Author Topic: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts (Read 25771 times)

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #60 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:05:12 PM »

waspy jew? now i'm super confused.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #61 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:12:08 PM »

Not Curb's target audience.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #62 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:13:50 PM »

Quote from: distantmantra on November 12, 2009, 03:53:12 PM

I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.

it's definitely a show for neurotic, over-analytical introverts, because it's basically our lives with only mild exaggeration.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #63 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:14:12 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 12, 2009, 04:10:32 PM

Quote from: Kranz Fafka on November 12, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
waspy jew? now i'm super confused.
exactly

there are other races of jews, but I see what you mean.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #64 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:15:05 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on November 12, 2009, 04:13:50 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on November 12, 2009, 03:53:12 PM
I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.

it's definitely a show for neurotic, over-analytical introverts, because it's basically our lives with only mild exaggeragation.

And this is why I love it.

Anyway, I'd replace F&G with Curb, and it'd pretty much be my personal top ten. Well, out of the shows I've seen. 11-30 is where it seems to get sketchy.

Reb · « **Reply #65 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:17:22 PM »

Freaks and Geeks

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #66 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:18:32 PM »

Halfway through the season, I absolutely adored it. The second half I didn't enjoy nearly as much, for whatever reason.

Diunx · « **Reply #67 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:19:32 PM »

The freaks and geeks chick is pretty hot.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #68 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:21:36 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on November 12, 2009, 04:19:32 PM

The freaks and geeks chick is pretty hot.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #69 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:29:53 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 04:18:32 PM

Halfway through the season, I absolutely adored it. The second half I didn't enjoy nearly as much, for whatever reason.

Because it was entirely random. I like punk now! I like disco now! I like the Grateful Dead now! I like Dungeons and Dragons now! Cindy is a Randroid now! Hey, Vice President Bush is visiting the school now!

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #70 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:31:16 PM »

Yeah, damn that show for having a different plot every week.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #71 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:31:29 PM »

Post the gif, Cajole!

Reb · « **Reply #72 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:31:55 PM »

Isn't that typical for that age group though?

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #73 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:32:31 PM »

Quote from: Rebiak on November 12, 2009, 04:31:55 PM

Isn't that typical for that age group though?

That's kinda how I thought of it.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #74 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:37:05 PM »

That's why teenagers suck! Old Jews FTW!

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #75 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:40:14 PM »

Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on November 12, 2009, 04:32:31 PM

Quote from: Rebiak on November 12, 2009, 04:31:55 PM
Isn't that typical for that age group though?

That's kinda how I thought of it.

Are you referring to how the freaks, most of whom were in a rock band, randomly changed their musical tastes? I would say it's not, especially when their music is part of their in-group identity and they all moved to dying or dead musical genres.

Also, it's entirely implausible for anyone with an IQ over 85 to have become a Deadhead in the 60s, let alone 80s!

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #76 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:43:14 PM »

What's-his-name got into disco to impress a girl while also try to make Lindsay jealous. That's a totally plausible course of action for a teenager.

The dead head thing was pretty dumb though I will admit.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #77 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:43:21 PM »

The D&D part of the show was pretty accurate for a High school Role Playing session.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #78 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:51:37 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 04:43:21 PM

The D&D part of the show was pretty accurate for a High school Role Playing session.

Speaking of which, how did that session come about? It only came about because Daniel was forced to join the AV club as punishment for attempting to a pull a fire alarm. That sounds like a realistic punishment and not a contrived plot device to get Daniel together with the Geeks.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #79 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:10:01 PM »

I need to put more attention into The Sopranos. So far I've only watched one episode, didn't really feel like continuing right away

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #80 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:07:50 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 12, 2009, 02:58:53 PM

Nah, terrible character. Everyone else in the show carries Chuck's whiny ass. i feel the same about Burn Notice that I do Chuck, good, but not great with better side characters than the main one. Dexter and House get a pass for the formulaic nature of their shows because the main characters are so awesome.

Really? I think Michael is pretty fuck-awesome on Burn Notice.

As much as I love Dexter, I always get the feeling that it's not as good a show as it might seem and they don't take his psycho/sociopathy far enough. Also, every second spent not with Dexter is almost painful - worst cast of any good show I can think of. Thankfully, the show is called Dexter, so his awesomeness goes a long way.

House should've made the list if only because it pushed traditional procedural drama so far, also most of it's supporting cast actually became pretty great characters - even seemingly lameos like Chase and Cameron.

Himu · « **Reply #81 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:11:23 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 12, 2009, 02:58:53 PM

Nah, terrible character. Everyone else in the show carries Chuck's whiny ass. i feel the same about Burn Notice that I do Chuck, good, but not great with better side characters than the main one. Dexter and House get a pass for the formulaic nature of their shows because the main characters are so awesome.

