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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1020 on: February 08, 2009, 01:31:26 AM »
If Obama can just make it look like the illegals work is tied to manufacturing, like Bush did with fast food workers, then all should look fine on paper.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1021 on: February 08, 2009, 02:45:16 AM »
Ahh thanks for that Mandark. Interesting that each recovery has gotten progressively worse.

I found a link that lists all the job losses/gains for each month (going back to the depression era). It shows the percentage lost/gained versus the total jobs of that time. Gives you a bit of insight into the past and how bad things were at some points in time, since raw numbers can be deceiving when comparing eras.

A positive is actually a negative in this chart: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pRjgr4UnWRpA4b2Hh0Dq4Rw




Also, WTF about this?:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0209/Reporter_restrained_after_Panetta_hearing.html

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1022 on: February 08, 2009, 02:48:37 AM »
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« Reply #1023 on: February 08, 2009, 02:51:44 AM »

Also, WTF about this?:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0209/Reporter_restrained_after_Panetta_hearing.html


those comments are insanely hilarious "WELCOME TO THE CHICAGO SOCIALIST LABOR UNION PEOPLE'S ARMY!!! GOODBYE FREEDOMS AND HELLO TERROR ATTACKS!!"
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1024 on: February 08, 2009, 02:55:34 AM »
How do you people watch that shit? Is it necessary to have Rachel in a shadow box making silly faces while people talk? It's like the news equivalent of a laugh track for sitcoms.


Also, why does Rachel wear makeup? It's distracting.




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« Reply #1025 on: February 08, 2009, 03:04:39 AM »
i'm glad she could spell out just how stupid most republicans are on this issue for the folks at home, though!
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1026 on: February 08, 2009, 03:16:29 AM »
I'm sure the 2 million people out of 300 million Americans were educated.


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« Reply #1027 on: February 08, 2009, 03:36:06 AM »
no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

it's fine to worry about endgame inflation, but we have instruments for that. we're not too bad at managing inflation. we're clueless about deflation, and that's what we're risking without artificially GETTING POOR AND MIDDLE-CLASS FOLKS JOBS AND INCENTIVE TO SPEND.

i don't think either stimulus package is perfect -- or even particularly good -- but at LEAST they acknowledge that infrastructure spending is where we need to start. me, i want real public works and a commitment to infrastructure spending of the sort that would've been used to finance a world war back in the day. we can worry about inflation when the world comes a callin' -- and it will -- but at least that's something we have the tools for. tax cuts? no stimulus? that's just plain distinguished mentally-challenged.

as for your childish ideological disputes about the "nanny state"? the free market is a FAILURE. let it go. move onto acceptance. read real philosophies about society and sociology, not self-aggrandizing works of bad fiction. the reason we got where we are today is that we tried to pretend that economics were an objective science -- thanks, retardo austrians -- and not a study in macropsychology. people shit up every major endeavor, and a level of reliable behavior must be managed. you can be victimized by a democratic government that you have the option to directly participate in, or you can be victimized by a mercurial financial infrastructure that would gladly fleece you in the name of economic aristocracy. me, i'll take the lesser evil, because i'm an adult and recognize that most choices i make are about choosing lesser evils. but hey: go on, reject your responsibility in this, and hope for an economic unicorn!
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« Reply #1028 on: February 08, 2009, 03:45:31 AM »
i should add that if you're the undiscussed alternative to the above -- the "let rome burn" economic nihilist -- then, well, i am at least reassured that you'll never be allowed to manage money
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1029 on: February 08, 2009, 08:38:41 AM »
I want Ayn Rand to ride in on a Golden Unicorn and queef out some more objectivist nonsense out of her hoo hah.
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« Reply #1030 on: February 08, 2009, 09:09:53 AM »
Eh, whatever.

The Republicans are just signing their own death sentence with this stupidity.  2008 should have been a wake up call but the few that remain behind just aren't getting it.  Well, a few might but for the most part, the GOP is going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  People are going to see that, see their now worthless 401k (good bye retirement, hello working until you die), and see their dwindling savings, and then see the distinguished mentally-challenged alternatives the Republicans and fence sitting centrists are proposing.

