Author Topic: Punch-Out Wii might actually be good (it has playable controls) (Read 24651 times)

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #120 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:52:00 PM »

Hey I didn't include Wii Music in my sentence for a reason

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #121 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:56:10 PM »

Who else on this board besides me, swaggaz, and Demi actually played Wii Music? I'm cool with Swaggaz putting it down because he gave it a shot, but otherwise its alot of folks assuming its a crappy rhythm game instead of the improv simulator that it is. Nintendo made Rhythm Heaven too.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #122 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:04:52 PM »

I played it for 5 minutes at my friends house and hated it. It's legitimately one of the few games from Nintendo I fucking despise.

And Rhythm Heaven is shit fun.

FatalT · « **Reply #123 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:09:44 PM »

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on May 20, 2009, 06:56:10 PM

Who else on this board besides me, swaggaz, and Demi actually played Wii Music? I'm cool with Swaggaz putting it down because he gave it a shot, but otherwise its alot of folks assuming its a crappy rhythm game instead of the improv simulator that it is. Nintendo made Rhythm Heaven too.

I downloaded it and played it for about 20 minutes but I couldn't get into it. I don't have the creativity or patience to stick with a musical instrument, let alone a game attempting to be a musical instrument.

Oblivion · « **Reply #124 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:24:00 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on May 20, 2009, 05:41:56 PM

man, I'd argue the exact opposite. For the most part people loved Galaxy because it was just a pure Mario platformer that wasn't held back by its system/controller. Whereas Sunshine was at times a forced gimmick, and NSMB and PH were just lazy game design period. I love TP so I can't comment on that.

It really is fascinating to me. Twilight Princess gets blasted for being an OoT rehash, but no one complains that SMG is a SM64 rehash. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. It's great that there's at least one game that sticks with staples from a previously successful title and doesn't get criticized for doing so for once.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 20, 2009, 05:27:04 PM

Maybe they just yearn for the times when a year long wait on a Nintendo console would at least produce a Perfect Dark or a Majora's Mask.

Holy balls.... You cannot be fucking serious, dude. I mean, really? You are actually trying to say what I think you're saying?

You're supposed to be smarter than this, man.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #125 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:35:12 PM »

You just have an unhealthy obsession with Man Link, Oblivion.

I'll echo FatalT sentiments to an extent. I like playing around with the melody and harmony but often I'd be clueless what to do with a chord or bass section. Still made a bitching bagpipe quintet version of the Wii Sports Theme.

Oblivion · « **Reply #126 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:36:34 PM »

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on May 20, 2009, 07:35:12 PM

You just have an unhealthy obsession with Man Link, Oblivion.

Wha....what exactly does that have to do with what I said

cool breeze · « **Reply #127 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:42:27 PM »

Quote from: Oblivion on May 20, 2009, 07:24:00 PM

It really is fascinating to me. Twilight Princess gets blasted for being an OoT rehash, but no one complains that SMG is a SM64 rehash. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. It's great that there's at least one game that sticks with staples from a previously successful title and doesn't get criticized for doing so for once.

what are you even talking about? Galaxy isn't a Mario 64 rehash at all. I really like Twilight Princess, but it is a rehash. The entire structure and tone of the game is essentially OoT. Galaxy is so different from Mario 64.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #128 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:45:36 PM »

Eh, I'd say TP stops it's "rehash" around the end of the third dungeon, then it becomes a game of its own.

I'd even go as far to say that Galaxy is closer to SM64 than TP is to OoT, but that's not at all a bad thing. It's just that the entire structure of Galaxy is, at its core, almost identical to Mario Galaxy's. But having said that, I guess the same argument could be made for TP. meh *shrugs*

Oblivion · « **Reply #129 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:47:08 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on May 20, 2009, 07:42:27 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 20, 2009, 07:24:00 PM
It really is fascinating to me. Twilight Princess gets blasted for being an OoT rehash, but no one complains that SMG is a SM64 rehash. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. It's great that there's at least one game that sticks with staples from a previously successful title and doesn't get criticized for doing so for once.

what are you even talking about? Galaxy isn't a Mario 64 rehash at all. I really like Twilight Princess, but it is a rehash. The entire structure and tone of the game is essentially OoT. Galaxy is so different from Mario 64.

Let's see. The similarities with OoT and TP:

-Teenage Link
-Contains Ganon and Zelda
-Takes place in Hyrule
-Contains a master sword that you get after completing the first 3 temples.

Similarities between SM64 and SMG:

-Both contain Mario, Peach and Bowser.
-Both have several, varied worlds that you repeat over and over.
-Both have you collecting 120 stars.

