Author Topic: Magic: The Gathering (Read 348542 times)

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2760 on:** June 06, 2020, 08:50:03 AM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2020, 02:00:29 PM

Yeah, Dog is now the preferred nomenclature at WotC; all Hounds are errata'd. Apparently it's been one of Maro's pet (no pun intended) issues.

#allhoundsmatter

Raist · « **Reply #2761 on:** June 08, 2020, 03:23:01 PM »

Breaking news: Green is still dumb.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2762 on:** June 08, 2020, 03:37:43 PM »

*Puts on Stack behind you*

Nothing personal, Greenna.

Raist · « **Reply #2763 on:** June 08, 2020, 04:02:38 PM »

Yeah I mean by that logic they could also come up with a 1GG 15/15 trample haste create 10 3/3 tokens when it attacks and you could provide the same answer. Doesn't make the card any less dumb.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2764 on:** June 08, 2020, 04:03:33 PM »

*laughs in Black Devotion*

The Wurm is back, baybee.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2765 on:** June 08, 2020, 04:14:26 PM »

Quote from: Raist on June 08, 2020, 04:02:38 PM

Yeah I mean by that logic they could also come up with a 1GG 15/15 trample haste create 10 3/3 tokens when it attacks and you could provide the same answer. Doesn't make the card any less dumb.

The Vigilance and "Gain 3 Life on Attack/Block" is dumb, sure. But the rest is typical Forest stompy bullshit.

I'd blame Power Creep more than the color, personally. We have a Teferi Planeswalker that allows two extra turns in a fucking Core Set, for instance. (Remains to be seen if it's as busted as T3feri, though probably not as much)

Raist · « **Reply #2766 on:** June 08, 2020, 04:55:50 PM »

And can use abilities on opponent's turn, because let's just keep the tradition

"Fuck the rules"
- Teferi

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2767 on:** June 09, 2020, 07:46:34 AM »

Quote from: Raist on June 08, 2020, 03:23:01 PM

Breaking news: Green is still dumb.

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Raist, I know you're angry but there was no need to meme:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/gzd8pl/poor_baneslayer_angel_poor_white/

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2768 on:** June 10, 2020, 12:34:56 PM »

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2769 on:** June 10, 2020, 12:37:19 PM »

Just sold out of Kiki Jikis

Raist · « **Reply #2770 on:** June 10, 2020, 02:01:10 PM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2020, 12:34:56 PM

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Raist · « **Reply #2771 on:** June 10, 2020, 02:32:52 PM »

After spoiling "Trapped in the tower" on 9/11, and the Death Corona shenanigans, WotC / maro can't keep getting away with it.

https://twitter.com/maro254/status/1270464726716215297

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2772 on:** June 10, 2020, 05:49:40 PM »

Quote from: Raist on June 10, 2020, 02:32:52 PM

After spoiling "Trapped in the tower" on 9/11, and the Death Corona shenanigans, WotC / maro can't keep getting away with it.

https://twitter.com/maro254/status/1270464726716215297

Speaking of which:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/depictions-racism-magic-2020-06-10

"Additionally, these cards will be banned in all sanctioned tournament play."

I mean, Invoke Prejudice's art and Gatherer coded number (1488) is "oh damn" bad luck/really bad art. But banning them when they're rotated and the cards are "functional enough" to where you can just replace the art (Crusade's original art->Crusade Elspeth's art)?

Raist · « **Reply #2773 on:** June 10, 2020, 07:00:28 PM »

Not enough. WotC should just do the right thing and remove white from MTG entirely.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2774 on:** June 10, 2020, 07:12:41 PM »

Huge blow to my Legacy Gypsies deck.

naff · « **Reply #2775 on:** June 10, 2020, 08:58:07 PM »

Quote from: thisismyusername on June 10, 2020, 05:49:40 PM

I mean, Invoke Prejudice's art and Gatherer coded number (1488) is "oh damn" bad luck/really bad art.

lol, are you actually implying the card invoke prejudice isn't intentionally racist? the card id'd later with 1488 and drawn by an overt neo-nazi?

shit like having

Cleanse: Destroy All Black Creatures
The clouds broke and the sun's rays burst forth; each foul beast in its turn faltered, and was gone.

vs.

