BREAKING: 13 dead, 31 injured in Fort Hood shooting, FoC tragically still alive.

[Brehvolution]

 
People hated bush for things HE DID, not for things they THINK he might do.

[Crushed]

What's with the hypocrisy liberals?!?!

Obama not magically preventing a crazy military doctor from going nuts and shooting up his base is exactly like when Bush ignored intelligence warnings for months about a possible coordinated foreign terrorist attack on major civilian landmarks and the Pentagon! Yet you attack Bush and let Obama get off scot-free... for shame.

[tiesto]

Heard about this on the news last nite, this is fucking terrible 

[The Fake Shemp]

Soldiers who witnessed the rampage reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" – an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" – before opening fire...

The neighbor, Patricia Villa, said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came over to her apartment Wednesday and Thursday and offered her some items, including a new Quran, saying he was going to be deployed on Friday.

One of the web posts that authorities reviewed was a blog that equated suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the post. "Scholars have paralled [sic] this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News. "He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June.

An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings. Col Lee alleged that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York. He claimed he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling" during heated arguments with other officers.

... I guess there were no warning signs.

[FlameOfCallandor]

 
[youtube=560,345]T0hiw8iXdMM[/youtube]

Doesn't he have advisors that tell him what's going on?

[The Fake Shemp]

Michelle Malkin responds to the attacks, posting one of the worst right wing columns I have ever read - which includes this gem:

FYI: Convicted Beltway sniper John Muhammad is scheduled to be executed next week. No doubt the families of the Muslim sniper victims are re-living the horror tonight.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And I say that as someone who lived in Montgomery County during those attacks.

[The Fake Shemp]

[youtube=560,345]T0hiw8iXdMM[/youtube]

Doesn't he have advisors that tell him what's going on?

... It wasn't a press conference. He actually preempted his original speech for this already planned event to talk about the shootings, which while tragic, have absolutely no bearing on the tribal nations conference.

That same criticism was also in Michelle Malkin's little stream of consciousness that I linked, so I'm not surprised to see you regurgitate it.

Man, the right wing nut jobs are at it this morning, with Jerome Corsi alleging that the shooter advised President Obama.

[Flannel Boy]

Nothing Arabic/Muslim about malik/malek. 

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God damn it Jinfash

[Flannel Boy]

Damn, me and Malek look kind of the same.
Maybe we are long lost brothers, with a genetic disposition towards avoidant personality disorder.

I'd say that we should get together, but neither of us would show up.

[Himu]

I have friends there. They're all okay though.

[Great Rumbler]

I still find this whole situation ironic.

That was the stupidest video I have ever seen. If it said, "no he's not... he's in a bodybag on his way home." the video would have been MUCH better.

smh

[Phoenix Dark]

I watched the Obama comment on this yesterday, wondering what strategy the right would take in criticizing it. Well, Malkin answered the question for me. Utterly disgusting, and there's a pattern here of her (and others) questioning Obama's responses to tragedies. It's so fucking obvious their sole intent is to make him look as un-American and inhuman as possible, and it truly pisses me the fuck off. I'm watching the "entire, unedited" clip posted and so far it's Obama...giving an intro to the speech scheduled (on Native Americans) before addressing what happen at Fort Hood.

And fuck you FoC. This isn't even a political issue. Soldiers would be there regardless of whether a war was going on or not. I don't know whether you've been trolling the last couple days or not, but you're coming off like a complete and utter piece of shit. You constantly make  comments without analyzing or knowing the facts, and your quest to find hypocritical liberals is childish at best.

[Flannel Boy]

You constantly make  comments without analyzing or knowing the facts

[Phoenix Dark]

At least I'm working on my own short comings. FoC revels in his like a pig in mud

[Flannel Boy]

At least I'm working on my own short comings. FoC revels in his like a pig in mud

I'm just pissed at you for posting that brutal jonas brothers photoshop of me.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/fox-and-friends-hosts-wor_n_348663.html

Jesus fucking christ.

[The Fake Shemp]

That's like that GOP candidate that said Muslim extremists are infiltrating the military. Bigots.

[Phoenix Dark]

One conservative writer is already declaring -- without citing any evidence -- that Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter who killed 13 at Fort Hood yesterday, was acting at the behest of the Muslim Brotherhood. So it's a good time to lay out what we do and don't know about the Fort Hood shooting case and the Army psychiatrist at the center of it.