I'm not sure why the GOP assumes that if this fails, the Democrats will pay.  If anything, it will cause more GOP hemorrhaging in the ranks until it is a solid supermajority.  They're shooting themselves in the foot with this bullshit.  Their best plan is to work together and create the image of being past bipartisan sentiments, which most people are sick and tired of.  If not, well, they'll be leaving from Congress en masse in 2010.  Dumbasses.

I don't think the stimulus is a miracle package but it is a shot in the arm to do a lot of much needed infrastructure building that has been crumbling or remained stagnant since Reagan walked into office. 
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« Reply #1031 on: February 08, 2009, 11:10:29 AM »
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no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

meeeeee!  i really don't see why infrastructure spending should be favored over tax cuts if by "tax cuts" we mean stuff like EITC and "tax rebate" demogrants.  infrastructure (and education etc.) spending is fine if it's something actually worthwhile in itself, but if we're just spending money to give people money, better just give them money rather than wasting their time at some make-work job (which I'm not saying the stimulus programs are, but under the logic of some of the "it doesn't matter what we buy as long as we buy stuff" commentators I've seen they could just as well be).

you folks are trying to make the dispute over Keynesian economics out to be fake, like the global warming "controversy", but as far as I can tell it's pretty different.  expert opinion appears genuinely split, empirical evidence is inconclusive, theoretical justifications are (on the surface) dubious.

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i should add that if you're the undiscussed alternative to the above -- the "let rome burn" economic nihilist -- then, well, i am at least reassured that you'll never be allowed to manage money

i think people most vulnerable to risk from economic collapse and least equipped to manage it, i.e. the working class, should be protected from the effects.  but, instead of trying to help them indirectly by propping up unsustainably bloated parts of the economy (auto, real estate, finance) on the front end, inviting waste and corruption, couldn't we let those sectors adjust, and relieve people caught in the crossfire as it were directly (through expanded unemployment, jobs programs directed at worthwhile goals, education and training etc.) instead?
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1032 on: February 08, 2009, 11:16:53 AM »
My question about california remains unanswered. If governemnt pending stimulates the economy then why is the great liberal motherland, california, going bankrupt in a matter of weeks?

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« Reply #1033 on: February 08, 2009, 11:39:04 AM »
Yeah...that post was way before she had to give an interview. Had no idea she was such an idiot - at least thought she could sound competant. Not one of my better posts, but I will fully admit that for that particular night she blew me away. I basically abandoned her shortly after the Gibson debacle. Such a disappointment.  :-\

If she's the nominee in '12, then I'll vote 3rd party again like I did this year.

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« Reply #1034 on: February 08, 2009, 11:43:34 AM »
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« Reply #1035 on: February 08, 2009, 11:54:04 AM »
For some reason the $780B number didn't include a couple ammendments that already passed in seperate votes. So, the real total is $827B.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1036 on: February 08, 2009, 11:58:47 AM »
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My first cut says that the changes to the Senate bill will ensure that we have at least 600,000 fewer Americans employed over the next two years.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/what-the-centrists-have-wrought/

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« Reply #1037 on: February 08, 2009, 12:02:04 PM »

i think people most vulnerable to risk from economic collapse and least equipped to manage it, i.e. the working class, should be protected from the effects.  but, instead of trying to help them indirectly by propping up unsustainably bloated parts of the economy (auto, real estate, finance) on the front end, inviting waste and corruption, couldn't we let those sectors adjust, and relieve people caught in the crossfire as it were directly (through expanded unemployment, jobs programs directed at worthwhile goals, education and training etc.) instead?

sounds like a keynesian stimulus to me!
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« Reply #1038 on: February 08, 2009, 12:05:09 PM »
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Add her to the list of people who will be completely fucking owned in two years.
Ahhh the big GOP comeback of 2010 eh? Near impossible. GOP is defending a lot more seats and they have multiple retirements, in purple states no less.

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« Reply #1039 on: February 08, 2009, 12:11:13 PM »
Besides the partisan sniping, I like Krugman. He's probably right here that there is too much focus on taxes. But, that was completely Obama's fault when he offered them in a bipartisan plea at the outset.

