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« Reply #2820 on: March 22, 2009, 11:32:53 AM »
Actually, all of Geithner's potential deputies have had to withdraw.  It's not clear why.  One thing I do know is that none of them had the kind of resume that would lead me to think that they'd be likely to have a different viewpoint on this shit.

However, the GOP *HAS* been holding up some appointments for no apparent reason- Austan Goolsbee comes to mind off the top of my head.  He finally just got appointed.
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« Reply #2821 on: March 22, 2009, 11:41:55 AM »
What happened to Paul Volcker? After the election Obama always had Volcker, Summers, and Geithner pretty much as equals as his economic trio. Did Summers and Geithner push Volker out? He seemed to have disappeared.

It's weird that Carter's guy got pushed out seeing how Jimmy Carter himself seems to be in the inner circle unlike Bill Clinton (Obama has had at least 4 lengthy meetings with Carter about foreign policy since being sworn in, and Carter was in the White House while Obama was off in California having meeting with Jim Jones. None with Clinton as far as I have seen).

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« Reply #2822 on: March 22, 2009, 12:19:11 PM »
Actually, all of Geithner's potential deputies have had to withdraw. 

Yeah, that what I thought. There are appearently 17 other positions in the department and he only has nominated one or two and they withdrew.

Brokaw just said on MTP that he has heard from people on Wall Street who may be pretty qualified for the jobs and somewhat interested. But, they don't want to subject themselves to what the administration has told them could be a four month vetting process.

And that's why you don't nominate a tax cheat at the outset.
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« Reply #2823 on: March 22, 2009, 11:39:21 PM »
Did anyone catch Obama on 60 minutes?

He basically said that he could accept that an investment banker would make 20 times as much as a teacher. But not 200 times as much.
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« Reply #2824 on: March 23, 2009, 12:06:37 AM »
The media got a hold of that distinguished mentally-challenged kid who bowled a perfect 300 in the special olympics. He thinks Obama is cool. Republican faux-outrage annihilated.

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« Reply #2825 on: March 23, 2009, 12:10:06 AM »
I'm of two minds

I really wasn't bothered by it, but part of the job description of being POTUS is to not publicly say stupid shit, so if he does, a little wrap on the knuckles is appropriate.

So much of this outrage is clearly Faux-outrage though.
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« Reply #2826 on: March 23, 2009, 12:13:50 AM »
He isn't perfect.

Like in the CBS 60 Minutes interview the 60 Minutes guy asked Obama if he was punch-drunk because Obama was being kinda giggly.

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« Reply #2827 on: March 23, 2009, 12:17:52 AM »
Oh I agree, most that are really getting the vapors over this are those that were frustrated over Obama's communication abilities and now that he had a relatively minor gaffe, they think they smell blood and are pouncing on it.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2828 on: March 23, 2009, 02:14:50 AM »
I bowled a 125 earlier today  :lol
(on a side note, I'm still coughing due to the smoke in that damn close. good lord)

Also:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy

Obama's gonna make our debt worthless  :'(
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« Reply #2829 on: March 23, 2009, 03:39:30 AM »
The USA is headed for the addition VAT/GST of some sort in the (not so long) term, IMO. My beef is that people actually want some value for their tax dollars-better schools, roads, health care, etc. and not a worthless "war on terror".
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« Reply #2830 on: March 23, 2009, 04:06:10 AM »
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"It would double the public debt in 5 years, triple it in 10 years. ... That is not sustainable. It poses a threat to the basic health of our economy," Collins said.

You're right Collins, that's why there will be more tax hikes the next few years to pay for it all. That's what you should be talking about instead.





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« Reply #2831 on: March 23, 2009, 09:26:41 AM »
The USA is headed for the addition VAT/GST of some sort in the (not so long) term, IMO. My beef is that people actually want some value for their tax dollars-better schools, roads, health care, etc. and not a worthless "war on terror".

