Wii and DS outsell the NES and Gameboy, become Nintendo's best selling systems!

[Damian79]

The Ds is one of the greatest gaming platforms of all time, there's no question about it.

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I think you are the only one that disagrees with that statement.

[Bebpo]

I disagree.

DS is one of the best portables.  Maybe the best.  I dunno, GBA/PSP are pretty good too.
Compared to consoles though? 

[Green Shinobi]

That is nitpicking.

It's nitpicking to point out that Wii Play is a controller+demos?

[Raban]

I disagree.

DS is one of the best portables.  Maybe the best.  I dunno, GBA/PSP are pretty good too.
Compared to consoles though? 

Yeeeah. The DS is an excellent handheld, but compared to home consoles, it ranks under at least three I can name off the top of my head, without even thinking.

As much as I love my DS, most of the library is RPGs.

[drew]

the ds is the worst thing ive ever bought, hell even the pocket pikachu was a better investment, knowing how many steps you took while in school is more compelling than the entirety of the ds' library

[cool breeze]

I still think the DS idea and hardware kinda suck. 

Two small (ignore XL) low-res screens instead of one large one is just impractical.  Half the games try to use it as one large screen and fail because of the gap while the rest use it for stats or maps; in both cases, a single large screen would be be better.  For me the hardware has always been uncomfortable; between the sharp boxy shape and how unbalanced it is, it doesn't feel natural to hold like pretty much every other Nintendo handheld or the PSP.

While it's not required, there are still a bunch of choices developers make on the DS that are almost never good.  I'm talking about using the mic to blow into, poor touch screen controls, and trying to make a 3D game that isn't hideous.  That said, there are so many good games for it that most of my problems become irrelevant.

[Damian79]

It's nitpicking to point out that Wii Play is a controller+demos?

Yeah, no one stopped other companies to try and sell their game with a controller.

[Raban]

I still think the DS idea and hardware kinda suck. 

Two small (ignore XL) low-res screens instead of one large one is just impractical.  Half the games try to use it as one large screen and fail because of the gap while the rest use it for stats or maps; in both cases, a single large screen would be be better.  For me the hardware has always been uncomfortable; between the sharp boxy shape and how unbalanced it is, it doesn't feel natural to hold like pretty much every other Nintendo handheld or the PSP.

While it's not required, there are still a bunch of choices developers make on the DS that are almost never good.  I'm talking about using the mic to blow into, poor touch screen controls, and trying to make a 3D game that isn't hideous.  That said, there are so many good games for it that most of my problems become irrelevant.

I agree that the design of the DS is kind of lame, but you can't deny how well it's sold. It's a fresh and well-planned idea, but at the same time it's kind of stupid. I want a successor to the GameBoy line, but that will never happen.

Third pillar my ass.

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[bork]

I disagree.

DS is one of the best portables.  Maybe the best.  I dunno, GBA/PSP are pretty good too.
Compared to consoles though? 

I disagree as well.  I was a huge, huge Gameboy and Gameboy Advance fan (GBC was kinda "eh"), but the DS never quite grabbed me the same way.  I'm not big into RPGs, so that's probably a big reason for it.  I have enjoyed the Ace Attorney and Castlevania games, Contra 4, Meteos, Bleach DS 2nd, and Tetris DS, and that's really been about it for me.  In fact, with no new Castlevania or Ace Attorney games released in 2009, I didn't even touch my DS last year.

This gen's handheld wars have been all about the PSP for me.  So many awesome games, plus superior homebrew.  I have 53 PSP games versus 20 DS games in my collection.

[magus]

Captain Rainbow really isn't that good of a game and would be very difficult to localize.  You aren't missing much.

i'd play anything with skip name on it,i just love chibi robo that much

[The Fake Shemp]

Lyte edge is right, the GBA whooped the DS. PSP also has a better library than the DS. It's probably a great handheld if you like a weeaboo RPGs and ancient ports, though.

[archie4208]

DS annihilates every previous handheld.  Picross DS and (presumably) 3D Picross.

Edit:  And the GBA is incredibly overrated.  For all the flak the DS receives about remakes, you have to consider that the GBA's biggest feature was that it was a retirement home for old SNES games.  Drill Dozer is probably the best GBA game.  How I wish Game Freak could use their creative energies on something original instead of being a Pokemon sweatshop.

[The Fake Shemp]

The best years for the DS was its first three. It's been garbage ever since. The PSP has blown it out of the water.

And saying that it's better than the GBA

Give me a GBA micro over the DS any day of the week.

