FitnessBore - 2018 edition

[Cormacaroni]

Cormac, can you please recommend some Omega 3 oils?

I remember you saying something recently about how it has to be liver oil or something like that

Been doing squats and benching 

Can you bench 2 plates?

well, the current platonic ideal seems to be Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) but there is only one company that makes it and it is insanely expensive. Even Eric P tapped out after a month on it (which seemed to go very well) and it is WAY too expensive for me to import.

I take various fish oil tablets or lemon-infused cod liver oil, but mostly I just eat a bunch of salmon fillets and other seafood.

The weather is awesome right now so just got back from my first sprint session at the park since probably last October or so. Feels great to be done with it but I am DEAD.

Andy, CBL needs a lot more tweaking than CNS. You could very easily find yourself gaining weight instead of losing it. Until you get rid of a bunch more fat, I would stick with CNS and just try to keep your weights as soon after carb nite as possible. Performance has to be secondary to losing fat and getting healthy. If you need more energy before a workout, DRINK MORE COFFEE! It mobilizes fat, among other things.

[TakingBackSunday]

when I started paleo: 191

now: 176

yay

[Cormacaroni]

burning question: how long before the Pics thread is all Brand New and his abs?

[BlueTsunami]

Hopefully sooner than later

[Eric P]

Cormac, can you please recommend some Omega 3 oils?

I remember you saying something recently about how it has to be liver oil or something like that

Been doing squats and benching 

Can you bench 2 plates?

well, the current platonic ideal seems to be Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) but there is only one company that makes it and it is insanely expensive. Even Eric P tapped out after a month on it (which seemed to go very well) and it is WAY too expensive for me to import.

shit's crazy expensive.  like $50 for a month's supply.  I did two bottles, felt good but then had to stop.  i currently don't do anything other than magnesium citrate, k2 and still doing the liver pills (because they're 500 to a bucket.  doubt i'll do them again).

cbl is really weird.  i'm doing bodyweight exercises so i don't know if i'm getting a full benefit.  my weight fluctuates all over the place but i have gone down a belt loop in 3 weeks something that hasn't happened in a while

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I take Fermented Cod Liver Oil and it is great for my skin as I have a form of dermatitis.

It is extremely expensive and it isn't always easily available.  So if you have the spare cash, get 2-3 bottles at a minimum.

[Mupepe]

Andy, CBL needs a lot more tweaking than CNS. You could very easily find yourself gaining weight instead of losing it. Until you get rid of a bunch more fat, I would stick with CNS and just try to keep your weights as soon after carb nite as possible. Performance has to be secondary to losing fat and getting healthy. If you need more energy before a workout, DRINK MORE COFFEE! It mobilizes fat, among other things.

Yeah, I thought I had read that from John Kiefer that CBL was for gaining mass with minimal fat gain and Carb Nite was for losing fat without losing muscle mass and that the two were not interchangeable for the same goals. 

[Dickie Dee]

haha, this is what happens when the thread dies for a week, you all leap off the wagon with both feet

Forgive me Cormac for I have sinned. It has been 2 weeks since my last confession.

[Dickie Dee]

I wish I had a proper scale that I could weigh myself maybe once a week on. I got a bathroom scale and even knowing not to question every fluctuation and probable measurement error and trying to mentally fit a trend to the scatter - it's still all fucked and I can't make heads or tails of my body's responses.

After plateauing for a couple of weeks my weight just seemed to plunge like 5+ lbs overnight.

[Mupepe]

I wish I had a proper scale that I could weigh myself maybe once a week on. I got a bathroom scale and even knowing not to question every fluctuation and probable measurement error and trying to mentally fit a trend to the scatter - it's still all fucked and I can't make heads or tails of my body's responses.

After plateauing for a couple of weeks my weight just seemed to plunge like 5+ lbs overnight.