What's the criteria for one thing being a rehash, but not another?

cool breeze · « **Reply #130 on:** May 20, 2009, 08:04:12 PM »

The level in Galaxy were not only more linear, but each new star often meant a very different level using the same theme. Mario 64 was the same level often time being used for for the different stars. Difference being that Galaxy is more about platforming where Mario 64 is a bit more about exploring and figuring out how to get the current star.

OoT and TP have basically the same game structure. Start off in training village, go to open world, two selves, collect so and so numbers of objects to progress and then collect another set of so and so items. Dungeons are going through and noticing area you can't reach, then you get the item for that dungeon, and now you can reach the boss. Often times that item most likely won't come into play later. The world itself is the same form of Hyrule (mirrored on the Wii version). Visual style is more or less the same. Last boss is actually a fake out since there is a real ultimate power you need to face in the end. Btw, both of these last battles take place in Hyrule castle and end up in the field. A horse again plays a big role in the game. Water temple is probably the low point in both games.

Quote from: BrandNew on May 20, 2009, 07:45:36 PM

It's just that the entire structure of Galaxy is, at its core, almost identical to Mario Galaxy's.

Agreed 100%

Oblivion · « **Reply #131 on:** May 20, 2009, 08:27:55 PM »

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Start off in a training level, go to hub world, collect so and so numbers of objects to progress and then collect another set of so and so items.

Yes I agree, SM64 and SMG are like that.

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Dungeons are going through and noticing area you can't reach, then you get the item for that dungeon, and now you can reach the boss. Often times that item most likely won't come into play later. The world itself is the same form of Hyrule (mirrored on the Wii version). Visual style is more or less the same. Last boss is actually a fake out since there is a real ultimate power you need to face in the end. Btw, both of these last battles take place in Hyrule castle and end up in the field. A horse again plays a big role in the game. Water temple is probably the low point in both games.

you...you do realize almost every one of these similarities also happen to occur in almost every friggen Zelda title, right?

cool breeze · « **Reply #132 on:** May 20, 2009, 08:38:19 PM »

In terms of 3D Zelda games, which is what I am talking about, really just two games share what you quoted--OoT and Twilight Princess.

I'm actually a bit lost about what's being argued. Are you thinking that saying it's a rehash means it's bad? As I said before, I really liked Twilight Princess. It just is very similar to OoT.

Oblivion · « **Reply #133 on:** May 20, 2009, 08:59:58 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on May 20, 2009, 08:38:19 PM

In terms of 3D Zelda games, which is what I am talking about, really just two games share what you quoted--OoT and Twilight Princess.

It appears I need to tackle this step by step.

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Dungeons are going through and noticing area you can't reach, then you get the item for that dungeon, and now you can reach the boss. Often times that item most likely won't come into play later.

This occurs in LttP, LA, MM, WW, the Oracle games, Minish Cap, etc.

So if you ignore all those games, then yeah you've got a point.

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The world itself is the same form of Hyrule (mirrored on the Wii version).

Don't know what you mean by this.

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Visual style is more or less the same.

The visual style is also pretty much the same in the 2 Mario games. Hell, Majora's Mask uses the exact same engine as OoT.

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Last boss is actually a fake out since there is a real ultimate power you need to face in the end.

I don't see this.

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Btw, both of these last battles take place in Hyrule castle and end up in the field.

The final battles for both SM64 and SMG also take place in similar environments. Hell, in both games you fight Bowser 3 times throughout.

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A horse again plays a big role in the game. Water temple is probably the low point in both games.

There was a horse and water temple in Majora's Mask too. omg it must be a rehash too!

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I'm actually a bit lost about what's being argued. Are you thinking that saying it's a rehash means it's bad? As I said before, I really liked Twilight Princess. It just is very similar to OoT.

I agree it's similar to OoT. The argument is that SMG is somehow more unique and risk taking and doesn't share many similarities with Mario 64 for some reason. Hell, SMG was branded as the true sequel to Mario 64 since the moment it was released.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #134 on:** May 20, 2009, 09:04:08 PM »

fuck my typing

cool breeze · « **Reply #135 on:** May 20, 2009, 09:21:46 PM »

yeah, I'm just wondering if this is even an argument at all or just projecting preconceived beliefs. Maybe it's just me, but I see that I said if that quote "3D Zelda games" yet you still go on to list all the 2D games under one category. Actually, I don't get why this is about categories at all. It's like picking out that Gears of War has a black guy in it, therefore it's basically Tom Sawyer on the NES.

By the world being the same form, I'm talking about the positions of all the landmark areas are in the exact same places as they were in OoT. Granted the order you tackle each one isn't the same, but if looked at as an overworld, it is very similar.

