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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #960 on: February 07, 2009, 12:48:21 PM »
tears trace the rhomboid jawline of ayn rand's decrepit spectre :'(
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #961 on: February 07, 2009, 12:51:42 PM »
58/42 spending/tax cuts? WTF

eliminated food stamps? wat

Obama better veto this bs
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #962 on: February 07, 2009, 12:56:25 PM »
He won't, that would certainly be a death sentence for his term.  He's passing anything.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #963 on: February 07, 2009, 01:03:32 PM »
it doesn't look so bad except for the house and car subsidies, which make me fucking livid.  talk about "expecting relief from tired old theories".  is there any chance that this stuff will at least be dialed back to the House version, if not eliminated?
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #964 on: February 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM »
What's the longest period of time for single party control since WWII?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #965 on: February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #966 on: February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #967 on: February 07, 2009, 01:12:55 PM »
What's the longest period of time for single party control since WWII?
Didnt Democrats control everything under LBJ?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #968 on: February 07, 2009, 01:16:09 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because education and its growth is more important and seemingly more effective to me than pipe-dream business tax cuts.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #969 on: February 07, 2009, 01:17:08 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

How about you acknowledge your last handful of crackpot claims before opening up some new ones? Why do you post here?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #970 on: February 07, 2009, 01:19:35 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because education and its growth is more important and seemingly more effective to me than pipe-dream business tax cuts.

And if we dont pile more money into it we will all the sudden be uneducated? It's not like it's a do or die situation. Public schools and colleges aren't going to close down all of the sudden if they don't receive million in federal money.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #971 on: February 07, 2009, 01:21:02 PM »
sounds like you need to read up on the Detroit public school system situation

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #972 on: February 07, 2009, 01:21:14 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because education and its growth is more important and seemingly more effective to me than pipe-dream business tax cuts.

And if we dont pile more money into it we will all the sudden be uneducated? It's not like it's a do or die situation. Public schools and colleges aren't going to close down all of the sudden if they don't receive million in federal money.
Nice job ignoring all the posts that proved you wrong.  :lol

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #973 on: February 07, 2009, 01:22:26 PM »
I bet he can do that 500 thousand times this month.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #974 on: February 07, 2009, 01:23:58 PM »
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because if we had more money for education, perhaps stupid Republicans could do math and remember history.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #975 on: February 07, 2009, 01:30:10 PM »
By your same argument we should put more money into national defense. After all more money = more national security. Actually we should just give everyone in the country $1,000,000 dollars. I bet that would stimulate the economy.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #976 on: February 07, 2009, 01:31:55 PM »
:hurr
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #977 on: February 07, 2009, 01:34:59 PM »
My plan is brilliant. Think about it. If everyone in the country had a million dollars then we could all afford to get a lot of things. And nothing stimulates the economy more than buying lots of things. It's brilliant and foolproof and has the exact same effect of the proposed stimulus bill. The difference is I just propose we eliminate the middle man (crappy government burocrats) and give the money straight to the people. Of course we will have to find a way to give everyone the fair amount. I propose a need-base system where people who need the money get the most.

OMG I should be an economist for Obama.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #978 on: February 07, 2009, 01:35:42 PM »
 :hurr
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #979 on: February 07, 2009, 01:36:45 PM »
Dont hate just because I thought of it first.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #980 on: February 07, 2009, 01:36:53 PM »
:hurr
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #981 on: February 07, 2009, 01:38:28 PM »
I don't think this stimulus plan will really have a negative effect on Obama. He has tried his best and he has come off good in the media while doing it.

The real turds are the House of Reps. They are the ones who overshot their load with the initial plan and slowly backpeddled into this odd, monsterous compromise bill that no one seems happy with. They are already riding historic lows in approval rating and they are the next up for re-election in 2010. Could be a blood letting.



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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #982 on: February 07, 2009, 01:39:11 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #984 on: February 07, 2009, 01:41:22 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #985 on: February 07, 2009, 01:42:09 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #986 on: February 07, 2009, 01:45:02 PM »
Oh wow.  :lol
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #987 on: February 07, 2009, 01:55:50 PM »
 :lol
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #988 on: February 07, 2009, 01:59:48 PM »
this thread just took a turn for the awesome
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #989 on: February 07, 2009, 02:09:57 PM »
TA with the FRAWRESS VICTOLY
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #990 on: February 07, 2009, 02:13:57 PM »
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Schumer signaled his interest in removing one obstacle — a Senate amendment from Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., that would double a credit for home purchases to a maximum of $15,000 and allow all home buyers, not just first-time purchasers, to take advantage of it.