The problem with shittier scales is just how inaccurate they are.  Stepping on a slightly different area can change it 2 to 3 lbs sometimes.  It sucks.  When I was obsessed with the number on the scale I placed tape where my heel and big toe should go so that I stepped on it the same way every time.  Kinda (okay, not kinda. Completely) pathetic.  But it did help with my OCD issues regarding weight.

Plateauing and then dropping large amounts of weight really fast is pretty common.  A few studies have been done and one of the prevailing theories is that depleted fat cells hold a lot of water and after a while the body will drop the water weight from it and so you'll see on the scale 2 to 3 weeks of weight loss in one or two days. 

[Smooth Groove]

think I'll try this for two months,

http://livesuperfoods.com/green-pastures-blue-ice-royal-capsules.html

It's relatively affordable and reviews are excellent

[Smooth Groove]

Anyone try sleeping on a hard surface?

I've been sleeping on the floor lately and it seems to help a lot with back and legs recovery

[Mupepe]

fuck that   I'll sleep in my bed.  My recoveries are just fine 

[Cormacaroni]

spending some of your TV / game / reading time on the floor instead of the couch is a good thing for recovery and flexibility. It's a pretty easy way to keep some flexibility without feeling like you're working. Just the natural shifting around you do to keep the blood flowing is basic maintenance that's worth doing I think

[Mupepe]

sounds reasonable.  But I'm sleeping in my damn bed.  I'm stubborn that way.  That's a line I will not cross!

[Eric P]

THE JIG IS UP!  DEPLOY THE CUPCAKES

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/10/paleofantasy_stone_age_delusions/

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Is Salon a joke site

[Dickie Dee]

I'm skeptical of some of the paleo tenets. I haven't done a ton of reading on it but I always got the feeling that the whole caveman argument was a logical fallacy of some sort.

And apart from honest-to-goodness celiacs and people with wheat allergies there are almost certainly people glomming onto the whole "gluten senstive" fad that will move onto something else shortly.

Still, it probably has value if only in recognizing that alot of modern foods have us basically freebasing carbs in ways that are probably unhealthy. I dunno.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

im not a doctor or cormac but i can see how the CAVEMEN stuff is a little weird, but the basic core fundamentals of the paleo movement (don't eat grains, limit carbs, body weight fitness) is smart dieting. I never bought into the whole "only buy grass fed meat / eat earthly" even when I started dieting and was very paleo.

Can't believe I used to run around in the snow barefoot though 

[Mupepe]

I follow the guidelines that I do because it works.  It's the same reason I do carb nite.  It's not because I believe it's the optimal way my body evolved (obviously far from it regarding carb nite).  It's just that it works.  When people ask me about how I eat I don't start talking about toxins and shit, I just tell them about the chemical and hormonal reactions that occur due to the way I eat and how it effects my body. 

For the record, I'm not saying paleo is necessarily wrong or right.  I just don't care.  If something more effective was to come around I'd do that.  But so far paleo/ULC guidelines are what have gotten me results.

[Eric P]

yeah i personally haven't considered myself paleo for a long time.  i just eat whole foods.  I don't follow any paleo blogs anymore except Paleodrama because I am easily amused.

[Cormacaroni]

the article is absurd. Adaptation CAN occur very quickly but that doesn't mean it DID in this case. Some populations are pretty well adapted to grains, either genetically or via their lifestyles and the rest of their diets. But they aren't the ones reading Paleo blogs or Slate articles - they're the people who've probably never touched a computer. And even those populations become obese and sick quickly whenever they're placed in a processed carb and sugar Wonderland like the US of A. No-one is adapted well to that

[Cormacaroni]

this guy is my brother

[Smooth Groove]

That guy is a beast

I'd love to train with him

Whip me into shape in no time

[Smooth Groove]

For those of you who've trained at least 6 months, how do you feel after most of your workouts?

