Nintendo Wii: Does it really qualify as a videogame system?

[Van Cruncheon]

I agree:
http://www.gaming-age.com/reviews/archive/old_reviews/ga2/n64/zelda.shtml

i mistakenly gave oot the score i MEANT to give twilight princess (gc)

[Flannel Boy]

I ordered Uncharted 2 because of your recommendation. Let's hope your taste has improved.

[cool breeze]

A brief history of my time with the wii:  played a bunch at friends houses, got party games for it, had a blast doing all that.  Mario Galaxy came out and was enchanting.  Super hyped for Smash Brawl because Melee on Gamecube was fun with friends.  Brawl was released, no one cared, Melee was more fun and that sorta killed the wii as a social thing for me.  Since then I went through phases where I was hoping there was still something to play, wanting to check out any notable release, annoyed that there was literally nothing for it.  Skip a head to now where I've come to peace with it.  I'm not playing it much but I'm also not going to sell it.  It will sit there, waiting, until a rare good game comes out.  C/D-tier games like Silent Hill and Muramasa are getting skipped until they're really cheap.  It's not just the Wii either since I have very little expectations for the Nintendo in general; the DS just had the advantage of good third party support.

I ordered Uncharted 2 because of your recommendation. Let's hope your taste has improved.

Uncharted 2 has a poorly-developed cinematic quality that overwhelms rather than enhances the whole game experience.

 

[Van Cruncheon]

uncharted 2 is sooo fuckin pretty, though! tvc isn't as thrilled with it, though, so you may wanna second-guess me, here. :-(

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, once you pass the stupid heist prologue bit, it has some freakin' miraculous pacing

[Purple Filth]

Wii as only 3  games i would pirate for it.

thats really fucking bad for supposedly "the best system evar"  :'(

hell i find more games to play on a fucking PS3 and that thing is said to have no games for years.

[Eel O'Brian]

my favorite bit was jumping from truck to truck and dudes out left and right

imma buy that game when it achieves equilibrium with my cheaposity

[demi]

Wii as only 3  games i would pirate for it.

thats really fucking bad for supposedly "the best system evar"  :'(

Dont sell it short man. I thought I wouldnt come up with much and I wound up with around 40. Deleted the ones I beat, and the ones that were trash (Silent Hill got the boot immediately) and I'm still at a healthy 32.

[cool breeze]

yeah, the truck sequence was incredible.  i was thinking about it earlier today for some reason and was planning to look up which chapter it was in and replay it, then i forgot.

[Nintendosbooger]

My library of reviews

> The Conduit http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=30969.0
> Boy And his Blob http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32188.0
> Cursed Mountain http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=31658.0
> MadWorld http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=29620.0
> Deadly Creatures http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28629.0
> LIT http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28520.0
> Castlevania Judgment & StarTropics 2 http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28001.0
> Miscellaneous Reviews http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=15618.0

Do you deliberately play Wii games just to shit on them afterwards? For the exception of LIT, none of those reviews seemed favorable and the fact that you haven't posted more impressions of Wii's better titles leads me to suspect the presence of an anti-Wii agenda.

[Sho Nuff]

There's a FFXIII

I heard that Crystal Bearers for Wii is great! The characters are so funny. When the cows started chasing the hero in the trailer I laughed so hard and called my mom into the room to watch it too!!

Better than XIII? Maybe, if FUN is your thing!

[demi]

What? That's nonsense. Are you claiming all negative reviews/impressions are of an anti-agenda? Certainly all those articles from "paid" reviewers are of anti-agenda then?

[Van Cruncheon]

i own and recommend:

super mario galaxy
new super mario bros wii (with reservations)
geometry wars galaxies (shits on the 360 ones)
hotd: overkill
resident evil 4 wii

i have heard super good things about dead space extraction from gentleman gamers and if i get any gift certs soon i will be picking it up

games i own and will trade in soon on account of fail:

muramasa: the demon blade
phantom brave remix
madworld
fire emblem: radiant dawn
tales of symphonia 2

[The Fake Shemp]

There's a FFXIII

I heard that Crystal Bearers for Wii is great! The characters are so funny. When the cows started chasing the hero in the trailer I laughed so hard and called my mom into the room to watch it too!!