Maybe, but there's a lot of low hanging fruit in the tax system that can be picked before we need a regressive consumption tax.
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« Reply #2833 on: March 23, 2009, 01:07:13 PM »
wonderful.

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« Reply #2834 on: March 23, 2009, 01:17:33 PM »
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/1
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In essence, Paulson used the bailout to transform the government into a giant bureaucracy of entitled assholedom

Interesting article if you're like me and have absolutely no idea how any of this happened.  It's amazing how unregulated AIG was.

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« Reply #2835 on: March 23, 2009, 01:53:27 PM »
Someone expain the VAT within the context of tax cuts for 95% of Americans.

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« Reply #2836 on: March 23, 2009, 02:08:50 PM »
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None other than disgraced senator Ted Stevens was the poor sap who made the unpleasant discovery that if Congress didn't like the Fed handing trillions of dollars to banks without any oversight, Congress could apparently go fuck itself — or so said the law. When Stevens asked the GAO about what authority Congress has to monitor the Fed, he got back a letter citing an obscure statute that nobody had ever heard of before: the Accounting and Auditing Act of 1950. The relevant section, 31 USC 714(b), dictated that congressional audits of the Federal Reserve may not include "deliberations, decisions and actions on monetary policy matters." The exemption, as Foss notes, "basically includes everything." According to the law, in other words, the Fed simply cannot be audited by Congress. Or by anyone else, for that matter.

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« Reply #2837 on: March 23, 2009, 02:20:55 PM »
kleptocracy go!

it's good to know that human greed fucks all ideologies equally
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« Reply #2838 on: March 23, 2009, 02:21:19 PM »
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None other than disgraced senator Ted Stevens was the poor sap who made the unpleasant discovery that if Congress didn't like the Fed handing trillions of dollars to banks without any oversight, Congress could apparently go fuck itself — or so said the law. When Stevens asked the GAO about what authority Congress has to monitor the Fed, he got back a letter citing an obscure statute that nobody had ever heard of before: the Accounting and Auditing Act of 1950. The relevant section, 31 USC 714(b), dictated that congressional audits of the Federal Reserve may not include "deliberations, decisions and actions on monetary policy matters." The exemption, as Foss notes, "basically includes everything." According to the law, in other words, the Fed simply cannot be audited by Congress. Or by anyone else, for that matter.

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I don't know exactly what the answer to this problem is. It'd be nice if the Fed stayed a non-political entity, but having them be some weirdo quasi-gov't agency that remains unaccountable to gov't doesn't sit right.

Probably step No.1 is to enact a policy that if you're a Randroid, you're automatically inelligible to be Fed Chair, that seems reasonalbe.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2839 on: March 23, 2009, 03:48:05 PM »
I still say that we have the torches and pitchfork session and worry about details afterward. 
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« Reply #2840 on: March 23, 2009, 10:21:08 PM »
Uh oh:

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China’s central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund.

In an essay posted on the People’s Bank of China’s website, Zhou Xiaochuan, the central bank’s governor, said the goal would be to create a reserve currency “that is disconnected from individual nations and is able to remain stable in the long run, thus removing the inherent deficiencies caused by using credit-based national currencies”.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2841 on: March 23, 2009, 10:24:22 PM »
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« Reply #2842 on: March 24, 2009, 12:36:01 AM »
Here's a headscratcher...

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Huckabee likens abortion to slavery at Missouri fundraiser
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Former Arkansas governor and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee likened abortion to slavery in a Monday speech during a fundraiser for an anti-abortion group.

Huckabee said that when it abolished slavery, the U.S. debated and decided it was immoral for one person to have complete, life-or-death power over another. He said that should not change whether the control involves racial bigotry or a pregnant woman making a decision for her unborn child.

