Star Trek fans bash new film as "fun, watchable"

[Cheebs]

Solo used to be the king of box office analysis but seemed to got scared and stopped doing it when he got TDK way wrong 

[Fresh Prince]

PD do you sit next to your moms or just behind your moms like Cheebs?

[ferrarimanf355]

I loved it.

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The way Nero screamed "SPOCK!" at the top of his lungs was awesome. 

Also, whoever cast Simon Pegg as Scotty nailed it. The only other time I could say that was when I learned that Snoop Dogg was cast as Huggy Bear in the Starsky and Hutch movie.

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[brawndolicious]

I just watched it and I agree that it is "fun and watchable".  But not anymore than Firefly.

The thing I disliked the most was how much they cut out.  You can easily tell that this was a (packed) 3 hour movie with an hour of content cut out.  It just feels like there's too little backstory for a lot of the (main) characters and there's not a lot of build-up to a lot of plot elements (like spock and ahura).

I like what they added though with the time travel and the Scotty's warp tech, but the other origin stories were really fucking corny.  The birth scene and Spock's childhood were lolworthy.

 I liked it more than I expected to, but this movie will have a fucking awesome DVD with probably around an extra hour of "mandatory" content.  It is actually nice to watch it in a theater though because of how awesome the sound and visuals were for the action scenes.

[Cheebs]

I just watched it and I agree that it is "fun and watchable".  But not anymore than Firefly.

The thing I disliked the most was how much they cut out.  You can easily tell that this was a (packed) 3 hour movie with an hour of content cut out.  It just feels like there's too little backstory for a lot of the (main) characters and there's not a lot of build-up to a lot of plot elements (like spock and ahura).

I like what they added though with the time travel and the Scotty's warp tech, but the other origin stories were really fucking corny.  The birth scene and Spock's childhood were lolworthy.

 I liked it more than I expected to, but this movie will have a fucking awesome DVD with probably around an extra hour of "mandatory" content.  It is actually nice to watch it in a theater though because of how awesome the sound and visuals were for the action scenes.

Abrams cut out an entire side plot about Bana and his group being arrested by klingons and put on a klingon prison planet and it having them escape and attack the entire fleet. Pretty lengthy bit there cut out.

[brawndolicious]

I'm reading up on it, apparently that was meant to explain where Nero was (getting waterboarded?) for the two decades after the Kelvin attack...

Some fans are blaming Abrams but it's obvious that the studios fucked around with this to get an extra screening per night.  The DVD will probably fix most of my problems with this movie but it's seriously fucked up how much that got cut.

[Phoenix Dark]

why didn't you go with them?

Not interested in seeing it. I'll wait until someone rents it for Christmas

for someone who talks about movies a lot you seem to rarely go.

I go, just to things I'm interested in. Most of the folks I trust are saying either

"meh it's alright"

or

"meh, was kinda bad"

[Solo]

I just watched it and I agree that it is "fun and watchable".  But not anymore than Firefly.

The thing I disliked the most was how much they cut out.  You can easily tell that this was a (packed) 3 hour movie with an hour of content cut out.  It just feels like there's too little backstory for a lot of the (main) characters and there's not a lot of build-up to a lot of plot elements (like spock and ahura).

I like what they added though with the time travel and the Scotty's warp tech, but the other origin stories were really fucking corny.  The birth scene and Spock's childhood were lolworthy.

 I liked it more than I expected to, but this movie will have a fucking awesome DVD with probably around an extra hour of "mandatory" content.  It is actually nice to watch it in a theater though because of how awesome the sound and visuals were for the action scenes.

Abrams cut out an entire side plot about Bana and his group being arrested by klingons and put on a klingon prison planet and it having them escape and attack the entire fleet. Pretty lengthy bit there cut out.

Any chance of this surfacing on the DVD/BD in a director's cut? Im sure it would make it in there as a deleted scene, but Id rather see it within the flow of the movie.

[Cheebs]

I just watched it and I agree that it is "fun and watchable".  But not anymore than Firefly.

The thing I disliked the most was how much they cut out.  You can easily tell that this was a (packed) 3 hour movie with an hour of content cut out.  It just feels like there's too little backstory for a lot of the (main) characters and there's not a lot of build-up to a lot of plot elements (like spock and ahura).

