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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2460 on: May 21, 2011, 09:14:57 PM »
I think sticking to 3  a day will be enough:
http://www.leangains.com/2011/05/omega-3-fatty-acids-for-muscle-growth.html

Grazie.

Okay, so I absolutely love eggs, and wouldn't have a problem eating like 6 of em per day. However, will doing such a thing utterly destroy my heart?

Why would it? Eggs are pretty much the perfect food.

Cholesterol, mang! Or so I've been told...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27taubes.html

 :o

So I've been living a lie all this time? Imma butter me up some bacon real good now. :rock

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2461 on: May 21, 2011, 10:09:28 PM »
Medical community has been saying for awhile now that HDL to LDL ratio is far more important than total cholesterol. 

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« Reply #2462 on: May 21, 2011, 10:47:35 PM »
Come on Smooth, read the article.
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« Reply #2463 on: May 22, 2011, 05:47:07 AM »
It's too early in the AM to think about that shit for me.  Default and say Cormac is right.  LOL.

Learned a lesson last night.  Jesus doesn't like Rapture jokes and pays you back at the gym.  He got me while I was doing some cardio boxing last night.  I went to do a kick, and the foot I was planting with decided to do the kick too.  I fell on my ass.  It hurt.  I skinned my elbow and stubbed my big toe. 

Good thing nobody was there...  :lol

Toe is tender today and the elbow stings a bit but it's already starting to grow new skin back.  I'm getting ready to leave for the gym again and do some low level cardio.
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« Reply #2464 on: May 22, 2011, 11:25:26 AM »
(it would be great if everyone would just read that and stop fucking worrying about cholesterol but I haven't got much hope. The imprinting is strong)

This information is working against decades of conditioning.

To be dramatic, it isn't unlike telling people the earth revolves around the sun during the renaissance.  Fortunately these days, you won't get burned at the stake for saying bacon and butter is good.
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« Reply #2465 on: May 22, 2011, 08:22:56 PM »
Oh I know, but ffs, the Atkins Diet is also decades old (1972, the year after I was born!).

And that wasn't even the FIRST low-carb diet to be popular - check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Banting

1863!

If you are curious about how the lipid hypothesis/cholesterol myth took hold, I really recommend reading Taubes' 'Good Calories, Bad Calories'. It is a dry read because it is so thorough, but even skimming it will increase your awareness of how much bad science there is out there.
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« Reply #2466 on: May 22, 2011, 09:58:48 PM »
Soooo... I worked for 12 hours today and came home.  When I finally sat down and took off my shoes and socks, I was disgusted by what I saw.  My left side big toe is black and blue around the trunk.  I don't think it's broken because I still have full functionality in it, but it's tender as a motherfucker right now.

It just means that until it heals and stops being so tender, I'll be cutting out running, jogging, treadmill, and planks.  Pretty much any exercise that puts a lot of strain on the big toe.

Any good compound core exercises that Fitnessbore can think of to replace planks with or should I just go to the knees for the time being?

[Edit] Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'll still be doing cardio on the elliptical while at the gym.  And I'm going hiking this week.  I'm not cancelling for this, because I've been planning the trip for so long and it took forever to get a date set to go.
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« Reply #2467 on: May 23, 2011, 08:27:43 PM »
Oh yeah, I forgot to post that I finally broke my plateau that I was on!  I dropped 6 pounds this week and officially put myself 54 pounds down.  Another 6 lbs and it'll be like I never quit exercising...   :(

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2468 on: May 23, 2011, 10:37:58 PM »
congrats!!! <fistbump type="dawg"/>
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« Reply #2469 on: May 24, 2011, 07:05:43 AM »
Soooo... I worked for 12 hours today and came home.  When I finally sat down and took off my shoes and socks, I was disgusted by what I saw.  My left side big toe is black and blue around the trunk.  I don't think it's broken because I still have full functionality in it, but it's tender as a motherfucker right now.

It just means that until it heals and stops being so tender, I'll be cutting out running, jogging, treadmill, and planks.  Pretty much any exercise that puts a lot of strain on the big toe.

Any good compound core exercises that Fitnessbore can think of to replace planks with or should I just go to the knees for the time being?

