BARRY WHEELER: THE VIDEOGAME (guest starring Alan Wake) discussion

[brawndolicious]

Killzone 2 is rendered at 720p.

The particles for example are at 1/4 the resolution, yet the game looks great.  Largely due to the low contrast and post-processing (similar to AW).

The HUD is the only part of Alan Wake that is 720p.

currently, pixel-counters can only measure HUD and polygon pixels, disregarding the fact that modern engines have so many different parts with different resolutions.  All that matters is how good the final product looks (to the naked eye).  I don't see why resolution by itself would matter to anyone from a technical or aesthetic standpoint.

[maxy]

Confirmed to be 540p.

At this rate, the only 360 game that will unseat GeOW2 from the 'graphics throne' will be GeOW3.

Do you understand what are you saying now?

Some(very weak) PC can run quake 3 at 1080p and acording to you

graphically
quake 3>>>uncharted 2...easily

A little example Bioshock 2 PS3 runs at pixel counting "720p",but on screen effects run at 360p-upscaled to 720p of course
But in the case of Bioshock 2 those effect are always on,sometimes nothing else is on screen except them.
So someone could easily claim that Bioshock 2 PS3 is a 360p game.

Killzone 2 is very similar.

Why is this pixel counting stuff so popular(especially among fanboys)?Simple,very easy to detect,hard number to hang on
But in the end it's no more important than shadow map res,etc etc...some games even change it on fly



 

A 540p game cannot be the graphics king on a HD platform because from a technical perspective a resolution of 540p is a complete joke.

Killzone 2 is rendered at 720p. MGS4 is not, GTA4(Ps3 version) is not, Alan Wake is not, Splinter Cell: Conviction is not, all Halo games (including Reach and excluding the spinoff) are not, etc etc.

GeOW3 will more than likely be rendered at a resolution of 720p, and it will more than likely be the best looking game on 360.

Live in denial or learn to accept the facts.

Killzone 2 is rendered at 720p

Some things are 720p,some things are not...

I don't think that you understand anything...

Do you really think that CG in a movie like Avatar "rendered" in 480p can't be a "graphics king"*...really???

We would be lucky if games would ship with that level of detail.

*Whatever that means

[TripleA]

Confirmed to be 540p.

At this rate, the only 360 game that will unseat GeOW2 from the 'graphics throne' will be GeOW3.

Do you understand what are you saying now?

Some(very weak) PC can run quake 3 at 1080p and acording to you

graphically
quake 3>>>uncharted 2...easily

A little example Bioshock 2 PS3 runs at pixel counting "720p",but on screen effects run at 360p-upscaled to 720p of course
But in the case of Bioshock 2 those effect are always on,sometimes nothing else is on screen except them.
So someone could easily claim that Bioshock 2 PS3 is a 360p game.

Killzone 2 is very similar.

Why is this pixel counting stuff so popular(especially among fanboys)?Simple,very easy to detect,hard number to hang on
But in the end it's no more important than shadow map res,etc etc...some games even change it on fly



 

A 540p game cannot be the graphics king on a HD platform because from a technical perspective a resolution of 540p is a complete joke.

Killzone 2 is rendered at 720p. MGS4 is not, GTA4(Ps3 version) is not, Alan Wake is not, Splinter Cell: Conviction is not, all Halo games (including Reach and excluding the spinoff) are not, etc etc.

GeOW3 will more than likely be rendered at a resolution of 720p, and it will more than likely be the best looking game on 360.

Live in denial or learn to accept the facts.

Killzone 2 is rendered at 720p

Some things are 720p,some things are not...

I don't think that you understand anything...

Do you really think that CG in a movie like Avatar "rendered" in 480p can't be a "graphics king"*...really???

We would be lucky if games would ship with that level of detail.

*Whatever that means

Killzone 2s native resolution is 720p, particle effects are sub-HD.

Alan Wakes native resolution is 540p, particle effects are sub-HD as well.

Like I said before, GeOW3 will more than likely be the new 'graphics king' on 360 because it will be superior to Alan Wake in every visual aspect.

 

[maxy]

Do you really think that CG in a movie like Avatar "rendered" in 480p can't be a "graphics king"*...really???

So what is it,yes or no?

[WrikaWrek]

I think this is one of the best looking games i've seen yet, from the trailers at least, but holy shit...540p lolololololololololololololol

Remedy a bunch of liars

[TripleA]

Do you really think that CG in a movie like Avatar "rendered" in 480p can't be a "graphics king"*...really???

So what is it,yes or no?

I could've sworn I replied to that part. Strange.

Here's what I said; First of all, Avatar is a 3D movie.

Second of all, movies and CG are not critiqued under the same lens as videogames, so your logic is unsound.

