Author Topic: Punch-Out Wii might actually be good (it has playable controls) (Read 24610 times)

demi · « **Reply #60 on:** May 17, 2009, 02:02:58 AM »

after the 13k sold for excitebots, i think the wii base is already giving a well deserved lesson

Hollywood · « **Reply #61 on:** May 17, 2009, 03:15:14 AM »

Whoever thought making a game based on insect bot creatures was stupid. Once again presentation > content.

I want to play the new Punch-out, I played the shit out of the NES one. I think I only beat Mr Dream once without a Game Genie when I was a kid.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #62 on:** May 17, 2009, 03:55:55 AM »

Excitebots was an awesome game sent to die. No print ads, no commercials. I'm shocked I find games so quickly when going online with such piss poor numbers.

Punch-out has a good marketing push, but I wonder how many regular people have a craving for a remake of a game released 20 YEARS AGO.

demi · « **Reply #63 on:** May 17, 2009, 04:09:11 AM »

I'd pay $10 for it maybe. Or get around to buying that USB HDD and rip it. I like the second choice

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #64 on:** May 17, 2009, 04:47:46 AM »

I thought that's how you acquired everything, honestly.

It's bugging me what the REAL final fight is. Apparently its a pleasant surprise.
Doc? SPO dude? I hope its tyson with ear biting attack.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #65 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:13:24 AM »

Theres apparently some kind of challenge mode where you have to play against fighters with special conditions to meet, too.

But yea at 50 bones it's not a quick pickup for me. Infamous

archie4208 · « **Reply #66 on:** May 17, 2009, 11:47:22 PM »

Apparently

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Donkey Kong

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is the last fighter.

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demi · « **Reply #67 on:** May 17, 2009, 11:57:08 PM »

that's original

so... are there ANY new characters then

archie4208 · « **Reply #68 on:** May 18, 2009, 12:00:36 AM »

Disco Kid. Nintendo spent 15 years coming up with ONE new character and made it a stereotype from the 70s

Shuri · « **Reply #69 on:** May 18, 2009, 01:33:44 AM »

donkey kong? Thats so FUCKING LAME

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #70 on:** May 18, 2009, 04:19:32 AM »

I'm geeking out over here.

Rumor has it there are two other characters in "LAST STAND" along with Donkey Kong. Um, Captain Falcon? Hitmonchan?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #71 on:** May 18, 2009, 09:21:14 AM »

Quote from: Shuri on May 18, 2009, 01:33:44 AM

donkey kong? Thats so FUCKING LAME

what a waste of time

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #72 on:** May 18, 2009, 10:33:29 AM »

Yes, that is distinguished mentally-challenged. So is the idea of Hitmonchan or Falcon joining the roster.

cool breeze · « **Reply #73 on:** May 18, 2009, 10:41:46 AM »

So instead of a strong black boxer as the ultimate fighter, they opted to use a gorilla.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #74 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:01:05 AM »

Donkey Kong shows up randomly during a "Last Stand" survival mode circuit after beating Title Defense. He's not the ultimate showdown but rather a whimsical cameo.
Mr. Sandman is for all intents and purposes the champ.

Oh wait I forgot Punch-Out is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #75 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:02:52 AM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 18, 2009, 10:33:29 AM

Yes, that is distinguished mentally-challenged. So is the idea of Hitmonchan or Falcon joining the roster.

I didn't want Hitmonchan, I just wondered how far they would run with this.
I'd nerdgasm over falcon punch action though.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #76 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:03:13 AM »

At least that makes more sense.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #77 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:06:31 AM »

Why do you play games again?

cool breeze · « **Reply #78 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:10:19 AM »

They need a cameo from leper mac

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #79 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:12:20 AM »

Because they aren't usually ehashes of shit I played a long time ago with other 20 year old characters incongruously slapped in?

I already said I wanted to buy the game, but it'd be nice if Nintendo's one semi-unique property of the year could exclude the familiar parade of 'old favorites.' If it's a bonus mode then it's less annoying.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #80 on:** May 18, 2009, 02:20:46 PM »

All the fighters have new patterns in Title Defense. They even look different! You can pretend they're new characters!
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I like remakes, no lie. This game makes the necessary changes I feel were needed from the first.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #81 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:01:31 PM »

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on May 18, 2009, 02:20:46 PM

All the fighters have new patterns in Title Defense. They even look different! You can pretend they're new characters!

