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Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2820 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:15:19 AM »

Before continuing the discussions on "supplements", shouldn't Boogie be barred from this thread?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2821 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:20:19 AM »

Boogie left about 60 pages back, when I told him he couldn't have orange juice and oatmeal.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2822 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:31:49 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2011, 10:39:16 PM

So how long do I go with this creatine? Finish the bottle (300g, taking 5g a day). I can't say I notice a whole lot of difference, maybe a bit more energy but could be just a placebo effect. No negative effects of note though.

I found the newer creatine products to be more effective than standard creatine monohydrate. The more advanced creatine tablets that I got from GNC gave me the same extra bit of energy on a last rep but didn't bloat me up with water weight, like with their standard monohydrate powder.

What I'm using now: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cellucor/c4-extreme.html

I really like this product. Aside from Creatine, it also has a bunch of other preworkout stuff so that I don't have to go through the trouble of taking a bunch of stuff from different sources. At most, I'd add BCAA + Glutamate to the mix.

It's got caffeine though, so you might not dig it. I didn't feel too much of a caffeine rush maybe because I drink so much tea. I would caution against not warming up and starting with heavy weights or high intensities. Whenever I took this mix, my heartbeat would elevate quickly if I don't pace myself in the first game. It's like your neuromuscular systems is almost too responsive. But it tends to settle down afterawhile and then you just feel energized for 2 hours of high activity.

Groogrux · « **Reply #2823 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:28:00 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 06, 2011, 03:31:49 AM

What I'm using now: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cellucor/c4-extreme.html

I really like this product. Aside from Creatine, it also has a bunch of other preworkout stuff so that I don't have to go through the trouble of taking a bunch of stuff from different sources. At most, I'd add BCAA + Glutamate to the mix.

It's got caffeine though, so you might not dig it. I didn't feel too much of a caffeine rush maybe because I drink so much tea. I would caution against not warming up and starting with heavy weights or high intensities. Whenever I took this mix, my heartbeat would elevate quickly if I don't pace myself in the first game. It's like your neuromuscular systems is almost too responsive. But it tends to settle down afterawhile and then you just feel energized for 2 hours of high activity.

See, the reason you like stuff like that is the reason I don't. Aside from them throwing God knows what in those mixes, they also load them down with sugar. I would rather throw some creatine monohydrate powder in a bottle and take a simple energy thermogenic (with ingredients that I understand) before working out instead of drinking a mix like the C4 or Jack3d.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2824 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:54:55 AM »

but he needs 10,000 calories/day

Mupepe · « **Reply #2825 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:07:19 AM »

www.prohormoneforum.com

Check that out Biz. Tons of info about HGH on there. I've read a bit on it (I'll share if you want) but since I don't have any personal experience with it I thought it'd be better for you to read it yourself and tons of guys on there will answer questions about it.

Mupepe · « **Reply #2826 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:12:44 AM »

Also, I agree with andrew. I don't like all the shit that's thrown in to PWO mixes. And there's been research (I'll get links later from bodybuilding.com if you want) that shows that the other forms of creatine aren't as effective as monohydrate. Plus, it's so much cheaper than any other form.

How long have you been taking it, Cormac? I've always felt the most difference around week 3 and it's pretty much just in the form of feeling bigger and having better recovery. And to be honest, unless you're wanting to seriously bulk up I don't know how much of a difference it'd make.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2827 on:** July 06, 2011, 01:01:19 PM »

There are almost 0 calories in C4 but it's great for working out on an empty stomach. A couple of times, I had to wake up early to play ball with friends and so didn't have time to eat. When I did that in the past without any supplements, I would feel listless and out of breath pretty quickly.

I don't really bother reading much on the supplements aside from a quick check to see if there's any potentially dangerous ingredient. Most of the studies are BS and just say whatever the supplement companies want them to say. I just give a product a try and if it works, I get it again. I do agree that most supplements are useless or have minimal impact but C4 so far has been one of the few where I've gotten a positive effect. BCAA+Glutamine powder is another one that seems to work. My recovery has been better ever since taking BCAA+Glutamine.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 06, 2011, 09:54:55 AM

but he needs 10,000 calories/day

That's only when I do my most intense workouts! I don't have enough muscle to eat that much without becoming a tub of lard.

