Aonuma says next Zelda will be different

[MCD]

I will be interested if the game comes bundled with this motionplus.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm really perplexed by folks against smart motion controls.  Indiscriminate waggle kinda sucks, but otherwise its fun doing stuff like blocking high/low in wii sports resort and such.

[bork]

I'm really perplexed by folks against smart motion controls.  Indiscriminate waggle kinda sucks, but otherwise its fun doing stuff like blocking high/low in wii sports resort and such.

I find all that stuff gimmicky.  It's great for Wii Sports Resort's little mini games, since you're just doing everything in short bursts, but no thanks on huge, lengthy games like Zelda.  I'd actually like to check out Twilight Princess, but damn that waggle shit sucks.  Maybe one day I'll get the GC version.

[bork]

By the way, I've yet to play Okami.  Amazon has the Wii version for $16.99 and the PS2 version for $19.99.  Is the Wii version worth checking out?  I thought I read somewhere that it wasn't missing some little details here and there that the PS2 version has.

[Oblivion]

I'm not a fan of waggle either, but at this point, nobody should be surprised that they decided to go with motion control for Zelda Wii, especially since TP was pretty successful.

[cool breeze]

I'm really perplexed by folks against smart motion controls.  Indiscriminate waggle kinda sucks, but otherwise its fun doing stuff like blocking high/low in wii sports resort and such.

I think it's because for the past two and half years there hasn't been good motion control on the system, and the best example is a tech demo that requires motion plus.  After playing the Wii Sports Resort sword game, I'd be fine with a Zelda gaming having a more advanced form of that. 

[bork]

But if you hated the waggle motions in Twilight Princess, you won't like these either. If, on the other hand, you were fine with the controls in Nintendo's adventure, you will again be fine with Okami's selection. We will note, though, that attacking enemies with Okami's waggle requires more precise timing than swiping with Link's sword. If you get the timing down, you'll be deadly. If not, Amaterasu will be left open to attacks.

Never mind, PS2 it is.

[TakingBackSunday]

the lyte edge, gtfo

[bork]

No, after this--

No, he's right, 2D Zelda is vastly overrated.  Oracle games and FSA are the only ones I'm truly in love with, if you can count FSA.

3D Zeldas are king.

edit: NSMBWii is not better than Galaxy.  It's very very good, one of the best Mario games...well, ever I'd say, but Galaxy reigns supreme.

You GTFO.  You should be banned for that post. 

[Bildi]

I don't know what others think but I don't find Okami very good.  I've tried three times to give it a fair go but it's a struggle and I lose the will to go on after just a few hours.  I think I'm about 20 hours in but not sure if I'll ever go back again.

[Don Flamenco]

I don't know what others think but I don't find Okami very good.  I've tried three times to give it a fair go but it's a struggle and I lose the will to go on after just a few hours.  I think I'm about 20 hours in but not sure if I'll ever go back again.

i'm in the same place.  I pick it up every few months, get wowed by the atmosphere for a couple hours, but then realize I'm bored with the gameplay. 

It's just too damn long. I've got about 25 hours in too and I can't play anymore.

[TakingBackSunday]

Okami is super super boring.  I've tried three separate times to get into it and I just couldn't even find the motivation to play past 5 or 6 hours.

[Himu]

I don't know what others think but I don't find Okami very good.  I've tried three times to give it a fair go but it's a struggle and I lose the will to go on after just a few hours.  I think I'm about 20 hours in but not sure if I'll ever go back again.

Okami is average aside from graphics.

Ahead of my time.

[bork]

Okami is super boring but the 3D Zeldas aren't?  Aren't they really similar?

[Himu]

OoT, TP and MM don't spell out the puzzles for you and have clever dungeon design. So no.

3d Zelda also doesn't place story on a pedestal like Okami.

Okami is super boring for anyone who wants actually good game design and not gimmicky bullshit. Game would be better if it were 10-15 hours instead of 30-40.

[bork]

OoT, TP and MM don't spell out the puzzles for you and have clever dungeon design. So no.

3d Zelda also doesn't place story on a pedestal like Okami.

Okami is super boring for anyone who wants actually good game design and not gimmicky bullshit. Game would be better if it were 10-15 hours instead of 30-40.

LOL

[TakingBackSunday]

What's LOL about it?  We need Prole up in this bitch to defend (most) of the 3D Zelda titles.

[bork]

The "gimmicky bullshit" part.  Wouldn't that apply to the masks and time stuff in Majora and the waggle in Twilight Princess?  And this is also coming from Killer 7 fan #1.

I'd love to see what Prole thinks about the 3D Zeldas versus Okami.  I have not played the latter and cannot comment. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

Prole thinks Okami is the best 3d zelda.  Himuro is right though, Okami just proves how hard it has been for anyone to successfully duplicate the zelda formula.  Its gabby, too much filler, combat is segmented from the rest of the game like a jrpg.  BARF

[cool breeze]

Okami is super super boring.  I've tried three separate times to get into it and I just couldn't even find the motivation to play past 5 or 6 hours.

