Author Topic: So what's the over/under on BioShock 2 not being very good? (Read 28535 times)

Mupepe · « **Reply #120 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:01:06 AM »

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

This sounds incredible. I gotta nab it this Friday

Did they make a special edition with the Big Daddy figure again this time around? I missed the first one and I always wanted it.

dark1x · « **Reply #121 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:35:49 AM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 09, 2010, 11:01:06 AM

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

This sounds incredible. I gotta nab it this Friday

Did they make a special edition with the Big Daddy figure again this time around? I missed the first one and I always wanted it.

No, but the new special edition is MUCH nicer overall. Probably one of the nicest special editions I've ever seen. It's the size an old vinyl record (as it includes one) and ships in a hard case. It's about as thick as three DVD cases as well.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #122 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:36:49 AM »

Mupepe you can get a NECA made big daddy and other bioshock 2 figures. They arent metal but the paint jobs are top notch. This collectors edition is more about the art of the game and the time period.

I've gotta pick up my reserve today for my collectors edition. Last night Roxanne got lucky and got the only copy of bioshock 2 that wasn't a preorder and it ended up being a collectors edition. Just so happened a lot of 2k Marin were there to sign copies of the game.

I took pictures of both events and you can check them out here:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v252/bzchanboy/Bioshock%202%20Launch%20events/

demi · « **Reply #123 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:36:57 AM »

Toys R Us has some bioshock toys. I think if you buy it today between 10 - 2 you get the toys with your game plus $10 card. Rewards member only

Mupepe · « **Reply #124 on:** February 09, 2010, 01:03:00 PM »

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Thanks, guys!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #125 on:** February 09, 2010, 01:04:02 PM »

I would have bit on that TRU deal had I not had this gift card. Just picked up my copy. Got to finish this draft, then going to jump on and play some.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #126 on:** February 09, 2010, 02:02:41 PM »

Game is pretty good so far. Pretty much what I expected; solid title that is more of the same. Art direction is the bee's knees. If I had to pay sixty bones for it, I'd probably be disappointed though.

ManaByte · « **Reply #127 on:** February 09, 2010, 02:30:48 PM »

I love that early part underwater. VERY cool

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #128 on:** February 09, 2010, 02:59:59 PM »

lame. I live near a distribution center so I normally get my GameFly stuff on the first day but it didn't come. Guess I'll have to wait on Bioshock 2 until tomorrow.

ManaByte · « **Reply #129 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:04:01 PM »

Cleared the first two "areas" in SP, going to try the multi now.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #130 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:55:44 PM »

Multiplayer is surprisingly solid, but I don't think it'll have much in the way of legs.

ManaByte · « **Reply #131 on:** February 09, 2010, 05:52:24 PM »

Multi is really good. But you're right that it won't last long.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #132 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:01:57 PM »

I don't think they had illusions that its going to necessarily be the next modern warfare. The aim of sticking multi in most of these franchises is to extend the life of these products beyond simply being single player games. Even if a relatively small amount of the audience sticks around for the MP, that is more than would have stuck around if it was only a single player game. Having multiplayer and people playing it is essentially a word of mouth advertising thing.

Note: This comes from somene who is skeptical of the MP from the videos I've seen but has an open mind.

demi · « **Reply #133 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:39:55 PM »

I got to toy with the intro and some multi today, at a bro's house.

Multi is DECENT. They actually put some thought into it. I think the whole apartment thing is over doing it, but it helps make it stand out and be separate. I tried some matches. Big Daddy is so OP it makes my head SPIN. Holy CHRIST.

I only played SP up to where you get flooded. It didnt come today so I had to fap my halfmast out when I got home. Tomorrow is gonna be bioshock day~

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #134 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:47:05 PM »

Big Daddy needs to be seriously nerfed.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #135 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:53:26 PM »

How is it overpowered?

demi · « **Reply #136 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:54:20 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on February 09, 2010, 06:53:26 PM

How is it overpowered?

You die in 2-3 hits, and your attacks do chip damage. So it's basically everyone attacking the Big Daddy while he racks up easy kills

pilonv1 · « **Reply #137 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:58:19 PM »

amazing

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #138 on:** February 09, 2010, 09:09:55 PM »

Might give this a rent this weekend. Very surprised the multiplayer turned out alright.

Bebpo · « **Reply #139 on:** February 09, 2010, 10:59:42 PM »

Played the first hour or so on the PC version. Seems alright. Not bad, but it's lacking anything to keep you motivated to move on. The story seems a lot less interesting as do the locations so far.

The game runs way better than the first one, but looks worse :| I need to figure out how to force some AA.

Akala · « **Reply #140 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:03:51 PM »

not too bad so far, although I'm not really digging the story as of yet.

being back in rapture is cool though! as it was starting, I realized I haven't played the original bioshock since the first week it came out...