The visual style of Zelda 64 and Mario 64 both were trying to be as detailed as they could be on the N64 hardware. Mario Sunshine was the Mario 64 aethetics enhanced by more powerful hardware. Twilight Princess was Zelda 64 aethetics enhanced by more powerful hardware. Mario Galaxy doesn't bother with adding more detail, actually adds less than Sunshine did, and instead has a very simple style to it. Almost a bit like Wind Waker, just not as radical a change.

and lbah blah blahaslhfdapsiodjfspodijf

This is really the worst discussion I've been part of in a while. I feel ill going this far into it. I almost want to end it by saying we are entitled to our own opinions. Actually, yeah. Leave it at that. Fucking hell.

FatalT · « **Reply #136 on:** May 20, 2009, 09:45:00 PM »

Soda Popinski can burn in hellllllllll!

Crushed · « **Reply #137 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:02:58 PM »

seriously why are you people talking about mario and zelda in here

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #138 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:04:05 PM »

cuz its a nintendo thread fool

cool breeze · « **Reply #139 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:06:20 PM »

Quote from: FatalT on May 20, 2009, 09:45:00 PM

Soda Popinski can burn in hellllllllll!

I just unlocked the defending the title mode, but Soda was easily the hardest fight in the game. I just did a perfect run and KO'd him in the first round, but it was tough.

btw, don't install this game if you use usb loader. The game freezes at times.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #140 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:22:45 PM »

my wii sometimes doesn't even load the disc :'(

did anyone have to update their wii when they put this game in?

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #141 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:36:55 PM »

Soda is hard until you realise you can dodge the same way for 75% of his attacks. Probably not a good way to do a perfect, but I can't react fast enough.

cool breeze · « **Reply #142 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:22:50 PM »

The one thing I do wish they embraced was Punch Out as a rhythm game. It would be neat if there was a Guitar Hero like training mode where you could select a a specific move of a character to repeat so you can master the timing of it.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #143 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:30:58 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on May 20, 2009, 11:22:50 PM

The one thing I do wish they embraced was Punch Out as a rhythm game. It would be neat if there was a Guitar Hero like training mode where you could select a a specific move of a character to repeat so you can master the timing of it.

I STILL can't dodge an entire Piston Hurricane sequence.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #144 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:53:32 PM »

what an awful, ugly game

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #145 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:55:18 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 20, 2009, 11:53:32 PM

what an awful, ugly game

did you ever like punch-out in the first place? I probably wouldn't have

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #146 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:13:06 AM »

Naa he prefers games with a more modern aesthetic, like Pokemon.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #147 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:18:10 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 20, 2009, 11:53:32 PM

what an awful, ugly game

You're playing it?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #148 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:29:38 AM »

Quote from: DJ_Tet on May 21, 2009, 01:13:06 AM

Naa he prefers games with a more modern aesthetic, like Pokemon.

it's established he's a statfag, so I can see why he'd like pokemon.

but it's still pokemon

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #149 on:** May 21, 2009, 04:40:04 AM »

I'd like to make a Wii Music-inspired music game/social software for Microsoft Surface.

cool breeze · « **Reply #150 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:53:14 PM »

the window for dodging and punches is so huge with motion controls it's ridiculous. I fought against Glass Joe again in title defense and was annoyed by how small the window was to get a star from his two main attacks. Then I tried out the motion controls and it's like 3 times as wide.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #151 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:56:54 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on May 21, 2009, 12:55:18 AM

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 20, 2009, 11:53:32 PM
what an awful, ugly game

did you ever like punch-out in the first place? I probably wouldn't have

bitch i played through the whole mike tyson tip as a lad of 13, and before that i put more quarters into the arcade punch-out than i can count

the game mechanics are awful and archaic, and the lame visuals don't compensate

this is a game series that needs to stay back behind the fog of nostalgia

FatalT · « **Reply #152 on:** May 21, 2009, 04:54:13 PM »

I tried the Fight Night Round 4 demo last night at a friend's house and that game sucked. I'd rather play Punch-Out than that turd.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #153 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:23:45 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 21, 2009, 01:56:54 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on May 21, 2009, 12:55:18 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 20, 2009, 11:53:32 PM
what an awful, ugly game

did you ever like punch-out in the first place? I probably wouldn't have

bitch i played through the whole mike tyson tip as a lad of 13, and before that i put more quarters into the arcade punch-out than i can count

the game mechanics are awful and archaic, and the lame visuals don't compensate

this is a game series that needs to stay back behind the fog of nostalgia

How are you playing it exactly? Did you buy a Wii again?