[Edit] Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'll still be doing cardio on the elliptical while at the gym.  And I'm going hiking this week.  I'm not cancelling for this, because I've been planning the trip for so long and it took forever to get a date set to go.

Confused by this. It's like you're saying running, jogging and treadmill are compound core exercises :lol

Presumably you can still squat, deadlift, swing a kettlebell, do sit-ups etc?
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« Reply #2470 on: May 24, 2011, 07:41:38 PM »
My rib bones are kind of weird, It might be Pectus excavatum or something similar but my rib cage is definitely a bit tight in certain places and it also kind of extends or points out (flared ribs) at the bottom.
Here are two pics of me with a shirt on:
http://i.imgur.com/ZzIje.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LNKtK.jpg

and here are a couple of me shirtless:
http://i.imgur.com/auFyB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bi6bK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XniaR.jpg

I look much skinnier when I am shirtless because of it, it doesn't bother me that much but I am definitely self conscious because of it, and when I buy/try on a tshirt the first thing I do is make sure that it is not visible.

Now, is it very obvious? does it look weird to you? used to annoy me when I used to go to school but not that much lately. My friends never comment but I have this suspicion that they just don't want me to think too much of it. Also are there any exercises that I can do that can make it less obvious? I feel that my chest is a bit short, the part where the chest ends is a bit high. and the area in the middle of the chest seems empty, its just the sides where the shoulders are is where they pop out a little.

Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2471 on: May 24, 2011, 10:09:19 PM »
Ran 10 miles tonight. One month until the 1/2 Marathon. :rock
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« Reply #2472 on: May 25, 2011, 12:08:05 AM »
Soooo... I worked for 12 hours today and came home.  When I finally sat down and took off my shoes and socks, I was disgusted by what I saw.  My left side big toe is black and blue around the trunk.  I don't think it's broken because I still have full functionality in it, but it's tender as a motherfucker right now.

It just means that until it heals and stops being so tender, I'll be cutting out running, jogging, treadmill, and planks.  Pretty much any exercise that puts a lot of strain on the big toe.

Any good compound core exercises that Fitnessbore can think of to replace planks with or should I just go to the knees for the time being?

[Edit] Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'll still be doing cardio on the elliptical while at the gym.  And I'm going hiking this week.  I'm not cancelling for this, because I've been planning the trip for so long and it took forever to get a date set to go.

Confused by this. It's like you're saying running, jogging and treadmill are compound core exercises :lol

Presumably you can still squat, deadlift, swing a kettlebell, do sit-ups etc?

No, I just meant I was taking those three out for the time being to preserve my toe while it heals.

Oh, and apparently it might be fractured, according to the doctors I worked with at the ER today.  I've got my toes taped together (makes a splint) for the time being while they heal.  Still not cancelling the hiking trip in two days though!  :punch

As far as all of the other exercises, they're not going to be effected.  I did a Primal Blueprint Fitness workout yesterday and I didn't have any problem completing my circuits.  I actually had a stepping block that I placed under my knees for my planks, and it was just like I was doing them from my feet.  I know there is one of those blocks at the gym too.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2473 on: May 25, 2011, 12:20:31 AM »
My rib bones are kind of weird, It might be Pectus excavatum or something similar but my rib cage is definitely a bit tight in certain places and it also kind of extends or points out (flared ribs) at the bottom.
Here are two pics of me with a shirt on:
http://i.imgur.com/ZzIje.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LNKtK.jpg

and here are a couple of me shirtless:
http://i.imgur.com/auFyB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bi6bK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XniaR.jpg

I look much skinnier when I am shirtless because of it, it doesn't bother me that much but I am definitely self conscious because of it, and when I buy/try on a tshirt the first thing I do is make sure that it is not visible.