In an interview with Frontpagemag, author Dave Gaubatz blames the Fort Hood killings on, among other Muslim groups, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He says that Hasan was carrying out "the orders of the Muslim Brotherhood." And he suggests that Hasan was sent out by radical Muslim leaders:

"Malik Nabal Hasan [sic] is a terrorist supporting the ideology of Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and yes, CAIR. In Palestine, the leaders send out the young and vulnerable to carry out the murders in the name of Islam. The same is happening in America."

In fact, CAIR released a statement denouncing the shootings almost immediately after reports of the incident (snip)

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/conservatives_say_nidal_malik_hasan_is_muslim_brot.php?ref=mp

WDN connects shooter to Obama
http://washingtonindependent.com/66931/birther-site-is-already-lying-about-ft-hood-shooter-and-obama

Will Fox touch this nonsense?

[Brehvolution]

We are just going to have to face the fact that every negative thing that happens will be tied in some way to Obama. And we need to be there to ridicule it every step of the way.

[FlameOfCallandor]

We are just going to have to face the fact that every negative thing that happens will be tied in some way to Obama. And we need to be there to ridicule it every step of the way.

Just like every president... It's not like this is anything new.

[Brehvolution]

Nope

[Phoenix Dark]

True. Of course there were people who did the same thing to Bush, but the most ridiculous charges against him were from far left radio hosts and irrelevant blogs. Now we have elected officials questioning the president's birth certificate, a news station dedicated to giving air time to every smear aimed at him, and far right bloggers/commentators being brought to the mainstream through said news station. I'd imagine FoC will quote this and respond "bububu CBS/MSNBC!" but whatever. Those stations follow the leader, which is whatever nonsense the beltway is peddling that week ("x is good for the dems; is y hurting the gop; bipartisanship hooha").

The only solace is that the GOP may be throwing a great opportunity out the window in order to run to the hard right. The economy will still be meh next year, but it would have to be a disaster zone for these wingnuts to take over

[APF]

I think the larger question isn't simply about the GOP, although they are completely headless and eccentric. It's about the progression of media outlets to even more entertainment-focused banality in an effort to find a market outside of simply relating the news of the day, something better done by passing around headlines on Twitter / etc.

[The Fake Shemp]

News reports make it sound like he had a stack of Quarans that he gave out before the shooting.

[rodi]

I wish my ex was there. Unfortunately, the bitch's deployed. Damn it.

[Cormacaroni]

Was quite disheartened to hear Obama call this "one of the worst mass shootings..." (here's where I expected him to say "...on American soil") "....in an American military facility".

jeez. This isn't even the worst one? WTF is wrong with you people? I come from Northern Ireland, where we had ACTUAL ORGANIZED AND WELL-FUNDED TERRORISTS for decades and still we couldn't hold a candle to the shit your own citizens pull off single-handedly on a regular basis.

[The Fake Shemp]

Virginia Tech, a couple of years ago, is still the worst mass shooting. I think he killed like 30 people.

[Great Rumbler]

Virginia Tech, a couple of years ago, is still the worst mass shooting. I think he killed like 30 people.

And, just 19 years ago, there was the Luby's massacre in Killeen, Texas [a town adjacent to Fort Hood] where a guy rolled into the local Luby's and killed 23 people. That was the worst mass shooting up until the Virginia Tech shooting.

[twerd]

Virginia Tech, a couple of years ago, is still the worst mass shooting. I think he killed like 30 people.

And, just 19 years ago, there was the Luby's massacre in Killeen, Texas [a town adjacent to Fort Hood] where a guy rolled into the local Luby's and killed 23 people. That was the worst mass shooting up until the Virginia Tech shooting.

i remember hearing about that shit. fuck man, why you gotta hit luby's. so good

[Human Snorenado]

Was quite disheartened to hear Obama call this "one of the worst mass shootings..." (here's where I expected him to say "...on American soil") "....in an American military facility".

jeez. This isn't even the worst one? WTF is wrong with you people? I come from Northern Ireland, where we had ACTUAL ORGANIZED AND WELL-FUNDED TERRORISTS for decades and still we couldn't hold a candle to the shit your own citizens pull off single-handedly on a regular basis.

Everyone knows the Irish aren't good at anything but drinking and failure.  You are the Polacks of Western Europe.  We're number one!   

The Irish are also good at producing hot chicks and literature.  Oh, and all sorts of alcoholic beverages.  Guinness and Jameson ftw.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Was quite disheartened to hear Obama call this "one of the worst mass shootings..." (here's where I expected him to say "...on American soil") "....in an American military facility".

jeez. This isn't even the worst one? WTF is wrong with you people? I come from Northern Ireland, where we had ACTUAL ORGANIZED AND WELL-FUNDED TERRORISTS for decades and still we couldn't hold a candle to the shit your own citizens pull off single-handedly on a regular basis.