As dumb as it sounds, Okami picks up after that.  For me I think it took just under 10 hours for it to get good.  And I liked Okami, just not as much as 3D Zelda games.

As for the length of the game, it didn't feel long since it felt like it was broken into three games.  It's not like Zelda games where it's find this set of things, now find this set of things.  Each third of the game feels like a complete game with an end boss.  Okami 2 was the best.  Okami 3 was probably the worst.

[bork]

Prole thinks Okami is the best 3d zelda.  Himuro is right though, Okami just proves how hard it has been for anyone to successfully duplicate the zelda formula.  Its gabby, too much filler, combat is segmented from the rest of the game like a jrpg.  BARF

You mean besides the Capcom/Flagship-developed Zeldas?   Or Alundra?  Or Y's?

My favorite action-RPG Zelda-style game remains Landstalker, BTW.  Challenging as hell.

[Himu]

Okami never picks up. In fact, it's at its best at the beginning of the game.

[Himu]

The "gimmicky bullshit" part.  Wouldn't that apply to the masks and time stuff in Majora and the waggle in Twilight Princess?  And this is also coming from Killer 7 fan #1.

I'd love to see what Prole thinks about the 3D Zeldas versus Okami.  I have not played the latter and cannot comment. 

In what way is Majora's Mask gimmicky? It's just as "gimmicky" as Link to the Past's light/dark world.

Prole thinks Okami is the best 3d zelda.  Himuro is right though, Okami just proves how hard it has been for anyone to successfully duplicate the zelda formula.  Its gabby, too much filler, combat is segmented from the rest of the game like a jrpg.  BARF

You mean besides the Capcom/Flagship-developed Zeldas?   Or Alundra?  Or Y's?

My favorite action-RPG Zelda-style game remains Landstalker, BTW.  Challenging as hell.

Y's is...nothing like Zelda...

[bork]

The "gimmicky bullshit" part.  Wouldn't that apply to the masks and time stuff in Majora and the waggle in Twilight Princess?  And this is also coming from Killer 7 fan #1.

I'd love to see what Prole thinks about the 3D Zeldas versus Okami.  I have not played the latter and cannot comment. 

In what way is Majora's Mask gimmicky? It's just as "gimmicky" as Link to the Past's light/dark world.

The whole time resetting itself thing and the masks.  What I said already.  I couldn't get into the game.  I certainly tried.  Still own it on the GC Zelda Collection.  As I have said, I am generally not a big fan of Nintendo's 3D efforts.   Galaxy's great, and that's about it for me. 

[Bildi]

Okami is super boring but the 3D Zeldas aren't?  Aren't they really similar?

That's what I'd heard too, but it doesn't seem to be the case.  I'm not really sure what it is specifically, overall it's just not compelling.

I've read it gets very drawn out towards the end so I was prepared for that, but I haven't even got that far.  In 20 hours I've only been through one dungeon.  It was quite good, but it's not enough.

If you find the start of 3D Zeldas a bit slow this is going to put you in a coma.

[Himu]

When I mean gimmicky, I mean "unique" control (ie drawing objects to solve puzzles and fight monsters).

[bork]

LOL, Y's is nothing like Zelda?

The drawing objects stuff sounds no more gimmicky than anything in the other Zelda games you have brought up.

[Oblivion]

What's LOL about it?  We need Prole up in this bitch to defend (most) of the 3D Zelda titles.

Nah, not  in this instance. He loved Okami iirc, and I think would rate it higher than MM, TP, WW and OoT (which I think he hates nowadays).

[cool breeze]

I'm lost.  Are we supposed to be projecting for Prole now or trying are we still on the whole double standard trip?

[demi]

eh? how is Ys nothing like Zelda. you go to dungeons, you talk to people, you get stronger. what does it do thats different.

[Himu]

You're right, it is pretty similar. I meant the genre label. Aside from Zelda 2 I've never really considered Zelda an rpg.

Honestly, the game I liked the most that could be considered a Zelda clone was Beyond Oasis.

[bork]

You're right, it is pretty similar. I meant the genre label. Aside from Zelda 2 I've never really considered Zelda an rpg.

Honestly, the game I liked the most that could be considered a Zelda clone was Beyond Oasis.

Oh yeah, Beyond Oasis was pretty good.  Couldn't get into Legend Of Oasis though.

All these games are in the "action/RPG" genre.  At some point during this decade, you'd get fanboys proclaiming them not to be.  Whatever.

[TakingBackSunday]

y'all a buncha fegs

[Rman]

Lotsa retardedness going on in this thread.

NO 3D OR GIMMICKY BULLSHIT.

I have to agree, especially since Wii graphics are so underpowered. 

[Trent Dole]

Okami's awesome, fuck the haters. 

[tiesto]

eh? how is Ys nothing like Zelda. you go to dungeons, you talk to people, you get stronger. what does it do thats different.

Experience/leveling (which is only in Zelda 2), more emphasis on equipment/stats

[Don Flamenco]

Okami is super boring but the 3D Zeldas aren't?  Aren't they really similar?

