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Cheebs · « **Reply #3180 on:** April 03, 2009, 02:41:31 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2009, 02:37:58 PM

Quote from: Willco on April 03, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Michelle Malkin is outraged about that, Jinfash.

Saudi king is a douche, but I guess Obama is just playing politics. Pfft.

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When JWF sent a link to the photo with Obama bent down like a serf (further than either he or Michelle dipped for Queen Elizabeth, by the way)

Amazing. Isn't this holding hands/bowing stuff more cultural respect than fawning? It's like saying kissing cheek to cheek is gay

Yeah, I mean he is a KING. Even though he is a king of a rather iffy middle-east country you are still expected to treat him with respect of royality. What can you do?

Plus if he didn't Conservatives would attack Obama if he broke royality protocal, you know it. Like they did when Michelle gave the Queen.

Cheebs · « **Reply #3181 on:** April 03, 2009, 02:42:36 PM »

Kissing his hand would probably be a bit too demeaning for a President, bowing is a good middle-ground.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #3182 on:** April 03, 2009, 03:35:03 PM »

Saudia Arabia kind of blows, dude. Sorry. Now that America is cool again, Saudis suck more.

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #3183 on:** April 03, 2009, 03:48:30 PM »

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html

Cheebs · « **Reply #3184 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:06:07 PM »

more carla bruni today

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #3185 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:31:35 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 03:48:30 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html

It's not really a bad "Obama idea", it's a bad idea that all the eco-invested Senators have been pushing for quite some time.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3186 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:59:22 PM »

I wonder if Obama knew that would bomb but figured he had to give Gore some lovin

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #3187 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:00:53 PM »

This is kind of wierd, Yahoo news was running this story for an hour .. but pulled it down. I didn't get a chance to see it and google didn't cache it.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3188 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:24:42 PM »

"With President Obama sinking American closer to depression..."

doesn't sound like something Yahoo would run

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #3189 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:17:40 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 03:48:30 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html

oh look, a wsj hit piece without a byline

again

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #3190 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:14:49 AM »

Quote from: Mamacint on April 03, 2009, 08:35:28 AM

I'm pretty sure he's aware of all of their drawbacks, but what's the harm on putting on a charm offensive? If he wants to play hardball later he's just in a better position to do it.

I have no problem with Obama, it's people taking these pictures on face value.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3191 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:28:50 AM »

Quote from: Willco on April 03, 2009, 11:22:35 AM

Michelle Malkin is outraged about that, Jinfash.

Saudi king is a douche, but I guess Obama is just playing politics. Pfft.

We've treated the Saudi's with kid gloves for far to long, but pretending that Obama giving a formal bow to a leader at a formal event is somehow equal or eclipses the ridiculousness of Bush tip-toeing through the tulips with a Saudi Prince at the same time that they're either "with us or against us" just shows how mind-numbingly incoherant most of the modern right has become.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #3192 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:44:32 AM »

oh lord

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #3193 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:47:40 AM »

Fuck I'm dying just his face is..

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3194 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:09:11 AM »

This weirdo trolling about what Obama has to accomplish has to stop. Everyone was excited because we were getting an actual adult in office instead of a emotional distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Bush's own mental faculties were never really the issue, but he was a petulant man-child who couldn't grasp his own shortcomings.

Recovering from this, and being excited with a real adult in charge with an adult temperment is different from having some messiah complex for him. But it seems like everytime he is in a situation and doesn't chop the Saudi king in half with a lightsaber, it seems all the press will say is "I don't understand - huh, huh, why didn't he do that, that's what a Jesus is supposed to do!", when no-one wanted or expected him to do it in the first place.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3195 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:20:51 AM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2009, 02:32:21 AM

(Image removed from quote.)

One-uping you!

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #3196 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:02:35 AM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2009, 04:20:20 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/us/politics/04disclose.html?hp

Hopefully this is enough to get Obama to force Summers out and get someone with a point of view that cantradicts wall street to work with Geithner. I haven't been happy with Obama on the economy so far, and I think he has about half a chance to change course before someone derails the whole thing and we're stuck with nothing.