Interesting rationalization.

demi · « **Reply #82 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:33:34 PM »

pilonv1 · « **Reply #83 on:** May 18, 2009, 10:46:40 PM »

that fucking glove is $100. what a waste of money

Brehvolution · « **Reply #84 on:** May 18, 2009, 11:06:02 PM »

Look at all the nfags.

Hollywood · « **Reply #85 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:02:39 AM »

Who the fuck is complaining about a game being a rehash because it has the same characters as a game 20 years ago?

Crushed · « **Reply #86 on:** May 19, 2009, 09:48:10 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 19, 2009, 09:41:31 PM

Quote from: Hollywood on May 19, 2009, 02:02:39 AM
Who the fuck is complaining about a game being a rehash because it has the same characters as a game 20 years ago?

I am. There are three Punch-Out games. Does one really need to be a straight remake of another? Is Nintendo truly so lacking in creativity that they can only come up with one new boxer to try to entice the money from my wallet? I can just download the VC Punch-Out, imagine I fought Disco Kid, and save the $45.

A) It's not a straight remake at all.
B) It's made by Next Level Games.

cool breeze · « **Reply #87 on:** May 19, 2009, 09:55:04 PM »

I did the first and half of the second circuit. So far it's Punch Out, so good. I'm using the wii remote sideways controls and it plays fine for the most part. Dodging seems a bit delayed than NES Punch Out, but no big deal. Loading times are annoying, especially when there are boring theatrics that make the wait for fights even longer. It's still fun.

Disco Kid is stupidly easy. So far the entire game is stupidly easy. I don't know if I got better of if the game is just easy, but I don't remember Punch Out or Super Punch Out being this easy.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #88 on:** May 19, 2009, 10:07:48 PM »

I guess it's impossible to add to Punch-Out's memorable stable of ethnic stereotypes. And Heaven forbid the game not include Glass Joe; he's basically the equivalent of Ryu.

Has Nintendo ever made a decision that its fans won't defend?

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #89 on:** May 19, 2009, 10:25:24 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 19, 2009, 09:51:36 PM

Yeah, I'm aware it's being developed by the pride of Canada responsible for the seminal work Spider-Man: Friend or Foe. Probably why they're playing it so close to the bone.

I love you

I don't own any Punch Outs so I still want this game. I didn't realize the original one is on VC though, maybe I'll get that.

Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich · « **Reply #90 on:** May 19, 2009, 11:38:20 PM »

Quote from: Malek on May 19, 2009, 10:07:48 PM

Has Nintendo ever made a decision that its fans won't defend?

I'm pretty sure the whole Earthbound debacle is practically indefensible. If not, then $:-\$

tiesto · « **Reply #91 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:29:22 AM »

Quote from: Malek on May 19, 2009, 10:07:48 PM

I guess it's impossible to add to Punch-Out's memorable stable of ethnic stereotypes. And Heaven forbid the game not include Glass Joe; he's basically the equivalent of Ryu.

Has Nintendo ever made a decision that its fans won't defend?

There's no Jewish stereotype in the original Punch Out...

archie4208 · « **Reply #92 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:33:49 AM »

Quote from: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on May 19, 2009, 11:38:20 PM

Quote from: Malek on May 19, 2009, 10:07:48 PM
Has Nintendo ever made a decision that its fans won't defend?

I'm pretty sure the whole Earthbound debacle is practically indefensible. If not, then $:-\$

There aren't enough sales to justify bringing the game over. I'd rather have 5 more Pokemon games and Wii Watersports

cool breeze · « **Reply #93 on:** May 20, 2009, 01:06:05 AM »

they made Bald Bull a lot more offensive in this game. I'm pretty sure he's yells out "ALLAH AGGGGHMAAAD" before an attack.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #94 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:01:00 AM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 18, 2009, 11:06:02 PM

Look at all the nfags.

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Shit I wish I got it on Saturday.

Hollywood · « **Reply #95 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:24:53 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 19, 2009, 09:41:31 PM

Quote from: Hollywood on May 19, 2009, 02:02:39 AM
Who the fuck is complaining about a game being a rehash because it has the same characters as a game 20 years ago?

I am. There are three Punch-Out games. Does one really need to be a straight remake of another? Is Nintendo truly so lacking in creativity that they can only come up with one new boxer to try to entice the money from my wallet? I can just download the VC Punch-Out, imagine I fought Disco Kid, and save the $45.

