Author Topic: Am I the only one who's not really jazzed on Uncharted 2? (Read 4726 times)

TakingBackSunday · « **on:** June 06, 2009, 03:05:44 AM »

I don't know, I just don't understand what it's doing different than any other third person shooters out there. In fact, I think it's pretty disappointing that it doesn't really delve into exploration and focuses so much on shooting.

I just don't really understand how this is lapping up so much praise. I think The PS3 had much better looking games at E3.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:14:34 AM »

It looks like an awesome action adventure movie turned into a game. It's Uncharted, but seemingly much, much better in every way. It also helps that it's not coming from some rookie studio, and that even the multiplayer (specifically, the co-op) is damned good. Honestly now, if you seriously don't understand why a well playing action game with crazy production values is getting praise, then you must have missed the boat on gaming a while ago.

Vizzys · « **Reply #2 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:14:59 AM »

-it looks pretty good, better than the first
-its ps3 exclusive

there is your hype

duckman2000 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:18:35 AM »

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TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:21:10 AM »

I don't know, I guess my issue is that I'm just sick of third person shooters in general I guess. I'm much more interested in a game that uses the perspective and does something a little different with it--Assassins Creed 2, Splinter Cell, etc. I just can't really play Gears, Uncharted, etc without just feeling like I've played this game before.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:25:20 AM »

So then do you or do you not understand why it is "lapping up praise?"

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:27:25 AM »

No, I still don't understand it. But, whatever. My game of the show was probably Splinter Cell, so eh.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:30:04 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 03:27:25 AM

No, I still don't understand it.

Then you must be a bit daft. No offense.

Besides, how many platforming/shooter hybrids are there really out there? I haven't played the SP, but this blend certainly has an effect on the multiplayer bit.

Bocsius · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:30:34 AM »

Yes, you're the only one not into Uncharted 2. I have right here in my hands a survey of all the world's inhabitants, and it came back 6,999,999,999 for, 1 against. I wondered who that 1 was, thinking it might be some error, perhaps the respondant didn't quite understand the question. Now I know, and the worst of my fears has been realized: there is one who refuses to conform. Don't worry, you will be broken in time.

Jansen · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:30:40 AM »

single player should be great. however the multiplayer is pretty average and i doubt i'll spend much time with it. even in its mediocrity the mp will still get praised to high heaven

duckman2000 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:32:18 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on June 06, 2009, 03:30:40 AM

single player should be great. however the multiplayer is pretty average and i doubt i'll spend much time with it. even in its mediocrity the mp will still get praised to high heaven

I'd love to live in a world with multiplayer experiences so magnificent as to make this mediocre, but hey. I'm not sold on the straight up competitive modes, but it was certainly well above average.

ManaByte · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:33:23 AM »

Not really excited about it either, and I loved the first game (I didn't put it down until I beat it). It just looks like a big map pack. It seems like they removed the minimal exploration from the original and replaced it with more shootin (the worst part of the first) and stealth elements (blah).

Mass Effect 2 is looking to be a more interesting sequel as from what they showed they seem to be improving on the faults in the original, where ND just seems to be adding more shock and awe graphic effects.

Jansen · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:36:58 AM »

the mp in red faction is only about a thousand times better than what is in uncharted

but hey, it's ps3 exclusive so i expect you to love it no matter what

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:38:19 AM »

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Mass Effect 2 is looking to be a more interesting sequel as from what they showed they seem to be improving on the faults in the original, where ND just seems to be adding more shock and awe graphic effects.

Ah yes, this is a good point. The first Mass Effect was something I enjoyed while playing but there were certain things during that really didn't mesh with me, and led to me trading it in right after I finished it. Mass Effect 2 seems to fix most of those issues, hopefully, and I'm very impressed with the changes.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:38:42 AM »

oh yeah I forget, duckman is like sony's lapdog

duckman2000 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:39:53 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on June 06, 2009, 03:36:58 AM

the mp in red faction is only about a thousand times better than what is in uncharted

but hey, it's ps3 exclusive so i expect you to love it no matter what

I don't recall being particularly gaga over Uncharted, but if dragging system wars bullshit into it is what you need to do in order to stabilize your crumbling, kiddie argument, then go for it.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:42:05 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 03:38:42 AM

oh yeah I forget, duckman is like sony's lapdog

Snore. Whatever though, I'd sooner be a corporate lapdog than someone so critically daft that he can't quite understand why people are excited about an explosive action adventure game with great production values and a veteran studio at the helm.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:42:33 AM »

they should put that on the box

edit: listen, I don't give a shit about how it has great production values. good for it. if it plays boring to me, it's fucking boring.