"What are we saying to the generation coming after us when we tell them that it is perfectly OK for one person to own another human being?" Huckabee said. "I thought we dealt with that 150 years ago when the issue of slavery was finally settled in this country, and we decided that it no longer was a political issue, it wasn't an issue of geography, it was an issue of morality. That it was either right or it was immoral that one person could own another human being and have full control even to the point of life and death over that other human being."

He said civilization cannot survive if "one group of people have life and death control over another for no particular reason other than their own conveniences and, in that case, prejudices."

The half-hour speech was the keynote address during a luncheon fundraiser for the Jefferson City-based Vitae Caring Foundation. The organization, created in 1991, sponsors advertisements across the country encouraging women to seek alternatives to abortion.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2843 on: March 24, 2009, 01:29:24 AM »
Didn't a republican congressmen recently compare generational debt passing to slavery?

smh Huck. tell me a witty joke so I forget the lesser angels of your personality
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« Reply #2844 on: March 24, 2009, 10:16:05 AM »
It still amazes me how Republican leaders use religion as a tool to manipulate the minds of their followers. Slavery has been brought up a lot lately by them. Conservatives are the real slaves. Slaves to their leaders who talk to their poor and needy redneck following about how the problems in their lives are a result of the liberals while they continually vote against welfare and public programs that these people would benefit from. Slaves to the belief that their leaders actually care about them.

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« Reply #2845 on: March 24, 2009, 12:53:44 PM »
It's sort of impressive. Obviously there are liberal big shots who manipulate their supporters through alarmism/faux outrage as well, but republicans take it to an entirely different level by convincing poor folks to rabidly support policies that don't benefit them at all. Where was this "populist outrage" a few years ago when Bush was piling debt and lowering rich people's taxes? I'm serious, people act like this trillion dollar deficit occured within a few weeks
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« Reply #2846 on: March 24, 2009, 04:41:01 PM »
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Pa. Sen. Specter to Oppose Card Check
   
WASHINGTON -- In a setback for organized labor, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter said Tuesday he will oppose a bill that makes it easier for workers to form unions.

Specter was the only Republican to support the Employee Free Choice Act two years ago and unions were hoping he might be the crucial 60th vote needed to overcome an expected GOP filibuster of the measure when it's taken up this summer.

In a floor speech, Specter called it a "very emotional issue with labor looking to this legislation to reverse the steep decline in union membership and business expressing great concern about added costs, which would drive many companies out of business or overseas."

Specter said his vote to end debate on the bill two years ago was not support for the merits, but instead for Congress to take up the issue of labor law reform.

The bill would allow a majority of employees at a company to organize by signing cards, a change from current practice that allows employers to mandate secret ballot elections. It also would boost penalties for retaliation against workers seeking to organize and calls for arbitration if management and the union cannot agree on a first contract.
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Specter called the secret ballot "the cornerstone of how contests are decided in a Democratic society." And he said the requirement for mandatory arbitration may subject employers to a deal they cannot live with.

His decision will make it difficult for Democratic leaders to move forward with the bill, which unions consider their No. 1 priority, but some business groups have labeled "Armageddon."

Specter has faced unusually heavy pressure from both groups as he faces re-election next year.

"It is very hard to disappoint many friends who have supported me many years on either side who are urging me to vote their way," Specter said.

He also said his announcement "should end the rumor mill that I have made some deal for political advantage."

National Association of Manufacturers president John Engler praised Specter's decision.

"We are commending Sen. Specter for putting American jobs first and opposing card check legislation," Engler said.
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« Reply #2847 on: March 24, 2009, 05:27:30 PM »
Congresswoman Michelle "I really think we ought to ask certain members of Congress why they're anti-American" Bachmann is back at it.  Here she is getting her inner FoC on during Geithner and Bernanke's appearance today.

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Short version for people who don't have five minutes to waste:

"but but but where in the CONSTITUTION does it say you can do this stuff?"  Repeat about 3 times before Bernanke kind of reminds her that the Constitution allows Congress to pass laws and shit.