Zelda is pretty boring too.  Uninteresting overworld, your reward for exploration is rupees you can't carry, the formula is old and busted. 

[demi]

eh? how is Ys nothing like Zelda. you go to dungeons, you talk to people, you get stronger. what does it do thats different.

Experience/leveling (which is only in Zelda 2), more emphasis on equipment/stats

Still a Zelda clone, bro

[Himu]

Okami is super boring but the 3D Zeldas aren't?  Aren't they really similar?

Zelda is pretty boring too.  Uninteresting overworld, your reward for exploration is rupees you can't carry, the formula is old and busted. 

Is there any Zelda with a good overworld except Zelda 1?

[TakingBackSunday]

Twilight Princess had an awesome overworld goddamit.

fuck yall I am never talking Zelda with you heathens ever again

[Crushed]

the only thing brandnew dislikes about TP is that Link's tights seem a bit too baggy and unhip

[Himu]

Twilight Princess had an awesome overworld goddamit.

fuck yall I am never talking Zelda with you heathens ever again

TP has a boring overworld, so does OoT and Link to the Past and many others. At least to me.

The only Zeda's where I like the overworld are Zelda 1, Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask and Wind Waker.

[Human Snorenado]

lyte edge is just a queer for anything 2D.

[bork]

lyte edge is just a queer for anything 2D.

 

[Don Flamenco]

Twilight Princess had an awesome overworld goddamit.

fuck yall I am never talking Zelda with you heathens ever again

Awesome terrain but with nothing to do. 

[TakingBackSunday]

Twilight Princess had an awesome overworld goddamit.

fuck yall I am never talking Zelda with you heathens ever again

Awesome terrain but with nothing to do. 

surprise: every Zelda game can be qualified like this except Zelda 1.  Which isn't that great anymore, cause it's old as farts.

[Don Flamenco]

There wasn't anything special to do in Zelda 1's overworld either...it was cool because it was there and nobody had seen anything like that in a game before.   

I like the 2D zelda overworlds...but in 3D, they are pretty barren and can't escape being compared to games with overworlds that have things to do in them.

[TakingBackSunday]

There's plenty to do in TP's overworld, but I will agree the incentive is missing these days.  Something I hope they fix.

[Beezy]

Majora's Mask is the only Zelda game I can think of that had worthwhile sidequests and a lot that you could do on the overworld. TP definitely did not and sailing in WW got annoying quick.

[TakingBackSunday]

Wait, wtf could you do in Majora's overworld other than sparse hidden holes and random "play this tune" ocarina walls?  The game's sidequests were awesome but had one of the worst overworlds in the entire series.

At least in TP, it's large, pretty looking, and has much much more secret caverns to explore.  The reward usually isn't worth it, but TP had plenty of shit to do.

[Don Flamenco]

more fucking rupees!     which, even if you didn't have a limited purse, couldn't buy anything anyway because there's nothing to buy!

[TakingBackSunday]

Hey, I said I agreed with you on that point.  The incentive isn't there anymore, sadly.  Rupees wouldn't be such a bad thing if we could use them.

Granted I've NEVER bought things in Zelda games.

[cool breeze]

If anything, Demon's Soul shows how much more engaging slow paced combat could be. 

[Barry Egan]

MM's overworld was small and had more enemies in it per capita.  That's why it was the best 3d zelda overworld. 

[Himu]

There wasn't anything special to do in Zelda 1's overworld either...it was cool because it was there and nobody had seen anything like that in a game before.   

I like the 2D zelda overworlds...but in 3D, they are pretty barren and can't escape being compared to games with overworlds that have things to do in them.

2d Zelda is just as barren as 3d Zelda.

[TakingBackSunday]

There wasn't anything special to do in Zelda 1's overworld either...it was cool because it was there and nobody had seen anything like that in a game before.   

I like the 2D zelda overworlds...but in 3D, they are pretty barren and can't escape being compared to games with overworlds that have things to do in them.

2d Zelda is just as barren as 3d Zelda.

You haven't played the Oracle games.  Their overworld's are rad as fuck.

[Cravis]

It's going to be Link from the apocalyptic Judgment Day future of the Terminator series. He goes back in time to save Princess Zelda from a cybernetic shape shifting Gannondorf who's gone back in time to kill her. They're going to try to reel in the mature audience with an abundance of gore and an emotional story. "Come with me if you want to live... bitch."

I'd buy it.

[Trent Dole]

Okami is garbage. What's up with you weaboos latching on to this crap? First Killer 7 and now this?

shameful

NO U

[Phoenix Dark]

As I said, they're going to come up with a new play mechanic while still offering the same puzzles, the same dungeons, the same mechanics. Moving blocks to open doors doesn't become more innovative if I'm using Motion+

[Oblivion]

When people refer to the overworld, are they referring to just the hubs (both Hyrule fields, and Termina field) or do they mean any area that's not a dungeon? If it's the former, I think TP's really the only one that did it right so far.

I also like 2D Zelda overworlds.