ManaByte · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:43:30 AM »

If Uncharted wasn't exclusive; people wouldn't be so gaga over it. But since it is, it's the best exclusive in a sea of shit.

ManaByte · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:45:42 AM »

God if War has massive production values. It's still button mashing shit.

If production values is all someone can praise about a GAME, there's a problem.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:47:45 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 03:42:33 AM

they should put that on the box

edit: listen, I don't give a shit about how it has great production values. good for it. if it plays boring to me, it's fucking boring.

That's not the fucking point, you dolt. You said you don't understand why it's getting all this praise, and I find that to be absolutely fucking incredible.

Anyway, weren't you just saying that it should be more about exploration? A third person adventure game with lots of exploration and search for treasure, wow that's fresh!

demi · « **Reply #21 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:47:56 AM »

no zombies no sale

Jansen · « **Reply #22 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:50:09 AM »

lol duckmans responses are always so predictable

call him out on his rampant fanboyism and he flips

i eagerly await your next response

bork · « **Reply #23 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:51:38 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on June 06, 2009, 03:36:58 AM

the mp in red faction is only about a thousand times better than what is in uncharted

but hey, it's ps3 exclusive so i expect you to love it no matter what

I dunno; I've been playing RFG MP and I think I might like Uncharted 2's MP better, and that's just from the beta.

Bebpo · « **Reply #24 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:52:35 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on June 06, 2009, 03:33:23 AM

Not really excited about it either, and I loved the first game (I didn't put it down until I beat it). It just looks like a big map pack. It seems like they removed the minimal exploration from the original and replaced it with more shootin (the worst part of the first) and stealth elements (blah).

The uncharted demo was also 99% shooting and everyone was like "wtf is this shooting game!? Where is my exploration!?!"
Then the full game had a decent amount of platforming mixed with all the shooting.

I'm sure the Crash Bandicoot x Jak & Daxter guy's aren't going to completely remove platforming from their games.

I haven't watched any E3 media because I'm on media blackout for Uncharted 2 because all I need to know is that it's Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 1 was great so I'm sure this will be too.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #25 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:52:38 AM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on June 06, 2009, 03:47:45 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 03:42:33 AM
they should put that on the box

edit: listen, I don't give a shit about how it has great production values. good for it. if it plays boring to me, it's fucking boring.

That's not the fucking point, you dolt. You said you don't understand why it's getting all this praise, and I find that to be absolutely fucking incredible.

Anyway, weren't you just saying that it should be more about exploration? A third person adventure game with lots of exploration and search for treasure, wow that's fresh!

Jesus christ, settle down. And I'm sorry, it still looks like you're shooting shit most of the time. It doesn't matter what the premise is; if you're still shooting most of the time, it's still a shooting game.

Jansen · « **Reply #26 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:54:44 AM »

tbh they are wildly different so that isn't surprising

i just love the backpacks and destructible environments in red faction

duckman2000 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:56:17 AM »

I am bit curious to find out what it is that puts Splinter Cell so far above then, if the gripe is unoriginal utilization of the perspective. Hell, Sam even moves like an action movie star these days, and apparently shoots and absorbs bullets like one too, so what are the critical differences here? Automated kill feature?

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 03:52:38 AM

It doesn't matter what the premise is; if you're still shooting most of the time, it's still a shooting game.

And in Splinter Cell, which you apparently adore (and which I adore too), you do what, poke a stick at stuff?

ManaByte · « **Reply #28 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:57:00 AM »

There was too much shooting in the first game, way more than exploration/platforming. It got annoying to have a gun fight every five steps. Most people complained about it too.

cool breeze · « **Reply #29 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:57:18 AM »

this thread got really bad fast, so I'll just try and answer the op.

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I don't know, I just don't understand what it's doing different than any other third person shooters out there.

If different was barometer for quality, well, it isn't. It just looks like it will be a really good third person shooter from what they've shown.

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In fact, I think it's pretty disappointing that it doesn't really delve into exploration and focuses so much on shooting.

I'm not ready to believe that they won't have platforming, exploration and puzzles throughout. What was shown is what shows well, which would be the combat. Just from the beta I can tell that there is more mixing of platforming and shooting at least, so that is certainly welcomed.

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I just don't really understand how this is lapping up so much praise. I think The PS3 had much better looking games at E3.

People really like third person shooters. There is that one picture for Gears 2 with the guy saying "The only bad thing about Gears 2 is that it's too good."

