What are you playing?

[bork]

Yeah, but who gives a fuck?  It's a fighting game.  If you're not down with the multiplayer, they aren't for you.

[Bebpo]

Talking arcade charts, SF4 has basically been " " ever since it came out.  It usually hovers around the #5 or #6 spot.

Here's the latest chart from Arcadia:

1. Tekken 6: Bloodline Rebellion
2. Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam VS Gundam NEXT
3. Melty Blood: Actress Again (+1)
4. Blazblue (-1)
5. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core
6. Street Fighter IV
7. Virtua Fighter 5R
8. Daemonbride (+1)
9. KOF2002 Unlimited Match (NEW)
10. Sugoi! Arcana Heart 2: Tenkousei Akane to Nazuna (-3)

Tekken 6 has been number one with a bullet for well over a year (maybe almost the full two!), knocking out Gundam, which has never been able to reclaim its top spot.  At one point when Blood Rebellion came out, there were TWO Tekken 6s in the top 10.   

If you're wondering about Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom, it cracked the top 10 like once or twice, but got pushed out pretty quickly.  Daemonbride is a 2D fighter from Examu, who makes Arcana Heart.

VF5R's placement is so fucking sad for the best game ever.

BRING IT HOME BITCHES

[bork]

VF5 lost a lot of its popularity, even after R was released.  Everyone switched to the more-accessable Tekken.  It makes you wonder if there is even going to be a VF6, since Sega's too busy making more shitty Sonic and friends to care.

[Bebpo]

VF5 lost a lot of its popularity, even after R was released.  Everyone switched to the more-accessable Tekken.  It makes you wonder if there is even going to be a VF6, since Sega's too busy making more shitty Sonic and friends to care.

I still find Tekken 1000x more difficult and non-accessible than VF.  I mean my non-gaming friends picked up VF pretty fast and became big VF fans, whereas we try to play Tekken and no one can figure out how to play.  I think it has to do with the move commands being more complicated in Tekken, whereas you can figure 80% of them out in VF just through experimenting pressing all 8 directions with one of the three buttons or P+K and then trying a double tap in one of the 8 directions with the same or B->F.

So it always confuses me when non-gaming people in Japan get into Tekken.

[Bebpo]

Also 5R's stage change is SO GOOD.  Random stage makeup is absolutely genius and really effects matches and makes them different everytime even against the same players.  Plus it makes wall characters so much more formidable when they get a boxed in stage.

If they never make a VF6 and never home port VF5R, I'm seriously tempted to import the arcade version in a few years when the price sinks.  But I'd rather pay $30 USD for a home port than thousands

[Bebpo]

That's weird. Tekken has always been button-mash-friendly, less than SC but way more forgiving than VF.

Ok, this makes sense.  If you just randomly hit buttons without using the stick you won't get much in VF.

I guess I was mistaken for thinking noobs actually wanted to learn/use moves.  Not just blindly mash.

[MCD]

Talking arcade charts, SF4 has basically been " " ever since it came out.  It usually hovers around the #5 or #6 spot.

Here's the latest chart from Arcadia:
6. Street Fighter IV

and then arcade distinguished effete fellows wonder why capcom ain't bothering with ssf4 arcade.

[bork]

The Jin adventure mode in T5 PS2 was completely fucking horrid.  That's not Tekken Force though.  Its gotta be a side-scrolling brawler.  That was my favorite part of T4!

Unfortunately the one in 6 isn't a side-scroller from what I've seen, so it's based on T5's Jin mode. There's a twist in the formula though, something called an "Arena" where normal fights take place, and that's where the epilogues can be unlocked.

It looks different (and better) than TK5's shit-Jin mode, thankfully.  I'm just going to go through it to get the endings n' shit and never touch it again.  BTW, most (if not all) endings are up on Youtube.  More wacky, zany shit as usual.  