Yeah, because its exactly like the original one, 20 years ago.

If you're buying this game for new characters, you have some priority issues. Obviously the game is selling to the nostalgia crowd who WANT to fight the old characters like Glass Joe and King Hippo, rather than making up Negro Joe and Arab Bob or whatever other boxers they come up with to replace them.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #96 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:29:00 AM »

Quote from: Hollywood on May 20, 2009, 02:24:53 AM

Yeah, because its exactly like the original one, 20 years ago.

If you're buying this game for new characters, you have some priority issues. Obviously the game is selling to the nostalgia crowd who WANT to fight the old characters like Glass Joe and King Hippo, rather than making up Negro Joe and Arab Bob or whatever other boxers they come up with to replace them.

Why can't Nintendo include old characters and add new characters? And Maybe--just maybe--Nintendo can create new characters that aren't simply boring racial/ethnic stereotypes.

Mondain · « **Reply #97 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:55:14 AM »

I completed the first two circuits.

It's a good game but I have a few gripes. First, the boxers have become too cartoony. Maybe it's the look and feel that the Nintendo team originally intended but couldn't achieve due to the limitations of the Famicom hardware, but at least you could somehow take the first Punch Out seriously. You truly felt like an underdog and you felt like a king after winning a truly hard match. I have a hard time getting involved into the fights when the characters act like they're from a saturday morning cartoon for three years-old. They went over the top with the dumb, silly countrymen stereotypes and all the one-liners they spout. Some characters like Glass Joe and that big Canadian dude look like they're autistic. And what's up with all the main theme remixes for each of their country? It gets old fast, and it makes the game even more corny. Couldn't they come up with new hymns of their own?

Second I really don't like the way the game controls, even with the digital controls and the Wee-Wee remote held horizontally. It's just too tiny and it tilts all the time.

Lastly there don't seem to be a whole lot of fighters. Something like 14? I'd gladly take half of those big dumb animated character sequences for a roster twice as huge.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #98 on:** May 20, 2009, 03:00:55 AM »

I never played Super Punch-Out so for me there are three new characters. Aran Ryan

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #99 on:** May 20, 2009, 03:27:21 AM »

I love this game. There's so much personality without overdoing the exposition. Simple responsive controls. It seems block isn't as useable as I thought it was unless I'm not noticing reduced damage.

Does anyone know if certain "red states" are impossible for star gains? They often seem out of reach.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #100 on:** May 20, 2009, 03:29:07 AM »

Quote from: Malek on May 20, 2009, 02:29:00 AM

Quote from: Hollywood on May 20, 2009, 02:24:53 AM
Yeah, because its exactly like the original one, 20 years ago.

If you're buying this game for new characters, you have some priority issues. Obviously the game is selling to the nostalgia crowd who WANT to fight the old characters like Glass Joe and King Hippo, rather than making up Negro Joe and Arab Bob or whatever other boxers they come up with to replace them.

Why can't Nintendo include old characters and add new characters? And Maybe--just maybe--Nintendo can create new characters that aren't simply boring racial/ethnic stereotypes.

*lists a bunch of irrelevant, one-shot Fire Emblem characters in an attempt to annihilate your point*

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #101 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:37:38 AM »

Aran Ryan is an AWESOME racial/ethnic stereotype

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #102 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:43:23 AM »

I dunno why its a bad thing Nintendo is moving away from mascot franchises. Was Advance Wars shit because they didn't have one single face representing the series? Their second-third party title collaborations that they publish (excitebots, elite beat agents, endless ocean, drill dozer etc) seem to meet the criteria. WiiWare has the artstyle games and cool things like Maboshi's Arcade. So as long as I'm getting good games I don't know why its soooo important that the internal teams are dedicated heart and soul to making new mascots.

Super Macho Man is WILD HOMO btw. Spandex jiggling.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #103 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:29:04 AM »

* Malek Ctrl + F "mascot"

no results

EmCeeGrammar are you having an internal conversation?

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #104 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:12:27 AM »

Maybe. I tend to respond to prevailing attitudes in a thread. And ya know, defensive fanboy knee-jerk reactions. I'll just diagnose myself with ADD today.