Mupepe · « **Reply #2828 on:** July 06, 2011, 01:07:36 PM »

Hey hey, i'm just saying what studies show since Cormac likes to have opinions backed up with that sort of thing.

For example, I don't think I've seen ANY studies on glutamine being an effective supplement, but it works for me. Don't know why. It just does. *shrug* I take it everyday. And with the PWO's, it's not the calories that bugs me, it's just all the chemicals and how they make me feel. Like the energy boosting ones. Fuck, it feels like I'm 16 and I just did 6 lines on new years eve again. I just don't care for them on a personal level, but lots of people love them.

As far as how I judge supplements, I do research on how I'm feeling and see what other people take. There's always a group of people yelling it doesn't work and a group of people yelling it does. For example, ZMA. So many people say it's useless, but fuck I sleep like a baby on it. I love it. So I continue to buy it despite what the studies and naysayers think.

Groogrux · « **Reply #2829 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:10:05 PM »

I did sprints today on the local high school football field. It's like I had never ran before...

The grass was perfect and really seemed to help propel me down the field. I did six 100+ yard (goal post to goal post) sprints in total.

It felt amazing.

Boogie · « **Reply #2830 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:35:12 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 06, 2011, 03:20:19 AM

Boogie left about 60 pages back, when I told him he couldn't have orange juice and oatmeal.

You slander me, Cormac! I've never eaten oatmeal in my life!

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and I'm loathe to admit it, but I have weaned myself off of OJ so that it's a weekend-breakfast only thing, now....

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Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2831 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:43:25 PM »

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2832 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:02:23 AM »

Quote from: andrwfields on July 06, 2011, 05:10:05 PM

I did sprints today on the local high school football field. It's like I had never ran before... The grass was perfect and really seemed to help propel me down the field. I did six 100+ yard (goal post to goal post) sprints in total.

It felt amazing.

I assume you've read Sisson's stuff on sprinting at least. 6 x100 yards might not sound like a whole lot of work but if you are detrained enough it could still be serious injury-bait. Especially in Vibrams! I'd work up to it a bit more (this is all assuming that these are all-out sprints of course...there is a huge diff between even 85% and 90%-plus).

Groogrux · « **Reply #2833 on:** July 07, 2011, 05:18:39 AM »

Oh yeah, I know what Sisson says about sprints. This is the first time I've did a sprint session in a couple of weeks. Every time before though, I was on a treadmill or an elliptical (although ellipticals don't allow for much sprinting-like activity). I've gotten pretty used to exercising in my Vibrams so I was comfortable with that. I really only did "all-out" sprints twice during this session.

A lot of this stemmed from being frustrated at the gym and not getting the workout I wanted. I just didn't seem to be into it this time. I wanted to do something where I gave it all of my energy and let loose some of that frustration. I was really careful though not to push too far past my limits because of fear of injury. That would have been the last thing I needed.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2834 on:** July 07, 2011, 05:39:27 AM »

Sprinting on a treadmill is tough, yeah. It's only realistic if you go for like 400m because of the spin-up time and the max speed you will hit. Since you need to 'run' 100m or so to get it up to speed, you are never quite getting a realistic all-out time, even for a treadmill. It works fine for the type of running there is typically interspersed in a Crossfit WOD though, which is usually 400m or 800m.

Plus of course, everyone around you gets worried. I have an actual 400m track just around the corner so I go there.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2835 on:** July 07, 2011, 08:23:43 AM »

It's basically the standard low-fat whole grains fruits and veg stuff that has been around for decades now, while blood pressure (and all the other maladies associated with modern living) continue to climb. If you could find a study that conclusively states it will bring down blood pressure, it's likely only in comparison to the SAD (or Standard American Diet i.e. junk).