I still find Tekken 1000x more difficult and non-accessible than VF.  I mean my non-gaming friends picked up VF pretty fast and became big VF fans, whereas we try to play Tekken and no one can figure out how to play.  I think it has to do with the move commands being more complicated in Tekken, whereas you can figure 80% of them out in VF just through experimenting pressing all 8 directions with one of the three buttons or P+K and then trying a double tap in one of the 8 directions with the same or B->F.

So it always confuses me when non-gaming people in Japan get into Tekken.

Bebpo, you're WEIRD.  

Tekken is and has always been much, much easier to play than Virtua Fighter.  VF is the deepest and most complex of all the 3D fighters.

That's weird. Tekken has always been button-mash-friendly, less than SC but way more forgiving than VF.

Ok, this makes sense.  If you just randomly hit buttons without using the stick you won't get much in VF.

Nah.  I beat one of my friends one time by using Lei Fei, sitting AWAY from the TV, and button-mashing.  It was hilarious.  You can mash in every game out there.

I guess I was mistaken for thinking noobs actually wanted to learn/use moves.  Not just blindly mash.

[bork]

Talking arcade charts, SF4 has basically been " " ever since it came out.  It usually hovers around the #5 or #6 spot.

Here's the latest chart from Arcadia:
6. Street Fighter IV

and then arcade distinguished effete fellows wonder why capcom ain't bothering with ssf4 arcade.

But they are still making money off of it, plus with big-name players like Daigo even getting on regular Japanese TV shows, the game being featured in tournaments, etc., it brings interest and recognition to the game.  What I also would like to know is how SF4 is distributed...it's a Type-X2 game.  Wouldn't that just mean the game ship on a disc?  If so, all they'd have to do is press SSF4 arcade discs that operators can use in existing SF4 cabs.  It's just more money for them...I don't get it.

[MCD]

Because it's too awesome to be in dirty arcades.

[bork]

Japanese gaming centers aren't dirty like your filthy western-dog tobacco-stained arcades.   :hehe

ロル、外人　:hehe

もしその汚い外人が俺のゲームセンターに入ったら、刀で殺す。　:hehe :hehe

[Don Flamenco]

Japanese gaming centers aren't dirty like your filthy western-dog tobacco-stained arcades.   :hehe

ロル、外人　:hehe

もしその汚い外人が俺のゲームセンターに入ったら、刀で殺す。　:hehe :hehe

we....don't have arcades here anymore.

[MCD]

say that in english you slut I DARE YOU

[bork]

say that in english you slut I DARE YOU

I can give you the proper English translation, or the 100 times better GOOGLE TRANSLATE version!

"LOL, foreign" :hehe

"Once in the arcades that if I have dirty foreigners, kill with a sword." :hehe :hehe

[demi]

Who cares what Japan has. We already nuked them once. All it takes is one push of a button to do it again

[bork]

Who cares what Japan has. We already nuked them once. All it takes is one push of a button to do it again

They got gundamu now.

[MCD]

We only use Bing here so it's:

"Rolle, foreigner"

"If the dirty foreigner is when entering my video arcade, kill sword."

[Bebpo]

lol

And yeah, Lei Fei is really the only mash friendly VF character.  He's kind of like the Eddie Gordo of VF.  Pai and Lau are the next closest, but at most you'll get PPPK variations and anyone can counter that.

I'm not weird!  In VF say I don't know ANYTHING and I want to learn Akira.  All I need to do is:
1. tap each direction with P and I'll find his various interrupter attacks that will break a lot of the opponents moves
2. double tap each direction and P and I'll find his offensive Elbow, his DF/DF+P juggler
3. try b,f with P and I'll find his BITCH SMACK knockdown which works both ways
4. then by GASP tapping U or D I will learn how to side step

With that in hand I can actually play Akira at a low, but not noob level by blocking, dodging and countering and offensively attacking.  That takes about 3 mins!  I can even do awesome combos!  Anything I want!  Freeform!  Not just canned ones!  By flowing up the DF,DF+P, the F,F+P, or B,F+P if they connect.  It's possible I could beat someone else who is low-level or beat SP opponents with just what I've learned here.