Personally, I'm looking forward to Uncharted 2. The first game is great and just from my experience in the multiplayer beta I know the combat is much better than it was before. It's not the game I'm most excited about later this year, but I will play it, I'll probably enjoy it a lot, I'll play co-op and ignore the versus stuff.

It does help that it looks incredibly good.

bork · « **Reply #30 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:57:40 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on June 06, 2009, 03:54:44 AM

tbh they are wildly different so that isn't surprising

i just love the backpacks and destructible environments in red faction

I do too, but my hype for the game has died down a bit. I hope the single player mode gets more in-depth with the destruction and has a lot more buildings and structures to destroy. I finished the first area and found it to be pretty mediocre, but am hoping that was meant to serve as more of a "training area" of sorts. Multiplayer has had its moments, but it's just not sucking me in like the demo did. I think I just need to play more.

demi · « **Reply #31 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:00:37 AM »

does uncharted 2 still have those bitmap explosions

ManaByte · « **Reply #32 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:03:00 AM »

The thing about Splinter Cell is that it isn't just a repeat of the last game with new maps. They're actually trying out new gameplay in the series.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #33 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:03:18 AM »

leave it to swaggaz to bring a rational repsonse, good jon mate. I guess I see why people like it, but it's just not for me.

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And in Splinter Cell, which you apparently adore (and which I adore too), you do what, poke a stick at stuff?

It's a game focused on stealth and making your kills as perfect and silent as possible. Not to mention it's doing something very different in terms of story progression.

ManaByte · « **Reply #34 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:04:36 AM »

Quote from: demi on June 06, 2009, 04:00:37 AM

does uncharted 2 still have those bitmap explosions

Yes and the characters are still plastic.

cool breeze · « **Reply #35 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:05:41 AM »

and I don't know what Sony had on the PS3 that looked better, tbh. God of War 3 was shown a lot, but that didn't impress me much, and I really liked the other God of War games. MAG, yeah, no. Heavy Rain, not so much. Ratchet and Clank 9?

The thing Sony showed that I was most impressed with was Gran Tursimo PSP, but that isn't a PS3 game. It looks insane for the PSP.

and the two games I'm surprised there isn't as much hype for are Halo ODST and Spirit Tracks. Both are this year, right? no one seems to even care, but I do! Link has an Indy style whip. Forget bad memories of Phantom Hourglass. He can swing across gaps with it, then use it against enemies. Best Zelda weapon ever.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:07:26 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 04:03:18 AM

leave it to swaggaz to bring a rational repsonse, good jon mate. I guess I see why people like it, but it's just not for me.

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And in Splinter Cell, which you apparently adore (and which I adore too), you do what, poke a stick at stuff?

It's a game focused on stealth and making your kills as perfect and silent as possible. Not to mention it's doing something very different in terms of story progression.

Looking at the gameplay demonstrations of both, Splinter Cell looks to be nearly as much of a shooter as Uncharted is. Hell, they even have the same shimmy/grab/throw move. But I'm sure Splinter Cell will have pure stealth sections too... much like Uncharted will almost certainly have sequences that don't have you platforming past a pissed off Hind, and into a collapsing building.

ManaByte · « **Reply #37 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:08:45 AM »

MAG is so generic looking they have to rely on a multiplayer gimmick to sell it. Resistance 2's 60 player multi flopped hard, so MAG is doomed.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #38 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:09:47 AM »

Well God of War III and the Last Guardian to me looked the coolest. But I have a feeling I'm going to be very bored with God of War III once I play it, because it really doesn't look to be doing much different from the other. Eh, whatever.

demi · « **Reply #39 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:16:01 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 04:09:47 AM

But I have a feeling I'm going to be very bored with God of War III once I play it, because it really doesn't look to be doing much different from the other.

what are your thoughts on mario galaxy 2

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #40 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:18:03 AM »

It's the sequel to game that did almost nothing wrong, and a game I never became bored with. Not to mention they are doing new things with Yoshi and how he functions in the world. God of War 3, while it looks great and I'm pumped to play, really doesn't look any different than God of War II, just prettier. Eh.

Whatever, fun games are fun, games I'm bored with are boring.

Bebpo · « **Reply #41 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:27:33 AM »

Wait, there are NINE Ratchet & Clank games?

wtfffffffffffffffffffff

duckman2000 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:29:09 AM »

This is the sixth one from Insomniac, if you count Deadlocked (which you shouldn't)

Purple Filth · « **Reply #43 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:31:36 AM »

Quote from: Bebpo on June 06, 2009, 04:27:33 AM

Wait, there are NINE Ratchet & Clank games?

wtfffffffffffffffffffff

if you count the psp games (like Secret agent Clank) then yes.