The first thing about blood pressure is to be sure that it actually IS high. People get crazily different measurements. Even the anticipation of a test can render the actual results meaningless. You get different results from standing and sitting. Have you taken a test multiple times or is this just a one-time result from an annual health check?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2836 on:** July 07, 2011, 11:14:13 AM »

Yeah. Get it done again at your normal doc's (where you will likely be more relaxed), or go do it yourself at one of the machines at the gym etc. Get a range of readings and then see how bad it looks. If you really have hypertension at your age (which I'm assuming is late 20's - early 30's but I really have no idea...), it could be due to a whole range of lifestyle issues beyond diet. Booze, stress, overwork, undersleep, smoking, sedentary habits at work and home. You may not be getting enough Vitamin D (work indoors?) or potassium. Impossible for anyone but a doc to tell. If your diet is bad currently, you probably already have a pretty good idea of what you need to fix. Processed food is #1 obviously because of the high sodium. Whatever other bad habits you know you have, fix them and retest your blood pressure after a few weeks.

I know I probably sound like a guy with a hammer to whom everything looks like a nail but the basic prescription for preventing all this lifestyle illness crap really is the same basic stuff we all know by know: exercise, diet, sleep. Being an advocate for Paleo (at least 'til I find something better...), I doubt that the DASH diet in particular is gonna be the best for you, but I think it's not gonna kill you either and is probably an improvement on what you eat already (whatever that is). So by all means give it a shot, and if you can lean a little bit towards Paleo (get plenty of protein, maybe cut out sugar and deep-fried foods...) you'll probably get better results.

But bear in mind it could well be just a randomly high reading, rather than that dude from Final Fantasy casting Death 'pon thee

In that vein, worth a read:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/makes-my-blood-boil/

Beezy · « **Reply #2837 on:** July 07, 2011, 11:24:39 AM »

I just popped in to say that I'm really starting to love chin-ups.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2838 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:51:52 PM »

Maybe you shouldn't worry about your abs now unless you don't care about getting stronger/bigger. Abs definition is really hard to keep if you decide to put on muscle. My cousin had a crazy cut 8 pack but that was soon gone once he decided to put on 20 extra lbs of muscle. I've seen other friends go through the same phase. The better strategy seems to get as much as muscle as you're happy with, then start cutting the fat.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2839 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:03:39 PM »

Try not to get too swept up the euphoria of the first week of dieting, because many people get disappointed when the same rate of weight loss fails to continue, and quit. It's mostly water weight, which will of course stabilize. Actually taking fat off your abdomen usually is a lot harder in most cases (all depends on what you have to lose in the first place of course).

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2840 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:13:31 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on July 08, 2011, 08:19:02 PM

lol, yeah, this is my 4th serious diet change and i -still- got caught up in the "oooh, at this rate I'll be <target> in <muchtooquickatime>" euphoria of the early stages - of course we've already been through the partial fallacy that is monitoring by weight loss, but for us fatties it's nice to step on the scales and see something there. Obviously this then bites you in the arse later when the scales don't move or, gasp, go back up due to muscle weighing more than fat

that said - my body has settled into a nice 68kg range and other than screaming insomnia and a heavy work load i feel so much more mentally sharper these days that it's unbelievable. Just need to work on sleeping really. Feels like i've been operating through a dense fog for the last 3 years.

The particular problem with low carb as a 'weight loss' diet (as opposed to a body comp FAT loss, muscle growth diet...) is that as soon as you go back on the bread and sugar, that water weight will go right back on. I have seen you go through this cycle so many times...

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2841 on:** July 08, 2011, 10:14:21 PM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 08, 2011, 10:05:04 PM

Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2011, 03:51:52 PM
Maybe you shouldn't worry about your abs now unless you don't care about getting stronger/bigger. Abs definition is really hard to keep if you decide to put on muscle. My cousin had a crazy cut 8 pack but that was soon gone once he decided to put on 20 extra lbs of muscle. I've seen other friends go through the same phase. The better strategy seems to get as much as muscle as you're happy with, then start cutting the fat.

Man, I've heard others say "cut the fat first, then put on the muscle."

I am interested in getting bigger/stronger. I'm not super concerned about getting a cut 8 pack, but I would also like more definition.