In Tekken, I pick Kazuya and do the same 4 steps with one of the punch buttons.  I learn much less and I can't beat anyone.  I also can't do freeform combos so I'm frustrated instead of satisfied.


I dunno, I find VF super accesible because it's SO EASY TO MAKE COMBOS.  Most hits float on counter and a lot of moves launch for juggles.  Then you can do ANYTHING YOU WANT and if in your mind it should connect using the game's physics then...hey it connects!  In Tekken it feels like freeform combos require higher knowledge of the game since you float the enemy less and less stuff connects.  And the problem with the basic moves is that instead of a simple command that anyone can learn like F+P or F,F+P, or B,F+P the commads are like HP+LK -> HP+LP which how the fuck are you supposed to figure out on your own without a move list.  Then again if you just MASH THE BUTTONS that move would probably come out at some point.

Also in VF the 80% of the move commands are shared across characters.  So once you learn one character's movelist, you can pick any other character and press the same directions with the same buttons and get that character's moves.  This makes the game really easy to pick up and play for newbies once they learn a single character's movelist.  Tekken doesn't really do this.  If I press what I do as Kazuya I'm not going to get most of King's moves.

[Rman]

Mostly Mirror's Edge.

[iconoclast]

I've got 100+ hours on VF5, 90+ of which have to be with Jacky. I wish more people played it; last time I played online it was basically the same 5 people in rotation.

VF5 


David Bowie 

Oh yeah, someone should make a Tekken 6 thread...

[cool breeze]

Beat Machinarium

BEST ADVENTURE GAME SINCE GRIM FANDANGO.  BUY IT!!!


The only complaint I have is that there are some slight control annoyances probably because it's done in flash.  Otherwise near-perfect game.  Great visuals, great music, great story, great puzzles, good length.  Absolutely awesome.  Makes all the Telltale games cry in their pants as well as all these other "adventure games" that are boring and full of fetch quests.  The mini-game puzzles in Machinarium are hard but SO GOOD.  I hope this sells a billion copies and makes everyone in the game industry wake up and realize how to make a game with <3

the demo was pretty great

how long is it?

[bork]

And yeah, Lei Fei is really the only mash friendly VF character.  He's kind of like the Eddie Gordo of VF.  Pai and Lau are the next closest, but at most you'll get PPPK variations and anyone can counter that.

You can mash with anyone in any game.  Doesn't matter what it is.  It's just that it generally won't get you anywhere.   

I'm not weird!  In VF say I don't know ANYTHING and I want to learn Akira.  All I need to do is:
1. tap each direction with P and I'll find his various interrupter attacks that will break a lot of the opponents moves
2. double tap each direction and P and I'll find his offensive Elbow, his DF/DF+P juggler
3. try b,f with P and I'll find his BITCH SMACK knockdown which works both ways
4. then by GASP tapping U or D I will learn how to side step

With that in hand I can actually play Akira at a low, but not noob level by blocking, dodging and countering and offensively attacking.  That takes about 3 mins!  I can even do awesome combos!  Anything I want!  Freeform!  Not just canned ones!  By flowing up the DF,DF+P, the F,F+P, or B,F+P if they connect.  It's possible I could beat someone else who is low-level or beat SP opponents with just what I've learned here.

In Tekken, I pick Kazuya and do the same 4 steps with one of the punch buttons.  I learn much less and I can't beat anyone.  I also can't do freeform combos so I'm frustrated instead of satisfied.

Sure you can do freeform combos; this isn't Tekken 2 anymore.  You can do the same kind of thing in Tekken, it just might be double tapping and hitting a whopping TWO buttons instead of one.    Akira is a hell of a lot harder to learn to use effectively than Kazuya is, that's for sure.  The same type of "learn a couple of moves, fuck my friends up" beginner stuff is there.  You just described every 3D fighting game.