Third and last, if resolution doesn't matter in terms of crowning a games graphics, then Super Mario Galaxy is the best looking console game to date.

Back to you, cat.

[WrikaWrek]

Lol Super Mario Galaxy being the best looking game 

Why, because it has pretty colors? Give me a break. Not even close, like, way far from it.

[Robo]

what the hell is wrong with you people?

[TripleA]

Lol Super Mario Galaxy being the best looking game 

Why, because it has pretty colors? Give me a break. Not even close, like, way far from it.

Why not, because Mario doesn't carry a handgun or something.

[Draft]

Xbots in tatters. The Xbox 360p. True gamers cross your fingers for a pc port in 2011.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, I can't see there never being a PC port.  Probably just need to wait it out.

[cool breeze]

The resolution thing is a non-issue.  Assuming they're taxing the 360, I'd much rather have a low resolution than a spotty frame rate.  I'll still buy the game eventually.

and I'm browsing around the gaf thread and finding it hilarious.  One kid tried to say a blurry image is a positive because it hides the imperfections   

Please, I played WipeoutHD this weekend and aside from the HD resolution, it looks like a Xbox 1 game.  It's not even running in real 1080P, btw.  

it is technically a port of the PSP games (something like that) which is why it is just HD and not another subtitle

the 1080p thing is also interesting since it has a dynamic resolution to ensure it is always at 60 fps.  It goes between 1920x1080 (max) and 1280x1080 (min) depending on what is happening on the screen.  It is a neat solution and I'd much rather more games have something like that instead of choppy video an slowdown.

even on the PC I will drop effects or w/e to ensure at least 30 fps, though even on my modest PC the only game that isn't at 60 fps is Crysis and that jumps between 30 and 40.  Frame rate matters most when you're actually playing the game.

[TripleA]

One kid tried to say a blurry image is a positive because it hides the imperfections   

  that's rich

[maxy]

Marketing is gearing up

Welcome to “Bright Falls,” the Chilling Live-Action Film Prequel to “Alan Wake”

The six-part series premieres exclusively on April 25 on Xbox LIVE and April 27 at BrightFalls.com

Turn down the lights but keep your flashlight and batteries handy, as Xbox 360 unveils “Bright Falls,” a six-part live action series that serves as a thrilling prequel to the mystery unfolding in “Alan Wake.” Each episode will bring you to the edge of your seat and spur your curiosity with the same eerie and suspenseful cliffhangers as in the game. TV fans will find that the series evokes the same ghostly chills as “Twin Peaks” did when it premiered 20 years ago this month.

The first two episodes of “Bright Falls” will be available for viewing exclusively on Xbox LIVE for Gold members starting April 25 and for all Xbox LIVE members on April 26, before debuting at BrightFalls.com on April 27. A new episode will be released each week thereafter, leading up to the shocking conclusion with the final two episodes on May 17.

Shot on location in Oregon, “Bright Falls” is directed by Philip Van, whose short films have won over a dozen awards in festivals including the Sundance Film Festival, Berlin International Film Festival and more. “Bright Falls” also features notable actors such as Tom Noonan who recently appeared on FX’s “Damages,” and Cooper Huckabee who joins the cast of HBO’s “True Blood” this season.

 

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Great Rumbler]

I'd watch that if it came on TV.

[Stoney Mason]

I don't think they are doing a very good job marketing this game...

But whatever. All I care about is that it hopefully turns out well.

[maxy]

I'd watch that if it came on TV.

It will be on youtube 

[maxy]

First 2 episodes

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/creating-a-video-games-world-with-real-people/

Good stuff.

[Third]

I'll watch them when they're all available online.

And the game seems to be ~12 hours long. Perfect.

[Stoney Mason]

Kinda low-budget but does a decent job of setting up the story.

[cool breeze]

I just watched that and was about to post it.

Lighting and atmosphere are insane, but the combat looks pretty boring.

[Third]

I'm not watching any gamepaly videos anymore. Don't care how the combat turns out to be. I just hope there isn't much of it in the game.
Fighting enemies off isn't scary.

[naff]

I'm not watching any gamepaly videos anymore. Don't care how the combat turns out to be. I just hope there isn't much of it in the game.
Fighting enemies off isn't scary.

It's bound to be funny though, apparently giant logs and machines and stuff come alive and start trying to own you at night then during the day you just walk around chatting to people.

[Third]

I'm not watching any gamepaly videos anymore. Don't care how the combat turns out to be. I just hope there isn't much of it in the game.
Fighting enemies off isn't scary.

It's bound to be funny though, apparently giant logs and machines and stuff come alive and start trying to own you at night then during the day you just walk around chatting to people.