Argh, too many conflicting strategies. I guess I'll just try to get really fit and see what my body looks like when I get there.

YES.

Promote this person to Senior Member immediately.

cool breeze · « **Reply #2842 on:** July 09, 2011, 02:46:29 AM »

just about caffeine, I've been actively avoiding it for about a month now, and after the first week or so of feeling like a zombie, in a weird way, I feel more alert and focused. I'm not getting more sleep or anything healthy like that (still around 6 to 7 hours, if I'm lucky).

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2843 on:** July 09, 2011, 05:04:02 AM »

I'm pretty sure for most people 80% compliance works out far better than 100% compliance. It gets you out of the mindset of thinking of it as a short-term diet. There are legit scientific reasons to avoid 100% adherence too - stopping the ol' hypothalamus from downshifting the metabolism unduly, 'carb refeeds' and such. Even the shortest of short-term diets like McDonald's 'Rapid Fat Loss' one have a fair amount of cheat meals and off days built in, for various reasons (and with a fairly conservative definition of 'cheat', I should add...).

I don't think it's a great idea to actually schedule the cheats myself - they tend to just happen with me when I get fenced into a corner with the family or some other social thing. There's no point in annoying people at a party on a non-cheat day, then having a solitary pizza at home the next night.

The only thing I try to stick to is making sure I never have 2 bad meals in a row, or even 2 bad meals on consecutive days. It probably works out to 2 'bad' meals a week, and even they are a pretty lame version of 'bad' at this point. Like, I just had some deep-fried chicken along with a bunch of veggies and salad at a buffet lunch. That and the odd beer is about as 'bad' as I get these days.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2844 on:** July 09, 2011, 07:49:30 AM »

anyway, DC...when you coming over for kettlebells. Got a long weekend to fill here

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2845 on:** July 09, 2011, 08:19:06 AM »

Speaking of kettlebells, I gotta post this. Most useful KB tutorial EVAR EVAR.

Most people try the snatch 'cause it looks cool, but immediately bang the bell against their wrists and quit doing it (some idiots persist I suppose). There are a LOT of relative newcomers to the KB field who teach it wrong as well - I have seen countless vids on youtube where it is demonstrated wrong, where they teach students to 'punch through' at the top etc. Nope.

This is Steve Cotter, and he's not a newb, and this is how to do it right.

[youtube=560,345]bkeWDzUMVZI&NR=1[/youtube]

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #2846 on:** July 18, 2011, 03:07:33 AM »

Did the Warrior Dash today, tons of fun!

3.55 miles running in mud and going through obstacles like cargo nets, rope climbs, climbing over wrecked cars and jumping over flames. AWESOME DAY.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2847 on:** July 18, 2011, 06:14:34 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 18, 2011, 03:07:33 AM

Did the Warrior Dash today, tons of fun!

(Image removed from quote.)

3.55 miles running in mud and going through obstacles like cargo nets, rope climbs, climbing over wrecked cars and jumping over flames. AWESOME DAY.

All without putting down your beer

cool breeze · « **Reply #2848 on:** July 18, 2011, 10:36:23 PM »

That looks like a lot of fun. I actually wondered if any Bore people that frequent/live in Japan ever tried out for Sasuke.

anyway, after running a lot for the past few weeks, and doing some various sports, my knee started hurting two days ago. Why didn't I just lift heavy stuff :'(

I've also discovered fish I like: arctic char. No clue if it's a healthy fish or whatever but it taste good.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #2849 on:** July 19, 2011, 12:12:09 AM »

Quote from: Linkzg on July 18, 2011, 10:36:23 PM

That looks like a lot of fun. I actually wondered if any Bore people that frequent/live in Japan ever tried out for Sasuke.

I did the Sasuke course at Muscle Park last year. KICKED MY ASS.