It's the same problem as what happened with Katrina.  We keep getting told by NRA and gun nuts that a modern justification as to why we have the second amendment is to stop mass shootings.  Then someone shoots up a military facility.  With Katrina, we were told that we had to spend hundreds of billions, forfeiture of civil rights, to stop terrorism and handle catastrophic events quickly after 9/11.  With Katrina, everything was completely bungled, exposing Homeland Security to be a total joke.

Right wing talking points not holding up in reality is nothing new and it is not surprising that they are linking this guy to Obama.  They are completely shameless, which is why any Democrat and sane Republican can't and should no longer work with the fringe right wing.  I'm kind of glad they want to split and form a new party.

[Great Rumbler]

Virginia Tech, a couple of years ago, is still the worst mass shooting. I think he killed like 30 people.

And, just 19 years ago, there was the Luby's massacre in Killeen, Texas [a town adjacent to Fort Hood] where a guy rolled into the local Luby's and killed 23 people. That was the worst mass shooting up until the Virginia Tech shooting.

i remember hearing about that shit. fuck man, why you gotta hit luby's. so good

It's been AGES since I got eat at a family restaurant like Luby's.  :'(

[Cormacaroni]

Virginia Tech, a couple of years ago, is still the worst mass shooting. I think he killed like 30 people.

yes, but my point was that this apparently wasn't even the worst mass shooting in a MILITARY FACILITY. The US has had so many of these things that they need to sub-categorize in order to dramatize it now. Next the news will have to talk about the "worst mass shooting by a female" or "worst mass shooting by a Postal employee".

[The Fake Shemp]

This year's winner for best mass shooting in a restaurant and/or bar venue goes to...

[Crushed]

That reminds me, Fox's website had a list of shootings in their article that skipped over a bunch of right-wing or fanatical Christian shooters. 

[Bocsius]

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This is why Americans hate soccer.

[Ganhyun]

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This is why Americans hate soccer.

 

Yea, most Americans would watch that and think pansies

[Tauntaun]

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[FlameOfCallandor]

The local paper said that the shooter had 9/11 links??

[Phoenix Dark]

Can't wait until someone asks Obama if he thinks this guy should be executed. Things will get real interesting 

[recursivelyenumerable]

You constantly make  comments without analyzing or knowing the facts

You start a conversation, you can't even finish it.  You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.  When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.  Say something once, why say it again?

[brawndolicious]

The local paper said that the shooter had 9/11 links??

He's connected to Bush?

[FlameOfCallandor]

The local paper said that the shooter had 9/11 links??

He's connected to Bush?

HEY YOU GUYS I HEAR 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!! Durpa

[brawndolicious]

The local paper said that the shooter had 9/11 links??

He's connected to Bush?

HEY YOU GUYS I HEAR 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!! Durpa

yeah, if you're a truther you're probably a paulite.

[Phoenix Dark]

The local paper said that the shooter had 9/11 links??

He's connected to Bush?

HEY YOU GUYS I HEAR 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!! Durpa

yeah, if you're a truther you're probably a paulite.

.

Paul is constantly on Alex Jones' show

[Phoenix Dark]

holy shit
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/conservative-christian-group-calls-for-ban-on-muslims-in-military.php?ref=fpblg

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/10/coverage-fort-hood-shooting-press-dodges-religious-component/

Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

The claim comes as the squabble grows among officials in different branches of law enforcement and the military over who knew what, and when, about Hasan's leanings toward faith-inspired violence, and amid charges that "political correctness" prevented officials from taking pre-emptive action.

Multiple investigators familiar with the FBI's review of the Fort Hood case told Fox News that they simply did not have enough evidence to launch an investigation. Though officials discovered Hasan's e-mails to the imam, one government counterterrorism  investigator said the messages suggested he was seeking "spiritual and religious guidance."

"(Hasan) appeared to be at a moral impasse, a moral dilemma who was reaching out for advice," the investigator said. "Had we launched an investigation of Hasan we'd have been crucified."

The investigator added that the communications were shared with the "appropriate chains," including the Department of Defense. The source suggested Hasan may have had other suspicious contacts, telling Fox News "no one missed anything or connections to nefarious individuals."

But even after the attacks, some have been reluctant to cite religion as a factor, as evidence has mounted that the alleged gunman's Muslim faith was at least a partial factor in the decision to mount the attack.

