Author Topic: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics (Read 1870838 times)

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #2340 on:** March 07, 2009, 07:58:35 PM »

America, where not everyone is covered, spends about twice as much per-capita on health care than Canada, where everyone receives coverage.* I don't think American health care is twice as good. There are no objective health figures that would suggest that.

*there are, obviously, many variables at play.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2341 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:58:15 PM

Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 07, 2009, 07:57:04 PM
Sez you. If a large enough group of people with guns say blowjobs are a right, then blowjobs will be a right.

sigh

Ok, property isn't a right. Cause supposedly pursuing happiness is a right, but I can't do that so well if I'm dying.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #2342 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:01:53 PM »

Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:55:49 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 07:53:07 PM
Oh do tell.

When has price setting been a long term viable strategy.

Point 1 - You really are just throwing out catchphrases you've heard on FoxNews and sound dumb doing it.

Point 2 - As far as "long term viable strategy", other major industrialized countries with some form of national health care have an acceptable projection for healthcare costs going into the future, while the US is heading for a health-care meltdown. So how's that for "long term viable strategy"?

Mandark · « **Reply #2343 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:03:18 PM »

Quote from: Some dirty fucking socialist

Great speakers, panels, walks on the beach, etc. Anyway, we had some small discussion group about De Tocqueville, and someone (naturally) brought up France's high taxes and thick welfare state. "Well, the thing is," Emmanuelle said (quotes are inexact), "some of the things the French state provides are pretty good. For instance health care."

"Wait a minute wait a minute," one guy said. "If you were sick -- I mean, really sick -- where would you rather be? France or the U.S.?"

"Um, France," we both said.

Various sputtering ensued. What about the terrible waiting lists? (There really aren't any.) The shoddy quality? (It's actually quite good.) Finally, to deflect the conversation away, I said "Look, if we made twice as much money, we'd probably prefer American health care for a severe crisis. But we don't, so we don't."

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recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #2344 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:30:07 PM »

man, I can't wait to make a bizillion dollars so I can finally go back to college. and get good health insurance. and visit france.

Mandark · « **Reply #2345 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:51:45 PM »

Anyway, on the healthcare/bankruptcy thing. I followed the academic spat a bit in real-time, and it wasn't the ZOMG PWNT debunking that it's presented as.

Basically the Harvard study produced a range (40-something to 50-something percent) of the bankruptcies for which health expenditures are a major factor. Dranove looked at their data, came up with a different way to define the causation, and wound up with a lower number.

Thing is, Dranove's method was really, really narrow. IIRC he only counted people who were hit by provider costs. So he left out anyone who went bankrupt while paying tons for medication. As well as more indirect causes, like losing income because of illness (or having to provide care for a sick loved one), or exorbitant credit card fees stacked on to the original medical costs.

Both sides seemed to have an ideological dog in the fight, but I don't think anyone was rabid enough to be immediately dismissed, fwiw.

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #2346 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:50:58 PM »

Obama "overwhelmed".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html

Its his first real job. Cut him some slack.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #2347 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:53:24 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:50:58 PM

Obama "overwhelmed".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html

Its his first real job. Cut him some slack.

You're such a silly bitch.

Mandark · « **Reply #2348 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:54:01 PM »

Telegraph lolz

[youtube=560,345]DGscoaUWW2M[/youtube]

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #2349 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:54:46 PM »

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #2350 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:56:31 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:54:46 PM

Is that a .gif of the fiddlin' you conservatwats did for 8 years while America burned? Could use more swarminess.

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #2351 on:** March 07, 2009, 09:58:03 PM »

You're so cute when you're angry.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #2352 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:00:49 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:58:03 PM

You're so cute when you're angry.

Actually I don't mind shitty comments like this, it allows me to file you under dumb troll turd instead of someone who has to be taken seriously.

Thanks for saving me the work!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2353 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:01:49 PM »

I wouldn't believe anything they say about US politics. I'm still baffled as to why they're obsessing over every perceived diss Obama aims their way.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2354 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:26:11 PM »

Obama most had more accomplishments in his 8 years state senator in Ill. than any of us ever did in a work enviroment so it was indeed a low blow ds.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2355 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:27:17 PM »

er...most likely

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #2356 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Mamacint on March 07, 2009, 09:53:24 PM

You're such a silly bitch.

This guy needs to be taken seriously. Seriously...