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anyway, after running a lot for the past few weeks, and doing some various sports, my knee started hurting two days ago. Why didn't I just lift heavy stuff :'(

You probably messed up your IT band. Make sure you stretch a lot and you'll be fine.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2850 on:** July 19, 2011, 12:27:29 AM »

Yes, that is certainly the only thing that could possibly go wrong with a human knee, Dr Gundam

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #2851 on:** July 19, 2011, 12:29:42 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2011, 12:27:29 AM

Yes, that is certainly the only thing that could possibly go wrong with a human knee, Dr Gundam

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2852 on:** July 19, 2011, 06:59:54 AM »

I'm about 80 odd pages into Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. It's worth the read and if you lean towards the

angle, one of the top links on a Google search is a direct download PDF copy of it.

A great read. Lyle McDonald's material is fun to read and breaks it down for tards like myself who know little or nothing about human physiology. The biggest downside of this book is that it was written in 1998 when it seems like a lot of studies have come out since then. Maybe someday he should get around to releasing an updated version.

Also recommended is his Rapid Fat Loss book, which is also easy to find on the internets for free. It even has recipes in the back.

Right now I'm eating an omelette with Omega 3 cage free insect fed eggs, pepper jack cheese (organic of course), garlic, tomato, and habanero pepper.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2853 on:** July 19, 2011, 07:24:45 AM »

I read the RFL book again recently, but I think I've seen at least the gist of his other books on his blog. He has a bullshit-free style that gives his books quite a punch in terms of knowledge per page. Personally, I think we should be paying more attention to food quality than he normally advocates but it's very easy to graft on types of food you are comfortable with to the eating patterns he recommends. Well worth reading, I agree.

(re: the omelette, one day soon we'll graduate to just eating the insects

)

I got a new 20kg kettlebell over the weekend, so now I have a 16kg, a 20kg and a 24kg. It opens up a bunch of stuff that is too easy with 16kg and too hard with 24kg. Been doing stuff like windmills, snatches, one-handed presses from the ground, double KB squats, overhead squats and push presses. Fun stuff to do with a KB, since it adds a stabilization element to everything.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2854 on:** July 19, 2011, 08:01:10 AM »

I've been starting to do dumbbell snatches. In my 3rd session on saturday, I was doing sets with 60lbs.

How much harder is it usually to do an equivalent exercise with a KB instead of a DB? I messed around with a 35lbs KB at Target's and it felt even heavier than a 50lb DB.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2855 on:** July 19, 2011, 10:06:39 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 19, 2011, 08:01:10 AM

I've been starting to do dumbbell snatches. In my 3rd session on saturday, I was doing sets with 60lbs.

How much harder is it usually to do an equivalent exercise with a KB instead of a DB? I messed around with a 35lbs KB at Target's and it felt even heavier than a 50lb DB.

For most exercises, they are fairly interchangeable (one or the other will usually be much less awkward though). But you picked one of the ones that is a totally different experience with a DB rather than a KB. A DB snatch is done in my experience with a full squat, whereas the KB is a 'power' version with very little or no dip at all. So basically the DB version is about getting under the DB fast, then stabilizing as you stand up with it, while the KB version is about hurling the KB up high with hip drive and locking it out at the top.

I would say that KBs pretty much always feel heavier than the equivalent barbell weight (by quite a bit) but not necessarily heavier than the DB weight. In fact, DBs can be more awkward for some things. The stabilization requirement is what makes it so much more challenging...the more stabilization involved, the harder it is.

(on the other hand, try doing a Turkish get-up with a barbell

It can be done but it must be absolutely murderous).

Bottom line, try KBs, they're fun and make even the same old exercises challenging all over again.

Groogrux · « **Reply #2856 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:10:14 AM »

So I got back from my vacation on Saturday. I was in Hilton Head, SC for a week and I did a lot of walking but never really exercised. I also didn't follow a paleo diet because that would have been next to impossible with all the people I went with.

However, I did go to my old gym and work out and it felt pretty good. I bought myself (Cormac, close your eyes) a powder mix that is primarily protein, creatine, and a little bit of N.O. boosters with some caffeine mixed in. It's called N.O. Shotgun and I like it pretty well. I'm going to use it for the next little while to get myself back on track until I'm back where I want to be with my health and weight-loss. I haven't weighed myself, but I would imagine that I've put back on ten pounds or so.