Only 6 if you count only the Insomniac ones (Deadlocked included) with this new one being the 7th

duckman2000 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:38:06 AM »

Am I missing one, or something? I only count 6, including the new one. Ratchet, GC, UYA, Deadlocked, TOD, Crack in Time.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #45 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:43:02 AM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on June 06, 2009, 04:38:06 AM

Am I missing one, or something? I only count 6, including the new one. Ratchet, GC, UYA, Deadlocked, TOD, Crack in Time.

Quest for Booty since it did continue the TOD story somewhat

maxy · « **Reply #46 on:** June 06, 2009, 05:03:56 AM »

No you are not the only one,all that jazz is a combination of few things:

PS3 exclusive
It will lead Sony fall "blockbuster" lineup-just like Resistance 2 did last year,demoed in the same manner at last year E3

Sony needs "big exclusive"
Its a game with big production values,how fun will it be?Don't know
If it was multi,i would be oh nice rent

All that jazz is just internet hype,it means nothing in the real world

I think that Sony wants it to be some kind of answer to Gears of War...good luck with that

Cheebs · « **Reply #47 on:** June 06, 2009, 09:30:15 AM »

I bought the first one and got bored of it. Never understood the hype. I should have liked it, I love Indiana Jones type of stuff.

dark1x · « **Reply #48 on:** June 06, 2009, 09:37:10 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 06, 2009, 03:21:10 AM

I just can't really play Gears, Uncharted, etc without just feeling like I've played this game before.

That's fine, but I love these 3rd person cover based shooters as do many others. There really aren't as many out there as you seem to think (let alone high quality titles).

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #49 on:** June 06, 2009, 09:48:11 AM »

Game looks amazing, it just jumped over Modern warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2 on my most anticipated game of the year list.

Right behind Conviction. I was kinda like "uuhh" at the whole building level falling down, straight rip from Gears of War 2, but whatever.

Jansen · « **Reply #50 on:** June 06, 2009, 10:15:32 AM »

mmm while i find the mp in uncharted 2 to be lacking i played some co-op a bit ago and it seems like it could be a decent amount of fun

and i really enjoyed the first uncharted (it was just too short imo). so naturally i'm looking forward to uncharted 2 (i think it's one of the best new IP this gen)

dammitmattt · « **Reply #51 on:** June 06, 2009, 10:39:07 AM »

It was a great, action-packed demo but it saddens me a bit that they are getting even further away from the exploration bits (they've even said that themselves this E3). At least the action bits look much better and the enemies don't just come in pre-determined waves in canned arenas like 90% of the battles in the first game. Plus it doesn't hurt that this is one of the top three best-looking console games out there.

tiesto · « **Reply #52 on:** June 06, 2009, 11:02:05 AM »

I would have been 100x more interested if it had a lot of puzzle/platforming elements. Kinda like TR Underworld with better control and camera. But I am soooooo sick of 3rd person/first person shooters so this leaves me cold.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #53 on:** June 06, 2009, 12:08:20 PM »

first one sucked, but if this installment is more tomb raider and less gears of sahara, i'll get it

still, nathan drake is a vile character

dammitmattt · « **Reply #54 on:** June 06, 2009, 12:39:53 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on June 06, 2009, 12:08:20 PM

first one sucked, but if this installment is more tomb raider and less gears of sahara, i'll get it

still, nathan drake is a vile character

It's even more Gears of Sahara according to Garnett Lee.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #55 on:** June 06, 2009, 12:50:59 PM »

good thing there are plenty of other great games coming out like wii sports resort, the conduit, dead space extraction etc etc. enough that i don't even need to care about those other dum games

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #56 on:** June 06, 2009, 01:18:23 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 06, 2009, 12:50:59 PM

good thing there are plenty of other great games coming out like wii sports resort, the conduit, dead space extraction etc etc. enough that i don't even need to care about those other dum games

yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying

go play metal shit solid

cool breeze · « **Reply #57 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:06:57 PM »

Dead Space Extraction looks great

Quote from: dammitmattt on June 06, 2009, 12:39:53 PM

It's even more Gears of Sahara according to Garnett Lee.

According to Naughty Dog, thinking it's more Gears of Sahara or whatever was a knee jerk reaction to the press conference demo. Apparently Modern Warfare 2 is now 1/3rd an ice climbing game.

demi · « **Reply #58 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:32:55 PM »

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #59 on:** June 06, 2009, 07:26:19 PM »

the only third-person shooter I have ever played is Dirge of Cerberus

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Author Topic: Am I the only one who's not really jazzed on Uncharted 2? (Read 4726 times)