I like what they added though with the time travel and the Scotty's warp tech, but the other origin stories were really fucking corny.  The birth scene and Spock's childhood were lolworthy.

 I liked it more than I expected to, but this movie will have a fucking awesome DVD with probably around an extra hour of "mandatory" content.  It is actually nice to watch it in a theater though because of how awesome the sound and visuals were for the action scenes.

Abrams cut out an entire side plot about Bana and his group being arrested by klingons and put on a klingon prison planet and it having them escape and attack the entire fleet. Pretty lengthy bit there cut out.

Any chance of this surfacing on the DVD/BD in a director's cut? Im sure it would make it in there as a deleted scene, but Id rather see it within the flow of the movie.

He said in a interview it will be on the dvd at least as a deleted scene but said he may actually put it back in the film. So it could. It got cut because apparently test audiences said it dragged the film down and Paramount made Abrams cut it.

[Tauntaun]

Abrams cut out an entire side plot about Bana and his group being arrested by klingons and put on a klingon prison planet and it having them escape and attack the entire fleet. Pretty lengthy bit there cut out.

Any chance of this surfacing on the DVD/BD in a director's cut? Im sure it would make it in there as a deleted scene, but Id rather see it within the flow of the movie.

He said in a interview it will be on the dvd at least as a deleted scene but said he may actually put it back in the film. So it could. It got cut because apparently test audiences said it dragged the film down and Paramount made Abrams cut it.

   But it sounds so awesome.

[Cheebs]

Well since this one made a ton of money I doubt Paramount will be as paranoid about it and let Abrams off the leash more.

[Eric P]

here's hoping for a Man from UNCLE film!

[ManaByte]

I loved it.

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The way Nero screamed "SPOCK!" at the top of his lungs was awesome. 

Also, whoever cast Simon Pegg as Scotty nailed it. The only other time I could say that was when I learned that Snoop Dogg was cast as Huggy Bear in the Starsky and Hutch movie.

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Abrams basically just emailed him and asked him if he wanted to be Scotty.

[brawndolicious]

McCoy was also really well casted.

[ManaByte]

McCoy was also really well casted.

Greenblooded hobgoblin.

[Cheebs]

McCoy WAS DeForest Kelley. It didn't feel like recasting to me, it literally felt exactly how a young McCoy would have been. He was flawless.

[ManaByte]

He had McCoy's Katra rattling around in his head.

[chronovore]

He had McCoy's Katra rattling around in his head.

Nice.

[Great Rumbler]

Finally saw Star Trek last night. I have to say that I had some doubt going in, especially about the new direction and reviving the old cast with new characters, but they pulled just about everything off really well. 

I only have a couple of minor complaints: Kirk just happening to land on that planet and just happening to be chased by some huge monster right into Spock's cave which just happens to be a couple of miles from the base where Scotty has been sent and he just happens to be working on technology that can beam them back to the Enterprise. Kirk knowing that it MUST be Nero attacking Vulcan when everyone else seems completely oblivious. The way the camera is always zoomed in really far and how it constantly swooshes around the set from character to the other, it gave me a headache after a while. Nero's paper-thin reason for trying to destroy the Federation.

Those issues aside, I really enjoyed it.

[brawndolicious]

Nero's reasoning probably had a lot to do with being in a Klingon prison for two decades (they cut that out).  Maybe they even had a more logical reason for how everyone met on that ice planet but cut that out also.

The worst thing that they included is the part where young kirk jacks his stepfather's car for no apparent reason, blasts 20th century music for no apparent reason, and then destroys a 240 year old piece of American history for no real apparent reason.  That was a wast of 5 minutes.

[ManaByte]

Nero's reasoning probably had a lot to do with being in a Klingon prison for two decades (they cut that out).  Maybe they even had a more logical reason for how everyone met on that ice planet but cut that out also.

The worst thing that they included is the part where young kirk jacks his stepfather's car for no apparent reason, blasts 20th century music for no apparent reason, and then destroys a 240 year old piece of American history for no real apparent reason.  That was a wast of 5 minutes.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1611878/story.jhtml

the idea was to show the renegade, young Kirk and have a wildly anachronistic scene where you had an earthbound, almost back-looking scene combined with a forward-looking futuristic scene technologically.