Now, is it very obvious? does it look weird to you? used to annoy me when I used to go to school but not that much lately. My friends never comment but I have this suspicion that they just don't want me to think too much of it. Also are there any exercises that I can do that can make it less obvious? I feel that my chest is a bit short, the part where the chest ends is a bit high. and the area in the middle of the chest seems empty, its just the sides where the shoulders are is where they pop out a little.
Yes, I would say that's a VERY mild case of pectus with the rib flaring, like so mild that your average person wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Don't worry about it. Only reason I can tell is because I have it myself :gloomy
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2474 on: May 25, 2011, 09:27:30 AM »
My rib bones are kind of weird, It might be Pectus excavatum or something similar but my rib cage is definitely a bit tight in certain places and it also kind of extends or points out (flared ribs) at the bottom.
Here are two pics of me with a shirt on:
http://i.imgur.com/ZzIje.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LNKtK.jpg

and here are a couple of me shirtless:
http://i.imgur.com/auFyB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bi6bK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XniaR.jpg

I look much skinnier when I am shirtless because of it, it doesn't bother me that much but I am definitely self conscious because of it, and when I buy/try on a tshirt the first thing I do is make sure that it is not visible.

Now, is it very obvious? does it look weird to you? used to annoy me when I used to go to school but not that much lately. My friends never comment but I have this suspicion that they just don't want me to think too much of it. Also are there any exercises that I can do that can make it less obvious? I feel that my chest is a bit short, the part where the chest ends is a bit high. and the area in the middle of the chest seems empty, its just the sides where the shoulders are is where they pop out a little.

I've seen a few guys that have that before.  It's really not that big of a deal and most people don't think about it.  I wouldn't worry bro.
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« Reply #2475 on: May 25, 2011, 10:14:59 AM »
So I dropped my phone last week and that's where I had my calories counting app that i've been using.  So I've been winging it for the last week or so.  Last night I started re inputting everything.  And I've been feeling like shit too.  My lifts went down and I've been very lazy.  Whatdya know?  I've been eating about 1500 calories.  Gah.  And I've been stuffing myself too.  Everynight I sat around thinking that I went over my calorie limit because I felt so full. 

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« Reply #2476 on: May 25, 2011, 11:27:18 PM »
Another must-read post at Archevore, who is to my mind one of the most important thinkers in the 'Paleo' movement precisely because he is so skeptical about it. I highly recommend taking the time to read the whole thing, because there is more condensed and useful knowledge in that post than in whole shelves of regular diet books. I'm going to just post 3 excerpts about the 3 most problematic areas of the modern diet. My bolding.

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/3/30/paleo-20-a-diet-manifesto.html

Wheat
Wheat contains starch, which is fine, but along with starch wheat contains gluten, which is a complex of proteins that has been linked to a variety of diseases, and wheat germ agglutinin, that is a lectin antinutrient. Celiac disease, obesity, diabetes and mental illness are all linked to wheat consumption.

The problem in wheat is proteins, not carbohydrate. White flour is dense and highly concentrated in these problematic proteins and antinutrients. Wheat causes problems even in those who’ve been eating it for thousands of years.

Eat potatoes, sweet potatoes or root veggies for your starch, and stop eating all bread, cookies cakes and other baked goods.

(He acknowledges elsewhere that the carbohydrates in potatoes etc do lead to weight gain, and should be avoided completely if weight loss is a current goal....)
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2477 on: May 25, 2011, 11:28:47 PM »
Excess Fructose

Fructose is a carbohydrate, but metabolically it is quite different from the glucose that comes from starch. In small amounts or in moderate amounts in real food, fructose may not be a problem, but the ubiquity of fructose in the modern diet creates obesity, insulin resistance, fatty liver disease, and abnormal bacterial growth in the gut with consequent inflammation.

Fructose is easily minimized by simply refusing to eat processed food that comes in a box (especially “low fat” foods), and by refusing to drink caloric drinks like soda pop and fruit juices and sports drinks.

Wheat flour and fructose are the two NADs (Neolithic Agents of Disease) in most of the historically documented nutritional transitions.

(He also recommends elsewhere that fruit consumption be very occasional)
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2478 on: May 25, 2011, 11:29:57 PM »
Excess Linoleic acid

Linoleic acid is an omega 6 fatty acid, a polyunsaturated fat or PUFA. Along with n-3, the other type of PUFA, it is technically an essential fatty acid, but the actual requirement is so small it might be better considered a micronutrient. A hunter-gatherer or Paleolithic human might have had a total PUFA intake of 3% of calories. Modern north americans have a PUFA intake of around 15%, most of it due to n-6. The problem with this is twofold.