Krugman explains the problem in easy terms - there's a ~$2 trillion demand gap over the next two years. But, he ignores the fact that the demand gap is fake (as much of the growth the last few years). Its based on massive amounts of debt that is now coming due. So, he wants the government to step up to the plate to fill that fake gap with more debt. Insanity...which is why Congress did it.


Cheebs: I have no illusions over a GOP comeback in '10. The numbers are just too insurmountable in one cycle. Doesn't mean that Maddow won't look like a fool in two years though.
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« Reply #1040 on: February 08, 2009, 12:21:56 PM »
My question about california remains unanswered. If governemnt pending stimulates the economy then why is the great liberal motherland, california, going bankrupt in a matter of weeks?

because your question is stupid and doesn't acknowledge CONTEXT. california doesn't manage its own currency, for starters; it's not an independent nation. it doesn't have a fed equivalent. it can't hedge its future by printing debt specific to the state of california, grinning madly at the rest of the united states, and hoping that it can manage potential inflation after the fact by shuffling the numbers around.

and nobody is arguing that government shouldn't be fiscally prudent when times are good -- THAT'S KEYNESIANISM. california SHOULD have saved during the salad days so it could spend when shit hit the fan. but it had recalibrated its spending up to match its debt-inflated income when times seemed good -- thanks schwarzenegger, you're a fine less-tax-and-lotta-spend republican in the mold of reagan and junior -- and was slammed when the nationwide (and global) financial industries discovered they were built on a foundation of toxic securities manure. after all, california financed a lot of its payroll off investments and loans. ouch! hey, who likes privatization, again?

your shitwit goal is to scream LOL SPENDING IS BAD TOLD YA and that's not even the argument. even your great white bugbear, john maynard keynes, thought that governments should be restrained in their spending practices during a boom, and use that as a time to eradicate deficits and shore up for the next bust. hey, we blew a trillion plus that might just save our own asses right now because dick cheney and the rest of you nasally paranoiacs fouled your panties over some angry brownskins half a world away. yes, califorrnia was irresponsible, but california also isn't a nation.
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« Reply #1041 on: February 08, 2009, 12:25:25 PM »
California also has an actor governor.  Just sayin'.

And I can't see how Maddow could be owned, considering she's dead motherfucking on.  Seriously, you're BLIND if you watch that clip, see McCain's segment, and think "Yeah!  McCain is dead-on!"
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« Reply #1042 on: February 08, 2009, 12:27:45 PM »
Besides the partisan sniping, I like Krugman. He's probably right here that there is too much focus on taxes. But, that was completely Obama's fault when he offered them in a bipartisan plea at the outset.

Krugman explains the problem in easy terms - there's a ~$2 trillion demand gap over the next two years. But, he ignores the fact that the demand gap is fake (as much of the growth the last few years). Its based on massive amounts of debt that is now coming due. So, he wants the government to step up to the plate to fill that fake gap with more debt. Insanity...which is why Congress did it.


Cheebs: I have no illusions over a GOP comeback in '10. The numbers are just too insurmountable in one cycle. Doesn't mean that Maddow won't look like a fool in two years though.

the presence (or lack thereof) of a demand gap is irrelevant to the purpose of the stimulus. do you think krugman isn't aware of this? this is a two pronged problem, and congress can only fix one: rising unemployment. the massive seabed of toxic debt has to be handled through the fed and the executive office, first. worst of all, they hafta be largely done in parallel -- the stimulus to get americans to spend, and the securities buy-up to make credit move.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1043 on: February 08, 2009, 12:43:49 PM »
no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

I believe the bill had both endeavors and one was favored over the other. I understand your vitriol for the Republicans since they are such a visible target, but listening to Meet the Press today, it sounds like the centrists are equally to blame. Blue Dogs wanted to make sure that the stimulus was full of short term spending and omitted many things that could perpetuate our debt even further into the future.

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i don't think either stimulus package is perfect -- or even particularly good -- but at LEAST they acknowledge that infrastructure spending is where we need to start. me, i want real public works and a commitment to infrastructure spending of the sort that would've been used to finance a world war back in the day.

I definitely agree here. I thought it was embarrassing that a bill that was almost 1 trillion dollars only had 30 billion set aside for roads/bridges/etc.   