Better than XIII? Maybe, if FUN is your thing!

Yeah, maybe if Prole and demi included FUN ratings in their reviews, they've have a higher ratio of positive Wii experiences. The Wii practically emits fun!*

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* At the cost of polygons, textures, image quality and fundamental game design.

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[bork]

I don't care what your gripe with the system is.

I don't have any gripes with the system.  I guess the Wii fans = illiterate stereotype is true!

The blockbuster first-party games on the Wii more than make up for its alleged third party software deficiency.

Can we expect third party games on the Wii to be as good as Nintendo's? Of course not. No one can beat Nintendo at this game. No one.

But do I feel that the third party games adequately supplement the Wii's enormously successful first party library, to combine for a complete and unforgettable gaming experience? Absolutely.

While I'm waiting for Galaxy 2 to come out, I've been playing Silent Hill: SM, Muramasa, and others. Great games that will warm me up for an even greater game.

i have played both shattered memories and muramasa and any praise for them shows just how low the bar is for wii-exclusive fans

Pretty much.  Well, Muramasa has some purty graphics.  Got to give it that much!  I love the artwork.  The game is incredibly mediocre though.  I beat it with Kisuke and don't know if I will ever replay it again with Momohime.

I'm gonna have to get HoTD Overkill.

[demi]

There's a FFXIII

I heard that Crystal Bearers for Wii is great! The characters are so funny. When the cows started chasing the hero in the trailer I laughed so hard and called my mom into the room to watch it too!!

Better than XIII? Maybe, if FUN is your thing!

Yeah, maybe if Prole and demi included FUN ratings in their reviews, they've have a higher ratio of positive Wii experiences. The Wii practically emits fun!*

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* At the cost of polygons, textures, image quality and fundamental game design.

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We went over the fun* factor back in 2007

> http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=12885.0

[drew]

HEY NINTENDOSBOOGER DO YOU OWN AN HDTV?

[Van Cruncheon]

There's a FFXIII

I heard that Crystal Bearers for Wii is great! The characters are so funny. When the cows started chasing the hero in the trailer I laughed so hard and called my mom into the room to watch it too!!

Better than XIII? Maybe, if FUN is your thing!

i think little king's story is amazing because the townspeople do some pretty wacky stuff if you watch them. like when the knight gets knocked over by a boar, his eyes become these silly spirals and a sweat bead drips down his head. it's like those old warner brothers cartoons -- an instant classic. i can tell you that the family and i love to gather 'round the teevee and just watch some the crazy antics emerge from the gameplay. you really don't see that sort of thing on those dry, mature-in-quotes HD systems!

[The Fake Shemp]

I think the Wii is a good litmus test for weeding out the faux-gamers from the real gamers. If it's your only source of gaming, then you probably hate the hobby entirely. I also think that the hardcore brave enough to purchase a Wii should not be chastised or pitied, but applauded for their bravery.

I mean, how many brave souls would sink down to such a primitive, non-existent level of gaming if only to scour but a few scant instances of actual gameplay amongst the Wii's massive catalog of shovelware? They are doing us a service; playing through the garbage so we don't have to.

[bork]

I know I made at least TWO threads this year about Wii games.  That's got to be some kind of record!   

[Nintendosbooger]

What? That's nonsense. Are you claiming all negative reviews/impressions are of an anti-agenda? Certainly all those articles from "paid" reviewers are of anti-agenda then?

I just find it a tad suspicious that you would showcase only those reviews that could act as a case against the Wii and serve to strengthen the erroneous impression that the Wii lacks plentiful good games.

[The Fake Shemp]

I know I made at least TWO threads this year about Wii games.  That's got to be some kind of record!   

Thank you sir for your service to our country

[bork]

Nintendosbooger, answer drew's question.  

[demi]

What? That's nonsense. Are you claiming all negative reviews/impressions are of an anti-agenda? Certainly all those articles from "paid" reviewers are of anti-agenda then?