[AdmiralViscen]

How the hell did the Klingons capture Nero anyway? His ship is supposed to easily buttfuck every ship of the movie's time period

[ManaByte]

How the hell did the Klingons capture Nero anyway? His ship is supposed to easily buttfuck every ship of the movie's time period

The Kelvin slamming into it pretty much disabled it for the moment and Nero was already on the border of Klingon space.

[brawndolicious]

the idea was to show the renegade, young Kirk and have a wildly anachronistic scene where you had an earthbound, almost back-looking scene combined with a forward-looking futuristic scene technologically.

That type of renegade phase might have made a little more sense if Kirk was a little older (15ish) and if he didn't decide to crash a 240 year old corvette.  That was just fucked.

[Great Rumbler]

the idea was to show the renegade, young Kirk and have a wildly anachronistic scene where you had an earthbound, almost back-looking scene combined with a forward-looking futuristic scene technologically.

That type of renegade phase might have made a little more sense if Kirk was a little older (15ish) and if he didn't decide to crash a 240 year old corvette.  That was just fucked.

The main problem was that the scene had almost zero context. I mean, apparently his mom remarried and he doesn't like his step-dad, but all that comes from a single line of throw-away dialogue, we're never actually shown anything to set it up. They could have just as easily segued from his birth to being beaten up in the bar and we'd have gotten exactly the same impression of his life.

[TakingBackSunday]

the idea was to show the renegade, young Kirk and have a wildly anachronistic scene where you had an earthbound, almost back-looking scene combined with a forward-looking futuristic scene technologically.

That type of renegade phase might have made a little more sense if Kirk was a little older (15ish) and if he didn't decide to crash a 240 year old corvette.  That was just fucked.

The main problem was that the scene had almost zero context. I mean, apparently his mom remarried and he doesn't like his step-dad, but all that comes from a single line of throw-away dialogue, we're never actually shown anything to set it up. They could have just as easily segued from his birth to being beaten up in the bar and we'd have gotten exactly the same impression of his life.

I agree with this, but on the flipside they DID need the child sequence for Spock, as it becomes very important to his character later on in the film.  Maybe they just felt they needed to balance child Spock out with child Kirk.

[brawndolicious]

Yeah but Spock's childhood scene shows why he chose starfleet.  What they should have done is show Kirk having an actual fight with his stepfather or something not related to a 240 year old corvette.  That way they might show why he's smart but unambitious.

[AdmiralViscen]

They did it for the trailer

[Great Rumbler]

They did it for the trailer

Bingo.

[AdmiralViscen]

lol @ Salvation AND night at the museum doing worse in 5 days than Trek did in 3.  And Trek made 29M in the same four day span. and a sub-50% drop like Cheebs said

Wrika/Willco annihilated

[Cheebs]

lol @ Salvation AND night at the museum doing worse in 5 days than Trek did in 3.  And Trek made 29M in the same four day span. and a sub-50% drop like Cheebs said

Wrika/Willco annihilated

So let's see.

Willco said Star Trek would bomb - Failed
Willco said Star Trek would only make 150 mil - Failed
Willco said Star Trek will drop hard when Terminator opens - Failed
Willco said Star Trek would be crushed by Terminator - Failed

[chronovore]

You guys that make fun of people who made mistaken predictions -- are you always this graceful in victory?

[Fragamemnon]

I saw this last night and exited conflicted. I thought the scenes themselves were good, but the script was atrocious and kirk's character continues to live a life free of any consequences for his terrible behavior, which makes for weak drama.

The new cast was pretty cool though. I'd like to see a film where Kirk gets his comeuppance, though.

[AdmiralViscen]

You guys that make fun of people who made mistaken predictions -- are you always this graceful in victory?

Only when they do it over and over and over again while insulting anyone who disagrees with them at the time of the prediction.

[ManaByte]

The new cast was pretty cool though. I'd like to see a film where Kirk gets his comeuppance, though.

Wasn't that Star Trek II?

[chronovore]

I saw this last night and exited conflicted. I thought the scenes themselves were good, but the script was atrocious and kirk's character continues to live a life free of any consequences for his terrible behavior, which makes for weak drama.