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley pointed to America's "love" affair with guns as the driving factor behind last week's shooting at Fort Hood, becoming the latest and possibly most prominent figure to show a reluctance to cite religion.

"Every day in society someone's being killed. Unfortunately, America loves guns. We love guns to a point that we see the devastation on a daily basis," Daley, whose city has suffered through a rash of violence, told reporters. "You don't blame a group. You don't blame a society, immigrant community because of actions of one group, one individual -- you cannot say that."

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence issued a statement last week saying that legislative measures to increase the availability of guns should be rejected in light of the attack.

"This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places," the organization's president, Paul Helmke, said.

The message was aimed specifically at a proposal backed by the gun lobby and Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., to protect the right of veterans to own guns. Burr responded by accusing Helmke of exploiting the tragedy.

"It is a shame that this process has gotten to a point where some feel that they can exploit the senseless murder of American soldiers in the quest to secure personal triumph," Burr said.

Witnesses report hearing Hasan yell "Allahu Akbar" -- "God is Great" -- during the rampage. Hasan once gave a presentation justifying homicide bombings, according to a witness. In one presentation, he also urged the military to let Muslim members leave the service to avoid "adverse" effects.

But some pointed to stress as a leading factor.

"We're dealing with a very different kind of war here," Dr. Phil McGraw, a celebrity psychologist, told CNN's Larry King on Thursday night. "And we know that there is a tremendous degree of stress with this war. And I think the military will tell you that it's a new animal and nobody knows exactly what to do with it."

But with "political correctness" cited as a reason why warning signs from Hasan were potentially overlooked by the military in the first place, some see Hasan being treated the same way in the wake of the shooting.

Bernard Goldberg, a former CBS News correspondent, took the media to task for its coverage.

"What's the story line they run with? Religion? Of course not. Can't do that. He's a Muslim," he said Friday on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor." "They run with post-traumatic stress syndrome because that gives them a chance to take a shot at a couple of wars they never liked from the get-go."

Privately, top Army officers have acknowledged that the massacre may have been a terrorist act.

In a series of e-mails sent 24 hours after the shootings and obtained by Fox News, one colonel in a two-star command instructed subordinate officers: "Please send a message to our training centers, the (logistics support bases), and the (divisions) advising them of ...(their) responsibility to provide this command a status of their respective anti-terrorism plans."

Publicly, however, the army's chief of staff seemed reluctant to acknowledge what appears to be the dominant factor in Hasan's world view: his turn toward Islamist views as he turned against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers," said Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey. "And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here."

Some other commentators took note of Hasan's faith only to suggest that its consideration served  to rile up conservatives.

"I cringe that he's a Muslim," said Evan Thomas of Newsweek. "I mean, because it inflames all the fears. I think he's probably just a nut case. But with that label attached to him, it will get the right wing going and it just -- I mean these things are tragic, but that makes it much worse."

Fox News contributor Monica Crowley called that assessment "incredible."

"I think he's knee-deep in political correctness, as so many people are, including now, as we know, the United States military. Political correctness is turning out to be the death of this country," she said.

Satirical blogger Barry Rubin of "The Rubin Report" wondered if today's New York Times covering the Lincoln assassination would overlook the fact that John Wilkes Booth shouted out a Confederate motto after the shooting and report instead that he "was psychologically unstable...frightened of the Civil War coming to an end and having to face a peacetime actors' surplus."

Political correctness

[Crushed]

fox news dot com

[Phoenix Dark]

government investigator

[brawndolicious]

So as far as I know, the only link he has to any terrorist group is that he may have attended a mosque who's mullah was very anti-western, but condemned the 9/11 hijackers, and that that mullah's lectures were downloaded by terrorists no doubt because terrorists download everything anti-western.

Foc, do you think that it was mroe likely that this was a terrorist attack or just another random mass shooting (like columbine, virginia tech, etc)?

[Oblivion]

Strident libertarian FoC

Nah, the more FoC posts, the clearer it seems to be that he's just another conservative who seems to be ashamed of referring himself as such.

[FlameOfCallandor]

How so?

[Phoenix Dark]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/wolf-blitzer-quesitons-how-hasans-lawyer-can-represent-someone-accused-of-mass-murder.php?ref=fpblg

I forgot Blitzer was still on tv. I see he's still a fucking dumbfuck

[Oblivion]

How so?

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32366.msg967485#msg967485

[chronovore]

Strident libertarian FoC thinks that the government should investigate any and all links, no matter how small, between citizens and mooselman radicals.

I misread this as "Student librarian"