The $19 billion amendment, which was adopted Feb. 4 by voice vote in the Senate, is “way excessive for what is needed,” Schumer said, because it would allow people to benefit from trading in one home for another.

well, that's something.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #991 on: February 07, 2009, 02:22:22 PM »
lol, this is cute: http://www.newssun.com/opinion/col-0208-Stimulus

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Realtors across the country have been advocating for a comprehensive stimulus package to reduce housing inventory, make mortgages more affordable and available, and help deserving families refinance or modify their loans so they can keep their home.

The 650-plus members of the Heartland Association of Realtors and the Lake Placid Board of Realtors are committed to these goals and to getting something done immediately. There can be no doubt that stabilizing home prices and restoring confidence in the housing market are critical to the recovery of the economy here in Highlands County.

It is vitally important for President Barack Obama and Congress to complete a bipartisan stimulus package focused on housing. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 is a good start but much more needs to be done. It is imperative that the federal government act immediately encourage homebuyers to re-enter the market and to stop families from losing their homes to foreclosure.

"It is vitally important for President Barack Obama and Congress to complete a bipartisan stimulus package focused on giving us money"
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #992 on: February 07, 2009, 02:27:57 PM »
Yes, clearly the only way to avoid another housing collapse is to make homes even easy to get.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #993 on: February 07, 2009, 02:30:41 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #994 on: February 07, 2009, 02:38:55 PM »
Article: Realtors want more money from the stimulus.

EB1: OMG THE AUDACITY!  WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE OMG
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EB3: <Sarcastic rejoinder goes here>
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #995 on: February 07, 2009, 02:47:35 PM »
what u sayin
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #996 on: February 07, 2009, 03:58:46 PM »
Only took...what?...19 days for politics to enter into Obama's DoJ.

Hopenchange!

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« Reply #997 on: February 07, 2009, 07:08:19 PM »
I don't think this stimulus plan will really have a negative effect on Obama. He has tried his best and he has come off good in the media while doing it.

The real turds are the House of Reps. They are the ones who overshot their load with the initial plan and slowly backpeddled into this odd, monsterous compromise bill that no one seems happy with. They are already riding historic lows in approval rating and they are the next up for re-election in 2010. Could be a blood letting.

Nah, the House Reps had a pretty good bill that was in line with what Obama was proposing.  Remember that the original version of the Senate bill was more expensive than the House one (because it included an AMT patch).

The problem* is that the people forcing and negotiating the compromise in the Senate seem to be doing it just for the sake of doing it.  There's really no apparent logic or empirical basis for what they're targeting.  It's a total hodgepodge.

The approval rating of the House overall means very little.  It was rock bottom last cycle when the Dems were in control and they won more seats.  People always like their local official way more than the institution as a whole.



*The actual problem is that a few dozen Republican Senators and pretty much all the GOP House Reps are married to an ideology that's mutually exclusive with reality.  But that seems like such a fact of nature at this point it's hard to blame them.  They're too dumb to be moral agents at this point.
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« Reply #998 on: February 07, 2009, 07:12:09 PM »
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  People always like their local official way more than the institution as a whole.

I always thought this was logically inconsistent, but I guess it can actually make sense in a game theory sort of way.  if everyone's pulling for the interests of their own constituents and screwing the common interest, then each district's representative will be individually beneficial to them, but the institution will be detrimental.
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« Reply #999 on: February 07, 2009, 07:30:19 PM »
Even though that seems to assume a rational, informed public (haw haw haw) it sounds about right.

Plus a deadlocked Congress won't please anyone, because it's not producing liberal or conservative legislation.  Even if a vast majority of people disapprove of Congress, that won't produce a swing unless they disapprove for the same reasons.

And people are just more apt to think well of individuals than of big organizations.  Almost everyone rates their own kids' school as better than the state of the American education system.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1000 on: February 07, 2009, 07:51:52 PM »
[youtube=560,345]qc1FrY-m3xw[/youtube]



Senator David Vitter (R-Whorehouses of Louisiana and DC) gets absolutely raped by Dick Durbin.  These guys are so inept I wonder how they tie their shoes.
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« Reply #1001 on: February 07, 2009, 08:06:48 PM »
Oh gawd.

It does give me an excuse to post this, though:

Quote from: Professor Prole
i wanna cut a dance mix based on mccain campaign samples and smear memes

AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
GONNA MAKE YOU DANCE ALL NIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!

rapid high hats, chorus pedal

SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!
SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!

(cool hand luke sample: "what we have here is a failure to communicate")

boom-pish-boom-pish-boom-pish

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1002 on: February 07, 2009, 08:32:18 PM »
i liked the Presidential montage ransom video in Die Hard 4.  it was about the only bit I liked, did they steal it from somewhere?
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« Reply #1003 on: February 07, 2009, 08:34:14 PM »
I really want to see Vitter have to answer in detail about his diaper fetish allegations in a Republican primary in Louisana. It just boggles the mind that not only would he be so stupid as to go whoring in the superconnected D.C., but that he'd also push his fetishes on the whores to boot.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1004 on: February 07, 2009, 10:08:30 PM »
Hey guys, guess who just weighed in the Senate compromise?