I just find it a tad suspicious that you would showcase only those reviews that could act as a case against the Wii and serves to strengthen the erroneous impression that the Wii lacks plentiful good games.

Did you read my MadWorld review? I clearly make the argument that there is in fact a better game to be played.

[The Fake Shemp]

I think it should be evident by now that he doesn't own a HDTV, probably because standard definition is just that much more fun.

[cool breeze]

There's a FFXIII

I heard that Crystal Bearers for Wii is great! The characters are so funny. When the cows started chasing the hero in the trailer I laughed so hard and called my mom into the room to watch it too!!

Better than XIII? Maybe, if FUN is your thing!

i hear little king's story is amazing because the townspeople do some pretty wacky stuff if you watch them. like when the knight gets knocked over by a boar, his eyes become these silly spirals and a sweat bead drips down his head. it's like those old warner brothers cartoons -- an instant classic. i can tell you that the family and i love to gather 'round the teevee and just watch some the crazy antics emerge from the gameplay. you really don't see that sort of thing on those dry, mature-in-quotes HD systems!

I don't know about all that shit, but it plays like Pikmin mixed with city builder game.  Wii 2009 GOTY

[Van Cruncheon]

i wish i had read demi's madworld review before i went out and spent $8.41 on it :'(

demi, the consumer reports of gaming

[bork]

I think it should be evident by now that he doesn't own a HDTV, probably because standard definition is just that much more fun.

I remember when I was 10 and everyone would champion whatever mommy and daddy bought for them because that's all they had, and so everything else just had to suck.  Ask your parents for a 360 or PS3 for next Xmas, Nintendosbooger!  

:usavich

[demi]

Now that Nintendo has adopted a Blue Ocean strategy, the only option is to build a ship.

The U.S.S. USB Loader sails the seven seas in search of that legendary good wii game.

I am hoping to make it one day. We make many stops to many islands, but none have given me the hint that my journey will come to a close.

[drew]

wow even 99 pt type cant get nintendosbooger to own up to whether or not he owns an hdtv, i think its more than safe to assume no at this point

[Sho Nuff]

There's a FFXIII

I heard that Crystal Bearers for Wii is great! The characters are so funny. When the cows started chasing the hero in the trailer I laughed so hard and called my mom into the room to watch it too!!

Better than XIII? Maybe, if FUN is your thing!

i think little king's story is amazing because the townspeople do some pretty wacky stuff if you watch them. like when the knight gets knocked over by a boar, his eyes become these silly spirals and a sweat bead drips down his head. it's like those old warner brothers cartoons -- an instant classic. i can tell you that the family and i love to gather 'round the teevee and just watch some the crazy antics emerge from the gameplay. you really don't see that sort of thing on those dry, mature-in-quotes HD systems!

It's true. With systems like the Wii you have to let your brain fill in the blanks. In a way it's up to the player's creativity to make the most of the game. You never saw people saying "Warner Brothers cartoons are awful because they are so crude!" Outstanding point Prole.

[Nintendosbooger]

Why would I need a new TV? Outside of using the Wii and watching my 'Skins get pummeled, I have no reason to bother with it. Maybe when the price of the HD consoles plummet to a more reasonable price (<150), I'll get one of them along with a new set.

[pilonv1]

Why would I need a new TV? Outside of using the Wii and watching my 'Skins get pummeled, I have no reason to bother with it. Maybe when the price of the HD consoles plummet to a more reasonable price (<150), I'll get one of them along with a new set.

Well there's nothing in this post I didn't expect.

Wii owner and a Redskins fan. Perfect match for those who hate themselves

[drew]

so, what youre saying is, you wouldnt know the benefits of owning an hdtv, of which there are many, because it is fucking awesome, from first hand experience, and therefore shouldnt really be using the term hd bots and treating it like a non issue (it is one), because it makes you look like a dolt?

i got a 32 inch vizio for $350, which is the perfect size for playing from your bed, thats not a high price when it comes to buying a new tv, even if you were in the 90s buying an sd set, the price would have been the same

[demi]

Why would I need a new TV? Outside of using the Wii and watching my 'Skins get pummeled, I have no reason to bother with it. Maybe when the price of the HD consoles plummet to a more reasonable price (<150), I'll get one of them along with a new set.