The new cast was pretty cool though. I'd like to see a film where Kirk gets his comeuppance, though.

I saw this tonight and think you've already seen the comeuppance. Kirk, throughout the film,

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consistently loses every physical fight he enters. He loses to Spock. He loses to TWO aliens on the ice planet and is saved by a senior citizen with a stick. He loses to Nero. He loses to Nero's lackey, until he pulls away from hand-to-hand. He starts his adult story arc getting his ass kicked by several Federation members IN RED SHIRTS.

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I feel bad for pretty-boy Kirk having to pay the price for Shatner's Kirk's arrogant refusal to ever job to the baddie.

[Boogie]

The new cast was pretty cool though. I'd like to see a film where Kirk gets his comeuppance, though.

Wasn't that Star Trek II?

Or III, what with his son getting fucking murdered and all.

Or, as chronovore said, this entire film.

[ManaByte]

[ManaByte]

Here's the entire Shatner scene they didn't film:

SPOCK PRIME
Then I ask that you do yourself a
favor... put away logic, and do what
feels right. The world you've inherited
lives in the shadow of incalculable
devastation... but there's no reason you
must face it alone.

And from around his neck, he removes the PENDANT that until now,
we've only caught glimpses of. Places it on the table beside
his younger self. The feeling in his eyes is profound...

SPOCK PRIME (CONT'D)
This was a gift to me. Representing...
a dream. One we were unable to fulfill.
(softly)
The way you can now.

And moves to the door. Stops. Offers the VULCAN SALUTE:

SPOCK PRIME (CONT'D)
As my customary farewell would appear
oddly self serving, I will simply say...
good luck.

Their eyes hold. Spock turns, disappearing into the corridor.
Young Spock stares at the empty doorway a beat, his mind a
jumble of thoughts. Looks to the pendant... and realizes it's a
HOLO-EMITTER. After considering a beat, he hits an activation
button and a MOVING HOLOGRAPHIC MESSAGE materializes before him:

CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK. WILLIAM SHATNER. As always, brash, wry,
confident -- and SINGING:

KIRK/ SHATNER
Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to
you...
(stops, grins)
I know I know, it's illogical to
celebrate something you had nothing to do
with, but I haven't had the chance to
congratulate you on your appointment to
the ambassadorship so I thought I'd seize
the occasion... Bravo, Spock -- they tell
me your first mission may take you away
for awhile, so I'll be the first to wish
you luck... and to say...
(beat, emotional)
I miss you, old friend.

... and we're PUSHING IN on Young Spock, taking in the image of
Kirk's future self, the message, but above all -- the clear,
unquestionable friendship these two men had...

INT. CORRIDOR - CONTINUOUS

As Spock Prime walks off down the corridor, he passes right by a
man conferring with a nurse -- the man pauses, turns... it's
SAREK. Suddenly overcome by a feeling that the stranger who's
just passed him is... oddly familiar.

KIRK/SHATNER (V.O.)
I suppose I'd always imagined us...
outgrowing Starfleet together. Watching
life swing us into our Emeritus years...

INT. STARBASE ONE - HANGAR - ETERNAL NIGHT

MUSIC BUILDING -- glass walls reveal THE ENTERPRISE at dock,
UTILITY CRAFTS floating around it, repairing. Standing at
attention in rows, THE ENTERPRISE CREW -- over four hundred of
them wearing DRESS UNIFORMS -- TRACK DOWN the faces, all proud:

KIRK/SHATNER (V.O.)
I look around at the new cadets now and
can't help thinking... has it really been
so long? Wasn't it only yesterday we
stepped onto the Enterprise as boys?
That I had to prove to the crew I
deserved command... and their respect?

And we STOP ON YOUNG KIRK. Composed, focused, proud. A man.
And to every fan's delight, finally wearing his YELLOW SHIRT.
The FEDERATION COMMANDANT stands at a podium:

COMMANDANT
This assembly calls Captain James
Tiberius Kirk...

Kirk breaks from formation, pivots, marches down the hangar --
past UHURA... SULU... CHEKOV... SCOTTY. All Beaming. Notably
absent, is Spock. Kirk ascends the stairs, snaps to attention:

COMMANDANT (CONT'D)
Your inspirational valor and supreme
dedication to your comrades are in
keeping with the highest traditions of
service and reflect utmost credit to
yourself, your crew, and the Federation.
By Starfleet Order 28455, you are hereby
directed to report to Commanding Officer,
USS Enterprise, for duty as his relief.