I dunno, I find VF super accesible because it's SO EASY TO MAKE COMBOS.  Most hits float on counter and a lot of moves launch for juggles.  Then you can do ANYTHING YOU WANT and if in your mind it should connect using the game's physics then...hey it connects!  In Tekken it feels like freeform combos require higher knowledge of the game since you float the enemy less and less stuff connects.  And the problem with the basic moves is that instead of a simple command that anyone can learn like F+P or F,F+P, or B,F+P the commads are like HP+LK -> HP+LP which how the fuck are you supposed to figure out on your own without a move list.  Then again if you just MASH THE BUTTONS that move would probably come out at some point.

Depends on who you use.  Tekken has a shitload more characters.  I'm learning Lili now, and finding plenty of easy-to-do moves.  Nothing like what you mentioned...more like f+both punches or f+LK+RK, then LK, then RK.  SOUNDS DIFFICULT.

Also in VF the 80% of the move commands are shared across characters.  So once you learn one character's movelist, you can pick any other character and press the same directions with the same buttons and get that character's moves.  This makes the game really easy to pick up and play for newbies once they learn a single character's movelist.  Tekken doesn't really do this.  If I press what I do as Kazuya I'm not going to get most of King's moves.

You're not gonna get shit-ton of Wolf's moves either.   

[bork]

Another hate mail from last night's Soul Calibur session!! 

Subject: FUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKK

YYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Bebpo]

Beat Machinarium

BEST ADVENTURE GAME SINCE GRIM FANDANGO.  BUY IT!!!


The only complaint I have is that there are some slight control annoyances probably because it's done in flash.  Otherwise near-perfect game.  Great visuals, great music, great story, great puzzles, good length.  Absolutely awesome.  Makes all the Telltale games cry in their pants as well as all these other "adventure games" that are boring and full of fetch quests.  The mini-game puzzles in Machinarium are hard but SO GOOD.  I hope this sells a billion copies and makes everyone in the game industry wake up and realize how to make a game with <3

the demo was pretty great

how long is it?

Took me 5 hours since I already knew the solution to the first 3 screens from the demo.  There's almost no backtracking or filler though, so it's a good 4-5 hours of pure gameplay.

You're not gonna get shit-ton of Wolf's moves either.   

Outside of his throws you'll get most of them   How hard is B,F+K or F+P+K?

And I don't find F+RK+LK, LK, RK to be intuitive at all.  I find Tekken's wierd commands of buttons pressed alternatively with time between them to be very foreign.  Maybe it's just me and every person I've met in real life who plays fighting games.  Dunno!  None of us "get" Tekken and we can all play VF.

I really don't see how anyone can argue that regardless of VF's "learning curve", the move commands are kept really simple compared to Tekken.  The only other 3d fighter that has simple and easy to learn moves like VF is DoA IMO.  SC is somewhere between VF and Tekken.

[Robo]

Another hate mail from last night's Soul Calibur session!! 

Subject: FUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKK

YYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

hahah, that's awesome

[iconoclast]

I don't even remember the last time I got hate mail.    The SF4 community is mostly civil these days. I do love when I get one though, as I always antagonize them further. 

Oberfuhrer is still the king of hate mail. "Just like Pearl Harbor" always cracks me up.

[ferrarimanf355]

A little Rock Band 2 tonight and tomorrow, then Forza 3 and Tekken 6 after that. 

[duckman2000]

COD4. Killing snipers, lulz.

[Enl]

Finished Dead Space last night and was very impressed with it. Great pacing, sound design, and overall presentation. Will definitely attempt to replay it on Impossible sometime later. My only gripe was that the last few stages (excluding the final chapter) felt like filler and really didn't do much to differentiate one from the other like the previous chapters. I hope when they make Dead Space 2 that they make more areas like the last one (a mix of being on a planet surface and corridors).

Next on the list: Mirror's Edge, Uncharted I, and possibly Street Fighter IV again.

[Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich]

Finally started playing Batman AA on the PC. Can't believe I held back on buying this game for so long, it's just as amazing as everyone says. Only gripe I have so far is that my OCD kicked in far too early in the game and I'm in detective mode nearly half the time looking for stuff.

It's the Metroid Prime scan visor syndrome, except that it's kind of harder to toggle out of detective mode.

[Rman]

Mostly Mirror's Edge.

Time Trials?

Main game. 

[cool breeze]

Took me 5 hours since I already knew the solution to the first 3 screens from the demo.  There's almost no backtracking or filler though, so it's a good 4-5 hours of pure gameplay.

For $20 that seems a bit short considering it's an adventure game, and I'm having a hard time deciding if I should get Torchlight or not (also $20).  But the demo was pretty damn good.

[Bebpo]

I dunno, most adventure games that retailed for $40-50 back in the day were about 10-12 hours.  The Telltale ones are like $8 for 3 hours but then they're full of filler padding and more like 1-2 hour games.  Heck most PS3/X360 games were 6 hours at the start of the gen for $60.

[tiesto]

Doremi Fantasy for SFC (via Virtual Console)

[duckman2000]

Anyone want to play some Halo 3 later on? I don't have any of the $ DLC so playlists are limited, but I want to put a few more games in before ditching it again.

[Beezy]

1. Tekken 6: Bloodline Rebellion

smh

[bork]

Outside of his throws you'll get most of them   How hard is B,F+K or F+P+K?

I dunno; how hard is f, f, P or PP?     And "outside his throws?"  He's a grapple character!   

And I don't find F+RK+LK, LK, RK to be intuitive at all.  I find Tekken's wierd commands of buttons pressed alternatively with time between them to be very foreign.

I posted that move because it's one of the more "complex" inputs for Lili, and it's still easy to pull off.  No strict timing or anything, unlike say...the stun palm of doom that Akira has.

Maybe it's just me and every person I've met in real life who plays fighting games.  Dunno!  None of us "get" Tekken and we can all play VF.

I have never talked to anyone besides yourself that has said that Virtua Fighter is easier to get into than Tekken.  Ever.

VF definitely has some easier inputs on basic moves, but for the other stuff?  Complex as fuck.  Timing that is far stricter than anything in Tekken.

I really don't see how anyone can argue that regardless of VF's "learning curve", the move commands are kept really simple compared to Tekken.  The only other 3d fighter that has simple and easy to learn moves like VF is DoA IMO.  SC is somewhere between VF and Tekken.

Sure, but I really don't see how anyone can argue that VF is easier to pick up and play than...TEKKEN.   

Tekken has its share of easy to pick up and play characters, and then the more complex guys.  Not everyone plays like King.

1. Tekken 6: Bloodline Rebellion

smh

Scamco beatin' 'em all mayne

[demi]

Finished Mass Effect Hardcore. Just one more run on Insanity then I have to grind out the rest of the 75 uses of skills then all done. Dont think I can get my hands on a DLC disk to bother.

Going to make my Insane run the save I use for ME2.

[cool breeze]

I dunno, most adventure games that retailed for $40-50 back in the day were about 10-12 hours.  The Telltale ones are like $8 for 3 hours but then they're full of filler padding and more like 1-2 hour games.  Heck most PS3/X360 games were 6 hours at the start of the gen for $60.

yeah, but I don't buy Telltale games (I own the first episode of their Monkey Island game since it was free; haven't played it yet).  Last adventure game I bought was the special edition of Monkey Island on sale for $5 on Steam.

[Bebpo]

Well you've played P&C adventure games before so you know how much they're worth to you.  It's a really, really good P&C with great art, music (you get the soundtrack free too), puzzles, and story and it's about 5 hours long for $20. 

[demi]

P&C gaming sucks. Just go buy scratches. Why isnt Scratches on Steam? Because Steam sucks.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I would kill for a new Zork game.

