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Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« on: January 07, 2010, 02:50:58 PM »
While I have sincere doubts that this discussion will not deteriorate into a fanboy pissing match orchestrated by the anti-Nintendo establishment here, I will nevertheless make an honest attempt to incite a serious and intelligent discussion.

With the recent announcement by both Capcom and Sega to possibly suspend game development of the hardcore variety for the Nintendo Wii, I have been studying the history behind the gradual decline of third-party support for Nintendo’s latest home console. Now, while some gamers might cite the turbulent and lopsided relationship between Nintendo and third parties, harking back to the days of the NES, as its explanation, I am more inclined to believe that the corporate world suffers from short memory and that history is just that…history.

I believe the reason why, in each of the last three generations, Nintendo cannot maintain steady third party support is because the Big N fails to set the proper tone for its console at launch.

With regard to Nintendo consoles, third parties generally follow Nintendo’s lead in terms of the makeup of their gaming software, specifically those at launch and it continues from there until the end of the console’s lifecycle. Wii Sports is Nintendo’s most successful title this generation, released at launch, and, as a result, third parties have opted to emulate its success by emulating the game itself.



The Nintendo 64 launched with the revolutionary Super Mario 64. Third parties in general prefer not to compete with Nintendo’s heavyweights on their own turf, and, considering Nintendo’s stubborn reluctance to evolve its software media at the time, it really did not give third parties many options: again, Nintendo setting the wrong tone for third parties at launch.



The Nintendo Gamecube was probably the Big N’s best attempt to set everything right for third parties at launch. They did not release a blockbuster legacy title at launch and the two games they did publish/develop (Luigi’s Mansion and Wave Race: Blue Storm) did not stray from traditional gaming roots. This granted third parties a great opportunity to set up shop on a system that was in need of an AAA title. Unfortunately, the Gamecube was going up against what-would-soon-be the best selling console of all time, and so third parties didn’t take advantage of this opportunity with much enthusiasm or passion.

For Nintendo’s next console (Wii 2?), Mother Brain needs to do the following things in order to give other developers a shot at making some serious money off Nintendo’s home console. Nintendo needs to do exactly what they with the Gamecube launch, and let third parties establish the identity of the console themselves, meaning no Mario title at launch or any official pack-in. Having established market dominance and mindshare this generation affords Nintendo the luxury of not having to do everything themselves the next go around.

I am interested in hearing what your ideas for Nintendo's next launch strategy should be.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 02:54:03 PM by Nintendosbooger »

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 02:55:37 PM »
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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 02:57:28 PM »
We prefer to 8====D~(_|_) asses round these parts

Actually, there's a whole thread in Real Talk dedicated to ass kissing, and munching. EB is all about the corn.

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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 02:57:41 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 03:00:05 PM »
Enough of this shit. And it's not just Booger.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 03:04:41 PM »
stop making threads.

Not happening. Maybe if you told your buddies here to not make cheesy spin-off threads based on my shit, it wouldn't seem that many.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 03:06:40 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 03:08:34 PM »
What's wrong with this thread? It doesn't seem to be troll bait like his others.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 03:09:05 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 03:09:15 PM »
I hate to spoil it for you, dude, but EB doesn't give a shit about Nintendo. This is something you should accept early on. Buy a 360, start playing PC games and gain 20 pounds.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 03:10:47 PM »
I hate to spoil it for you, dude, but EB doesn't give a shit about Nintendo. This is something you should accept early on. Buy a 360, start playing PC games and gain 20 pounds.

But we MUST care. Surely, if we don't like it, it is simply because we haven't been privy to the Good Word of its sales success all over the world!

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 03:12:47 PM »
I hate to spoil it for you, dude, but EB doesn't give a shit about Nintendo. This is something you should accept early on. Buy a 360, start playing PC games and gain 20 pounds.

But we MUST care. Surely, if we don't like it, it is simply because we haven't been privy to the Good Word of its sales success all over the world!

Has there ever been a thread with the letters NPD in the title on EB?

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 03:13:55 PM »
I hate to spoil it for you, dude, but EB doesn't give a shit about Nintendo. This is something you should accept early on. Buy a 360, start playing PC games and gain 20 pounds.