And if youre going to call the mechanics "archaic" you'll do well to let us know what youre comparing it to. Because I'm not aware of punch-out esque games that have made it to the states.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #154 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:25:20 AM »

well to be fair, once you've played punch-out or super punch-out, you've basically played this one

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #155 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:42:22 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2009, 01:25:20 AM

well to be fair, once you've played punch-out or super punch-out, you've basically played this one

no because this game has Donkey Kong!

demi · « **Reply #156 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:48:09 AM »

um mike tyson was in punch out nes.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #157 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:55:02 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2009, 01:25:20 AM

well to be fair, once you've played punch-out or super punch-out, you've basically played this one

No, not really. It uses the first as a foundation but theres alot more they do with this game. First punchout was "dodge everything and counter". This one is dodge, block, interrupt, etc are all required to do well, especially in Title Defense. Its more smartly designed.

cool breeze · « **Reply #158 on:** May 22, 2009, 02:46:00 AM »

It's basically the same. Like, I read that the title defense mode would be different, but it really isn't. It's still memorizing patterns and all that. It's still fun, though.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #159 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:09:17 PM »

Well, of course. That's punchout. The point is the patterns are different and require blah blah blah.
I've never played hajime something ippo, but I doubt Prole has either.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #160 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:17:45 PM »

you would be ever so wrong

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #161 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:21:31 PM »

I'm cool with that. At least I know what we're comparing THE BEST PUNCH-OUT ever to.

demi · « **Reply #162 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:21:56 PM »

you mean super punchout right

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #163 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:29:47 PM »

Super Punch-out is bleh.

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Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #164 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:32:16 PM »

i'm not comparing it to victorious boxers or any of the ippo games, though. i'm taking it unto itself: it's a tedious, boring exercise in archaic game design. it might as well be a shitty amateur flash game. that was fine back in 87, when game design was paleolithic by default. nowadays, it's unplayably embarrassing.

fuck, i felt that way about super punch-out back in 93 or whatever, when we'd moved full-on into 16-bit game design. in '09, it shouldn't even happen. ASSPIE RIGID MEMORIZATION EXERCISE CONFIRMED

Crushed · « **Reply #165 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:35:04 PM »

prole should go back to his pokeymans and leave hardcore gaming to the real gamers :'(

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #166 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:38:15 PM »

i couldn't make it even an hour into pokeymans :'(

yugioh

Crushed · « **Reply #167 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #168 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:46:33 PM »

I didn't bother with pattern memorization until Title Defense Soda Popinski. Beforehand I just reacted to their tells and guesstimated likely star earning situations. That's what nice about this game. You can play it methodically or twitch. It caters to different playstyles.

edit: And I'm still curious if you have actually played this game or are judging it by.,. youtube?

demi · « **Reply #169 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:47:12 PM »

I'm sure

cool breeze · « **Reply #170 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:59:30 PM »

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on May 22, 2009, 01:09:17 PM

Well, of course. That's punchout. The point is the patterns are different and require blah blah blah.
I've never played hajime something ippo, but I doubt Prole has either.

I mean, yeah, it's Punch Out to a t. They didn't try changing it or anything, but I wouldn't fault it for it.

I guess if you compare it to how Nintendo handled taking it's other games into 3D/advancing them, it may seem pretty poor. Excitebike on the N64 was nothing like Excitebike on the NES. F-Zero X and GX are nothing like F-Zero SNES. Both those series got changed and were enjoyable for different reasons than the originals. Punch Out is Punch Out in name and gameplay.

And Hajime no Ippo for GBA is better than any of the Punch Out games.

And I agree with Prole that Punch Out Wii is a bad looking game. I enjoy the game and all, but the style is really bad. It's made worse because you have to sit through the theatrics before getting back into the game. It still reminds me of that shitty EA kiddy boxing game they put out last year.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #171 on:** May 22, 2009, 05:26:59 PM »

would ANYONE have played this game if it didn't have a "classic" nintendo franchise name attached to it

also see: smash brothers

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #172 on:** May 22, 2009, 05:40:38 PM »

People play Wii [game] moreso than their hardcore franchises anymore, so I don't really see your point.

Oblivion · « **Reply #173 on:** May 22, 2009, 06:04:41 PM »

Smash Bros. is also a good game.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #174 on:** May 22, 2009, 06:06:44 PM »

Watch out, you're gonna get shitburgered for liking a *gasp* fun game.

demi · « **Reply #175 on:** May 22, 2009, 07:49:33 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2009, 06:06:44 PM

Watch out, you're gonna get shitburgered for liking a *gasp* fun game.

He's afraid of dying, that's the least of his worries

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #176 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:19:06 PM »

I'm considering buying another Wii for this game. Tell me i'm wrong, EB.

demi · « **Reply #177 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:22:37 PM »

wrong

unless you mean you plan on buying a USB drive to in fact use with your wii

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #178 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:25:15 PM »

What does a USB drive do with a wii? You dick head I lost my USB drive thanks for rubbing it in, it had nude photos of me on it :'(

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #179 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:30:57 PM »

If you become a dirty pirate ass like demi and softmod your wii you can play a game from any USB storage device

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Author Topic: Punch-Out Wii might actually be good (it has playable controls) (Read 24651 times)