1)   As n-3 and n-6 precursors compete for the same enzyme in the eicosanoid pathway, the excess of n-6 in the diet means that n-3 is outcompeted at the enzyme level. The result is a preponderance of inflammatory molecules. Increased cancer and inflammation are both likely related to this

2)  Many are aware that 6:3 ratio is important, so they try to compensate by taking fish oil to balance the 6:3 ratio. This doesn’t really work too well – you can’t realistically eat that much fish, and if you take fish oil supplements, you now exacerbate the second and more important problem with excess n-6, which is your total PUFA intake. High total PUFA, especially including the highly unstable n-3, leads to oxidative damage to your cells. Your arteries, liver and  other organs don't appreciate extra oxidative damage.

The way to correct the modern excess of n-6 or linoleic acid is to avoid the modern sources of it. Stop eating all temperate vegetable oils – cooking and frying oils like corn, soy, canola, flax, all of it. And go easy on the nuts and factory chicken. These are big sources of n-6, especially the nuts and nut oils.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2479 on: May 26, 2011, 01:09:44 PM »
I'm feeling a little evil today.

I started a Biggest Loser contest at work today, and it's going to last until August the 4th (10 weeks).  There is a cash prize to the winner of about $400.  I took a doctor's recommendation for the contest because he knew that I had already lost so much weight.

I weighed in this morning wearing heavy clothes (jeans, two shirts, heavy socks, shoes), I had my pockets full with stuff I normally carry, and I drank a bottle of water before going in, not to mention I was holding back a major shit.  All together, it gave me an extra 10 lbs to play with.

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2480 on: May 26, 2011, 02:57:28 PM »
:rofl good game, keep us posted!


On a personal note, I've been going to a yoga class once a week and a pilates class once a week for the last 6 weeks. Just that little bit of exercise has really helped me feel so much better with regards to my health problems. I have way more energy and have started doing at home what I learn in the pilates class (and a little of the yoga, but I've always done that). I took pilates classes forever ago when I started doing yoga and I liked yoga more, but not anymore. My first teacher sucked, and my instructor now (who's my BFF  :-*) is amazing. My core is way stronger, and my posture is better already. I come home with all this energy, can stand up long enough to cook, can get out of the bed the next morning, the whole shebangabang.  8)
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« Reply #2481 on: May 26, 2011, 03:37:19 PM »
your bff is so hot  :-[

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« Reply #2482 on: May 26, 2011, 03:43:58 PM »
Oh man... :drool She's the one that everyone mistakes for my actual girlfriend.

Nothing better than having good form in class and having her come up behind you and slapping your ass. No words of encouragement necessary.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2483 on: May 26, 2011, 05:14:25 PM »


The way to correct the modern excess of n-6 or linoleic acid is to avoid the modern sources of it. Stop eating all temperate vegetable oils – cooking and frying oils like corn, soy, canola, flax, all of it.

At the risk of provoking your wrath of "I've already answered that 15 times! GWARGH", recommended alternatives?

Margarine bad too then?

Just go with butter?
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Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2484 on: May 26, 2011, 08:35:31 PM »


The way to correct the modern excess of n-6 or linoleic acid is to avoid the modern sources of it. Stop eating all temperate vegetable oils – cooking and frying oils like corn, soy, canola, flax, all of it.

At the risk of provoking your wrath of "I've already answered that 15 times! GWARGH", recommended alternatives?

Margarine bad too then?

Just go with butter?

Margarine is often made from vegetable oil.
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« Reply #2485 on: May 26, 2011, 09:52:35 PM »
Boogie -

I've been experimenting with all sorts of stuff, some of it really expensive (coconut oil cost me $30 for a jar...). Butter is the cheapest and best, so far, though some of the nut oils are really good for flavor. The only problem with butter is the low smoke point (which degrades the oil, leading to free radicals galore...leading to cancer...), so if you can get some ghee (clarified butter) use that for high-heat cooking if you can. You can make it from regular butter if you can't find any.
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« Reply #2486 on: May 26, 2011, 11:45:03 PM »
Just got back from a hiking trip with a buddy of mine from a neighboring town.  We hiked a set of knobs that form a small ridge that the town calls the Pinnacles.  It was a pretty fun hike.  I did them in my Vibrams just to test it out.  I don't know if I'll be doing it in them again.  If I do hike in Vibrams again, it will be in Komodos or Bikilas (sp?), and not just regular KSO's.  All together, they held up pretty well and so did my feet.  We did have some muddy spots on the trail and I did slip once and fall, but it was no big deal.