Agreed. Summers needs to get the fuck out as soon as possible. I couldn't care less if they went to MIT when they were 16 but have been consistently shitting the bed since given the position. If we're to make actual changes to prevent this recession/depression and not just create another class of entitled assholes, we need someone who has the balls to be able to stand up to Wall Street. Summers and Geithner lack them. I say they should both leave but if you only had to get rid of one, it would be Summers.

Cheebs · « **Reply #3197 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:45:56 AM »

The sad thing is about these economic guys who need to go is that with the stock market booming the negative press surrounding them seemed to have disappeared for the most part. Meaning the chances of them going are probably a lot less today than they were say, a month ago.

A month ago I thought there was a small, but decent chance Obama could fire Timmy (or Summers) but I really don't see that anymore. Things have calmed down on wall street too much. We are probably stuck with them unless the small but noticeable upward movement suddenly reverses.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3198 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:47:29 PM »

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But the allies rebuked Obama's push for Europe to share the burden of the anti-terror fight in Afghanistan with more combat troops. That leaves the heavy lifting in U.S. hands. As he escalates U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama also is seeking to broaden the multinational commitment to preventing new terrorist attacks that he has repeatedly told Europeans are just as likely on their continent as in America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/04/obama-welcomes-albania-cr_n_183112.html

denieed

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #3199 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:53:05 PM »

But he did get more combat troops from NATO, just not a crazy amount.

Cheebs · « **Reply #3200 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:02:20 PM »

Quote from: Willco on April 04, 2009, 02:53:05 PM

But he did get more combat troops from NATO, just not a crazy amount.

Not to mention france is going to help us harbor some of the GITMO prisoners while we decide to figure out where to put them, thats a big deal.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3201 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:12:08 PM »

bubububu
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6032342.ece

Drudge's take: NO WE CAN'T: Obama fails to win Nato troops for Afghanistan...

Cheebs · « **Reply #3202 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:21:26 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:12:08 PM

bubububu
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6032342.ece

Drudge's take: NO WE CAN'T: Obama fails to win Nato troops for Afghanistan...

Stop playing the troll. Obama got a lot out of this. James Carville was right when he called this the best week of Obama's presidency so far.

He has formed a very very close friendship with the President of France, he seems to be a lot closer to him than he is to Gordon Brown. That is a huge step compared to where we were with France just 2 years ago.

He got the respect of the G-20 when before he came they thought he'd be a pushover.

He got 5,000 NATO troops for the war.

He got 1.1 trillion dollars to get pumped into the economy.

He got France to help them deal with the prisoners of GITMO and hold them for America.

The public of France, England, and Germany were in near worship over him.

Cheebs · « **Reply #3203 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:24:36 PM »

Oh and he seemed to win a lot of sway with the President of Russia and was able to begin discussions about the missile defense issues.

AND he saved a tax haven crisis between France and China.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3204 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM »

You're championing small potatoes. If you think he won over Russia with some jokes and laughs...smh. Wait until they start discussing the missile defense shield before making such claims.

They aren't troops btw. They're military trainers and police

Cheebs · « **Reply #3205 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:29:33 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM

You're championing small potatoes. If you think he won over Russia with some jokes and laughs...smh. Wait until they start discussing the missile defense shield before making such claims.

They aren't troops btw. They're military trainers and police

Regardless he got a lot done.

France went from being the mocked near hated "ally" of the Bush administration to Obama's closest pal in Europe in the span of a year. You don't find that AT ALL significant?

You think France harboring our GITMO detainee's is "small potatoes"?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #3206 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:32:56 PM »

Small potatoes? This was landmark in terms of cooperation and results. You want him to dictate support from a continent we spent eight years insulting and undermining?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Don't be a fool, Maurice.

Cheebs · « **Reply #3207 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:46:54 PM »

I don't even know where he is getting his "OBAMA FAAAAILED" in Europe thing from. Outside of the right-wing noise machine the mainstream media has been nothing but positive about his G-20 performance.