Kirk turns. Walks to... PIKE. In a wheelchair now, wearing an
ADMIRAL'S UNIFORM. Overnight, his hair's turned totally grey --
but despite his trauma, his pride's overwhelming. They SALUTE
each other:

KIRK
I relieve you, Sir.

PIKE
... I am relieved.

He opens a BOX in his lap -- glorious in repose, a MEDAL:

PIKE (CONT'D)
And as Fleet Admiral, for your... unique
solution to the Kobayashi Maru, it's my
honor to award you with a commendation
for original thinking.

Pike containing a smirk, pins the medal to Kirk's chest...

PIKE (CONT'D)
(a touch choked)
Congratulations, Captain.

KIRK
Thank you, Sir.

Kirk turns to the crowd. Eyes shining. WILD APPLAUSE. OUR
MUSIC SOARS. Bones leans in to Sulu, rolling his eyes:

BONES
... Same ship, different day.

As Kirk rejoins his crew for hugs and congratulations, we go to
the BACK of the hangar... SPOCK PRIME. Watching. Moved beyond
words. He turns and leaves them to it... as he goes...

KIRK/SHATNER (V.O.)
I know what you'd say -- `It's their turn
now, Jim...' And of course you're
right... but it got me thinking:

INT. STARFLEET HOSPITAL - EARTH - DAY

Our montage comes full circle as we END on Kirk's transmission:

KIRK/SHATNER
Who's to say we can't go one more round?
By the last tally, only twenty five
percent of the galaxy's been chartered...
I'd call that negligent. Criminal even --
an invitation.
(MORE)

KIRK/SHATNER (CONT'D)
You once said being a starship captain
was my first, best destiny... if that's
true, then yours is to be by my side. If
there's any true logic to the universe...
we'll end up on that bridge again
someday.

Stops, grins. Because this is the part he needs to say most...

KIRK
Admit it, Spock. For people like us, the
journey itself... is home.

Young Spock's face. Lost in feelings that flood through him.

These Transformer writers are so great, this will be how the sequel ends:

KAHN stranded on Ceti Alpha 5 speaks into a communicator.

KAHN
You've won this day Kirk. But someday...someday...I shall have my WRATH upon thee!

[FlameOfCallandor]

SInce this thread got bumped, I' m gonna go out on a limb and just say the movie has been pretty forgettable. Enjoyable while watching but Abrams just cannot do anything memorable.

[Diunx]

I didn't even remembered this movie until I saw this thread.

[Great Rumbler]

I didn't even remembered this movie until I saw this thread.

I really haven't thought much about it either.

[Mr. Gundam]

I've watched the deleted scenes and some of the mini documentaries on the Blu-ray. Fun stuff.

[Mr. Gundam]

Yeah, it was cool seeing the Klingon stuff that was cut.  Why the helmets, though?

One of the documentaries (I think it's the Aliens one) talks about the helmets on the Klingons. Basically, they weren't sure how they were going to portray the Klingon's foreheads since the 60s show had the Klingons without the forehead bumps, so the helmets allowed them to only have to do their brows (they show some of the actors without the helmets on). They're still thinking how about they'll show off the Klingons in the next movie.

[ManaByte]

Yeah, it was cool seeing the Klingon stuff that was cut.  Why the helmets, though?

One of the documentaries (I think it's the Aliens one) talks about the helmets on the Klingons. Basically, they weren't sure how they were going to portray the Klingon's foreheads since the 60s show had the Klingons without the forehead bumps, so the helmets allowed them to only have to do their brows (they show some of the actors without the helmets on). They're still thinking how about they'll show off the Klingons in the next movie.

That doesn't make sense as the movie acknowledges Enterprise my talking about Archer and Porthos (and they even say in the commentary that the final Bad Robot Trek movie should have Porthos appear in it), and Enterprise explained the whole Klingon ridges thing.

[Mr. Gundam]

Eh, that's what they said on the Blu-ray. I'm not a big Trek fan or anything, so their explanation didn't bother me.