Mandark · « **Reply #2357 on:** March 07, 2009, 11:02:31 PM »

sd, I'm sure you can find a more productive manner of posting than begging for abuse and whining when it comes.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #2358 on:** March 07, 2009, 11:05:33 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 10:56:46 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on March 07, 2009, 09:53:24 PM
You're such a silly bitch.

This guy needs to be taken seriously. Seriously...

You really are a silly bitch.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2359 on:** March 07, 2009, 11:06:30 PM »

I remember when sd said he'd vote for obama over mccain cause he likes obama's health care plan. :'(

Mandark · « **Reply #2360 on:** March 07, 2009, 11:53:30 PM »

[youtube=560,345]aMOtNL8mie8[/youtube]

Back on topic, Krugman explains why the projected deficits aren't pushing interest rates up, and elaborates with charts and stuff. I kinda sorta made the same point in January, so +10 self-congratulatory points to me.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #2361 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:38:33 AM »

Every Krugman clip makes me want to make an O face.

Having him be the only correct one on every single discussion board always hurts. The other other fucks can be financial analysts that have sat through near financial Armageddon while not wishing to say boo only to have events outpace them but somehow have their opinions taken seriously.

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #2362 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:32:20 AM »

Damn...I thought you meant Krugs was on this week.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2363 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:22:56 PM »

Quote from: Mamacint on March 08, 2009, 03:38:33 AM

Every Krugman clip makes me want to make an O face.

He makes you O-face because he's liberal and his economic policies support your ideology.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2364 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:29:45 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 01:22:56 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on March 08, 2009, 03:38:33 AM
Every Krugman clip makes me want to make an O face.

He makes you O-face because he's liberal and his economic policies support your ideology.

How many nobel peace prizes have you or your fuckbuddy Doc Paul won?

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2365 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:59:41 PM »

A noble prize in economics is worthless. I forgot who said it but I remember hearing that economics is the only noble prize where two people with completly opposite theories can both win (in the same year?).

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2366 on:** March 08, 2009, 02:02:41 PM »

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Krugman has written in opposition to increasing farm subsidies,[42] ethanol mandates and subsidies/tax breaks,[43] manned NASA space flights,[44] and has written against some aspects of European labor market regulation.

Whaaaa!?? That's just absurd. rabble rabble rabble.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2367 on:** March 08, 2009, 02:04:23 PM »

Quote

Krugman was one of many economists to serve as a consultant for an advisory board for Enron; he did this in 1999

Choo Choo, all aboard the fail train.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #2368 on:** March 08, 2009, 02:08:49 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 02:04:23 PM

Quote
Krugman was one of many economists to serve as a consultant for an advisory board for Enron; he did this in 1999

Choo Choo, all aboard the fail train.

all aboard!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2369 on:** March 08, 2009, 03:32:54 PM »

FoC's brain exploded

Cheebs · « **Reply #2370 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:05:15 PM »

They changed his post count to some dumb little saying to make fun of him about ron paul or whatever iirc and he complained constantly so they changed it back but gave him insanely high post count.

Crushed · « **Reply #2371 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:45:09 PM »

Possible saviors of the Republican party:

1. Former beauty queen
2. Unlicensed plumber
3. Obese, racist, and drug addicted talk radio host
4. A 14-year-old boy

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2372 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:48:43 PM »

None of those will save the republican party.

If Ron Paul was younger I think he would have a really good chance at the 2012 nomination.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2373 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:51:13 PM »

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2374 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:52:39 PM »

Quote from: Crushed on March 08, 2009, 06:45:09 PM

Possible saviors of the Republican party:

1. Former beauty queen
2. Unlicensed plumber
3. Obese, racist, and drug addicted talk radio host
4. A 14-year-old boy

That kid sounds awesome. lol

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2375 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:54:34 PM »

Quote from: T EXP on March 08, 2009, 06:51:13 PM

lol

I don't know, Paul's message resonates with a lot of people; a younger more charismatic Paul could be formidable. I still doubt the party itself would allow someone as extreme as Paul to win. Threatening to get rid of the Federal Reserve doesn't bode well for the health of presidents

Mandark · « **Reply #2376 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:09:45 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 06:48:43 PM

None of those will save the republican party.

If Ron Paul was younger I think he would have a really good chance at the 2012 nomination.

wat

demi · « **Reply #2377 on:** March 09, 2009, 08:47:34 AM »

Quote from: Spencer on March 08, 2009, 11:41:21 PM

Is this thread going to last 4 (or 8 ) years?