Well there's nothing in this post I didn't expect.

Wii owner and a Redskins fan. Perfect match for those who hate themselves

Poor Willco  :'(

[Nintendosbooger]

so, what youre saying is, you wouldnt know the benefits of owning an hdtv, of which there are many, because it is fucking awesome, from first hand experience, and therefore shouldnt really be using the term hd bots and treating it like a non issue (it is one), because it makes you look like a dolt?

I've played games for both systems, on HD sets. Gears of War, for example, looked clean, but I wasn't impressed all that much. If Nintendo wanted to, they could make a game look just as good, but that's not their game and they've stated that repeatedly. I'll take gameplay over graphics any day.

[Flannel Boy]

I'll take gameplay over graphics any day.

I'll take well reasoned arguments over false dichotomies any day.

[bork]

Why would I need a new TV? Outside of using the Wii and watching my 'Skins get pummeled, I have no reason to bother with it. Maybe when the price of the HD consoles plummet to a more reasonable price (<150), I'll get one of them along with a new set.

You can't afford $199 for an XBox 360 arcade unit?    You can always get a nice HD monitor to use it on, too.  No need for an HDTV.

I've played games for both systems, on HD sets. Gears of War, for example, looked clean, but I wasn't impressed all that much. If Nintendo wanted to, they could make a game look just as good, but that's not their game and they've stated that repeatedly.

I feel like I've travelled back in time to the old AOL days.  You're like a genuinely absurdly blind n-fanboy.  I take back what I said about your joke character act!

EDIT: Oh shit, he has an AOL e-mail address!   

I'll take gameplay over graphics any day.

Yeah, me too.  That's why I prefer to play games on the systems that have games with good game play and actual controllers, not waggle-fest garbage.  

It's nice having game play and graphics, too.

I'll take a dead hooker over a peanut butter sandwich any day.

 

[Great Rumbler]

Boom Blox is kind of fun, I guess.

[Sho Nuff]

I think the Wii just might offer that something special I find lacking in a lot of HD games.

[huckleberry]

I think the Wii just might offer that something special I find lacking in a lot of HD games.

 

[bork]

I think the Wii just might offer that something special I find lacking in a lot of HD games.

Sho Nuff

[Van Cruncheon]

people can laugh at the idea that "fun" can be present in some games and not others, but it's clear that the profoundly brilliant engineers at nintendo know how to capture and quantify it and inject a bit of it into every piece of hardware and software they develop. "fun" is a hidden language; a numinous math understood only by those committed to creating joy rather than manufacturing to demographic specifications.

[cool breeze]

dat whimsy

[Akala]

people can laugh at the idea that "fun" can be present in some games and not others, but it's clear that the profoundly brilliant engineers at nintendo know how to capture and quantify it and inject a bit of it into every piece of hardware and software they develop. "fun" is a hidden language; a numinous math understood only by those committed to creating joy rather than manufacturing to demographic specifications.

if disney can have imagineers, surely nintendo can have a few fungineers!

[bork]

MIYAMOTO-SAMA

[Van Cruncheon]

miyamoto-sama stood before the assembled host of engineers, designers, artists, testers, and marketers.

each one, to a man, was kneeling, reverent.

it was aonuma-san who broke the silence. "give us your blessing, great lord," he said.

miyamoto-sama opened his third eye and gazed through it into the throng. "music is the voice of the host," he said in words-that-were-not-words. "let all men, be they hale or weak, quick of wit or slow of thought, dextrous or sluggardly, accomplished or mechanical, recieve the gift of music." with his hands, he pantomimed many instruments, and a seraphic accompaniment began to syncopate his gestures.

"yes," said aonuma-san, swaying. "we will bring to all men the gift of music."

miyamoto-sama

[Human Snorenado]

I'll take gameplay over graphics any day.

I'll take well reasoned arguments over false dichotomies any day.

You can't really be surprised tho, the man equates Wii Music to gameplay.