But we MUST care. Surely, if we don't like it, it is simply because we haven't been privy to the Good Word of its sales success all over the world!

Has there ever been a thread with the letters NPD in the title on EB?

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010, 03:13:57 PM »
And they are becoming longer with each month  :-\
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 03:19:35 PM by duckman2000 »

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 03:22:17 PM »
One every month, and they are becoming longer with each month  :-\


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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 03:24:10 PM »
One every month, and they are becoming longer with each month  :-\


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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 03:25:17 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 03:30:33 PM »
I hate to spoil it for you, dude, but EB doesn't give a shit about Nintendo. This is something you should accept early on. Buy a 360, start playing PC games and gain 20 pounds.

Sounds like a personal problem to me, there. This isn't a forum exclusive to XBox 360, PS3, and PC gamers, despite you having a strong desire for it to be so. If members can discuss video games from these formats, I'm within my right to discuss video games on Nintendo's, be it the Wii or the DS.

You people think you can dictate the type of discussion being laid out here on a regular basis, but I think that is what's exactly wrong with this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum, chasing away "unwanted" discussion from here and limiting the sort of topic variety that a small community such as this one demands if growth is to be expected.

I'll continue to post topics here based on my interest, be it Nintendo or whatever...until I have nothing else to discuss or I'm banned from not adhering to some unwritten rule. You don't like it? You can fuck off, because I'm not going anywhere. :)

PS: The pics and derailing don't bother me one bit, by the way, kids. It simply serves to confirm to the outside reader what happens when a bunch of jilted online manchildren don't have things their way.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 03:34:45 PM by Nintendosbooger »

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 03:35:06 PM »
leper crushed for posting that eye straining gif


i can be excused for such actions, since all these threads are straining my brain
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010, 03:35:12 PM »
this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum

This is hilarious.

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 03:41:13 PM »
I hate to spoil it for you, dude, but EB doesn't give a shit about Nintendo. This is something you should accept early on. Buy a 360, start playing PC games and gain 20 pounds.

Sounds like a personal problem to me, there. This isn't a forum exclusive to XBox 360, PS3, and PC gamers, despite you having a strong desire for it to be so. If members can discuss video games from these formats, I'm within my right to discuss video games on Nintendo's, be it the Wii or the DS.

You people think you can dictate the type of discussion being laid out here on a regular basis, but I think that is what's exactly wrong with this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum, chasing away "unwanted" discussion from here and limiting the sort of topic variety that a small community such as this one demands if growth is to be expected.

I'll continue to post topics here based on my interest, be it Nintendo or whatever...until I have nothing else to discuss or I'm banned from not adhering to some unwritten rule. You don't like it? You can fuck off, because I'm not going anywhere. :)

PS: The pics and derailing don't bother me one bit, by the way, kids. It simply serves to confirm to the outside reader what happens when a bunch of jilted online manchildren don't have things their way.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010, 03:43:30 PM »
this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum

This is hilarious.

I think he's mistaking inmates for "people who founded the forum."
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010, 03:46:15 PM »
this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum

This is hilarious.

I think he's mistaking inmates for "people who founded the forum."

Yeah, he keeps referencing and even pleading to these shadowy founders, who apparently had grand and benevolent things in mind when laying the foundation for this online enterprise.

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2010, 03:48:03 PM »
The outside readers are shaking their heads at us right now.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2010, 03:49:28 PM »
The outside readers are shaking their heads at us right now.

growth is to be expected.


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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2010, 03:49:51 PM »
The outside readers are shaking their heads at us right now.

> HE CARES WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2010, 03:53:54 PM »
this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum

This is hilarious.

I think he's mistaking inmates for "people who founded the forum."

Yeah, he keeps referencing and even pleading to these shadowy founders, who apparently had grand and benevolent things in mind when laying the foundation for this online enterprise.


Right. And they're footing the bill for the express purpose of hosting a small group of GAF-banned malcontents who get their panties twisted and revert to their troll form any time the N word is invoked. Yay! The future seems bright for the Bore!

Fuck you.

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2010, 03:55:12 PM »
this place and others like it that allow the fickle inmates to run the asylum

This is hilarious.

