Author Topic: So another MGS game.... (Read 7052 times)

Bebpo · « **on:** March 26, 2009, 05:07:57 PM »

At Kojima's panel he sorta announced that he's working on the next MGS game I guess.

Even though I didn't like MGS4 that much, I think I'm ok with this because it seems like the team struggled A LOT at getting their ideas working within the limits of the PS3 tech that they thought was going to be way better technology. So now that the team knows the hardware and especially if the team isn't limited to FINISHING THE [totally convoluted] MGS STORY like they were in 4, a fresh MGS game could be a return to the quality of MGS3.

I guess we'll see some sort of non-game footage teaser at E3 along with maybe the Substance version of MGS4 for X360/PS3.

Rman · « **Reply #1 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:12:35 PM »

Do people even believe him anymore? He's been saying this since MGS2. He needs to stfu about it already. It's almost as he's ashamed about working on a new MGS game.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #2 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:13:03 PM »

i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game. i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.

will buy day one regardless because i like the abuse

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:14:12 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 05:13:03 PM

i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game.

You shut the FUCK UP.

Rman · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:15:17 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 05:13:03 PM

i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game. i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.

will buy day one regardless because i like the abuse

I agree. I'm tired of the cutscenes. RE5 felt like fresh air when it came to the cut scene pacing--nice and short.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #5 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:15:44 PM »

I thought the first 1/2 to 2/3 of MGS4 was awesome, but then it got weird.

I'd actually like a Raiden prequel set between MGS2 and MGS4...

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:15:46 PM »

YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Veidt · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:18:32 PM »

Wait, anyone have a link to said article?

Rman · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:19:05 PM »

It not an article. It's his GDC keynote, which just ended. No MGS4 for 360 announced for those who care. Only a new PS3 installment of the MGS series.

Himu · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:21:50 PM »

I haven't played MGS4 yet but I kinda thing I'm done with MGS

it's not like they'll ever get better than 1-3

Veidt · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:22:18 PM »

Seriously? wow. Another MGS PS3 game?

Can't wait.

NME · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:22:54 PM »

This is not at all surprising and yet completely awesome news.

Also, remake the first two MSX Metal Gear games.

TVC15 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:24:59 PM »

Kojima probably feels the need to take another crack at the series since he just took the crown of "Worst MGS" from Dyack.

Veidt · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:26:27 PM »

Quote from: NME on March 26, 2009, 05:22:54 PM

This is not at all surprising and yet completely awesome news.

Also, remake the first two MSX Metal Gear games.

Best post ever. I can't wait for the inevitable GAF thread

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #14 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:31:15 PM »

Quote

i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game. i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.

IIRC, they did initially intend to cut down on cutscenes for MGS4, it's just that when they got down to actually making the cutscenes, there was too much they wanted to put in and they couldn't do it.

oh here we go:

Quote

Speaking of which... we didn't see the very beginning of the game in this demo. Is that something that you've addressed?

RP: Oh, the long cinematics?

Yeah.

RP: Yeah, that was the plan at the very beginning. Mr. Kojima understands that fans -- well, not fans, since fans probably enjoy the long cinematics -- but people criticized the game for having long cinematics. The original plan for MGS4 was to shorten those, but as the story got bigger and bigger, and as we had to fill in more and more information -- because this really is the last story of Solid Snake -- the cutscenes are pretty much what you expect from a Metal Gear game now.

dark1x · « **Reply #15 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:31:52 PM »

If this is true, it likely has the chance of reaching the heights of MGS3 for the reasons bebpo stated. I think they could really do something incredible.

MGS3, I thought, had the perfect mix of cutscenes and gameplay. It still had plenty of cutscenes at points (for the fans), but never flooded the player with them (until the very end). MGS4 was just too heavy on the cutscenes for me, which I did not expect.

Veidt · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:34:31 PM »

MGS3 was great. I imagine Koji-Pro can do so much with this MGS4 engine. MGS5 could really be amazing, especially after the feedback they received from their last installment.

P.S

Bring back optional codecs!

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #17 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:37:03 PM »

Konami needs to rein in Kojima and stop his patriotic tendencies from interfering with making money. It makes no sense to make another exclusive for a platform that not only has the smallest userbase but is also the hardest to program for.

Kojima claims it's not about console wars for him and he wished that he had made MGS4 for the PC instead. I'll like to see him put his money where his mouth is and make the next MGS for all the consoles and the PC.