Sounds amazing. 
Alan Wake seems to be the perfect Resident Evil-Silent Hill mix so far.

[cool breeze]

It sounds like this game has a similar structure to Deadly Premonitions where it is an open world, but each mission is linear.  There was a bigass map posted on gaf.  Sound awesome.

[Third]

I want to play Deadly Premonition. But the X360 version isn't region free. And the Ps3 version has no English option.  :'(

[demi]

You wouldnt like Deadly Premonition

[Third]

Because of the ugly graphics? Hell, I've finished Halo 3. I think I can finish DP also.

I'm also currently playing Nier. Ugly graphics. But it's fun so far.

[demi]

I dont think you could

[Third]

WE'LL SEE

Or is the game really that shitty? Looks pretty interesting from what I've seen.

[naff]

Alan Wake prequel film Bright Falls, out on XBL (Better quality) and found it on Youtube. Wasn't up yet on xbox.com/alanwake when I checked. Anyway, here it is:

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

edit: They're going to release 1 of these every week till release (May 18th right?). I think doin pre-release shorts like this is a pretty good way to sustain hype (unless they're really bad, but I liked this).

[Stoney Mason]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[The Fake Shemp]

It has a quote from ESPN?

[Stoney Mason]

lulz. I was going to mention that but didn't. I guess that's the MS attempt to try to broaden the appeal of the game.

It's too late for that. This isn't going to be a Halo or Gears level Blockbuster for them.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm still debating between Red Dead and this.

[Third]

Fuuuck, this game can't go wrong.

[Great Rumbler]

I'm still debating between Red Dead and this.

I'd probably get Alan Wake if Super Mario Galaxy weren't coming out a week later. But...it is, so SMG2 for me, I guess.

[cool breeze]

I'm going with Red Dead and Galaxy.  Alan Wake looks awesome but I have recently played Silent Hill Wii, Alone in the Dark, Deadly Premonitions, and Heavy Rain; those games are have similarities if only the tone.  Red Dead is a western game.  A western game  is rare, and one that looks as good as RDR with that crazy online mode is something I can't pass on.

I also want Trauma Team, Split Second, and the new Prince of Persia  :'(

[Third]

The game is "out"
So is Lost Planet 2. 
Pirates 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Lost Planet 2 isn't worth downloading, though

[close]

[WrikaWrek]

Speeding along Third 

[Third]

Played a bit. Game is going to be amazing. But I'll have to watch the prologue episodes first.

btw:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/alan-wake-review

7/10

WTF? I must read the review. It doesn't load here...

[Stoney Mason]

Early word is that its a lot more of a shooter and less of an adventure game than some people expected.

[Stoney Mason]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[WrikaWrek]

Eurogamer review is written by

A) A Women

B) That mainly reviews casual games.

Installing the game as i type.

[WrikaWrek]

Game is scary shit.

Looks great, plays great, great atmosphere and presentation. Good VA too. Reminds me of Silent Hill, which is why i'll rather play it during the day.

[MCD]

let's be clear here, you playing on a comfy couch?

[WrikaWrek]

Wish i wasn't. The blurriness due to the lower rez is like a couple of black teeth in a fine girl. It stands out.

[MCD]

sounds like you need a new couch.

[demi]

Reminds me of Silent Hill, which is why i'll rather play it during the day.

... really

[WrikaWrek]

I get scared. I don't like it.

[naff]

Man I want to buy this. Probably just a rental for me though  :'( I haven't played a thriller for ages (can't get Deadly Premonition here  , and haven't bothered playing Heavy Rain) so keen to get into this.

[pilonv1]

EG Review doesn't load, fake?

[Smooth Groove]

I get scared. I don't like it.

gangsta image shattered 

Maybe you should just become PS3 exclusive. 

[Kestastrophe]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-hd-alan-wake/65250

review

[WrikaWrek]

I get scared. I don't like it.

gangsta image shattered 

Maybe you should just become PS3 exclusive. 

Fuck that, i'm playing this bitch at night, with headphones on. That's right

[Stoney Mason]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/108/1087706p1.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/alan-wake-review
http://www.giantbomb.com/alan-wake/61-20982/reviews/
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3179131&p=4

[AdmiralViscen]

Knowing nothing about the game before today, the Giantbomb quicklook looked pretty cool. And he says it gets more combat heavy as you progress.

[Bloodwake]

Whoa.

A horror game with supposedly awesome controls? Count me in for sure now.

UFC 2010, Alan Wake, Mario Galaxy 2. Busy month for wallet raping!

[demi]

I want this so bad, too. But honestly it's just a rental to power through. Skate 3 is where my money goes.

[demi]

I'm still trying to remember when PC gaming was relevant