All-in-all, we did 2.5 miles in 2.5 hours.  We threw in an extra .5 hours for stopping to take in scenery.  It was a good hike and I'm exhausted for the day.

tl;dr Hiked today, slipped and fell once, tired now.

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2487 on: May 27, 2011, 12:00:25 AM »
Beautiful spot. Hobbit Country!
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« Reply #2488 on: May 27, 2011, 10:56:08 AM »
if you can get some ghee (clarified butter) use that for high-heat cooking if you can. You can make it from regular butter if you can't find any.

Costco actually carries ghee in areas with high Indian populations.
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« Reply #2489 on: May 29, 2011, 09:20:21 AM »
I thought that this weekend was going to be bad for me because it's Memorial Day Weekend.  We went to my family's cookout and I actually got to stick to a pretty primal meal and I got in 2 hours of swimming. 

Fuck yeah.  :punch
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« Reply #2490 on: May 29, 2011, 12:46:43 PM »
@Cormac: I used to eat tons of chicken, since it was so cheap for quick and easy weeknight meals, but due to the whole Omega 6 imbalance issues, have switched to grass feed beef these days. 

Thank God for Trader Joe's.  I'd be broke if I bought grass fed meat at the farmer's market to eat most days. 

Thanks to Paleo my monthly food budget is 600 per month and I'm only eating for one.  :-\

Well. more like 400 per month.  The rest is due to eating out.

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2491 on: May 29, 2011, 02:26:41 PM »
yeah, eating paleo ain't cheap, but it is ever so worth it. and YES, all gods must bless trader joe's
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« Reply #2492 on: May 29, 2011, 03:11:13 PM »
Honestly, though, at least in the US, the cheap food is artificially cheap due to farm subsidies that pump disportionately amount of money into-soy, wheat, and corn, which are then used to create all that cheap processed crap that dominates the ailes of supermarkets.

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« Reply #2493 on: May 29, 2011, 06:59:23 PM »
People who are looking at this stuff costing expensive is looking at it the wrong way.  Once you factor in the inevitable down the road health problems (heart disease, diabetes), energy, and overall quality of life (see: Cormacaroni never appearing to age at a time when most people are starting to look ragged), the paleo lifestyle is actually a pretty good deal.  To be vain, it'd be nice to look as good at 40 as I do now at 26, which is one of the reasons why I like to have a healthy amount of coconut oil daily.  You got to invest more up front, sure, but I think it's worth it once you take everything into account.

On a food note, the fritatas were ok but I'm gonna make a meatza for my daily breakfast this week :hyper  The SA low carb megathread has given me a lot of good ideas and things to explore.
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« Reply #2494 on: May 29, 2011, 07:02:14 PM »
On the other hand, you lot are starting to sound like you're scared shitless, for real, of pretty much everything at this point. Some see a mountain stream, EB sees potentially lethal worm infestations caused by bears shitting on the glacier.
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« Reply #2495 on: May 29, 2011, 07:17:29 PM »
On the other hand, you lot are starting to sound like you're scared shitless, for real, of pretty much everything at this point. Some see a mountain stream, EB sees potentially lethal worm infestations caused by bears shitting on the glacier.

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« Reply #2496 on: May 29, 2011, 07:20:16 PM »
On the other hand, you lot are starting to sound like you're scared shitless, for real, of pretty much everything at this point. Some see a mountain stream, EB sees potentially lethal worm infestations caused by bears shitting on the glacier.

Yeah, I kinda understand this.  It's the whole "warning!:   Living might result in DEATH!" phenomenon.  I certainly feel overwhelmned at times trying to sort out the diet side of things.  I mean, I bought a jug of vegetable oil, thinking it would be "healthy" to use, only to see the material cormac pointed out on the last page, and then go "well, nuts."