Title Defense Glass Joe is probably my gaming highlight of the year so far. He's so cocky with his fakeouts. I'll get him next time.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #105 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:28:36 AM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on May 20, 2009, 04:37:38 AM

Aran Ryan is an AWESOME racial/ethnic stereotype

He said I'm pretty like his sister. :[

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #106 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:33:13 AM »

Disco Kid is Richard Simmons now. This is too good. I haven't laughed at a game like this since Warioware.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #107 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:10:11 PM »

I feel exactly the same way. I was loving Wii through the end of 2007, and for the first few months of 2008 I was holding out hope that they were just being secretive about their lineup. No luck. I feel like an idiot for recommending Wii to a few different people in those early months, because none of them play it anymore.

cool breeze · « **Reply #108 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:31:11 PM »

Just wait until E3, guys. gaf says there is a new Zelda, Mario, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Pilot Wings, Mother and more to be announced.

Realistically, Nintendo doesn't even need to bother making those games when Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Kart are selling like crazy and have been for years now. I still think they just should focus any efforts on "hardcore" games to Wiiware, because they don't really seem to care otherwise.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #109 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:26:14 PM »

:roll
It really doesn't matter what is released, some of you will come up with some more narrow criteria to pass on it. And thusly Wii has no games!

But this is a thread about Punch-out and not about why NoA isn't pushing d-grade material like Disaster.

One flaw I'm finding is that after defeating an opponent, you can no longer practice against their hologram. This sucks because although I can squeak by an opponent sometimes I would love to go back to practice and figure out the best way to get stars.

Other tidbits:
-Many if not most fighters can be tagged with an extra punch after snapping out of stun. It's either a delayed jab or hook on the opposite side of the last punch thrown.
-The credits task you as a spellchecker. Click on boxer names or obviously mispelled names to rack up a high score.
-During Mac's ko animation, if you mash the buttons as he hits the ropes there's a chance Mac will steady himself and won't fall. You get back a little less than half your health.
-Block is pretty damn useful in Title Defense and is almost necessary to successfully counter into stun. Title Defense in general is the best Punch-Out ever because it requires your full moveset of block, left and right dodges, left and right hooks, l/r jabs, and duck. If you don't set up your star punches correctly they WILL dodge it purposefully and may counter during Mac's cooldown.

oh I have a question. I can't figure out how to get stars on King Hippo. Tips?

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #110 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:57:37 PM »

is 'please stop rehashing' really such a new or narrow criticism for Nintendo?

FatalT · « **Reply #111 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:00:36 PM »

Hahaha this game is awesome. Great Tiger can burn in hell though. His teleportation and turban jewel garbage make me angry. I had trouble beating him in the NES version too.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #112 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:06:01 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 20, 2009, 04:57:37 PM

is 'please stop rehashing' really such a new or narrow criticism for Nintendo?

It's either "please stop rehashing" or "please stop making games we don't care about."

Nintendo doesn't make call of duty, so they suck

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #113 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:12:14 PM »

People don't give Mario Galaxy shit because even though it had a familiar IP, they did something new with it and it was a blast. People give Wii Play and Wii Fit shit because they are a joke. This shouldn't need to be explained to anyone. Come up with some new IPs that aren't made for my grandma. Or at least put as much effort into your old IPs as you did with SMG.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #114 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:19:27 PM »

people give wii fit and wii play shit because they don't like them, not because they're jokes. it threatens their ever-so-sacred nostalgia of the games they grew up with. both "games" are marketed quite well and to a certain audience that wants those types of distractions. That just happens to be where the money is.

and let's be honest, Nintendo hasn't created new IPs for the most part since the SNES.

And people don't give Mario Galaxy shit because it's a fucking mario game, they're all for the most part good. and it didn't really do anything "new."

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #115 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:27:04 PM »

They don't threaten shit for me, there are plenty of PS360 games coming out lately. The problem is that Nintendo stopped going 50/50 on gamer and nongamer games and went whole hog for nongamer games. I bought 2 Wii games in 2008 - Smash and Mario Kart. One was actually good. Everything since then has been nongame bullshit until now, Punch Out, which I might not want if I owned one of its other iterations.

You are right about N64 and GCN being shit as far as new properties, but at least they still released games.

But yes, I should stop being disappointed with Wii because "Nintendo knows where the money is." That really helps me as a consumer.