I think he's mistaking inmates for "people who founded the forum."

Yeah, he keeps referencing and even pleading to these shadowy founders, who apparently had grand and benevolent things in mind when laying the foundation for this online enterprise.


Right. And they're footing the bill for the express purpose of hosting a small group of GAF-banned malcontents who get their panties twisted and revert to their troll form any time the N word is invoked. Yay! The future seems bright for the Bore!

Fuck you.

Looks like somebody shit in your cereal.

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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 03:57:01 PM »
i'm not banned from gaf...  :tomato
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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 03:57:55 PM »
Right. And they're footing the bill for the express purpose of hosting a small group of GAF-banned malcontents who get their panties twisted and revert to their troll form any time the N word is invoked. Yay! The future seems bright for the Bore!

Fuck you.

I'm not banned from GAF.  :teehee

In any event, I think you've cleanly stolen the rights to whatever title JustinP once claimed. What a trophy!

Also, you should stop cussing so much, as this might upset some outside observers. Don't want to negatively interfere with the growth of the community!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 04:02:39 PM by duckman2000 »

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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 03:58:40 PM »
Looks like somebody shit in your cereal.

Actually it looks more like the same fucking goofball nerdlingers giving the guy shit.
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 03:59:40 PM »
The outside readers are shaking their heads at us right now.

> HE CARES WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK

fianceelaughing.jpg

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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 03:59:49 PM »
Looks like somebody shit in your cereal.

Actually it looks more like the same fucking goofball nerdlingers giving the guy shit.

You have to the admit, the bedlam is quite enjoyable.

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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2010, 04:05:22 PM »
Looks like somebody shit in your cereal.

Actually it looks more like the same fucking goofball nerdlingers giving the guy shit.

Hey, at least I'm not banned from participating in discussions on other boards, like booger here  :smug

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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM »
You have to the admit, the bedlam is quite enjoyable.

Gangbangs make me uncomfortable.
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2010, 04:25:36 PM »
And so does spam.
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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2010, 04:29:38 PM »
I'm about to post a pic of five dudes blowing six dudes
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2010, 04:31:20 PM »
You can if there are any big dudes involved. Keep your cool young dude uglies out of here
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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2010, 04:32:34 PM »
Demi, I already told you I was a fan of Kevin from Top Chef!  ???
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2010, 05:33:45 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2010, 06:02:36 PM »
best Nintendosbooger thread yet.
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2010, 06:07:40 PM »
im imagining shes saying "blah blah nintendo 2010 blah blah"

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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2010, 06:10:20 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2010, 08:54:54 PM »
Quote from: duckman2000
In any event, I think you've cleanly stolen the rights to whatever title JustinP once claimed. What a trophy!

Also, you should stop cussing so much, as this might upset some outside observers. Don't want to negatively interfere with the growth of the community!


Joke about it all you want, but the stats speak for themselves. You and your little bitch friends have probably been hazing and chasing away new members here with your little kindergarten antics for a while, which explains why this community's activity rate matches the PSPGo's relevance in video games.

Y'all can derail my threads and beg the admins to leper me all you want, but I'm going to keep doing what I do until there's a strong and consistent Nintendo presence on this board.

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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2010, 09:04:24 PM »
Fight the power!

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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2010, 09:19:16 PM »
I was a huge Nintendo fan until Nintendo started releasing shitty supported consoles. I'm still a Nintendo fan, but a very bitter one.

I'll always buy Nintendo platforms because I love Mario, Zelda, Metroid and most other Nintendo games.
Nintendo going forward was something I always hoped since the N64 days. And Wii is not going forward. Maybe for Nintendo's pocket$, but as a console it's very disappointing. So much potential wasted thanks to Nintendo.

What Nintendo needs to do with Wii 2(?) is get better 3rd party support. They can start by actually supporting 3rd party developers. Nintendo only seem to care about themselves. Even more so with the Wii now. Their games are selling well, so who cares about third parties? That's how Nintendo must be thinking.

MS and Sony get the most games because they support 3rd party developers. Nintendo should start doing it too.

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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2010, 09:28:20 PM »
The OP was actually interesting this time, I thought.  Didn't deserve all the massive trolling it's gotten, anyway.
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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2010, 09:32:22 PM »
The OP was actually interesting this time, I thought.  Didn't deserve all the massive trolling it's gotten, anyway.