I think I'm at the point where I might be "nitpicking" too much on diet.  For the past three years, when I've held quite well to essentially:

BF: three eggs
Lunch: sandwich and yogurt
dinner: chicken breast, frozen veggies, milk

is there really much more value in tweaking my diet?  I don't know.  I think my greater problem is in resisting eating like shit on the weekends, rather than tweaking my basic "ideal" diet.
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« Reply #2497 on: May 29, 2011, 09:14:45 PM »
To be honest, I believe in the long term health issues associated with processed food and I believe in the long term benefits of paleo. But paleo is too expensive for me to take on 100% 24/7. Also, I'm not over my favorite shit foods. I love mcdonalds still. I love tacos. I do paleo for the incredible effect it has on my immediate health like my weight. Its like when people talk about mercury in canned tuna that I eat twice a day 5 days a week. I don't care enough.

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2498 on: May 29, 2011, 10:29:25 PM »
We've been over this stuff before, duckman. You don't like being told what to eat, so feel free to ignore it!

I don't know that I'm scared of anything. I'm not above eating a cheeseburger and fries if my friends want to go to a burger joint. In fact, the closer I adhere to what I consider an optimal diet in general, the less I am afraid of the occasional bad meal. Whereas the typical slob fattie knows that damn near every meal is making his or her health worse. If that person isn't scared, they are just uneducated or have their head in the sand.

I dunno what is wrong with continuing to find new issues with diet. That's the scientific process! Keep adding to the pool of knowledge, keep experimenting, keep tweaking. If you think you know better, please enlighten us! The most I've ever seen from you is 'I like to eat the stuff I like to eat so I'm going to keep doing it'.

I realize that it seems intimidating to people who haven't made any progress with their diet yet, but hey, plenty of people in this thread HAVE made progress and are interested in taking it further. As long as people seem receptive, I'm going to keep sharing what I've picked up.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2499 on: May 29, 2011, 10:58:11 PM »
i wouldn't say i'm scared of what i eat. a fear of death has never been something that's weighed on me. (i'd rather be dead than a living, wheezing porkmonster who can only breathe through intubation and will never have a healthy use of their body again, i think.) quite frankly, i appreciate the ongoing examination and dissection of our diet -- i like the idea that folks are actively trying to find out what a PROPER diet looks like in these confusing times. i may not always like the answers -- i am, after all, a creature of habit and lazy as fuck -- but once i try them out and they work, i don't regret having treated them seriously. and if they don't? well, no harm, no foul.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2500 on: May 29, 2011, 11:07:39 PM »
There is of course a lot of scaremongering in the media about diet, and people can certainly switch off in the face of that...don't see much of it ITT though.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2501 on: May 30, 2011, 12:44:17 AM »
@Cormac: I used to eat tons of chicken, since it was so cheap for quick and easy weeknight meals, but due to the whole Omega 6 imbalance issues, have switched to grass feed beef these days. 

Thank God for Trader Joe's.  I'd be broke if I bought grass fed meat at the farmer's market to eat most days. 

Thanks to Paleo my monthly food budget is 600 per month and I'm only eating for one.  :-\

Well. more like 400 per month.  The rest is due to eating out.

Also, as I'm sure you are aware: most store-bought chicken just tastes like nothing. It's the blandest crap imaginable.

The key to eating well on a budget is shopping often, I find. I get most of my beef marked down 30-50%. I usually eat it same day and it's fine. (I avoid anything with obvious discoloration of course). If not, I put it in the freezer. I usually have 4-5 steaks and other cuts in there that I can break out in emergencies.

Also, buy the cheaper cuts and use them in stews and curries. It takes longer to cook, but you can do enough for 6 or more meals at once. Most of my lunches are reheated stews or curries. Again, you can use marked down meat just fine for this so long as you cook them same day and refrigerate carefully.

At worst, just eat more eggs. Using the best ingredients I can get, my typical breakfast is still only 2-3 bucks. More expensive than cereal but whatever. No reason you can't just eat bacon and eggs again for dinner if you have nothing else handy. The longer you eat this way, the more options you discover and the easier it gets.