Just wondering because I still get sore quite often, even though I've been training pretty consistently for 18 months

[Cormacaroni]

the latest Paleo solution goes over some of the Westside stuff Smooth - the rationale behind chains etc. Marc Bell is the guest, who is also a big proponent of Kiefer's stuff. Good listen

Soreness doesn't ever really stop if you train hard but serious DOMS shouldn't be occurring regularly unless you are doing new exercises (or just go completely OTT, like a 20rep squat or something). I got it a lot when doing Crossfit (and doing random shit all the time) but just doing kettlebell stuff of equivalent intensity doesn't give me DOMS 'cause they are movements i'm used to.

[Mupepe]

I haven't fallen off the workout wagon in a year and a half now.  I still get sore after every workout, but the debilitating pain I used to get on leg days doesn't happen anymore.  but if I poke my thighs or something it's definitely sore. 

[ToxicAdam]

I still get sore all the time. Nothing debilitating though.

The only exception is if I skip leg days a few weeks and then I will get those "walking down the stairs funny" DOM's the next time I work them hard. So, I have learned to 1) never skip leg days or 2) go real easy the first time I work them out after skipping them.

[Beezy]

If I don't get sore I feel like I didn't get a good workout in. Last year I was in a car accident and people asked me if I was sore. I had to tell them that I didn't know because I work out.

 

[Shaka Khan]

this guy is my brother

"You look like all the nerds just had a convention on your body. Like all the nerds in the world said you know what? I know where to go."

[Smooth Groove]

the latest Paleo solution goes over some of the Westside stuff Smooth - the rationale behind chains etc. Marc Bell is the guest, who is also a big proponent of Kiefer's stuff. Good listen

Soreness doesn't ever really stop if you train hard but serious DOMS shouldn't be occurring regularly unless you are doing new exercises (or just go completely OTT, like a 20rep squat or something). I got it a lot when doing Crossfit (and doing random shit all the time) but just doing kettlebell stuff of equivalent intensity doesn't give me DOMS 'cause they are movements i'm used to.

thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out

I guess I get sore because I ball regularly in addition to lifting heavy

Every week, I tried to get stronger, whether if it's more weight or an extra rep

[BlueTsunami]

So 2 1/2 months and I'm almost benching a 45 and 25 on each side. Two plates here I come. Benching 165 currently (I weigh 180) and felt really strong doing them earlier today. Good workout.

[Smooth Groove]

good job, Blue

if that hot chick is watching, remember to have your dad spot you for 2 plates while yelling "it's all you!"

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I got stupidly drunk two days ago  off of Vodka and in the process broke my plateu and lost 5lbs.

Bodies are fucking weird

edit grats blue

[Mupepe]

I got stupidly drunk two days ago  off of Vodka and in the process broke my plateu and lost 5lbs.

Bodies are fucking weird

edit grats blue

alcohol is a great way to purge water weight

[Fifstar]

Soda is probably the easiest way to get fat. I remember a dude in a pen & paper rpg group that was super fat and always used to bring 6 big bottles of and than procedded to drink 3 of those over the course of a couple hours.

Although I think it's even crazier that normal juice that is often regarded as healthy actually has the same amount of sugar

[BlueTsunami]

Bringing a personal 2 liter soda to anything gaming related is totally a neckbeard thing to do

[TakingBackSunday]

I've been soda free for two years, thank god.

Although I love a good Dr. Pepper  :'(

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Mountain Dew was literally the only thing I used to drink and i'd drink a 12 pack of cans a day. I'm glad I don't touch that shit anymore. Hell soda and home baked stuff with milk in it I can't eat at all anymore without getting a really disgusting aftertaste of syrup/milk

[Verdigris Murder]

Bringing a personal 2 liter soda to anything gaming related is totally a neckbeard thing to do

Tennis players do this all the time. No neckberads either.

[Verdigris Murder]

One of the black sisters almost has one though.

[Boogie]

Well, I have rediscovered that age-old most effective weight loss method.

Getting really fucking sick.

Laid up with what I assume was the flu since Wednesday, and have dropped 5-8 pounds since then.