Aw yeah.  Here's the money quote: 

Quote from: Ron Paul
Paul said that he agrees that the economy needs to be stimulated but that he doesn't think the federal government should be doing it.

"Sure, we want more spending," Paul said. "We need a lot more spending in the economy, but it has to be done by market forces, by individuals, by businesses making proper decisions."
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1005 on: February 07, 2009, 10:13:17 PM »
Ron Paul kinda reminds me of the Heaven's Gate cult leader.
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« Reply #1006 on: February 07, 2009, 10:13:55 PM »
He reminds me of the Raelians.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1007 on: February 07, 2009, 10:17:12 PM »
He reminds me of the Raelians.

Raelians piss me off because by using that name they kinda piss all over The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, which is otherwise awesome.

This is Rael:



This is NOT Rael:

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1008 on: February 07, 2009, 10:26:14 PM »
Hey guys, I know, why don't we just do a little minor course correction on this here recession?  No reason to spend OMIGOD A TRILLYUN DOLLARS HYUCK HYUCK AMIRITE?



Oh.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1009 on: February 07, 2009, 10:30:58 PM »
Scare monger! *spends entire political career sowing fear and hatred*
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1010 on: February 07, 2009, 10:34:53 PM »
The Shrill One weighs in on the Senate compromise.

It's pretty short and does a pretty good job of outlining why this isn't gonna work too well. 
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1011 on: February 07, 2009, 11:05:31 PM »
Meh, most of the left must realize that what has been cut out can be added in at a later date. It's not like this year won't have a bonanza of bad news to present new opportunities to slip that stuff in.

In the end, we are only talking about a 10 percent cut here.



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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1012 on: February 07, 2009, 11:07:30 PM »
Isn't most of this stuff just going to be put into appropriations throughout the year?

also has Betray Us had his whine fest in public yet
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« Reply #1013 on: February 07, 2009, 11:09:32 PM »
Meh, most of the left must realize that what has been cut out can be added in at a later date. It's not like this year won't have a bonanza of bad news to present new opportunities to slip that stuff in.

In the end, we are only talking about a 10 percent cut here.

What's galling is that they cut the most ACTUALLY STIMULATIVE stuff (food stamps, unemployment benefits, aid to states, infrastructure) to make way for a stupid AMT cut that will disproportionately benefit the wealthiest.  And the guy who proposed the AMT cut (Grassley) will almost certainly not vote for the thing in the end.

Obama should have grown some balls and made them filibuster.  Lose a thousand on the dow in one day and see if these idiots are ready to pull their fucking heads out of the sand or not.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1014 on: February 07, 2009, 11:09:50 PM »

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1015 on: February 07, 2009, 11:14:25 PM »
Typical short sighted Republican thinking.
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« Reply #1016 on: February 07, 2009, 11:17:40 PM »
Respectfully, I believe everyone here completely missed it. Y'all have just seen the future of the Republican Party. She fucking nailed it.

It was important for the REPs to bring to light the lack of experience of Obama - PARTICULARLY because of how the DEMs (and the entire MSM) portrayed her lack of experience. Do y'all seriously think Obama's experience in any way compares to her's? If so, please please try to articulate it with any semblence of substance. His voting record is "present" and his "change driven" legislation leadership doesn't exit. The comment about his two memoirs with no actual bills or laws was utterly damning.

Palin made an incredible appeal to middle America. She did it with her small town commentary, about Obama saying one thing to Scranton and another to San Francisco. She did it by speaking to her husband's union membership and her motherhood. Seriously, if not Sarah Palin, who exactly could have achieved this for the REPs at this point?

Let's understand, they were floundering. They had no brand (deservedly). Somehow, with the selection of Palin, McCain has completely turned this election around.

Frankly, y'all couldn't be more wrong in your assessment.

Obama may still win. Hell, I have $200 on it with my cross burning brother. But, this was...transformative.

I am in love.

Touché.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1017 on: February 07, 2009, 11:20:28 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1018 on: February 08, 2009, 12:15:13 AM »
(Image removed from quote.)

Why isn't the 70's and 80's recession included in this chart? God, I hate liberals.




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« Reply #1019 on: February 08, 2009, 01:19:09 AM »
Probably because the recoveries before 1990 were a lot faster than the ones after, at least in terms of employment.

Remember the term "jobless recovery" became popular to describe what happened in the early 90's.  The same thing happened again in the early 00's.  Even as GDP growth went back to positive, there was a ton of slack in the labor market.

I've seen economists float the idea several times over the last 4-5 years that we may have moved into a different era in terms of what to expect from recessions.  Including the pre-1990 cycles would make this one look even more dire than that chart does.  I think I saw one on a blog a couple days ago...




edit:  Found it.


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