Requesting sticky?

tiesto · « **Reply #2378 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:18:27 AM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 06:52:39 PM

Quote from: Crushed on March 08, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Possible saviors of the Republican party:

1. Former beauty queen
2. Unlicensed plumber
3. Obese, racist, and drug addicted talk radio host
4. A 14-year-old boy

That kid sounds awesome. lol

Quote

Jonathan, a slight, home-schooled only child whose teeth are in braces, is so passionate about his beliefs that he spent his summer writing “Define Conservatism,” an 86-page book outlining what he says are its core values.

PD???

Cheebs · « **Reply #2379 on:** March 09, 2009, 10:29:41 AM »

If that kid went to a real school he wouldn't last a day without being beat up

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #2380 on:** March 09, 2009, 11:03:13 AM »

SEND HIM TO HIS DEATH

demi · « **Reply #2381 on:** March 09, 2009, 11:03:39 AM »

He sounds like PD

Brehvolution · « **Reply #2382 on:** March 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM »

I thought I read somewhere that he is just a child actor.

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #2383 on:** March 09, 2009, 03:05:39 PM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM

I thought I read somewhere that he is just a child actor.

he is, which makes him doubly rare. That's the real story, everybody else in showbiz is a pinko commie exceptin this kid.

Rman · « **Reply #2384 on:** March 09, 2009, 03:31:25 PM »

LOL @ this pic of the 14 year old wizard.

tiesto · « **Reply #2385 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:29:53 PM »

Quote from: Rman on March 09, 2009, 03:31:25 PM

LOL @ this pic of the 14 year old wizard.

(Image removed from quote.)

Someone just needs to photochop him with the

smile

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2386 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:45:02 PM »

demi · « **Reply #2387 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:46:45 PM »

You're doing it wrong

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2388 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:48:34 PM »

of course I am

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #2389 on:** March 09, 2009, 05:14:05 PM »

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 09, 2009, 03:05:39 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
I thought I read somewhere that he is just a child actor.
he is, which makes him doubly rare. That's the real story, everybody else in showbiz is a pinko commie exceptin this kid.

There are some nut crazy conservatives in showbiz as well. It's a very polarized place, what there are very few of is politcally aware moderates.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2390 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:37:52 PM »

Howard Dean just joined "lobbying mega-firm McKenna Long & Aldridge".

Dean is now a lobbyist. $:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2391 on:** March 09, 2009, 07:45:28 PM »

Obama has forced him into a life of money grubbing villainy. Sort of like that dude in the Incredibles

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2392 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:04:00 PM »

amity shlaes: destroyed. (http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=82c53220-7594-4ece-a136-a3b2f54243ec). foc and beardo found sobbing in a boxcar as welfare moms horde government gold and defecate on the constitution.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2393 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:07:46 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on March 09, 2009, 09:04:00 PM

amity shlaes: destroyed. (http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=82c53220-7594-4ece-a136-a3b2f54243ec). foc and beardo found sobbing in a boxcar as welfare moms horde government gold and defecate on the constitution.

Why did none of Bush's spending help us tide the economic crash? After all he spent more in his 8 terms than anyone before him.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2394 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:11:19 PM »

seriously?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2395 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:24:31 PM »

because SPENDING unto itself isn't a solution; it's WHAT YOU SPEND IT ON. if your household is starving, buying a car won't feed the kids. when your country's economy is collapsing, throwing money into construction in another one won't give the locals jobs.

...

dipshit.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2396 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:26:22 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on March 09, 2009, 09:24:31 PM

because SPENDING unto itself isn't a solution; it's WHAT YOU SPEND IT ON. if your household is starving, buying a car won't feed the kids. when your country's economy is collapsing, throwing money into construction in another one won't give the locals jobs.

...

dipshit.

I heard that the only thing bush spent money on was the war in Iraq. Im a liberal and distinguished mentally-challenged dur dur dur

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2397 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:28:06 PM »

Also lets pretend he did spend all the money in Iraq lets see who is getting paid.

Soldiers and Contract Companies who for the majority are american companies.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2398 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:29:08 PM »

Im a liberal and I want to lose weight, Im gonna go gorge on twinkies cause its clearly a better solution than not eating.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2399 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:30:28 PM »

who buy materials in iraq and employ iraqi workers and build iraqi schools and bridges and power plants and infrastructure and create jobs to hand over to the iraqi people when they aren't blowing them up

and yes, bush did run up 2 trillion in iraq alone\

...

dipshit.

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