Touched the scales at 192.6 lbs today, a low that I am pretty sure I have not seen on a scale since the Vancouver Olympics in February 2010.

I was hoping to hit that mark sometime in the next couple months, y'know, healthily, but fuck it, right? 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Mountain Dew was literally the only thing I used to drink and i'd drink a 12 pack of cans a day. I'm glad I don't touch that shit anymore. Hell soda and home baked stuff with milk in it I can't eat at all anymore without getting a really disgusting aftertaste of syrup/milk

I used to clear a cube of Mountain Dew Code Red every weekend.  It was about $4 so it wasn't a big investment either.

[Dickie Dee]

google "Mountain Dew Mouth"

[Oblivion]

So I'm somewhat proud of myself. I've went to the gym two weeks in a row, which for me is a new record!

Yeah, yeah I know, that's somewhat pathetic, but before every time I signed up for the gym, something got in the way (school, work, laziness, etc.), so two weeks in a row is a pretty big deal for me. More importantly, though, I think I'm actually seeing results! My biceps actually feel firmer/harder, even when I'm not flexing! That's never happened before. Usually, after a workout they'd appear firmer/harder (which I'm pretty sure is SUPPOSED to happen), but after a few hours they turn to jelly again. My last trip was on Friday, so it does seem this is providing me dividends.

Who woulda thought you'd see improvement by actually sticking to something?

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

google "Mountain Dew Mouth"

I'm too afraid to see what I'll find when I google that.  I will say that I never got a cavity during those years.

[Oblivion]

According to the google, Mountain Dew mouth mainly occurs in redneck areas where the denizens don't get any dental care.

[Groogrux]

(He means places like where I live.)

[Eric P]

broke paleo for a carbnite and it didn't go well
had a girlscout cookie shake and and i couldn't sleep because i had to uh, be close to the bathroom
everything finally calmed down for me around 3 am and i was able to get a few hours of sleep

[Mupepe]

carb nites will do that to you.  carb nite always cleans out my system    My carb nite included alcohol this time.  Lots of it.  Bleh.  It was fun but I felt like ass all day yesterday.  And it wasn't a hangover.  It was just extreme lethargy.

[Dickie Dee]

I had no idea until carb nite that it's possible to plug a toilet just with poop before even getting to the TP

[drew]

is this a good deal for a kettlebell? also do you think i should get the 35 pound one instead?

https://www.onnit.com/onnit-kettlebells/?pid=184

65 bucks for a 45 pounder, not including shipping, afraid of what that'll come to

[Himu]

Second day of crossfit.

Ten minutes of:

7 jumping pull ups, 12 weight swings, 10 sit ups. Made it to round 6.

So far leg doms are completely gone. Hopefully this means I can have a peaceful poop for a change.

Haven't barfed yet today. Probably helps I didn't eat breakfast before going to the gym like last time  (god I am so fucking stupid)

[MyNameIsMethodis]

is this a good deal for a kettlebell? also do you think i should get the 35 pound one instead?

https://www.onnit.com/onnit-kettlebells/?pid=184

65 bucks for a 45 pounder, not including shipping, afraid of what that'll come to

cormac can go more into it but if you haven't lifted before or used a kettlebell get a 30-35 lb one thats the "starter male" pound.

[Groogrux]

Yeah, I keep a 25lb bell at home and that's a good one for me.  30-35 is good too.  Also, Walmart is a thing, bro.  I think I gave $20 for mine.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

just don't get a two piece one they have a bad history of breaking and potentially killing you

[Himu]

Is it normal to fart when doing heavy exercises?

[Smooth Groove]

No, just depends on what and when you ate before working out

[Groogrux]

Is it normal to fart when doing heavy exercises?

I think it was Mups and I who discussed this a while back.  Yeah, when doing squats or deadlifts, I sometimes get the sneak-attack fart that finds its way out.  I usually go on like nothing happened.

[Himu]

I always do it during sit ups.