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as for your childish ideological disputes about the "nanny state"? the free market is a FAILURE. let it go. move onto acceptance. read real philosophies about society and sociology, not self-aggrandizing works of bad fiction. the reason we got where we are today is that we tried to pretend that economics were an objective science -- thanks, retardo austrians -- and not a study in macropsychology. people shit up every major endeavor, and a level of reliable behavior must be managed. you can be victimized by a democratic government that you have the option to directly participate in, or you can be victimized by a mercurial financial infrastructure that would gladly fleece you in the name of economic aristocracy. me, i'll take the lesser evil, because i'm an adult and recognize that most choices i make are about choosing lesser evils. but hey: go on, reject your responsibility in this, and hope for an economic unicorn!

Our "free market" isn't so free. This isn't 1910 where the tax rate was virtually nil and oversight was non-existent. Our economy and lives are more regulated than they ever have been. The failure was in our elected officials who allow these bubbles to occur and do not use their powers to temper these conditions. You can speculate why that happens (ignorance, profiteering, corruption), but then to turn around and trust the same people to create this Socialistic utopia is even more insane.

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« Reply #1044 on: February 08, 2009, 12:45:28 PM »
financial deregulation happened on your boy greenspan's watch! COINKY-DINK?

and since when have i pined for a utopia? i don't especially trust the democrats to lead me into my socialist pomised land; hell, i just want to get back to "normal" unemployment levels!
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« Reply #1045 on: February 08, 2009, 12:55:19 PM »
the presence (or lack thereof) of a demand gap is irrelevant to the purpose of the stimulus.

I don't understand what you mean there.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1046 on: February 08, 2009, 12:57:08 PM »
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?
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« Reply #1047 on: February 08, 2009, 12:59:19 PM »
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?

Why are you being unpatriotic?

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« Reply #1048 on: February 08, 2009, 01:13:32 PM »
the presence (or lack thereof) of a demand gap is irrelevant to the purpose of the stimulus.

I don't understand what you mean there.

oops, my bad, got my arguments crossed when posting on the nyt comments page. d'oh. it's not irrelevant.


specifically, krugman wants to fill that gap because the alternative -- allowing that that fake wealth to get RAPIDLY compressed out of existence -- is far more disastrous in the short term than dealing with the inflationary risk, because for all of its "fakeness" that wealth is what many businesses and lives are built upon. buying up the really bad chunk of this debt and shaking it down for what we can get through a bank of last resort is the only viable option floated thus far. letting it crash simply isn't, because the consequences are DUH rampant deflation, which we lack the instruments to properly manage and which will lead to us ALL po'bucking it up in our urban shanty towns. inflation is a shell game we know how to play. we can slowly and systematically crush that debt if its off the books of banks and in the hands of the feds; presuming, of course, that geithner isn't totally distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1049 on: February 08, 2009, 01:26:10 PM »
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?

Wrong

Besides if people want manufacturing jobs to stay here in the US, you're going to want more money spent for transportation infrastructure instead of more white collar work.  As far as I'm concerned at this point, preserving blue collar jobs >>>>>>> white collar jobs.
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« Reply #1050 on: February 08, 2009, 06:51:17 PM »
I agree but judging by the last few months of massive layoffs, white collar workers don't agree with you.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1051 on: February 08, 2009, 07:27:37 PM »
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?

Strictly speaking it's not- I believe food stamps/unemployment gives you about $1.70ish for every dollar spent and infrastructure spending gives you about $1.50 for every dollar.  Compare that to tax cuts at basically a 1:1 ratio.

However, you have to take into account that you can only spend so much on food stamps/unemployment... of course, neither the House or Senate bill probably has enough, but there you go.  Also, with the infrastructure spending you have to factor in that: 

A) Due to the fact that beginning with Reagan we stopped performing regularly scheduled maintenance on roads, bridges, levees etc our infrastructure is in absolutely shameful shape.  I believe overall the corps of engineers rated it a D.  So this won't be all bridges to no where; this shit is needed.