[The Fake Shemp]

I owned a DS - twice - and still have my original PSP model.

You won't find a bigger fanboy for the DS' early years, in fact you can probably dig up a few threads where MrAngryFace and I would rave about Mega Man ZX and the first two Castlevania games. We liked Clubhouse Games and Tetris and several other titles early in the system's life.

It's been downhill ever since. The last two years against the PSP is really unfair, because while the PSP receives less support, the support it did receive blew the DS out of the water.

Again, if you're a giant weeaboo, I'm sure the DS is "the greatest system ever", but if you have your testes firmly in place - probably not.

[EmCeeGrammar]

   I don't even care about the ds anymore, but the psp hasn't had anything noteworthy for damn, it seems likes years.  Kingdom hearts? Peace Walker? Lemme guess, Rock Band unplugged made the system relevant again! m i rite?

[The Fake Shemp]

MLB: The Show, superior version of GTA: Chinatown Wars, sequels to Patapon and LocoRoco, Motorstorm, Resistance: Retribution, LittleBigPlanet, decent Rock Band game, Soul Calibur, Tekken 6, Dissidia and Disgea 2 (if that's your thing), Monster Hunter, PixelJunk, etc.

Yeah, what an awful year for the PSP!

[The Fake Shemp]

Huh, when did I ever say the DS was better than the PSP the last two years? It hasn't been as good as the PSP since 2006/2007!

[archie4208]

I do have to admit the PSP has the best handheld rhythm games out there.  DJ Max Portable is great.

[The Fake Shemp]

DS fans

[The Fake Shemp]

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

When I owned a DS three times (from the 2004 launch to 2007), the only three games I liked on it were Super Mario 64 DS, Mario Kart DS, and Tetris DS.  The annual Metroidvanias that got pumped out were boring and stale.  As were the Ace Attorney games.  I do want to check out games like The World Ends With You.  I do not, however, want to play ass-ugly 3D remakes of Final Fantasy nor quick cash in SNES and early PS1 era ports.  I'm not a graphics whore but if you're going to update games to 3D, either do it right or don't do it at all.

[The Fake Shemp]

I was unaware I posted this dumb thread to begin with

[EmCeeGrammar]

MLB: The Show, superior version of GTA: Chinatown Wars, sequels to Patapon and LocoRoco, Motorstorm, Resistance: Retribution, LittleBigPlanet, decent Rock Band game, Soul Calibur, Tekken 6, Dissidia and Disgea 2 (if that's your thing), Monster Hunter, PixelJunk, etc.

Yeah, what an awful year for the PSP!

You submit baseball, a ds port, loco roco shit, resistance lol, soul calibur barebones edition, tekken lol, ps2 srpg port, and DID YOU REALLY LIST DISSIDIA IN EARNEST. Yeah, you're trolling.   I'll give lbp and patapon the benefit of the doubt though.

[The Fake Shemp]

EmCeeGrammar

[EmCeeGrammar]

 :'( Psp software  :'(
 :'( PSP  :'(

[The Fake Shemp]

Don't cry for the PSP. It's better for surfing the web than your Wii. What a joke you are.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, the fact that I can surf the web while taking a shit makes the PSP the obvious winner. Anyone that legitimately uses any of the consoles or handhelds to web browse is a tool. That's what PCs are for.

[EmCeeGrammar]

The wii is fine for light browsing.  Now that I actually have a pc, I can't say there is a whole lot I do with it that the wii couldn't do besides hulu and itunes.  Still mostly browsing when I'm bored.

edit: come to think of it, back when I had a psp I did some wifi leeching with it.  I don't think it supported youtube at all.  Could be a bad memory on my part though.

[Van Cruncheon]

what good games came out for the ds last year besides knights in the nightmare and etrian odyssey 2? if it wasn't for atlus, the ds would be a wasteland.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Rhythm heaven looked good.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Perhaps he is thinking of the Dark Spire.

[cool breeze]

DS vs GBA thing is is tough because of two reasons: I liked the hardware more (even the original GBA would be nice if it had a backlight) and it had a good original Zelda game on it.

Both are really good.  DS pretty much destroys the GBA with puzzle games and rpg.  GBA has better action and platformer games, but the DS isn't exactly bad with those games either.

If we're bringing PSP into this, it annihilates DS and GBA combined for racing games.  Mario Kart DS is the best Mario Kart, though.   Also, because I just remembered it, Duke Nukem GBA > any shooter on the DS.

I like PSP, GBA, and DS for different reasons.