"I want you guys to pinkie swear that we're not going to some sort of crazy one world order currency like the Chinks want to do."

Then Frank yells at her when she goes over her time, which is justly deserved.
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« Reply #2848 on: March 24, 2009, 05:35:08 PM »
Meant to post this, but here's Bachman going beyond advocating "goin' Galt" and advocating "goin' McVeigh".

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Bachmann said, “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people – we the people – are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States.”
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« Reply #2849 on: March 24, 2009, 05:37:12 PM »
The Dems need to find a more competent candidate to run against her next time around... preferably not someone named "Elwyn Tinklenberg" too.
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« Reply #2850 on: March 24, 2009, 06:21:25 PM »
I imagine that we'll just see more politicians going GaltVeigh as we get closer to the 2010 elections.  It could be more emotional (and less certain?) than in 2008.

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« Reply #2851 on: March 24, 2009, 06:21:36 PM »
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...
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« Reply #2852 on: March 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM »
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...
I was gonna say that but tempermentally I never had much of a problem with Paul, he's just a guy with weirdo ideas that's managed to somehow stay in congress all these years. It's his followers that are the shrieking harpies ala Bachman.

This was especially true during the primaries with Dickwad Giuliani was audibly laughing at Paul off-camera and generally being :smug x1000
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« Reply #2853 on: March 24, 2009, 06:28:32 PM »
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...

I was gonna say that but tempermentally I never had much of a problem with Paul, he's just a guy with weirdo ideas that's managed to somehow stay in congress all these years. It's his followers that are the shrieking harpies ala Bachman.

No, Paul is certifiably nuts.  He asked Bernanke or Geithner earlier this year about going back to the Gold standard.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2854 on: March 24, 2009, 06:30:25 PM »
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...

I was gonna say that but tempermentally I never had much of a problem with Paul, he's just a guy with weirdo ideas that's managed to somehow stay in congress all these years. It's his followers that are the shrieking harpies ala Bachman.


No, Paul is certifiably nuts.  He asked Bernanke or Geithner earlier this year about going back to the Gold standard.

Oh I agree he's nuts, its just that there's a difference to being nuts and being a cunt.
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« Reply #2855 on: March 24, 2009, 07:11:38 PM »
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Pa. Sen. Specter to Oppose Card Check

I would argue that Card Check as we have previously known it is DOA. Doesn't mean there won't be any "lesser" versions put forth though.

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« Reply #2856 on: March 24, 2009, 07:51:14 PM »
card check was always a bridge too far in this congress . it's do or die for conservatives (and liberals, probably, given 2010 is their best chance for a high water mark) for the next election though.
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« Reply #2857 on: March 24, 2009, 07:59:28 PM »
Let's face it Obama is socially distinguished mentally-challenged. He doesn't know about discretion, appropriate behaviour etc especially as an elected official. Fuck that should give hope to most people on this forum.
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« Reply #2858 on: March 24, 2009, 08:16:12 PM »
I think he's far from socially distinguished mentally-challenged.  You do know who was president before him, right?
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« Reply #2859 on: March 24, 2009, 08:21:37 PM »
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/1

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Just read it all.

I don't really care anymore.  It seems like we're too close to the iceberg to really turn around now.  The only question now is do we freak out or do we just calmly accept it.
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« Reply #2860 on: March 24, 2009, 08:36:59 PM »
I'm always down for a good freakout.
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« Reply #2861 on: March 24, 2009, 08:46:54 PM »
I think he's far from socially distinguished mentally-challenged.  You do know who was president before him, right?
Hell naw. The major reason Bush got elected was his personality. I mean very few of his slip ups were politically incorrect or had the 'harshness' Obama had. He did a good job of relating to the 'common' man and when he was trying to be intentionally funny he was.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2862 on: March 24, 2009, 08:49:45 PM »
For all Obama's charisma he's still a skinny nerd. And like a skinny nerd he cracks jokes that make some folks cringe and other folks shake their head.