B) Spending the money on tangible shit gives you benefits over the long term.
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« Reply #1052 on: February 08, 2009, 07:31:10 PM »
the trouble is, as i pointed out on your facebook, is that the republican chunk of the senate is from flyover country -- the TAKER states. they don't have urban centers where this stimulus will directly benefit them as much, and they've done an absolutely bang-up job of gutting the proposals that would really help renew and grow urban centers, especially when it comes to education.
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« Reply #1053 on: February 08, 2009, 07:52:34 PM »
We should get rid of the Senate.  They're about as useful as the House of Lords these days anyhow.
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« Reply #1054 on: February 08, 2009, 07:57:44 PM »
We should get rid of the Senate.  They're about as useful as the House of Lords these days anyhow.

We should also set the midwest on fire.
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« Reply #1055 on: February 08, 2009, 08:01:21 PM »
and pave it over for the world's largest monster truck rally :hyper
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« Reply #1056 on: February 08, 2009, 08:04:43 PM »
inflation is a shell game we know how to play. we can slowly and systematically crush that debt if its off the books of banks and in the hands of the feds; presuming, of course, that geithner isn't totally distinguished mentally-challenged.


I think you're probably right here in that this is ultimately how they plan on reining in our debt.

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« Reply #1057 on: February 08, 2009, 08:09:25 PM »
and i'll certainly allow that a very, very large level of skepticism is warranted. but we gotta TRY, and until republicans get real about that, their obstructionism is worse than even the worst democratic pork.
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« Reply #1058 on: February 08, 2009, 08:16:50 PM »
"obstructionism" that was geared towards actually ensuring the programs funded are solid investments and not patronage junk would be nice, instead we get obstructionism aimed at adding complete bullshit like the house credit
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« Reply #1059 on: February 08, 2009, 08:17:30 PM »
It was the American Society of Civil Engineers that gave the roads a D.

I agree but judging by the last few months of massive layoffs, white collar workers don't agree with you.

Perhaps but the country did that at the expense of outsourcing those kinds of jobs to the Chinese, among others.  Transportation infrastructure is not the end all be all, but it will preserve a lot of working class jobs that should be coming back to the US anyway.  Best of all, the resources can all be had right within the country.  Limestone, steel, various bituminous mixtures, etc. can all be mined, produced, manufactured, and/or distributed here in the US.

On the other hand, neglecting that kind of industry for more office jobs will ensure that we have massive trade deficits for quite a while.  Infrastructure spending is one of the better opportunities to reverse the shrinking middle class and marginalization of the working classes.
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« Reply #1060 on: February 08, 2009, 08:18:22 PM »
that's not obstructionism. obstructionism isn't asking for justification and offering viable proposals that uphold the thrust of the stimulus; obstructionism is tossing out empty alternatives that are demonstrably shallow and often completely unviable.
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« Reply #1061 on: February 08, 2009, 08:19:52 PM »
hence "\"obstructionism\""
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« Reply #1062 on: February 08, 2009, 08:21:14 PM »
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« Reply #1063 on: February 08, 2009, 09:58:23 PM »
YAAAAAAAAAAARRGH.

I'm about to beat some people I went to HS with to death over the internets; one of them is being snarky about how "oh gosh it's great that we're gonna spend money we don't have to fix an economy that went into the crapper because consumers were spending money they didn't have hyuck hyuck" and then his sister chimed in with "oh don't worry, it didn't work in the New Deal haha stoopid FDR, WWII is what saved us but since Obama is hopelessly clueless about diplomacy we'll probably end up in a turrible war with some brownskins somewheres hyuck hyuck"...

Of course these people are from Texas and Georgia, but STILL.  Get their genes outta my pool!
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« Reply #1064 on: February 08, 2009, 10:33:40 PM »
YAAAAAAAAAAARRGH.

I'm about to beat some people I went to HS with to death over the internets; one of them is being snarky about how "oh gosh it's great that we're gonna spend money we don't have to fix an economy that went into the crapper because consumers were spending money they didn't have hyuck hyuck" and then his sister chimed in with "oh don't worry, it didn't work in the New Deal haha stoopid FDR, WWII is what saved us but since Obama is hopelessly clueless about diplomacy we'll probably end up in a turrible war with some brownskins somewheres hyuck hyuck"...