Virtue's Ruin: Destroy All White Creatures
All must fall, and those who stand highest fall hardest.

the list goes on

wotc have a checkered af past and present

https://twitter.com/zbeg/status/1269962379925708801

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2776 on:** June 10, 2020, 10:00:12 PM »

Quote from: naff on June 10, 2020, 08:58:07 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on June 10, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
I mean, Invoke Prejudice's art and Gatherer coded number (1488) is "oh damn" bad luck/really bad art.

lol, are you actually implying the card invoke prejudice isn't intentionally racist? the card id'd later with 1488 and drawn by an overt neo-nazi?

No. More that the 1488 number in the database is just bad luck. The art is completely inexcusable.

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shit like having

Cleanse: Destroy All Black Creatures
The clouds broke and the sun's rays burst forth; each foul beast in its turn faltered, and was gone.

Foul Beast in Fantasy is general zombies and undead/unclean. Hardly a racist reading.

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vs.

Virtue's Ruin: Destroy All White Creatures
All must fall, and those who stand highest fall hardest.

I dunno about the flavor text, but the rule text is fine in context with the game. People taking that out of context is serious

material.

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wotc have a checkered af past and present

Sure. But this is (like his apology for the "hangman," "9/11 card release," and "Coronavirus Godzilla") just knee-jerking too hard. I don't disagree that Invoke Prejudice's art is "What the Christ"/racist, just like I don't disagree with the ruling on Stone-Tossing Devils or the Gypsies card ones. But I do feel banning them this far out and not going "oh we're going to hold to better standards, hire more diversity"/etc. is... pretty shallow?

I mean your Tweet basically gets at what I feel. I don't think banning these cards is necessarily a good response to those alligations.

naff · « **Reply #2777 on:** June 10, 2020, 10:16:08 PM »

Personally I think if you don't understand how stuff like Virtues Ruin (white creatures are virtuous) All must fall, and those who stand highest fall hardest. (White creatures stand above others) contrasts with the language on Cleanse and ties in with traditional Lovecraftian style nerd bigotry and racism idk what to say.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2778 on:** June 10, 2020, 10:57:32 PM »

Don't get me wrong: I can understand why most of the cards are banned/looked at. I just don't think (with the obvious Invoke Prejudice being the exception obviously) the majority of them need to be banned. *shrug* Have it be a "we're going to do better than these" and prove it in the card design with a more diverse cast.

That's just me.

naff · « **Reply #2779 on:** June 10, 2020, 11:11:53 PM »

agreed to an extent, but people at wotc are scared of what seems like a number of their peoples very real affection (at least apologia and complicity) for white supremacy doing them harm so they're going to take a pretty heavy handed approach in this regard. is a card like Crusade making reference to a jingoistic war by christians against muslims and how it got white people het up bad? i dont necessarily think so. is it bad in context coming from a company with an anglo centric perspective that's been entirely comfortable with racism for decades? yeah

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2780 on:** June 10, 2020, 11:18:09 PM »

Sure, I'll agree to that.

I guess what I'm getting at is that the bans (bar the obvious one) is kind of dumb. Banning Gypsy over a slur when the rest of the card is (IMO) fine is "dumb," to me. I get why (avoid offense) but surely they could reprint the card with a better title and offer a replacement or just "don't use this at tournaments, use this newer one" guideline or something?

I mean even /r/MagicTCG, their "official" subreddit is along the lines of "I can understand why they're doing it, but it seems a little dumb and heavy-handed."

Apparently most of the cards that are on this are Reserve Listed if I'm looking at the right places, so it's a no-win situation all around on fixing the ones that have some minor contentions but could be fixed with a newer printing/replacement.

naff · « **Reply #2781 on:** June 10, 2020, 11:24:48 PM »

it's like all those random c tier celebs that got cancelled and laid off as part of metoo but people like polanski are still rolling around getting awards. none of these cards see play, and nothing of value was lost so it was an easy decision. no doubt if it was a competitive card on the line the process would be more complex (i imagine a functional reprint and a bigger apology). i cant think of anything competitive (or even popular) that's a potential atm though.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2782 on:** June 11, 2020, 08:42:08 AM »

"All we have time for right now is a quick statement: we're locking this thread and others on the same topic, in order to slow down the torrent of stuff flowing into our mod queue and let us catch up on all of it. We'll revisit this once the queue is a bit less clogged."

lol. /r/MagicTCG about to go ResetEra since some folks are like "This is extremely dumb/heavy-handed while good intentioned."