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« Reply #2863 on: March 24, 2009, 08:51:13 PM »
Dang right. Still trying to be one of the cool kids at the age 40 something. 
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« Reply #2864 on: March 24, 2009, 08:51:25 PM »
Ron Paul is predicting a 15-year depression. Its on FT.com, but I can't access it because I've already used my three monthly free reads. Can someone see if they can access it and post it here?

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« Reply #2865 on: March 24, 2009, 08:55:35 PM »
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Pension trustees and insurance company portfolio managers look away now. Your increased commitment to government bond holdings in recent times is about to blow up spectacularly.

At least, that is the view of Ron Paul, the US congressman who ran against John McCain in last year’s Republican Party presidential nomination.

His is a minority view. Yields on government bonds worldwide have been falling fast over the past few months and in the UK, the commencement of “quantitative easing” this month sent bond prices soaring.

But the credibility of both western governments and their currencies is waning, and has been ever since the gold standard was abandoned in 1971, says Mr Paul. And that means even “safe” investments are far from safe, he claims.

“People will start to abandon the dollar as current and past economic policies create a steep rise in interest rates,” Mr Paul says.

“If you are in Treasuries, you will need to be watchful and nimble to time your escape.”

Unfortunately, cashing out will not protect the value of investments, he insists, because “fiat” currencies will all decline over the coming years as measures to try to haul the world economy out of recession fail. “The current stimulus measures are making things a lot worse,” says Mr Paul.

“The US government just won’t allow the correction the economy needs.” He cites the mini-depression of 1921, which lasted just a year largely because insolvent companies were allowed to fail. “No one remembers that one. They’ll remember this one, because it will last 15 years.”

At some stage – Mr Paul estimates it will be between one and four years – the dollar will implode. “The dollar as a reserve standard is done,” he says. He sees little hope for other currencies where central banks have also created too much liquidity dating right back to the early 1970s.

“Europe and the US will both have to fundamentally change their money systems,” he adds.

And don’t even mention shares to Mr Paul: “The last place you want to be is in the stock market,” he says. “It may not bottom out for 10 years – just look at Japan.”

Of course, everyone has a view on the credit crisis, its causes and putative solutions. What differentiates Mr Paul is that he has been warning of the dangers to the world economy for nearly 40 years. “The breakdown of Bretton Woods was my motivation for running for Congress. I have been talking about the dangers ever since and warning that the control by central banks over the money supply would create an enormous bubble.”

A deep recession had only been avoided up until now because of the efforts of successive governments to reflate the economy. But there are no more policy levers left, says Mr Paul. “This is the big one.”

Unsurprisingly, Mr Paul has been viewed as a crank in Washington, dismissed as a doomsayer and a party-pooper. His bill early this year to abolish the Federal Reserve was largely ignored. And his adherence to the Austrian School of economics, which predicted that fiat currencies would destabilise the world economy, has won him few friends.

“People don’t like the Austrians because they are against big government, against armies and against the welfare state. To accept Austrian economics, you have to accept limitations of credit expansion and that is what has kept the government and financial firms in business for so long.”

However, his views are, for the first time, being taken seriously in Washington. Like another politician who recently aimed for high office, Al Gore, Mr Paul’s uncomfortable truths are starting to be deliberated at elevated political levels. “Before last summer, in meetings nobody really knew I was there. Now they often defer to me on economic matters. But you won’t catch any of them admitting that publicly – not yet at least.”

He believes that markets will fall much further and inflation rise much higher before his fellow politicians recognise that the system has failed. “We are likely to see an inflation depression,” Mr Paul says.

“In the 1970s, we had stagflation, but not depression. Inflation depression is what you see in Zimbabwe.”

Even Nouriel Roubini, the renegade economist whose once “extreme” views are now mainstream, fights shy of this analysis. The investment options arising from the analysis are no more palatable. In fact, according to Mr Paul, there is only one: gold.