Of course these people are from Texas and Georgia, but STILL.  Get their genes outta my pool!

we really have to find out a way to convert people into synthetic fossil fuels. it can't be that hard, can it?
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1065 on: February 08, 2009, 10:44:38 PM »
I had a dream the other night that somehow scientists discovered that baby Panda blood was the most fuel efficient substance known to man.  Just one syringe full diluted into your whole gas tank filled with water would run your car for a week or two... the dream descended into a hellish future of forced panda breeding and debates over whether it was more ethical to just bleed them to death or keep them on a steady drip so as to prolong their usefulness.  This is a future I want to live in, I knew.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1066 on: February 08, 2009, 10:47:44 PM »
"oh don't worry, it didn't work in the New Deal haha stoopid FDR, WWII is what saved us

"We weren't saved by huge public works, bureaucracy, government jobs, and spending, we were saved by... exponentially bigger public works, even more bureaucracy, more government jobs, and incredible amounts of spending."
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1067 on: February 08, 2009, 11:49:10 PM »
Did Beardo ever explain that Perot comment

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1068 on: February 09, 2009, 01:26:38 AM »
I'm downloading 2 gigs of leaked government reports. I don't know why.

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February 8, 2009

EDITORIAL

Change you can download.
Wikileaks has released nearly a billion dollars worth of quasi-secret reports commissioned by the United States Congress.

The 6,780 reports, current as of this month, comprise over 127,000 pages of material on some of the most contentious issues in the nation, from the U.S. relationship with Israel to the financial collapse. Nearly 2,300 of the reports were updated in the last 12 months, while the oldest report goes back to 1990. The release represents the total output of the Congressional Research Service (CRS) electronically available to Congressional offices. The CRS is Congress's analytical agency and has a budget in excess of $100M per year.

Open government lawmakers such as Senators John McCain (R-Arizona) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vermont) have fought for years to make the reports public, with bills being introduced--and rejected--almost every year since 1998. The CRS, as a branch of Congress, is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.

CRS reports are highly regarded as non-partisan, in-depth, and timely. The reports top the list of the "10 Most-Wanted Government Documents" compiled by the Washington based Center for Democracy and Technology[1]. The Federation of American Scientists, in pushing for the reports to be made public, stated that the "CRS is Congress' Brain and it's useful for the public to be plugged into it,"[2]. While Wired magazine called their concealment "The biggest Congressional scandal of the digital age"[3

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4713076

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1069 on: February 09, 2009, 12:37:04 PM »
Is flying Indiana to receive some rock hero worship really going to help this stimulus plan pass?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1070 on: February 09, 2009, 12:46:43 PM »
Is flying Indiana to receive some rock hero worship really going to help this stimulus plan pass?

Nope...but its definately gonna provide for some awesome ad material in the next election.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1071 on: February 09, 2009, 12:55:46 PM »
It's not like he hasn't tried to talk to Congress about it.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1072 on: February 09, 2009, 01:14:20 PM »
Is flying Indiana to receive some rock hero worship really going to help this stimulus plan pass?

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because he's selling the stimulus on a state level, making people understand just what type of local aide the republicans want to take out of the bill?
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1073 on: February 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM »
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1074 on: February 09, 2009, 01:33:18 PM »
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

Sounds like a disaster.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1075 on: February 09, 2009, 01:33:44 PM »
because he's selling the stimulus on a state level, making people understand just what type of local aide the republicans want to take out of the bill?

Ohhh .. I see now. Indiana just wasn't a convienent place to land the jet. Pretty clever.


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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1076 on: February 09, 2009, 01:35:08 PM »
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

Jeff Bezos was too busy?


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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1077 on: February 09, 2009, 01:47:00 PM »
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

Jeff Bezos was too busy?



I dunno, DJ_Tet would be the best to judge, seeing as how he has actually conversed with the man.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1078 on: February 09, 2009, 02:11:01 PM »
Fucking hilarious. Obama is teflon when it comes to the stimulus problems, most of the blame falls on the GOP.  :lol


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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1079 on: February 09, 2009, 02:13:38 PM »
Why isn't the 70's and 80's recession included in this chart? God, I hate liberals.
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