I like Chuck quite a bit and I completely agree about his character.

Also, I thought the Daniel being put in AV Club thing totally didn't feel realistic, and was one of the few moments in the series that felt contrived to me.

Himu · « **Reply #82 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:14:49 PM »

Quote from: BobFromPikeCreek on November 12, 2009, 04:43:14 PM

What's-his-name got into disco to impress a girl while also try to make Lindsay jealous. That's a totally plausible course of action for a teenager.

The dead head thing was pretty dumb though I will admit.

I disagree. He didn't start "liking" disco because he wanted to make Lindsay jealous, I think he finally got over and actually liked this girl and she introduced HIM to disco.

Also, wasn't punk just starting to get really popular around that time period? I thought it was pretty natural, because Daniel was trying to find out who he really was or what he enjoys.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #83 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:38:25 PM »

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Buffy's best years were in the 90s, not the aughts. In hindsight, I feel comfortable in saying that the show got really lame once she went to college.

I think while the average/overall quality was definitely higher in the early seasons, much of the really interesting stuff came in the later years (and I don't just mean the handful of famous high concept Whedon episodes) and the show as a whole as a phenomenon or whatever would've been a lot less interesting without the later years.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #84 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:57:36 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 12, 2009, 06:38:25 PM

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Buffy's best years were in the 90s, not the aughts. In hindsight, I feel comfortable in saying that the show got really lame once she went to college.

I think while the average/overall quality was definitely higher in the early seasons, much of the really interesting stuff came in the later years (and I don't just mean the handful of famous high concept Whedon episodes) and the show as a whole as a phenomenon or whatever would've been a lot less interesting without the later years.

That may be, but high school Buffy is still the best.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #85 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:32:44 PM »

The Shield keeps getting shat on

The fact that Breaking Bad and fucking Lost ranks higher is a disgrace

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #86 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:37:40 PM »

Just realized Peep Show was not mentioned anywhere on their lists. Maybe because it's never aired over here. But it's on Hulu now. Show is amazing.

GilloD · « **Reply #87 on:** November 13, 2009, 01:25:59 AM »

Quote from: Willco on November 12, 2009, 02:29:57 PM

I agree, shit like Wonder Showzen and Tim and Eric don't belong on there, and the total lack of It's Always Sunny is a travesty. I'd also include Chuck.

I think what we can all agree on is that this was the best decade for television programming since ever.

Wonder Showzen 100% deserves the nod. I adore T&E, but I'm never sure how 'good' it is.

border · « **Reply #88 on:** November 13, 2009, 01:46:31 AM »

This is probably one of the few "lists" where I've seen and am familiar with 90-95% of the content.

I can't really abide seeing The Wire at #1 though. I would easily rate Deadwood, The Shield, and Mad Men well above it -- and Sopranos too if we are allowed to count the first few seasons that were produced in the 90's.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #89 on:** November 13, 2009, 01:51:57 AM »

Quote from: border on November 13, 2009, 01:46:31 AM

This is probably one of the few "lists" where I've seen and am familiar with 90-95% of the content.

I can't really abide seeing The Wire at #1 though. I would easily rate Deadwood, The Shield, and Mad Men well above it -- and Sopranos too if we are allowed to count the first few seasons that were produced in the 90's.

Did you ever finish The Wire?

Akala · « **Reply #90 on:** November 13, 2009, 02:01:51 AM »

Quote from: Harry Lime on November 12, 2009, 02:42:58 PM

I'd put AD at number one.

The list is also missing House.

I'd agree.

border · « **Reply #91 on:** November 13, 2009, 02:20:49 AM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on November 13, 2009, 01:51:57 AM

Did you ever finish The Wire?

Watching Season 5 Episode 6 right now actually

I'm liking it a good deal more than S4 really. The subplots aren't completely out of control, and all the major players are back in action in a substantial way except for Daniels sadly. I still don't really care for Marlowe, and Omar continues to feel a bit tacked on.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #92 on:** November 13, 2009, 02:23:32 AM »

You are weird.

Mandark · « **Reply #93 on:** November 13, 2009, 02:28:15 AM »

Quote from: Willco on November 12, 2009, 02:53:08 PM

Why is "How I Met Your Mother" on this list.

Seconded.

Also, I'd have the Venture Brothers higher. I'd put the two-part S1 finale and S2 up against any stretch of any other show.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #94 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:11:11 AM »

Quote from: border on November 13, 2009, 02:20:49 AM

Quote from: OptimoPeach on November 13, 2009, 01:51:57 AM
Did you ever finish The Wire?

Watching Season 5 Episode 6 right now actually I'm liking it a good deal more than S4 really. The subplots aren't completely out of control, and all the major players are back in action in a substantial way except for Daniels sadly. I still don't really care for Marlowe, and Omar continues to feel a bit tacked on.