There is a great gym in the town that I'm living in now, and I plan to get a membership soon and start working out there. I might even hire a personal trainer for a few sessions to get myself on the right track. The one thing that I've learned about personal trainers though is that they don't always jive well with Paleo dieting or Primal Blueprint-ers. It's hard to get people to break the mindset of "carbs are bad".

Anywho, when I finally weigh myself and get things going again, I'll be sure to update everyone.

Mupepe · « **Reply #2857 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:53:46 AM »

I would be very careful with picking a personal trainer. Chances are they won't like anything you do that is recommended in this thread. They're instructed to give you "safest" advice they can. So that means they'll tell you to eat a "balanced" diet and stick to tons of cardio and a few machine lifts. They're generally crap and depending on the requirements of your state they could have little or no actual knowledge of nutrition and the human body.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the PWO mix you got. Plenty of people use stuff like that with good results. I think most of them are overly expensive though and I hate the way they make me feel. But if you can handle both of those aspects I don't see anything wrong with it (except if it's one of those mixes that comes packed with sugar).

Keep us updated, dude.

Groogrux · « **Reply #2858 on:** July 19, 2011, 12:09:20 PM »

That is one draw-back to personal trainers in this state is that they aren't required to have any training prior to starting. However, I'm picky about trainers and I'm going to look for somebody that is at least ISSA certified or the equivalent. Also, I'm going to be up front that I'm not looking for help on anything but strength training and some cardio. No nutrition will be required of them. I know it's going to be rough, but it's at least worth a shot. I've looked at the profiles listed on the local gym's website for a few of them and some of them look alright. I'll just have to see when I get there.

I tried to N.O. Shotgun for the first time yesterday for my workout. I took the recommended dose and I really liked the effects. I was originally afraid to use N.O. boosters because so many people seem out of their heads when they use them, but the effect was gentle for me. I imagine that with my size and weight, that what would be a huge dose for a normal person would be a normal dose for me. I don't plan on using more than the recommended dose.

Mupepe · « **Reply #2859 on:** July 19, 2011, 01:24:07 PM »

Yeah, your size might have something to do with that. By the way, there are threads on bodybuilding.com where you can make most of that shit a lot cheaper if you have time. NO boosters are usually just caffeine and l-arginine with creatine and cheap bcaa supplements. Mixing it separately you can probably do it cheaper and control dosages of each for your own body. Just a thought.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2860 on:** July 20, 2011, 08:02:53 PM »

NYT, ugh. Can you just post the text in spoiler tags maybe?

Or if you want us to look at the STUDY, post a link to the study, not the armchair scientist journo randomly assigned to turn it into a sensational headline for the Sunday supplement

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2861 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:22:13 PM »

Is this a big study? Randomized, controlled, double-blind...? Who sponsored it?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2862 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:00:15 PM »

Thanks. Despite the huge scale, it's not that useful to me unfortunately, since there is no control, it seems. It's also self-reported, so no doubt deeply flawed. Also, it makes no distinction between 'weight loss' and 'fat loss'.

So yay, whole grains are better....relative to potato chips. How does that help the debate, at this point? I think even the most ardent advocate of potato chips or the most vocal detractor of whole grains would already agree on that. What I'm interested in is: what happens when you completely cut out all these things that promote weight gain, and eat only the things that seemingly promote weight loss? If they go ahead and follow it up, that's the direction they should take I think. But they probably won't 'cause it's too hard to organize something like that (i.e. a true intervention trial, with strict controls).

