Reply #14544 on: October 21, 2011, 03:52:53 PM »
I need to read more about the immunity issue. I'd imagine it had more to do with this withdrawal than most things, but I'm curious how it came about.
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« Reply #14545 on: October 21, 2011, 04:01:20 PM »
It is mostly an immunity issue.

Both sides have valid points and the political reality in both countries makes either side caving on immunity an impossibility.

Iraqis are tired of civilians being killed by military personnel and nothing happening.

Americans would have a shitfit if soldiers were put on trial for accidental civilian deaths (which despite what GAF says is unavoidable in war). 

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« Reply #14546 on: October 21, 2011, 04:06:53 PM »
Also Mitt Romney is a fucking douchebag of epic proportions for that fucking quote.  No matter how much that cocksucker tries to spin this it's a win in the eyes of the average voter.  All they're going to read is "Obama says all troops in Iraq will be home in time for Christmas."  Pop some champagne, smoke a fucking cigar and grin like a motherfucker.  Eat it, Mitt.

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« Reply #14547 on: October 21, 2011, 04:14:50 PM »
but what about VICTORY!

I was pretty ambivalent towards Romney's semi-imminent presidency not long ago, but between his neocon turn and palling around with Robert Bork I'm getting scared
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« Reply #14548 on: October 21, 2011, 04:18:39 PM »
tldr version of Iraq to my knowledge:  Moqtada al-Sadr is making the Maliki govt nervous again and because of that immunity was off the table in negotiations, so we're outta there.
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« Reply #14549 on: October 21, 2011, 08:59:34 PM »
I really just don't know what good our continued presence in Iraq will do. I mean, I hate the idea of getting out while the country is still an absolute mess because of the sacrifice that's gone into this war, but...how many more years will it take to get things straight if we've basically made no discernible progress in the first ten years? It's time to go.
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« Reply #14551 on: October 23, 2011, 01:12:06 PM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-20124360/michele-bachmann-u.s-got-kicked-out-of-iraq/

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Bachmann also argued Sunday that Iraq had "disrespected" the U.S. in outlining its conditions for continued U.S. presence there, and urged Mr. Obama to "return to the negotiating table" with the Iraqi government and demand full reimbursement for the $700 billion America has spent on the war over the last eight years.

"The problem is, we've put a lot of deposit into this situation with Iraq," Bachmann told CBS' Bob Schieffer. "To think that we are so disrespected and they have so little fear of the United States that there would be nothing that we would gain from this? That's why I've called on President Obama to return to the negotiating table.

"The Obama administration has said they've gotten everything they wanted. They got exactly nothing," Bachmann said. "I believe that Iraq should reimburse the United States fully for the amount of money that we have spent to liberate these people. They're not a poor country. They're a wealthy country. I think that they need to do that, because what we will be leaving behind is a nation that is very fragile and will be subject to dominance by Iran and their influence in the region. That's not good."

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Bachmann objected to the Iraqi government's demands and said, if she were president, she would not comply with the Iraqis' demands on continued U.S. involvement there. But she also said it was Mr. Obama's foreign policy "failures" that had led to those demands in the first place.

"We could not allow our troops to be subject to that," Bachmann said. "But again, we are there as the nation that liberated these people. That's the thanks that the United States is getting after 4,400 lives were expended and over $800 billion? So on the way out, we're being kicked out of the country? I think this is absolutely outrageous what's happened."

Maybe Shah or Wrath could explain why Arabs are all such goddam ingrates.

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« Reply #14552 on: October 23, 2011, 01:13:37 PM »
#OccupyIraq
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« Reply #14553 on: October 23, 2011, 01:21:42 PM »
Quote from: Bachmann
"Of course. I would agree that the world is better off because all three of those actors are no longer with us, I absolutely agree with that. But I oppose the president putting us into war in Libya.

"Don't forget, the president has put us into two additional wars. One is Libya, and the recent one was at the request of Uganda," she said, referring to the president's recent decision to deploy 100 troops to Uganda to help combat the rebel group, the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)."

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« Reply #14554 on: October 23, 2011, 02:40:19 PM »
100 troops deployed

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« Reply #14555 on: October 23, 2011, 10:31:09 PM »
100 troops? Why didn't we just send a strongly worded email?
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« Reply #14556 on: October 24, 2011, 08:54:13 AM »
$800 billion on Iraq seam far to conservative for even her to say it with a straight face.
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« Reply #14557 on: October 24, 2011, 04:47:41 PM »
Quote from: pat buchanan's new book
What the above points to is a strategy from which Republicans will recoil, a strategy to increase the GOP share of the white Christian vote and increase the turnout of that vote by specific appeals to social, cultural, and moral issues, and for equal justice for the emerging white minority. If the GOP is not the party of New Haven firefighter Frank Ricci and Cambridge cop James Crowley, it has no future. And although Howard Dean disparages the Republicans as the "white party," why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation?