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[youtube=560,345]iHKKq7kMF8w[/youtube]

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[Enl]

I would kill for a new Zork game.

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[youtube=560,345]iHKKq7kMF8w[/youtube]

[close]

Time has not treated Return to Zork well at all. I used to love that game when I was a kid despite its stupidly hard difficulty. Still like its overly epic intro theme.

[youtube=560,345]F4IvapXtvyk&hl=en&fs=1&[/youtube]

[cool breeze]

Well you've played P&C adventure games before so you know how much they're worth to you.  It's a really, really good P&C with great art, music (you get the soundtrack free too), puzzles, and story and it's about 5 hours long for $20. 

yeah, that's the thing.  It's probably literally 5 hours for $20.  I replay adventure games every couple of years (like, more than 3).  I'll think about it.  As I said, Torchlight is $20 and it's even hard deciding to get that at a time when so many other games are coming out.

[duckman2000]

Worms 2 (XBLA). Hot stuff.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I would kill for a new Zork game.

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[youtube=560,345]iHKKq7kMF8w[/youtube]

[close]

Time has not treated Return to Zork well at all. I used to love that game when I was a kid despite its stupidly hard difficulty. Still like its overly epic intro theme.

[youtube=560,345]F4IvapXtvyk&hl=en&fs=1&[/youtube]

Whatever, I busted out DOS on my Vista laptop and played (and enjoyed it) last year.

[The Sceneman]

Ive been cranking the DLC for Magic XBLA, its pretty good, the new decks are excellent.

Really have to get back to Tales of Vesperia, I think about it every day and I have no idea why I shelved it.

[bork]

Just got Castlevania Adventure ReBirth on Wii (Japan-only for the time being).

Not bad, not bad at all!

The game's look reminds me of Dracula XX on SNES, and the sound is like a higher-quality Castlevania Bloodlines. It looks a little too blurry though.  I haven't played Castlevania Adventure on Gameboy in ages, and can't remember if the control is the same or not.  It plays like the classic NES 'Vanias, with just jump and attack buttons.  No whip upgrades; instead you can get items that power up your whip and let you shoot fireballs for a limited amount of time.

ReBirth doesn't appear to have hidden levels, but it does have multiple paths, with different layouts and enemies, that are "hidden" and have to be accessed with a key item that is only available once per level (it seems).  The first level has two locked doors, and so far on stage two, I've seen three.

It also seems a little too easy. I beat the first stage barely even getting hit. Hope it gets more challenging.  There was also an option to change the player style to classic after I quit out the first time.  I don't know what the difference is.

[demi]

Dump it lyte so I can play it

[Bebpo]

I never played any Zork with graphics so that video is 

[MCD]

Playing Dead Space on Hard, Plasma Cutter run only for the achievement.

Not liking it one bit TBH but I have to clear my backlog.

[MCD]

Played a little bit of Ninja Gaiden BLack that I downloaded from 360 store some months ago and man, NG2 made it unplayable for me.

need more speed bitches.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I never played any Zork with graphics so that video is 

you seriously missed out on some awesome video.
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[duckman2000]

F-Zero GX

[The Sceneman]

F-Zero GX

very few racing games come this close to pure brilliance

[TEEEPO]

katamari forever. it's obvious a lot of love went into making this. well worth the 30 i paid for it.

[Reb]

I drunkenly played an hour of Torchlight last night, enjoyable.

[Cormacaroni]

I spent almost 2hrs on COD4's Control Room level on Veteran. Holy fuck is it brutal. I've done almost all the rest of the game on Veteran but this one just fucking has my number. Aargh!

Fun though

[G The Resurrected]

Those silo's are a fucking bitch on veteran. But no where near as bad as COD W@W aka "nade your ass into another fucking universe the game"

Have you done "Mile high club" now that shit made me almost kill my tv.

[chronovore]

I would kill for a new Zork game.

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I thought you meant /real/ Zork.