[bork]

THE HOLY EMPEROR MIYAMOTO-SAMA SHALL SMITE THE LOWLY FANBOY OF HIGH DEFINITION.

[Bebpo]

This thread got awesome fast

[Purple Filth]

I think the Wii just might offer that something special I find lacking in a lot of HD games.

amazing 

(Image removed from quote.)

THE HOLY EMPEROR MIYAMOTO-SAMA SHALL SMITE THE LOWLY FANBOY OF HIGH DEFINITION.

now this thread is getting weird.

[Third]

The majority of Wii-only owners think it's the best system available. I never understood that.
I was the biggest nfag during the 16-bit generation, and I'm still secretly a Nintendo fan. But I really couldn't call myself a gamer if I'd only own a Wii.
That's the issue with most nfags. They don't care, as long as they support Nintendo. Good thing I evolved.

[T-Short]

I bought my Wii when SMG hit, and have since then bought two more full price games (Wario Shake and NSMB Wii). I've also picked up some very low price bomba games from the bargain bins at various electronics stores based on internets recommendations, but haven't really gotten around to playing them. I also bought a Wiiware game (World of Goo) which I haven't played since finishing the demo. SMG is the only Wii game I've finished so far. I've played a good amount of Wario Shake, which I think is a pretty neat platformer, but I still stray away from it to play stuff on the 360 instead.

For me it was always going to be a backup console, a Nintendo vanity box to play the first party games and not much else. For me, in the last generation, the Gamecube got a lot more playtime compared to what I'm giving the Wii now. I played a bunch of really good games on the GC, and finished them, and also have quite a backlog of stuff that I never even started.

I saw some mentions of "worst machine ever", but uhh... the CD-i

[T-Short]

the Wii just hasn't lived up to the early promise. Where as the DS won me over with great games, the Wii has failed miserably to hold my attention outside of spurts

Wii Spurts! hehe. that's great

[Third]

Snes is still my favorite console of all time. Wii is the worst console I've ever owned, making it the worst console ever.
Nintendo really made a turnaround for me. I even liked the Gamecube. But the Wii is just a mess.
SMG, BoomBlox, NSMBwii, WiiSport Resort and Zack and Wiki are great games that everyone should play. Outside of that there isn't anything worth owning the console for imo.

[magus]

I didn't care much for the Gamecube either, nor the N64, so this is pretty much business as usual for me with Nintendo home consoles.  I was hoping for a return to the SNES glory days, but that obviously didn't happen.

I think a person would have a tough time coming up with 50 must-own games across all three of Nintendo's last consoles combined, and that's pretty fucking pathetic.

three? so n64 included? i would take up the challenge!
would listing multiple mario count as cheating? 

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[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I was a huge Nintard back in the day - I owned the Nintendo consoles and wouldn't even give a second thought to owning a non Nintendo game.  I was a huge N64fag and thought that anything on the PlayStation was a jaggy, unplayable piece of shit.

Fortunately, I saw one of the best consoles of all time, the Dreamcast, abandoned by Nintardism, and never looked back.

[EmCeeGrammar]

i was excited for a while when i hacked my JPN unit, but after about 2 days i was left bored again.

I just don't have any compelling reason to switch the thing on.

Guys need to be more informed.

[EmCeeGrammar]

how does a real wii fan list total pap and skip the two GREAT third-party exclusives: geometry wars galaxies and hotd overkill

That's kind of insulting to boom blox, duder.   Geometry wars galaxies isn't that cool since it almost requires a classicon, and I dunno, I bought the damn thing for waggle.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Why would you play that with waggle on the Wii and not on the PS3, 360 or PC?

WHY?

Seriously, dude?  My huge main gripe with any team sports game is simply that you are reliant on the AI putting your teammates where they  need to be.  In the playmaker series, you use the pointer to move folks where you want them to be, set up defensive zones, pass where you click, etc.  It's an astronomical improvement on soccer videogames that gets ignored every year because of some superficiall bullshit about it not being hd.  the online community is non-existent, which is the only legitimate complaint I have with the series.