At least they have the thread up and haven't nuked it, though.

Related though:

https://twitter.com/CubeApril/status/1270837107695681537

#Oop

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2783 on:** June 11, 2020, 11:42:51 AM »

Teferi's waifu makes an appearance

First ability is make a creature with power 2 or less unblockable, second ability is discard your hand and draw a card whenever a creature with power 2 or less deals damage to a player. Seems kewl.

Raist · « **Reply #2784 on:** June 15, 2020, 02:35:46 PM »

I can't wait to see the geniuses on MTGA try to blink this with their Yorion and whatnot to reset the counters.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2785 on:** June 15, 2020, 05:06:18 PM »

Cryptic-er Command

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2786 on:** June 15, 2020, 05:35:54 PM »

Quote from: Raist on June 15, 2020, 02:35:46 PM

I can't wait to see the geniuses on MTGA try to blink this with their Yorion and whatnot to reset the counters.

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Wouldn't that not work and the counters stay?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2787 on:** June 15, 2020, 05:42:07 PM »

Quote from: thisismyusername on June 15, 2020, 05:35:54 PM

Quote from: Raist on June 15, 2020, 02:35:46 PM
I can't wait to see the geniuses on MTGA try to blink this with their Yorion and whatnot to reset the counters.

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Wouldn't that not work and the counters stay?

No, it would work....then you would die because it's left the battlefield.

naff · « **Reply #2788 on:** June 15, 2020, 05:58:53 PM »

could be a pioneer pillowfort deck in there (solemnity etc)

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2020, 05:06:18 PM

Cryptic-er Command

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big U

prob goes in nearly every u edh deck

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2789 on:** June 22, 2020, 07:07:27 PM »

I'm starting to get the shakes from paper Modern withdrawal. Even this Sultai Snow deck looks good to me.

Raist · « **Reply #2790 on:** June 22, 2020, 07:56:07 PM »

Quote from: naff on June 15, 2020, 05:58:53 PM

could be a pioneer pillowfort deck in there (solemnity etc)

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
Cryptic-er Command

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big U

Fuck U

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2791 on:** June 23, 2020, 11:07:14 PM »

There'sNoNeedToBeUpset.gif

Play Dimir. You get least get something other than Islands.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2792 on:** June 24, 2020, 12:41:33 AM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/heqsg3/the_new_wording_on_grindstone_means_that_with/

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2793 on:** June 27, 2020, 05:29:32 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/hgpoxa/otm_one_turn_mill/

OwO Mill deck.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2794 on:** June 27, 2020, 05:39:31 PM »

If you haven't killed your opponent by that point you deserve to lose to a stupid fucking mill meme deck

Raist · « **Reply #2795 on:** June 27, 2020, 08:22:40 PM »

Peer + Underworld is probably more satisfying.

+ Ob Nix because why not.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2796 on:** July 03, 2020, 01:05:19 PM »

Well I guess they've learned their lesson and there's no longer going to be ridiculously overpowered decks in stand-

WOTC PLZ

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2797 on:** July 03, 2020, 11:47:25 PM »

Ugin, Spirit Daddy

Transhuman · « **Reply #2798 on:** July 04, 2020, 02:35:35 AM »

I'm buying a guy's collection. He got at least 1 Tropical Island a revised Wheel of Fortune (they're like $200). He only plays Yu-Gi-Oh.

How much should I pay to not feel bad about it

naff · « **Reply #2799 on:** July 04, 2020, 06:13:28 AM »

are they wealthy or not?

Transhuman · « **Reply #2800 on:** July 04, 2020, 10:46:42 AM »

Idk.

I payed way too much cause I felt like being decent.fuck

Raist · « **Reply #2801 on:** July 04, 2020, 01:21:34 PM »

Especially since they're probably counterfeit.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2802 on:** July 04, 2020, 01:28:43 PM »

Quote from: Raist on July 04, 2020, 01:21:34 PM

Especially since they're probably counterfeit.