[iconoclast]

Pokemon needs a long holiday more than just about any other franchise, in my opinion.  I'm with you on wishing Gamefreak got more chances to show their action game chops.

Pokemon doesn't need a vacation. It's similar to fighting games at this point - they just keep iterating on it and tweaking the balance for competitive play. Throw in some new Pokemon once in a while and a throwaway story for the kids and it's a perfect formula. They just need to work on their DS engine, as it's way too slow compared to the GBA games.

[EmCeeGrammar]

DS games I really enjoyed until I realised I was always playing the damn thing at home:

Kirby's Canvas Curse
Meteos
Castlevania Portrait of Ruin
Tony Hawks american Sk8land
Elite Beat Agents
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword
FFTA 2
Advance Wars Days of Ruin
Legend Of Zelda Phantom Hourglass
Planet Puzzle League
Trauma Center 2
Yoshi's Touch and Go



stuff that sounds good that I never got around to:
N+
Space Invaders Extreme


stuff that I like but I can't recommend:
New Super Mario Bros
Contact
Animal Crossing Wild World

[magus]

i hate pokemon
most succesfull franchise ever and they still don't even bother to put some animation on those damn sprite
for fucking shame nintendo,it's been the same shit for so long,i understand that it's hard to change the formula but at least make it quicker,give it a different look,improve the sprites,seriously you guys do bother doing stuff like this for crappy spinoff nobody buys SO WHY NOT THE FUCKING MAIN GAME???

[TripleA]

the ds is the worst thing ive ever bought, hell even the pocket pikachu was a better investment, knowing how many steps you took while in school is more compelling than the entirety of the ds' library

It's only the worst thing you've ever bought because you aren't used to buying great things, see bolded part.

[TripleA]

I wonder if the Wii will outsell the Ps1 or Ps2.

It's tracking ahead of both right now compared to a similar point in their lifespans, but its momentum has slowed a bit, or at least it had until that ridiculous December, so it's by no means a sure thing.

The Wii won't outsell the Ps2, but the Ds will do so very soon.

So not only will Nintendo have the best portable gaming platform ever made, they'll also have the highest selling videogame platform of all time.

[The Fake Shemp]

You're going senile again, prole; EOII was 2008.

More proof that the DS sucks. EmCeeGrammar, you'd be happy to know that the PSP also has superior versions of Space Invaders Extreme and N+.

Prole coined the term "gaming ghetto" just for the Nintendo DS. Never forget.

[tiesto]

You're going senile again, prole; EOII was 2008.

More proof that the DS sucks. EmCeeGrammar, you'd be happy to know that the PSP also has superior versions of Space Invaders Extreme and N+.

Prole coined the term "gaming ghetto" just for the Nintendo DS. Never forget.

I had a lot of people tell me that Space Invaders Extreme was better on DS actually. Better music, at the very least. I can't stand playing on the PSP though, just so uncomfortable to hold, hate the ghosting, and I hate how the shell gets so fucking greasy. Was hoping PSP Go actually was gonna be something decent, so I can play these PSP games I bought, but naah. I'll just stick with my DS. (which needs more 2D and less 3D games)

[The Fake Shemp]

DS version has better multiplayer and music, PSP looks better - therefore the PSP wins. Graphics > DS

[tiesto]

DS version has better multiplayer and music, PSP looks better - therefore the PSP wins. Graphics > DS

Meh, for me music is more important than graphics any day of the week. Not to mention, how would you even see the PSP graphics with all that ghosting going on 

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't because the PSP hardware hasn't really had ghosting problems in years.

[Nintendosbooger]

This is bound to be Nintendo's finest generation overall. Software wise, they've actually enhanced the quality of their IPs in every single way, and with the upcoming release of Zelda Wii, which is bound to be spectacular, I think it's safe to assume that, from a first party standpoint across both platforms, they've outdone themselves this gen. Easily the best developer this generation. Easily.

As far as the DS, it's legacy as one of the best gaming devices ever (if not the best) will soon be painted, whether a bunch of jilted and frustrated PSP owners like it or not. The DS's portfolio is undeniable and comparing it to that of the PSP is like comparing the Beatles catalog to fucking Owl City. "I'd like myself beliiiiiieeeeeveee" STFU!

[Raban]

I totally respect people preferring their handheld of choice, but saying the PSP has a superior library compared the the DS is flat-out wrong. This isn't GAF, and I'm not going to list-wars, the DS has a much more solid library, more reliable and user-friendly hardware (sans media functionality, unfortunately), and generally more support from big-name developers. I'm not saying in any way that the PSP is crap, it's an excellent system, and some of the games on there rock. Don't forget the ability to play PS1 games on there as well as some occasionally rad PSN games.