Another major factor is that it discourages you from EATING OUT, so don't forget the savings you get from that.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2502 on: May 30, 2011, 02:08:48 AM »
I'm just dropping in here to tell you guys I've gained 20 pounds in about a month and change.  As you all can tell, I'm a very skinny guy (half hereditary, half me being lazy) and at one point, I used to weight a measly 127 lbs.  It was terrible.  But now I'm at around 150 lbs and I'm aiming to get to around 160 so I can finally feel like I fit my frame, at least somewhat.  At the same time, I'm gonna try and tone over the summer and get some definition.  Not trying to get buff or big, just want to look healthy.
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« Reply #2503 on: May 30, 2011, 02:21:51 AM »
127 and how tall are you?

no wonder you needed a scarf to keep warm  :-\

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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2504 on: May 30, 2011, 02:36:34 AM »
@Cormac: I used to eat tons of chicken, since it was so cheap for quick and easy weeknight meals, but due to the whole Omega 6 imbalance issues, have switched to grass feed beef these days. 

Thank God for Trader Joe's.  I'd be broke if I bought grass fed meat at the farmer's market to eat most days. 

Thanks to Paleo my monthly food budget is 600 per month and I'm only eating for one.  :-\

Well. more like 400 per month.  The rest is due to eating out.

Also, as I'm sure you are aware: most store-bought chicken just tastes like nothing. It's the blandest crap imaginable.

The key to eating well on a budget is shopping often, I find. I get most of my beef marked down 30-50%. I usually eat it same day and it's fine. (I avoid anything with obvious discoloration of course). If not, I put it in the freezer. I usually have 4-5 steaks and other cuts in there that I can break out in emergencies.

Also, buy the cheaper cuts and use them in stews and curries. It takes longer to cook, but you can do enough for 6 or more meals at once. Most of my lunches are reheated stews or curries. Again, you can use marked down meat just fine for this so long as you cook them same day and refrigerate carefully.

At worst, just eat more eggs. Using the best ingredients I can get, my typical breakfast is still only 2-3 bucks. More expensive than cereal but whatever. No reason you can't just eat bacon and eggs again for dinner if you have nothing else handy. The longer you eat this way, the more options you discover and the easier it gets.

Another major factor is that it discourages you from EATING OUT, so don't forget the savings you get from that.

Here's what I don't get.  Since I've been eating Paleo, my food costs haven't really changed.  The food is a little bit more expensive, but I eat less in quantity.  I get full quicker and stay full on whole/real foods.

Does this not happen for everyone?
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2505 on: May 30, 2011, 02:41:07 AM »
127 and how tall are you?

no wonder you needed a scarf to keep warm  :-\

5'11.  Yeah, I know, it sucks.  It's one of the things that makes me so self-conscious.  I hate being so skinny.  My grandpa is skinny to, but he married a fine-ass motherfucking women.  Seriously, I've seen pictures of her when she was my age, and FUCK.

Regardless, I want to at least get to 160.  I don't want to be big -- hell, I'm okay looking thin.  I just don't want to look like Nazi camp thin.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2506 on: May 30, 2011, 02:57:14 AM »
Let's see if I can do this in 4 words:

'Lift heavy, eat more'
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« Reply #2507 on: May 30, 2011, 03:01:09 AM »
Well that's what I'm happy about, actually.  For years, I've been an eater of small portions.  I don't know why -- I just couldn't finish a semi-large meal without feeling sick.  But ever since I went on Paxil for my anxiety, I've had the appetite of a motherfucker.  The other day I ate two burritos from Chipotle in one sitting.   Two!  Shit made me feel so happy haha.  But this medication has increased my appetite and I'm so so happy about it.  Once I get back to Nashvegas, I'm gonna start doing a few things to just tone.  I don't necessarily want to get big muscles.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2508 on: May 30, 2011, 03:05:09 AM »
Everyone says that until they start to get large muscles
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« Reply #2509 on: May 30, 2011, 03:07:30 AM »
Haha true.  Well we'll see.  I'm lazy as fuck, that's my problem.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2510 on: May 30, 2011, 07:11:18 AM »
Everyone says that until they start to get large muscles
Agreed.  :lol Me before Gomad thought the same. Now I would love to be at least 200 lbs.
175 now, not much left compared to 138 lbs 4 months ago.