Quote from: distantmantra on March 26, 2009, 05:15:44 PM

I thought the first 1/2 to 2/3 of MGS4 was awesome, but then it got weird.

I'd actually like a Raiden prequel set between MGS2 and MGS4...

I don't get the sudden love for Raiden. He's still a dork. Mouth sword?

Himu · « **Reply #18 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:38:52 PM »

Why do people think Kojima makes all the decisions?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:39:05 PM »

The dude is a one trick pony.

Himu · « **Reply #20 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:39:43 PM »

Kojima

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #21 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:40:05 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on March 26, 2009, 05:24:59 PM

Kojima probably feels the need to take another crack at the series since he just took the crown of "Worst MGS" from Dyack.

aw, haha

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #22 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:41:54 PM »

MGS5 needs to be a sequel to Portable Ops. Let me play as Big Boss again plz

Veidt · « **Reply #23 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:43:20 PM »

So how official is this announcement? Or are we just putting pieces together?

Rman · « **Reply #24 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:43:29 PM »

Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Bebpo · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:43:47 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:41:54 PM

MGS5 needs to be a sequel to Portable Ops. Let me play as Big Boss again plz

I'm sure that's still coming as Portable Ops 2...someday.

Bebpo · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:44:40 PM »

Quote from: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:43:20 PM

So how official is this announcement? Or are we just putting pieces together?

Veidt · « **Reply #27 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:45:21 PM »

holy shit

Why is GAF taking so long to post a thread on this, so I can enjoy the meltdowns

Edit: 2 sec later, there's the thread!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=356609

Hopefully this will go well.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #28 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:45:53 PM »

Portable OPs was ruined by the PSP's inherently terrible controls. People laugh at the notion of using a PS3 controller to play a PSP game but I could see myself doing that for MGS:PO.

Bebpo · « **Reply #29 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:46:08 PM »

btw, I'm sure it'll be X360/PS3. There's really no reason to do another exclusive at this point. Though it might be that the team concentrates on 1 system (since that's what Kojima likes to do) and outsources porting it to the other system.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:46:24 PM »

Quote from: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:43:29 PM

Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:46:35 PM »

Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.

Lafiel · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:46:35 PM

Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.

Why would you want to play the game with classic MGS controls eh? MGS 4 controls are SO SO much better then all the previous games. Play the game for more then a hour, you'll get used to it.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #33 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:49:01 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:46:35 PM

Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls?

wha...

Bebpo · « **Reply #34 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:50:23 PM »

Quote from: dark1x on March 26, 2009, 05:31:52 PM

MGS4 was just too heavy on the cutscenes for me, which I did not expect.

MGS4's problems (outside of where he went with the plot) were:
-Too many cutscenes that were too long
-Act 3 first half was nice and different but there needed to be a shortcut way to skip it on replays because it's boring after the first time
-Act 4 was cute for nostalgia but having 1/5th the game with NO ENEMIES was terrible
-Act 5 was great but it was 1 room long

It's too bad because the first 2 acts are excellent and very much "next-gen" MGS.

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:46:35 PM

Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.

The controls are pretty good....just play the game already.

Rman · « **Reply #35 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:50:40 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 05:46:24 PM

Quote from: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

From the Kotaku liveblog of his keynote.

"The updated mission: Use the actual power of the PS3 to create the ultimate stealth game."

Himu · « **Reply #36 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:51:14 PM »

They are not better than classic controls.

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

Having shooting on R1 is stupid. I'd rather play with old MGS controls than that crap.

Bebpo · « **Reply #37 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:52:02 PM »

Quote from: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:50:40 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

From the Kotaku liveblog of his keynote.

"The updated mission: Use the actual power of the PS3 to create the ultimate stealth game."

That quote is about MGS4 development and what they tried to do

Rman · « **Reply #38 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:52:51 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:52:02 PM

Quote from: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

From the Kotaku liveblog of his keynote.

"The updated mission: Use the actual power of the PS3 to create the ultimate stealth game."

That quote is about MGS4 development and what they tried to do

Rman annihilated.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #39 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:54:54 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:51:14 PM

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

what the fuck does this have to do with controls

you're so backwards.
look at your resident evil 5 avatar
fuck
what is wrong with your world.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #40 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:56:10 PM »

A next Metal Gear is...?!

Himu · « **Reply #41 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:58:45 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:54:54 PM

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:51:14 PM

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

what the fuck does this have to do with controls

you're so backwards.
look at your resident evil 5 avatar
fuck
what is wrong with your world.