Regardless of all that, the DS still comes out the victor. Willco's just being a bitter fanboy.

[The Fake Shemp]

Now I'm a Sony fanboy?

You guys.

When ever you kids are ready to get out of the gaming ghetto, let us know and we'll recommend you some good games.

[AdmiralViscen]

Psp outdid ds last year and maybe the year before, but ds demolished it the 3 years. Before that. Gba also sucked compared to either.

[The Fake Shemp]

Stop typing on your Android smartphone, Viscen!

... This forum was pretty pro-DS its first several years. Then it began to suck (a lot). It's unfortunate. I think Prole and other people noted that it managed to have some fun games in spite of the lame touch screen gimmick. Almost all of its best games use traditional controls and barely use the dual screen functionality for anything worthwhile (oh look, a map! inventory! yay!). The DS wishes it had a widescreen and regular controls.

[AdmiralViscen]

Got me


Id rather post on the pre but it doesnt support page anchors

[The Fake Shemp]

Actually, I submit The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass as the point where the DS jumped the shark.

[magus]

i don't know,it's hard to have a counter argument to "2009 sucked for the ds" let's take a look at a list 
http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=ds&cat=0&year=2009&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=
this list is horrible

GTA - meh
Mario & Luigi 3 - meh
Might & magic Clash of heroes - actualy pretty good,should be higher than those two
Spirit tracks - meh
Layton 2 - not as good as the original
Peggle - everybody loves peggle but the tiny ds graphics leave a bit to be desired
Devil Survivor - meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
Dragon Quest V - good but still it's a remake of an old game
Pokemon Platinum - see my previous post
Rhytm Heaven - WHY IT'S SO FUCKING LOW,JOURNALIST ARE distinguished mentally-challenged!
Henry Hatsworth - meh
Fire Emblem - meh
Retro Game Challenge - actualy good
PS0 - meh
Knights in the nightmare - just no
Scribblenauts - worst game evah
Starfy - meh
Suikoden Tiekresis - an horrible entry to the awesome suikoden franchise
Kingdom hearts 358 - ultra crappy spinoff,feels like an insult when psp gets the one with the new bosses and the new world
Galactrix - haven't heard great thing about it,better played on a big screen
Trackmania DS - don't like racing game
Valkyrie Profile - don't like SRPG,don't like valkyrie profile,double meh
Mario & Sonic Olympic Winter - mehmehmehmehmehmehmehmeh
Nostalgia - i played it trough the end but it really was like the most generic rpg ever
Avalon Code - really disappointing game

the "miss" outnumber the "hit" by a lot,i think my most played DS game this year was the 2009 version of yu-gi-oh and i hope that my most played DS games of 2010 isn't going to be the 2010 version
 

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't think there is a single game you listed that I'd even want to play, outside of Chinatown Wars and Peggle - both of which have superior versions everywhere else.

You know it's a bad year when a dedicated portable gaming platform was outdone by the iPhone. Nintendo

[Nintendosbooger]

When ever you kids are ready to get out of the gaming ghetto, let us know and we'll recommend you some good games.

The handheld ghetto! I sort of chuckled when Phil first used that phrase. It's amusing now considering that if it were true, he wouldn't find himself stuck working for the third party equivalent of the ghetto.

[The Fake Shemp]

Who the fuck is Phil

[iconoclast]

Devil Survivor - meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh to you.

[Beezy]

I haven't touched my DS for the past year. :'(

The years before that were great though and I still haven't played everything that I want on it, so I won't be selling it like I did my Wii. It's not like anyone wants a DS fat anyway.

[The Fake Shemp]

Damn, Beezy. You are still rocking a phat? That is truly ghetto.

[Raban]

Lists should be a bannable offense. Argue without using them people.

Agreed. So stupid.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, I agree. No more lists. Looking at that awful DS lineup makes me nauseated.

[Nintendosbooger]

Who the fuck is Phil

Wow. You are wet behind the ears when it comes to this business, aren't you? Explains your shitty taste in games.

[Beezy]

Damn, Beezy. You are still rocking a phat? That is truly ghetto.

I don't see any reason to upgrade especially now since I'm not playing the thing. I wanted to when the Lite first came out, but I was broke and heard about everyone's hinge cracking. DSi selling for $170-180 has always been a joke to me.