I mean look at the headlins on the mainstream media places
"Obama: Deal broker"
"Sarkozy embraces Obama as ally"
"Obama's plan endorsed"
"A French Embrace for Obama"
"‘Fresh Start’ for U.S.-Russia Relations"
"Obama a Dealmaker in Europe"

Got those by just popping on the front page of politico, usatoday...etc. I dunno why the hell PD is using right-wing troll remarks in this.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3208 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:49:37 PM »

Obama fits right in with Europe, not surprising. Socialists stick together

Cheebs · « **Reply #3209 on:** April 04, 2009, 03:59:54 PM »

wtf it's like cnn read this thread. I just turned it on and cnn was playing a cheesey musical montage of Obama & Sarkozy with some romantic music.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3210 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:12:56 PM »

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #3211 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:03:45 PM »

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-oba-3.html

Cheebs · « **Reply #3212 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:47:53 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 04, 2009, 08:03:45 PM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-oba-3.html

Yeah well other than THAT, saving the tax haven deal between France and China, getting France to hold our GITMO detainees, getting 1 trillion dollars for the economy, getting 5,000 troops for Afghanistan, and opening talks with Russia his trip was a complete failure

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #3213 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:18:24 PM »

a failure for DEMOCRACY

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3214 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:26:23 PM »

How did the issue of tax havens suddenly flare up?

The only thing I can really remember in recent history is the gov't finally putting it's foot down about Swiss bank accounts. But I hadn't heard any followup to that story so I just assumed they were stepping on too many dicks and that got muzzled.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #3215 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:10:37 PM »

glenn beck just called obama a fascist

uh

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #3216 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:03:31 PM »

Cheebs is working overtime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301945.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

re: Summers

I remember back during the transition reading speculation that Obama wanted to replace Bernanke with him when his term expired in 2010. Suppose that's becoming more and more of a political impossibility every day.

Cheebs · « **Reply #3217 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:21:59 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 04, 2009, 11:03:31 PM

Cheebs is working overtime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301945.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

re: Summers

I remember back during the transition reading speculation that Obama wanted to replace Bernanke with him when his term expired in 2010. Suppose that's becoming more and more of a political impossibility every day.

That opinion makes it seem like it is a bad thing that Obama is making many concessions to Europe and letting them take the lead on a multitude of issues.

This isn't the Bush years, we no longer need to act like America is some how better than Denmark or France or whoever at dictating the way things go.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #3218 on:** April 05, 2009, 12:22:13 AM »

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This isn't the Bush years, we no longer need to act like America is some how better than Denmark or France or whoever at dictating the way things go.

I agree. It's time to take care of us instead of everyone else.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #3219 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:54:50 AM »

[youtube=560,345]6LqxEhC9EEg[/youtube]

Mandark · « **Reply #3220 on:** April 05, 2009, 04:04:59 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM

You're championing small potatoes. If you think he won over Russia with some jokes and laughs...smh. Wait until they start discussing the missile defense shield before making such claims.

The missile defense shield is going to be a huge stumbling block? Huh?

If you're gonna cop the attitude of a jaded realist, you could at least not talk out of your ass. smh indeed.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3221 on:** April 05, 2009, 01:44:43 PM »

Poland is the only country in discussion relating to a shield? Oh well excuuuse me

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #3222 on:** April 05, 2009, 01:45:29 PM »

pd, the act is getting old

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3223 on:** April 05, 2009, 05:25:24 PM »

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20903.html

...

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #3224 on:** April 05, 2009, 07:21:47 PM »

PD smh.

Mandark · « **Reply #3225 on:** April 05, 2009, 10:07:40 PM »

Newt Gingrich thinks we should have bombed North Korea, should pursue regime change in Iran, and that we're in the middle of World War III. And that Obama's waging a "war against churches" and that there's "a gay and secular fascism" driving things like the anti-Prop 8 movement. Also, half of his 12 list of genius ideas are tax cuts. Plus we should appoint judges (who have military service records) to shut down any websites they deem "jihadist".

I pick on the guy not cause he's uniquely dumb (probably around Republican median) but cause he's held up as an intellectual and an innovator.