You're right, it was actually a legitimate thread. Oh well.
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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2010, 09:33:08 PM »
Re-leper Borys

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« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2010, 09:42:21 PM »
Lemme see if I can put the thread back on track:

While I don't disagree with Booger's basic assessment, the problem is that Nintendo's fanbase expects the following from any new console release: A new Mario game and a new iteration of one of Nintendo's big IPs.  Whenever they don't get one, complaints inevitably follow, so I figure Nintendo feels forced to push out one of those titles.  In the case of Luigi's Mansion, that was definitely done as a stopgap title while Sunshine was being worked on.
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« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2010, 09:49:30 PM »
I know that Nintendo's different strategy helped them survive. If Wii was a traditional console, Nintendo would've lost big time this gen.

Nintendo can continue their successful path next gen and release 48693 WiiSports and WiiFit games, because those are the games that made the Wii huge.
All I want is better support and HD(<---VERY IMPORTANT)

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« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2010, 09:51:36 PM »
Nintendo can continue their successful path next gen and release 48693 WiiSports and WiiFit games, because those are the games that made the Wii huge.

I'd argue that the majority of people who are buying the Wii don't want big third party titles, evidenced by sales, and which is driving the forum dweller old-school Nintendo devotees insane.

I'd be frustrated too if I were no longer Nintendo's target demographic, but still loyal.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 09:55:52 PM by Mr. Gundam »
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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2010, 09:55:33 PM »
I know that Nintendo's different strategy helped them survive. If Wii was a traditional console, Nintendo would've lost big time this gen.

Nintendo can continue their successful path next gen and release 48693 WiiSports and WiiFit games, because those are the games that made the Wii huge.
All I want is better support and HD(<---VERY IMPORTANT)

I mean, is the latter really all that hard to imagine for them next generation?  Nintendo is historically behind the technological times, but let's face it, most people still don't use HD tvs.  They only jump into something when there's a large enough userbase.

Although when they do jump in, it's usually half-assed.  :-\
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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2010, 09:58:01 PM »
HD support is one thing, decent power is another. I wouldn't even be surprised to see a HD add-on for Wii. But I think the power thing is a thing of the past for Nintendo. Similarly, people holding out hope for decent online play is out of their minds.

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« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2010, 09:59:19 PM »
HD support is one thing, decent power is another. I wouldn't even be surprised to see a HD add-on for Wii. But I think the power thing is a thing of the past for Nintendo. Similarly, people holding out hope for decent online play is out of their minds.

Your average family that's going out to buy the Wii probably doesn't care about HD or online play. They just want a fun system to play with friends and their kids. And they'll get that.

There's a big discrepency between what the old-school Nintendo fans want and what the average consumer who is driving sales wants.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 10:03:48 PM by Mr. Gundam »
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« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2010, 10:04:36 PM »
Nintendo had the second most powerful console last gen and the most powerful overall in the one prior to that with the N64, so the Big N won't hesitate to go for horsepower next generation.

I don't think they'll completely play the same card next gen. They gradually lost marketshare as a result of executing the same gameplan during the course of 4 generations (NES -> GC). If anything, they'll do something completely different, software and hardware wise.

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Re: Nintendo's next-gen (Wii 2?) launch strategy
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2010, 10:05:11 PM »
Nintendo can continue their successful path next gen and release 48693 WiiSports and WiiFit games, because those are the games that made the Wii huge.

I'd argue that the majority of people who are buying the Wii don't want big third party titles, evidenced by sales, and which is driving the forum dweller old-school Nintendo devotees insane.

I personally want big sequels of 3rd party games to be released for the Ps3/X360. But that's mainly thanks to Wii's shitty hardware.  I want a sequel to be better than the previous game, not worse.
And a tacked on waggle won't help it. Graphics and sound to me are just as important a gamepay. And Ps3/X360 controls are still perfect imo.

But if Capcom made a new RE game for the Wii that controls like RE4 and has adjusted difficulty, I'm all for it. But please, leave RE6 to the Ps3/X360. (just an example, this goes for all big sequels)