Such an unproductive asset (unless you are a jeweller) appears unattractive even with the gold price having risen three-fold during the Bush administration. But Mr Paul argues that the current price of about $900/ounce could look cheap in a few years.

“It is not so much that gold will go up but that fiat currencies will go down,” he says. He even advocates a return to the gold standard, which he says is not as difficult as it sounds to achieve.

Mr Paul, it should be noted, first invested in gold nearly 40 years ago when it was worth $35/ounce and holds a part of his wealth in the metal. But he is not alone: gold exchange traded commodities have seen record inflows in the past six months, most wealth managers now recommend a core holding and central banks are loath to sell their quotas. Indeed, Russia has even announced it is buying gold.

Nevertheless, most large institutions, including pension funds, have little or no gold holdings. Mr Paul argues this is a mistake and decries the widely held view that gold is an anachronism.

“Gold is natural money and has been for 6,000 years,” he says.

“You just can’t repeal those laws. A scrap of paper, which the government can just add a nought to, will not do.” He does not, though, expect the mainstream investment industry and its advisers to rush to the bullion vaults.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2866 on: March 24, 2009, 08:56:39 PM »
are you serious?  getting elected President pretty much disqualifies you from being a social distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
QED

brawndolicious

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2867 on: March 24, 2009, 09:01:19 PM »
it will be so funny watching the gold bubble burst.

and yeah, Obama is a great public speaker but I don't think he's nearly as charismatic in person (he's more normal).  this is why I always said that Biden is the brains because of all of his water-cooler experience.

Fresh Prince

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2868 on: March 24, 2009, 09:02:56 PM »
So was Richard Nixon. Your public image doesn't hide the fact that you are socially distinguished mentally-challenged (at your core).
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Phoenix Dark

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2869 on: March 24, 2009, 09:03:13 PM »
Bidens...brains? smh

anyway, press conference:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841
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brawndolicious

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2870 on: March 24, 2009, 09:05:14 PM »
So was Richard Nixon. Your public image doesn't hide the fact that you are socially distinguished mentally-challenged (at your core).
Yes it does...the National Review condemned Nixon after those oval office tapes were released.

siamesedreamer

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2871 on: March 24, 2009, 09:05:39 PM »
This speech is so full of shit its breathtaking.

Barry Egan

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2872 on: March 24, 2009, 09:06:24 PM »
I'm pretty sure he was just being spontaneous, not trying to impress people with a skinny nerd joke

Phoenix Dark

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2873 on: March 24, 2009, 09:06:24 PM »
I kinda wish someone would turn his teleprompter off, just to see what he'd do  :lol
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Fresh Prince

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2874 on: March 24, 2009, 09:07:27 PM »
Biden I always thought was more the pragmatist, trying to get consesus, doing the rounds so to speak.

Yes it does...the National Review condemned Nixon after those oval office tapes were released.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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siamesedreamer

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2875 on: March 24, 2009, 09:09:50 PM »
Y'all see on Big Picture the article about Bernanke admitting that AIG's insurance subsidiaries had "substantial derivitive exposure" to its financial products side? That's fucking insane.

Thanks PD.

Phoenix Dark

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2876 on: March 24, 2009, 09:11:34 PM »
Biden I always thought was more the pragmatist, trying to get consesus, doing the rounds so to speak.

Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
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Fresh Prince

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2877 on: March 24, 2009, 09:14:20 PM »
Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
I've got this picture that Obama has the vision and then sends out Biden to do all the running around amongst the serfs.
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siamesedreamer

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2878 on: March 24, 2009, 09:16:16 PM »
Oh sheeeeeee

No middle class tax cut.  :lol

brawndolicious

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #2879 on: March 24, 2009, 09:16:33 PM »
Yes it does...the National Review condemned Nixon after those oval office tapes were released.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Politicians are like actors.  They can hide their awkward behavior or racist beliefs whenever they get in front of a camera.