Author Topic: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation (Read 5959 times)

ShogunOfFear · « **on:** April 03, 2009, 03:46:56 PM »

# Story Highlights
# NEW: Four people killed in shooting in Binghamton, New York, source says
# NEW: CNN affiliate WBNG-TV reports 12 people killed; 2 men led away in cuffs
# NEW: There may be 20 to 40 people taken hostage, source says
# Shootings occurred at American Civic Association, which helps immigrants, refugees

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/03/binghamton.shooting/index.html

Holy shit wtf is wrong people? Hopefully the hostages are alright.

Rman · « **Reply #1 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:04:03 PM »

Jesus.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:15:57 PM »

My aunt and cousins live in binghamton.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #3 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:21:23 PM »

Sadly, bet this guy turns out to be a Lou Dobbs watching nationalist nutbar.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #4 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:24:11 PM »

Maybe, but remeber those virginia sniper shootings? Those were supposedly a white guy ala OK city bombings...

Diunx · « **Reply #5 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:24:57 PM »

For some reason I'm imaging the shooter being Russian.

ShogunOfFear · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:25:53 PM »

The local media is reporting the shooter as a young asian male, but his motives not yet confirmed.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:34:36 PM »

Hopefully this will get New York to pass concealed-carry laws. It's crazy that people can just be slaughtered like sheep and not be allowed to defend themselves.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:38:00 PM »

That is about an hour east of where I live.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:40:56 PM »

It wasn't a white guy? Triumph annihilated?

Veidt · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:04:46 PM »

It's always the Asians!

DEY Tuk ARRR JAABBS

brawndolicious · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:50:43 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 04:34:36 PM

Hopefully this will get New York to pass concealed-carry laws. It's crazy that people can just be slaughtered like sheep and not be allowed to defend themselves.

I don't want to get into a second amendment fight, but I'm sure that NY has a bigger problem with mugging murderers than with hostage murderers. Although these situations always get more attention.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2009, 02:40:35 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 04:34:36 PM

Hopefully this will get New York to pass concealed-carry laws. It's crazy that people can just be slaughtered like sheep and not be allowed to defend themselves.

Yes, a bunch of citizens with guns would have made this situation end much better

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2009, 04:22:07 PM »

It would have...

brawndolicious · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:12:38 PM »

can non-citizens even get firearms? even if they could, most non-americans dislike guns because of the high amount of gun crime in the US.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:15:09 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 04:22:07 PM

It would have...

no, it really wouldn't have. Bunch of fucking people who don't know how to shoot a gun, shooting wildly at someone?

There's no proof that that would work.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:19:04 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 04:22:07 PM

It would have...

No it would not. It would result in a bigger firefight, fragging, etc.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:49:26 PM »

Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

TVC15 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:50:16 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 06:49:26 PM

Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

These were people taking immigration tests. I really doubt anyone there could even legally carry guns.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:18:01 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 06:49:26 PM

Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

well then fuck texas

Veidt · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:19:59 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 06:49:26 PM

Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

I dunno, I can brady bill pretty fast.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:02:45 PM »

Speaking of gun nuts: http://kdka.com/local/officers.shot.Stanton.2.975820.html

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One friend, Edward Perkovic, said Poplawski feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon."

smh

Eric P · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:08:18 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 06:49:26 PM

Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

that sure happened in killeen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard

Eric P · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:09:23 PM »

which is connected to a military base

so if anyone would have been the whole proof of concept for "gun culture saves lives" that event sure as hell would have been it

except, it wasn't.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #24 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:13:05 PM »

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About 80 people were in the restaurant at the time. During the shooting, Hennard approached Suzanna Gratia Hupp and her parents. Hupp had actually brought a handgun to the Luby's Cafeteria that day, but had left it in her vehicle due to the laws in force at the time, forbidding citizens from carrying firearms. According to her later testimony in favor of Missouri's HB-1720 bill[1] and in general [2][3], after she realized that her firearm was not in her purse, but "a hundred feet away in [her] car", her father charged at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him, only to be gunned down; a short time later, her mother was also shot and killed. (Hupp later expressed regret for abiding by the law in question by leaving her firearm in her car, rather than keeping it on her person[1].)

Eric P annihilated also. Anyone else?

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:13:57 PM »

Concealed Carry saved multiple lives in this instance:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=110522&provider=top

I could link to half a dozen more that have occurred in Ohio since we passed the law. This is just the most recent one.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:14:53 PM »

So isolated incidents where it actually worked out is better evidence than people being able to go apeshit with these things?

No, I'm sorry, I don't trust people.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:19:19 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 04, 2009, 11:14:53 PM

So isolated incidents where people go apeshit with these things is enough not to trust people?

fixed

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:23:36 PM »

Liberal d-bags annihilated in this thread.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:25:59 PM »

wikipedia is so cool
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres

also FOC isn't Ron Paul for gun control? How can you be against it?

brawndolicious · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:27:08 PM »

It's more common for guns to be used for crime than it is for them to be used for vigilantism. The problem is that this guy was in the last place you would expect somebody to have a firearm. Either because they couldn't legally get one or most likely because they just don't want one.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 04, 2009, 11:13:57 PM

Concealed Carry saved multiple lives in this instance:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=110522&provider=top
I could link to half a dozen more that have occurred in Ohio since we passed the law. This is just the most recent one.

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AlohaDawg wrote:
Big Scotty, that is the exact attitude that well educated and informed gun owners hate the most. If you are waiting for the chance to shoot someone, give up your gun because there is a lot more to responsible gun ownership than willingness to shoot. People who respect and defend the right to bear arms should also respect life and understand that any taking of life is tragic, even if it is justifiable. It should always be absolutely the last resort.