Like Segata, I was gung ho for Wii right through 2007. I ignored stuff like Wii Play because I was getting Mario, Metroid, a little Battalion Wars in there, etc. That all dried up a year and a half ago and I don't use my Wii anymore. Why shouldn't I be frustrated with this $250 waste of space?

btw, people give plenty of shit to Sunshine, NSMB, TP, PH, etc. Galaxy is above it because it actually has a creative spark. People can be disappointed in Punch Out's meager roster without being afraid of Nintendo's market dominance. Maybe they just yearn for the times when a year long wait on a Nintendo console would at least produce a Perfect Dark or a Majora's Mask.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #116 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:41:56 PM »

Well then you and I are basically in the same boat; we just want some new Nintendo games for it. But at least you and I LIKED some of the games they released during the few couple years. There are some people who just give Nintendo shit for the fuck of it because they are so offended that Nintendo branched out in both marketing and design, regardless if those games were quality despite all of that.

I'd get Punch-Out though if I were you, I just did and am having more fun than I expected to have with it. Note, I only really played the first one so this is my first "true" Punch-Out. Maybe wait till it drops in price a little if you really want to.

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btw, people give plenty of shit to Sunshine, NSMB, TP, PH, etc. Galaxy is above it because it actually has a creative spark.

man, I'd argue the exact opposite. For the most part people loved Galaxy because it was just a pure Mario platformer that wasn't held back by its system/controller. Whereas Sunshine was at times a forced gimmick, and NSMB and PH were just lazy game design period. I love TP so I can't comment on that.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #117 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:48:51 PM »

I only played Punch Out at friends houses, which is why the roster isn't a big deal to me. I'd already have it if it wasn't for Infamous coming next week, I've tried to stop buying 2-3 games at the same time.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #118 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:51:53 PM »

I hear ya. I've been 360-less for a while so my habits on that system have taken a halt for the moment. I'll probably pick back up with it when Batman: Arkham Asylum comes out.

cool breeze · « **Reply #119 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:14:39 PM »

I really don't care about the Punch Out roster the way it is. I'm enjoying the game. My problems are that I really dislike the art style, and that the developer is either aloof or a prick. So many small annoyances are throughout the game. They have NES controls on the wii remote, but to navigate menus you need to use the pointer. Loading time is annoyingly long for this type of game and the "personality" scenes for the fighters only make it worse. Again, it's a lot of small problems that stack up and become more annoying than they should be.

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people give wii fit and wii play shit because they don't like them, not because they're jokes. it threatens their ever-so-sacred nostalgia of the games they grew up with. both "games" are marketed quite well and to a certain audience that wants those types of distractions. That just happens to be where the money is.

Wii fit, music and play are jokes, dude. Play is probably the least shit of the bunch since it has the target practice game. And the marble rolling game for Wii Fit is OK if you don't have Kororinpa. I have no big problem with non-games if they aren't complete shit. Flash Focus on the DS is pretty awesome. Just yesterday I actually bought EA Sports Active and that too is pretty awesome for what it is (I only tried one session of it since I really just bought it for my parents).

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Like Segata, I was gung ho for Wii right through 2007. I ignored stuff like Wii Play because I was getting Mario, Metroid, a little Battalion Wars in there, etc. That all dried up a year and a half ago and I don't use my Wii anymore. Why shouldn't I be frustrated with this $250 waste of space?

I'm sort of the same way. I still played my Wii a bunch in 2007 and wasn't anywhere near as hostile towards it. Even in early 2008 I enjoyed it a bunch with Smash Brawl (even if I do consider it a bit of a letdown). Then it was a huge drop off and then here we are now. I am fairly excited for both Little King Story and Wii Sports Resort, though.

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man, I'd argue the exact opposite. For the most part people loved Galaxy because it was just a pure Mario platformer that wasn't held back by its system/controller. Whereas Sunshine was at times a forced gimmick, and NSMB and PH were just lazy game design period. I love TP so I can't comment on that.

I can agree with that. Galaxy was great because it was so simple. Very abstract levels where it was mostly simple, straight forward and fun objectives. Sunshine wasn't that fun because it was dropping you into one of several big area that looked way too similar, giving you some boring task and then you have at it. Roll a melon to the finish line. What fun! Mario Sunshine was basically the bad side of 3D platformers whereas Mario Galaxy was good.

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Author Topic: Punch-Out Wii might actually be good (it has playable controls) (Read 24610 times)