Dear GOP, you need better smart guys.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3226 on:** April 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM »

I think people are just dazzled by a Republican seeming to publicly acknowledge that having a brain isn't just for pussies, and they don't bother to actually see that his ideas are nothing more than that same old wingnut mess.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #3227 on:** April 05, 2009, 10:27:49 PM »

I read the remarks Gingrich made over the weekend, and they bordered on insane.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #3228 on:** April 05, 2009, 11:39:48 PM »

Newt Gingrich is a true ideas man.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #3229 on:** April 06, 2009, 03:28:00 AM »

Quote from: Mamacint on April 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM

I think people are just dazzled by a Republican seeming to publicly acknowledge that having a brain isn't just for pussies, and they don't bother to actually see that his ideas are nothing more than that same old wingnut mess.

ding ding ding we have a wiener

also, peep this vf piece by wolcott talking about the dreaded and omnipresent "washington bubble"

Mandark · « **Reply #3230 on:** April 06, 2009, 03:51:59 AM »

"Only in Washington, D.C., could Gingrich, a magpie of futurist jargon and a bumptious opportunist, pass himself off as an iconoclastic force and centrifuge of ideas, a cross between Buckminster Fuller and Che Guevara leading a commando raid on the buffet table."

Ow ow owwwwww.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #3231 on:** April 06, 2009, 04:26:43 AM »

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

I don't even know wtf is happening here, whenever I saw his show on CNN he was just a low-tier blowhard best just left ignored, but is he ultimately revealinig himself to be a joke character or are we witnessing a public mental breakdown?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3232 on:** April 06, 2009, 04:52:03 AM »

Yea, I remember watching his show and not really taking note of it, outside of his annoying tendency to say he was a regular red blooded white American fed up with petty politics on both sides...before launching into a laughably right wing attack on democrats.

I first saw clips of his show during Colbert's annihilation of him. Holy shit, comparing him to Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly/Dobbs is an insult to those fine gentlemen. He's more like a religious cult leader nutball than another tv mouthpiece

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #3233 on:** April 06, 2009, 09:09:24 AM »

Uptick coming back?

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #3234 on:** April 06, 2009, 05:05:37 PM »

Agreed.

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #3235 on:** April 06, 2009, 05:20:58 PM »

Quote from: Mamacint on April 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM

I think people are just dazzled by a Republican seeming to publicly acknowledge that having a brain isn't just for pussies, and they don't bother to actually see that his ideas are nothing more than that same old wingnut mess.

The reason Newt Gingrich gets so much airplay despite his past decade of irrelevance is because he will talk to ANYBODY. The guy will show up at the opening of an envelope if you ask him nicely. Most high-up elephants won't have anything to do with the 'liberal media', but not Newt, he'll take any calls, answer any questions.

He's made himself the go-to guy for any reporter needing a nice, juicy quote or TV appearance. His current stature is made up entirely of his self-feeding media prominence and his ability to moderate his message according to the current weather. Kinda like a wishy-washier Pat Buchanan with better hair.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3236 on:** April 06, 2009, 10:59:26 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 06, 2009, 09:21:15 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07poll.html?hp

The Republican party's strategy of being useless obstructionists is paying off.

The silent majority is so silent statistics can't possibly calculate their gargantuan existence

Cheebs · « **Reply #3237 on:** April 06, 2009, 11:40:02 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 10:59:26 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 06, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07poll.html?hp

The Republican party's strategy of being useless obstructionists is paying off.

The silent majority is so silent statistics can't possibly calculate their gargantuan existence

Just like when America secretly was against govt. spending for the economy despite 60-70% of the public supported it.

REVOLUTION IS COMING.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3238 on:** April 06, 2009, 11:42:07 PM »

Well Cheebs, Chinese Democracy out so anything is possible

Cheebs · « **Reply #3239 on:** April 06, 2009, 11:46:58 PM »

I am reminded by the infamous Dole line from the '96 campaign "Where's the outrage!?"

The right wing see Obama's actions as so extreme, so socialist, so evil and destructive that they assume the country must be on the verge of total revolution. The fact the majority of the country actually LIKES these policies destroys that.

The fact there is almost no outrage over these vast economic agenda's and spending has to bewilder them.

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Author Topic: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics (Read 1870887 times)