From what I've played it's MGS3-lite as well.

How am I backwards? RE5 is amazing.

Veidt · « **Reply #42 on:** March 26, 2009, 05:59:14 PM »

MGS is awesome and unique. Well worth my PS3 purchase. If the next MGS is on Nintendo Wii-2 or "MeToo" or "WiiTu". I'll definitely pick it up. Hell, even if it's a boardgame : P

Positive Touch · « **Reply #43 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:00:09 PM »

recursive - i had heard that too. it's just that, as many people have been saying since way back when mgs1 came out, dude reeeally needs an editor. there is no reason why a scene were two guys sit on a plane and say "now let's go here to get the bad guy" should be 20+ minutes long.

TVC15 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:00:15 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:58:45 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 05:51:14 PM

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

what the fuck does this have to do with controls

you're so backwards.
look at your resident evil 5 avatar
fuck
what is wrong with your world.

From what I've played it's MGS3-lite as well.

How am I backwards? RE5 is amazing.

Himuro, RE5 is fuck terrible. As for MGS4, you really don't have to play it. This image sums up everything worth knowing about the game:

Himu · « **Reply #45 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:01:28 PM »

RE5 is amazing, you take that back!

Bebpo · « **Reply #46 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 06:01:28 PM

RE5 is amazing, you take that back!

But the irony is killer, you do see that right?

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #47 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:03:01 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 26, 2009, 06:01:48 PM

That part was fucking amazing. I wasn't even sure it happened it was so bad.

is that Mount Rushmore with Ocelot? wtf is that

I am so glad I didn't play MGS4

Positive Touch · « **Reply #48 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:03:29 PM »

i never noticed that they actually put solidus' collar in there

Himu · « **Reply #49 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:04:03 PM »

RE5 has Mercs.

Does MGS4 have Mercs?

Bebpo · « **Reply #50 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:04:51 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 06:04:03 PM

RE5 has Mercs.

Does MGS4 have Mercs?

It has online versus that doesn't cost $5.

Himu · « **Reply #51 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:06:14 PM »

But who wants to play Versus? I want to play Mercs.

Veidt · « **Reply #52 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:06:47 PM »

Himuro.

MGS4 includes the ability to WALK WHILE AIMING.

Does RE5 have THAT?

Himu · « **Reply #53 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:08:05 PM »

RE5 doesn't need that though.

Diunx · « **Reply #54 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:09:19 PM »

So will this be a prequel? Raiden got all his limbs reattached at the end of the game.

Or maybe he realize how much he sucks and is wearing an cyborg ninja armor that increase his abilities.

Solid Snake

Bebpo · « **Reply #55 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 06:08:05 PM

RE5 doesn't need that though.

MGS4 doesn't need to be able to DUCK when in a locker, either.

TVC15 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:09:53 PM »

I'll tell you what RE5 needs: A dead single player co-op whore and a less bad inventory.

Himu · « **Reply #57 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:11:23 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 06:09:26 PM

Quote from: Himuro on March 26, 2009, 06:08:05 PM
RE5 doesn't need that though.

MGS4 doesn't need to be able to DUCK when in a locker, either.

Yes it does. I could do it in MGS2 and 3. Even Twin Snakes lets you do it.

Veidt · « **Reply #58 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:12:02 PM »

Snake is wealthy enough to have an iPod.

Lafiel · « **Reply #59 on:** March 26, 2009, 06:12:27 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 26, 2009, 05:31:15 PM

Quote
i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game. i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.

IIRC, they did initially intend to cut down on cutscenes for MGS4, it's just that when they got down to actually making the cutscenes, there was too much they wanted to put in and they couldn't do it.

oh here we go:

Quote
Speaking of which... we didn't see the very beginning of the game in this demo. Is that something that you've addressed?

RP: Oh, the long cinematics?

Yeah.

RP: Yeah, that was the plan at the very beginning. Mr. Kojima understands that fans -- well, not fans, since fans probably enjoy the long cinematics -- but people criticized the game for having long cinematics. The original plan for MGS4 was to shorten those, but as the story got bigger and bigger, and as we had to fill in more and more information -- because this really is the last story of Solid Snake -- the cutscenes are pretty much what you expect from a Metal Gear game now.

That's funny most of the long cutscenes eg the briefings, where way TO long, and badly in need of some editing.
I didn't mind the long long long cutscene at the end though. And the one at the end of act 3.

News:

Author Topic: So another MGS game.... (Read 7052 times)