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« Reply #2511 on: May 30, 2011, 07:54:49 AM »
Works the other way too. Everyone overweight thinks they are pretty much ok if they could lose between '5-10lbs'. Then they lose like 20lbs and they still don't have their six pack :lol
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2512 on: May 30, 2011, 08:14:54 AM »
There is of course a lot of scaremongering in the media about diet, and people can certainly switch off in the face of that...don't see much of it ITT though.

I don't think anyone in here sounds scared shitless at all.  I'm still confused by duckman's post.

I will say that I do know people in various states of poor health due to eating shitty foods all of their life.  I don't mean people who have a gut or some man tits, I mean people with amputated legs due to advanced type 2 diabetes.  I do live in the midwest after all - one of the unhealthiest places to eat in the world (second only to the deep south).  The diet that we all know of is making us as a society sicker.  That said, most people have no idea how their own bodies work and I'd like to think that I'd give enough of a fuck about my own body to see how it works and how it reacts to what I do with it.  This is by far the most successful and healthy diet I've ever partaken in (my previous diet was the 20/40/40 f/c/p macronutrient breakdown) and it is having more impacts than just weight, like the quality of my skin, the general moods of the day, and an increase in overall energy.  Best of all, it doesn't take much to do because who doesn't like bacon?

It is a dramatic departure from what we have been told is the acceptable diet.  I still know of some fat people (who are still fat) who eat low fat food with high carbohydrates because they have been told that low fat = lower weight.  There's a lot of junk science around for sure.

Imma keep doing what I'm doing until I see some adverse reaction to the foods I eat.  Learning about my body is an ongoing process I believe and if there is something better and healthier out there, I can move onto that.  No big deal.  I don't think I've ever been scared shitless except maybe the 20/40/40 days where I had to make sure that my calorie breakdown took on that figure there, which meant eating a lot of foods I could barely stand to eat, like tuna.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2513 on: May 30, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
:bow

btw, a tip on frittatas especially if you want to eat them later - mix in some cream (or even milk). It'll keep the eggs moist and fluffy.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2514 on: May 30, 2011, 09:11:55 AM »
Everyone says that until they start to get large muscles
Agreed.  :lol Me before Gomad thought the same. Now I would love to be at least 200 lbs.
175 now, not much left compared to 138 lbs 4 months ago.

actually, now that you've reminded me, I can probably get my advice to BrandNew down to two words: 'Imitate Skidmark' :lol
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« Reply #2515 on: May 30, 2011, 02:27:37 PM »
Huh.  Well I'll read up on his plan soon and try to imitate him.
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2516 on: May 30, 2011, 07:55:20 PM »
I'm not sure that's even possible for mortals not named Skidmark...or Bruce Banner
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« Reply #2517 on: May 31, 2011, 12:23:40 AM »
Huh.  Well I'll read up on his plan soon and try to imitate him.
I did something called Gomad:
http://stronglifts.com/gomad-milk-squats-gallon-gain-weight/
and Strong lifts 5x5:
http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

StrongLifts 5x5 Workout A:   
Squat 5x5   
Bench Press 5x5   
Barbell Rows 5x5   

StrongLifts 5x5 Workout B:
Squat 5x5
Overhead Press 5x5
Deadlift 1x5

Basically try to drink a gallon of milk a day, drink your milk after you have finished eating and can't eat anymore.
The trick here is consistency. I had a cheat day every other week to get drunk and whatever.

Form check at the bottom of this page:
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32900.2250

3 months progress results:
http://i.imgur.com/bD3FP.png
reddit post:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/h1mxq/my_3_months_progress_gomad_and_sl5x5/

Me not long ago and now:



Go for it!

I'm not sure that's even possible for mortals not named Skidmark...or Bruce Banner
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2518 on: May 31, 2011, 12:27:29 AM »
have you taken video of your deadlift form yet btw?
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Re: FitnessBore - 2011 edition
« Reply #2519 on: May 31, 2011, 12:45:48 AM »
have you taken video of your deadlift form yet btw?
I haven't added any deadlifts yet, I am ashamed.  :-\
I will read on it today and try it tomorrow.
I will upload a video tomorrow of me doing it and maybe some heavier squats just to make sure that I haven't lost my form.