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2863 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:28:17 PM »

yogurt is linked to weight loss because it is sold to dieters and exercise junkies. correlative, not causative -- which is all this study is. red meat is linked to weight gain because dieters have been told for years that meat is bad, veggies are linked to weight loss because folks looking to lose weight switch to a vegetable diet based on similar cultural indoctrination. this isn't science; it's just arbitrarily drawing dotted lines.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2864 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:30:53 PM »

If they don't make a distinction between low-fat, high sugar yoghurt and full-fat, no sugar yoghurt, it's even more pointless.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2865 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:50:00 AM »

Well, they had the opportunity here to do a really good study but dropped the ball. Should they get a pass because of their name?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2866 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:59:08 AM »

The entire history of the field of nutritional science is laid out in 'Good Calories, Bad Calories' by Gary Taubes if you want to look. We've had all the information we need for years about how badly science and journalism has served us here. It's way past time someone did something better. But why worry about the entire world when it's hard enough just changing your own diet. I can't work up any enthusiasm for helping mentally and physically lazy fatties a world away.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2867 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:42:12 AM »

more dangerous than kettlebells to a Cumbrian

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2868 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:06:45 PM »

look at DC, finding websites and shit. golf claps, everyone

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2869 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:35:12 PM »

Maybe you should stick to vidya, less tiring

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2870 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:34:31 PM »

you play futsal? I NEVER KNEW

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2871 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:43:50 PM »

Groogrux · « **Reply #2872 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:44:40 PM »

So I went back to my old town to get the final load of belongings, but then I ran into a snafu when the spare key was removed by my (ex?) father-in-law. I decided to take the opportunity to go see my doctor who happens to be a friend of mine. He didn't mind me being a walk-in and was eager to talk to me (although he forgot why I hadn't been around, and I had to akwardly remind him

). I told him that I had started smoking again and I was having trouble kicking it.

We talked about Chantix, but decided against it because the drug has the known side effects of depression and vivid dreaming, and that was something I probably didn't need (all things considered). The alternative was something he said would be a "Wonder-Drug" to me. He gave me a script for Wellbutrin, which is an anti-depressant that also helps it's users stop smoking as well. The other added benefit is that it helps with weight-loss. So for me, it's a win-win.

I've already taken the first dose, and I have to admit that it feels alright...

Groogrux · « **Reply #2873 on:** July 22, 2011, 11:39:04 AM »

How do you guys feel about Protein shakes for meal replacement?

I've been using Syntha-6 for the past month usually as a once per day meal replacement. It's not too bad and I stay satisfied off of it for quite a while.

Ideas? Suggestions? Something better?

Mupepe · « **Reply #2874 on:** July 22, 2011, 12:26:47 PM »

I'm not familiar with Syntha-6 but the only thing I'd look out for is ones packed with sugar. Some of them like 20 grams of sugar. But I used protein shakes a lot on Dave Palumbo's diet and got great results

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2875 on:** July 24, 2011, 12:26:26 AM »

Finished up with The Ketogenic Diet from Lyle McDonald. It's a great book that breaks down the concepts of human physiology for people like myself who know less than jack shit about it. At the end of each chapter, he cites where he pulls this information from if people want to know further about anything that he is talking about. Again, the downside is that the ebook is 13 years old and is probably in need of an updated version. It's worth the read and if you're a poor or a tightass, it is so easy to find a free online PDF copy that a direct download to a copy is one of the top Google search results.

Now onto Gary Taubes' Good Calories Bad Calories.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2876 on:** July 25, 2011, 11:28:00 PM »

Not exactly hilarious but a neat summation in video form

[youtube=560,345]BRpRCTiKIH8[/youtube]

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2877 on:** July 27, 2011, 05:57:50 PM »

I'm a third of the way into GCBC. It's an electrifying read!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2878 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:53:42 PM »

A good companion piece is 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre, which I talked about a little in the books thread. It casts more light on how trial results get misinterpreted and abused, and how bad trials get the green light in the first place. The takeaway I found most intriguing in GCBC is just how much personal rivalries come into play - Ancel Keys' professional ambitions and inability to tolerate conflicting results or theories alone have caused untold damage, by the looks of it.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2879 on:** July 27, 2011, 08:48:42 PM »

Posting this 'cause it neatly encompasses damn near everything I see or say in this thread:

http://thenextweb.com/lifehacks/2011/07/26/nerd-fitness-from-60-pounds-overweight-to-6-pack-abs/

Read the whole thing and you'll know what you're doing wrong ('cause this dude made ALL the classic mistakes), and how to do it right ('cause he ended up doing it ALL right!), other than a few details (and it even has links for that!).

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