God that'll be hilarious if true. He could just save money and get Chinese Black Lotuses to play.

naff · « **Reply #2803 on:** July 04, 2020, 06:02:19 PM »

lol. have you had the authenticity checked yet? keen to hear more about this haul.

I once got a collection for nothing frm a colleague that had an unlimited demonic tutor and a fair few other decent pieces. I kinda knew it was worth a few hundred but dude is p wealthy, owns a few houses freehold etc so I just told him I couldn't be bothered pricing the collection up figuring he'd take a low ball offer but he just gave it to me.

Transhuman · « **Reply #2804 on:** July 04, 2020, 08:36:09 PM »

It was just a bunch of old shit. Mostly third and forth. I'm just gonna sell it to someone else for what I payed, but i'm gonna keep the Tropical Island.

Highlights are Wheel of Fortune (3rd), In the Eye of Chaos, Sylvan Library (4th), 2 Mana Vaults (3rd and 4th), 3 Concordant Crossroads (Chronicles), 2 Land Tax (4th), 2 Maze of Ith (The Dark), Necropotence (Ice Age), Fork (Revised), Goblin Wizard (The Dark), 2 City of Brass (Chronicles), Winds of Change (4th).4 Strip Mine (4th), Mana Vortex (The Dark), 2 Blood Moons (Chronicles), 4 Demonic Consultation (Ice Age), Sol Ring (Revised)

So I payed about $1100 (760USD), and that's all the cards above $15, and there's a ton of $5-15 cards (there's like 20 Ashnod's Altars), so i'm just gonna reflip the everything. So i'm still making a profit, but I feel bad because I could have REALLY made a profit if I had told the guy evwryrhing was shit and i'd give him 200 for the lot, or something like that.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2805 on:** July 04, 2020, 08:42:47 PM »

If there's an Invoke Prejudice in there, you'll hit the $500 (and raising last I checked) pay-dirt.

Transhuman · « **Reply #2806 on:** July 04, 2020, 09:38:48 PM »

Transhuman · « **Reply #2807 on:** July 04, 2020, 09:41:38 PM »

Actually there was a Crusade in there that I can't sell now, because acknowledging the crusades happened is racist, or something.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2808 on:** July 04, 2020, 10:39:18 PM »

Crusade at least going by Ebay and Troll and Toad isn't as high. IT's a cool $50 USD, unless it's a foil which is like $80.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2809 on:** July 05, 2020, 06:26:54 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2810 on:** July 05, 2020, 10:52:49 PM »

accurate, except for the part where people are playing Vintage

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2811 on:** July 07, 2020, 12:52:43 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/hmswvb/hey_magic_card_howd_you_get_so_buff/

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2812 on:** July 07, 2020, 06:44:24 PM »

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/goat-magic-can-standard-bant-beat-modern-jund

Uro, T3feri, Krasis, and Nissa, Who Shakes the World can even outvalue Modern Jund.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2813 on:** July 13, 2020, 11:47:28 AM »

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/july-13-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2020-07-13?ws

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2814 on:** July 13, 2020, 11:52:03 AM »

Can't wait for this to totally fail to curb Urza. One step closer to a blanket ban of Modern Horizons.

Raist · « **Reply #2815 on:** July 13, 2020, 02:59:02 PM »

Burning tree emissary is banned, while nonsense like Wilderness Reclamation is OK? All right then

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2816 on:** July 13, 2020, 03:03:28 PM »

Quote from: Raist on July 13, 2020, 02:59:02 PM

Burning tree emissary is banned, while nonsense like Wilderness Reclamation is OK? All right then

Wizards: Free mana is bad!

Also Wizards:

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2817 on:** July 13, 2020, 03:45:31 PM »

More like "Why can't I hold all these Wildcards for crafting the bans."

I probably am eating 3 for the Nexus re-ban, however. But now I got a full playset.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #2818 on:** July 13, 2020, 05:15:22 PM »

Found Raist's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/hqks7o/r_i_p_nexus_now_satan_is_taking_endless_turns_in/fxytu66/

naff · « **Reply #2819 on:** July 13, 2020, 06:40:48 PM »

im interested in what magic raist actually likes. dont think ive ever read a post from them that isn't whinging about some cards or archetype.

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