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« Reply #14558 on: October 24, 2011, 04:55:46 PM »
Jesus.  So much stupid in that quote.

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« Reply #14559 on: October 24, 2011, 05:04:25 PM »
I prefer Buchanan to your average party hack (Stephen Moore, for example), because you know you're getting the real Pat Buchanan, not some poll-tested talking points.

Quote from: Pat Buchanan's new book, again
Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.

Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.

Yeah, that's the stuff.

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« Reply #14560 on: October 24, 2011, 05:08:08 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

Holy shit.  I can't believe that's real.  Talk about out of touch.

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« Reply #14561 on: October 24, 2011, 05:16:27 PM »
Quote from: Pat Buchanan
Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.

Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.

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« Reply #14562 on: October 24, 2011, 05:22:17 PM »
I prefer Buchanan to your average party hack (Stephen Moore, for example), because you know you're getting the real Pat Buchanan, not some poll-tested talking points.

I've always sort of had a weird soft spot for him.

But by any rights with the shit he's said he's proof positive that if you're Republican and "in" with the Washington crowd, there's almost nothing you can say that'll get you off the talking head circuit.
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« Reply #14563 on: October 24, 2011, 05:27:27 PM »
Yea, I've always liked Buchanan in part because he's not concerned about hiding his agenda. Hell, he genuinely looks shocked when people take offense to his shit

but yea, that argument is the gem in the crown of White Privilege. Yes, let's go back to the days when race wasn't a problem. Ahh, the 50s and early 60s *smokes pipe*
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« Reply #14564 on: October 24, 2011, 05:36:49 PM »
This sort of thing crops up all the time when people complain about the civil rights/feminist/GBLT movements.  "I wasn't aware of their problems" becomes "We didn't have those problems".

I'd love to see someone ask Buchanan whether he thinks black Americans his age remember things the same way.


Mamacint:  IIRC, Al Franken said he's really friendly in person.

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« Reply #14565 on: October 24, 2011, 05:50:43 PM »
This sort of thing crops up all the time when people complain about the civil rights/feminist/GBLT movements.  "I wasn't aware of their problems" becomes "We didn't have those problems".

I'd love to see someone ask Buchanan whether he thinks black Americans his age remember things the same way.

I bet his answer would be something like "of course not, we're all different individuals with different opinions. That's what makes America so great"
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« Reply #14567 on: October 24, 2011, 10:13:36 PM »
Pat Buchanon still can't believe the second coming hasn't happened yet. Or maybe it has and the shit he's been selling for the past 30 years wasn't good enough to get him in.  He's just bitter.
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« Reply #14570 on: October 25, 2011, 08:25:42 AM »
oh boy

Twelve Pretty Racist Or Just Crazy Quotes From Pat Buchanan’s New Book

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/twelve_pretty_racist_or_just_crazy_quotes_from_pat_buchanans_new_book.php?ref=fpa
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I didn't expect his segregation nostalgia to be so blatant
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Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.
Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.
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« Reply #14571 on: October 25, 2011, 05:07:06 PM »
Anyone have any thoughts about Obama's executive order strategy for mortgages? Kthug seems to think it may be worthwhile (not his own analysis, but from some guy he trusts):

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/24/hope-for-harp/

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« Reply #14572 on: October 25, 2011, 05:15:32 PM »
Can't be worse than the administration's first stab at the housing crisis. Most economists seem to be saying it's a good idea and could help a bit, but doesn't go far enough. The WH spokesman has said this is just the beginning of the focus on housing though, so perhaps it'll be paired with something in the future (I hope this means they're looking at Gagnon's Fed idea)
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« Reply #14573 on: October 25, 2011, 09:38:31 PM »
is this new?


Rick Perry unveils flat tax plan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15451162

This sounds terrible.

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« Reply #14574 on: October 26, 2011, 02:24:56 AM »
Hate to see Bill Maher lose a million bucks, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that Herman Cain may actually win the GOP nomination.  :o

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« Reply #14575 on: October 26, 2011, 02:33:08 AM »
I will take a 3 month ban bet with anyone that Cain will not win one primary.
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« Reply #14576 on: October 26, 2011, 02:38:16 AM »
You can get banned from EB?

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« Reply #14577 on: October 26, 2011, 10:45:55 AM »
I will take a 3 month ban bet with anyone that Cain will not win one primary.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14578 on: October 26, 2011, 12:37:19 PM »
Are we america; or are we dancer?
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14579 on: October 26, 2011, 02:16:18 PM »
You can get banned from EB?

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