The story doesn't even mention that the robber had a gun. I'm guessing that the owner just saved a few hundred dollars that day, not anybody's life. Maybe you should link some of the other stories?

And Texas is infamous for having murderous road rage passed off as self-defense. Idiots LOVE guns. That doesn't mean that all gun owners are idiots but it does mean that we don't live in a perfect world.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:27:31 PM »

Damn guns and their causing of the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre of 1572!!!!!

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:43:42 PM »

Well I'l just bow out, it's not worth talking about. Really blows for the families, and it's very tragic.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2009, 11:56:22 PM »

Yeah, easy access to guns sure helped those cops in Pittsburgh today who were responding to a domestic disturbance call and got shot down by a gun nut who was afraid that Obama was gonna take his guns.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #34 on:** April 05, 2009, 12:03:58 AM »

Oh wow, also looks like the Binghamton gunman was wearing body armor. The maniac in Pittsburgh had a bulletproof vest and an ak-47- HE shot from his bedroom window at an armored swat vehicle and medics that arrived to help the first officers on the scene, who by the way died there. But I'm sure if only some guy had had a crappy 9mm or .32 pistol on them all of this could have been averted. Let's not stop to think that it took these guys having a fucking small arsenal themselves is what caused this, nope.

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I myself own two handguns, a rifle and a shotgun, but I don't think I should be allowed to carry them wherever the fuck I want and conceal them.

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FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #35 on:** April 05, 2009, 12:32:40 AM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 05, 2009, 12:03:58 AM

I myself own two handguns, a rifle and a shotgun, but I don't think I should be allowed to carry them wherever the fuck I want and conceal them.

If only criminals shared your view.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #36 on:** April 05, 2009, 12:46:38 AM »

Suck it bitches!! FoC is right again. Yeah yeah thats right. You like it bitch.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #37 on:** April 06, 2009, 07:29:55 PM »

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001115/

What the fuck? How did reporters not stop this dude and say "uhh...what?"

tiesto · « **Reply #38 on:** April 06, 2009, 07:58:54 PM »

I still can't believe this happened in Binghamton of all places, sleepy little upstate NY town. This whole situation was so fucked $:-\$

Oblivion · « **Reply #39 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:09:11 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2009, 11:26:42 PM

Why is it that every fucking tragedy has to be seen principally through the lense of idiotic political views? Can't you fucking idiots just realize that that something horrific happened and dwell on that for a moment.

Agreed. Hopefully all the black men responsible for this will be brought to justice.

Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 04, 2009, 11:56:22 PM

Yeah, easy access to guns sure helped those cops in Pittsburgh today who were responding to a domestic disturbance call and got shot down by a gun nut who was afraid that Obama was gonna take his guns.

Okay, I was responding to something like this yesterday, but I thought I read it wrong cause the some of your other statements made it seem like you were being facetious, but just to clarify, are you for or against gun control?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #40 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM »

I am for some gun control. I don't need to have assault weapons, and neither does anyone else. Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to own a gun. If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting a gun.

Eric P · « **Reply #41 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:17:01 AM »

http://gawker.com/5201888/binghamton-killers-polite-deranged-letter

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #42 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:18:48 AM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM

I am for some speech control. I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else. Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely. If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #43 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:29:41 AM »

that has to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged analogy ever

Eric P · « **Reply #44 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:31:26 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on April 07, 2009, 11:29:41 AM

that has to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged analogy ever

aren't you glad you didn't have to wait three days to type that out?

now, don't you wish that anyone could buy a gun that easily?

i would buy guns from amazon and have them overnighted with my Prime membership and then no one would fuck with me.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #45 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:33:46 AM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 07, 2009, 11:18:48 AM

Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM
I am for some speech control. I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else. Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely. If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

Well, I have to say that I agree with everything you edited in there, because it could in theory keep you from posting on the internets or maybe even talking at all. And that would be 31 different flavors of AWESOME.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #46 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:35:20 AM »

Spoken like a true liberal.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #47 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:38:42 AM »

Tell me, O Champeen of Liberty and Protector of TEH CONSTITUTION, what do you take away from the 2nd Amendment?

T-Short · « **Reply #48 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:54:46 AM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 07, 2009, 11:18:48 AM

Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM
I am for some speech control. I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else. Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely. If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #49 on:** April 07, 2009, 12:02:26 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 07, 2009, 11:18:48 AM

I am for some speech control. I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else. Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely. If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Wow.

Tauntaun · « **Reply #50 on:** April 07, 2009, 12:05:11 PM »

I just want a .50 cal sniper rifle one day with a super awesome scope that can use night vision and heat sensors.

I'd just look at it and jizz a lot.

ShogunOfFear · « **Reply #51 on:** April 07, 2009, 03:09:44 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 07, 2009, 11:18:48 AM

Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM
I am for some speech control. I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else. Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely. If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

:kylielaff

tiesto · « **Reply #52 on:** April 07, 2009, 03:45:18 PM »

Quote from: Eric P on April 07, 2009, 11:31:26 AM

Quote from: Professor Prole on April 07, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
that has to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged analogy ever

aren't you glad you didn't have to wait three days to type that out?

now, don't you wish that anyone could buy a gun that easily?

i would buy guns from amazon and have them overnighted with my Prime membership and then no one would fuck with me.

Or, just pick them up at the local Gamestop:

News:

Author Topic: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation (Read 5959 times)