Reb · « **Reply #95 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:40:45 AM »

Yeah, House is the most mind-blowing omission.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #96 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:08:36 AM »

Quote from: border on November 13, 2009, 02:20:49 AM

Quote from: OptimoPeach on November 13, 2009, 01:51:57 AM
Did you ever finish The Wire?

Watching Season 5 Episode 6 right now actually I'm liking it a good deal more than S4 really. The subplots aren't completely out of control, and all the major players are back in action in a substantial way except for Daniels sadly. I still don't really care for Marlowe, and Omar continues to feel a bit tacked on.

I dunno; I think S5 fell a little flat (although the finale is practically flawless), but I don't want to say too much if you're only halfway through. S4 was clearly not planned from the beginning of the series, but I thought that they did a great job, all things considered. Marlo is totally dull, though, I agree.

I do think it's more consistent than The Sopranos and Deadwood, but I haven't finished The Shield yet.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2009, 03:11:11 AM

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Quote from: Rebiak on November 13, 2009, 03:40:45 AM

Yeah, House is the most mind-blowing omission.

Fuck House and his whiny brand of misanthropy

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #97 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:48:31 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 13, 2009, 02:28:15 AM

Quote from: Willco on November 12, 2009, 02:53:08 PM
Why is "How I Met Your Mother" on this list.

Seconded.

Also, I'd have the Venture Brothers higher. I'd put the two-part S1 finale and S2 up against any stretch of any other show.

yeah, venture brothers should definitely be higher up.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #98 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:47:54 AM »

Every list is flawed, more news at 11.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #99 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:14:31 PM »

Oh, Green Shinobi. Never change.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #100 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:43:12 PM »

Diunx · « **Reply #101 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:56:49 PM »

Entourage is awesome, the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Reb · « **Reply #102 on:** November 14, 2009, 06:33:01 AM »

Entourage is like McD, sure you can like it, but it will never be in the top 30 best.

Solo · « **Reply #103 on:** November 14, 2009, 07:49:05 AM »

Quote from: Diunx on November 13, 2009, 04:56:49 PM

Entourage is awesome, the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Its Sex in the City for men.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #104 on:** November 14, 2009, 09:04:47 AM »

Entourage is overrated but nowhere near as overrated as Weeds.

Still, The Shield needs to be in the Top 3

Mandark · « **Reply #105 on:** November 14, 2009, 09:11:12 PM »

lol entourage

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #106 on:** November 14, 2009, 09:15:04 PM »

Entourage is awful, and I usually like shitty things apparently

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #107 on:** November 14, 2009, 09:20:08 PM »

Entourage

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #108 on:** November 14, 2009, 10:22:54 PM »

I swear to God, I remember half of you praising the first few seasons of Entourage a couple years back

Mandark · « **Reply #109 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:13:06 AM »

Pshhhh.

Next you'll be telling us how they snubbed MTV Cribs.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #110 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:18:07 AM »

I'm just speaking for myself but I think Entourage and Weeds aren't that bad but they're overrated as fuck. Well, Weeds is fucking terrible but Entourage is a fluff TV show and to see what assholish thing Ari Gold might do this week. It's like Tucker Max: The TV Show.

Mandark · « **Reply #111 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:10:27 AM »

TVC and I and some other people wasted a lot of time overanalyzing why it sucks a couple years back, here and at GAF.

Short version: If it's a drama, then it sucks because the plot meanders all the time. If it's a comedy it sucks because it's not funny. Some of the actors (E and Vince) are outright terrible. 80% of the celebrity cameos add nothing.

Ari's the only character you can count on. When he's not around, it veers into lifestyle porn and hideously boring relationship plotlines.

Not to say it doesn't have its moments, or that it's unwatchable. But no way does it get a high spot in the canon.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #112 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:12:12 AM »

In short 24>Entourage

Mandark · « **Reply #113 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:20:29 AM »

Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 15, 2009, 02:18:06 AM

I laugh my ass off at the comedic moments and have gotten teary-eyed on a few occasions during the dramatic moments. Agree to disagree I guess.

Please be more "constructive" and explain why I should like this show.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #114 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:31:59 PM »

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Diunx · « **Reply #115 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:31:30 PM »

Entourage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The office>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30 Rock.

Diunx · « **Reply #116 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:40:10 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #117 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:43:05 PM »

Futurama is better than any of them.

Diunx · « **Reply #118 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:44:27 PM »

Futurama is overrated.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #119 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:50:40 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on November 16, 2009, 04:44:27 PM

Futurama is overrated.

At least it's rated. Unlike Entourage. Which didn't make the list. Because it sucks.

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Author Topic: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts (Read 25771 times)