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #141 on:** February 10, 2010, 12:59:17 AM »

This game picked up steam once I got to Ryan Amusements, but it's still not as compelling as the original. The story is not as good, and the mystique of Rapture has all but eroded. Whereas the original felt like a pretty well-paced story that was rather organic until the lame boss, this go around just seems forced and contrived from the start.

I think the art direction is superior to the original, though. But - my god! - what hideous textures. And I'm usually the last person to gripe about that.

I'd highly recommend it once it goes on sale if you really liked the original, but unless it becomes absolutely amazing from here on out, I'd have difficulty recommending it to someone at full price.

Bebpo · « **Reply #142 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:36:04 AM »

Yeah, Ryan Amusements (where I'm at now) is neat looking. I'm actually growing more ok with the graphics because even on my middle-ground video card I haven't seen a drop from 60fps yet at 1080p with everything maxed. Can't say that about almost any other "new" game. Even the original didn't run this smooth for me.

cool breeze · « **Reply #143 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:49:46 AM »

I'm a level or two away from Ryan Amusements. So far it's pretty alright. It's not a bad game or anything, it's just missing a lot of that mystique that Bioshock 1 had, and there are some bad choices for the gameplay. Combat is better, but not really great. Hacking is better, but not really great. It's a lot of fixes to the problems of Bioshock 1 while missing out on a lot of the charm. It kinda balances out, at least so far.

The thing I already hate the most is the Little Sister cycle. In Bioshock 1 it was: defeat Big Daddy, make choice. In Bioshock 2 it's: defeat Big Daddy, two brief escort/defend the sister missions (like the end of Bioshock 1), find one of those holes in the wall to place girl, occasionally fight a Big Sister. The Big Sister thing could have actually been cool if they didn't ruin the entire thrill of being hunted. It isn't hyperbole when I say they have onscreen messages that tell you she might attack, she's about to attack, start preparing for her attack, she's a bit closer to attacking, she is literally in your ass right now. It would have been cool if you only had audio or visual cues, then BAM, right in your face.

And in general the game feels a lot more linear than Bioshock 1 did. I don't mind that too much.

I'll probably check out multiplayer whenever I'm done with single player. Anyone else get this on PC? if we wanted to play multiplayer, it's all through Xbox Live, right?

Bebpo · « **Reply #144 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:54:12 AM »

the on-screen help things are ridiculous. You can turn them off right? It always says "PRESS M FOR HINTS ON MAP!"

How is the combat better btw? So far I'm finding that the combat sucks like Bio1 and in fact maybe it's worse because in Bio1 you got the shotgun in the first 90 mins and then at least you could 1 hit ko most enemies in firefights. Here the rivet gun sucks and the machine gun sucks and I'm really just relying on shock and drill but vs. a bunch of people with guns I take a lot of damage. I'm burning through first aid kits, which I wasn't in the original.

cool breeze · « **Reply #145 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:00:51 AM »

because in the first game the wrench was the best weapon but also sucked ass because it took time to kill enemies. The drill is the wrench on cocaine. Two hits to kill scrub enemies, and you can take down big daddies, super splices, and big sisters like they're nothing. This is not even using fuel attacks like the lunge or GIGA DRILL BREAK!

And so far there are no parts to build ammo, so the money you take can be used on first aid packs. Combine that with the free first aid packs for blue hacking a medic station and there is no shortage of them.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #146 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:03:33 AM »

As a shooter, BioShock 2 is unquestionably better than the original.

iconoclast · « **Reply #147 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:50:45 AM »

Yeah the combat is definitely better, but this rivet gun seems like a downgrade from the pistol. The reticule on the rivet gun is massive and it seems kinda inaccurate, unless the first shot always hits in the center and I just haven't noticed or something. It sucks because I just rescued my first little sister and I'm hurting for ammo, so I have to rely on one headshot to kill enemies. Maybe I should stop being stingy and actually buy some ammo from the vending machines...

Anyway, I'm really liking this so far. Just don't look too closely at some of those textures

Oh, and I'm so glad this song made its return.

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pilonv1 · « **Reply #148 on:** February 10, 2010, 05:09:48 AM »

Agreed with bebpo here, the shooting so far I'm finding terrible. Granted I'm only an hour in but it's not looking great so far.

Looks amazing on PC though

dark1x · « **Reply #149 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:31:05 AM »

I'm still disappointed that the game doesn't have a more desolate and abandoned appearance. Everything seems just as well lit as the original game to the point where it doesn't really feel as if much time has passed. With Jordon Thomas at the helm, I really expected a lot more in this area.

Also, it's a shame they didn't move up to full on Unreal Engine 3 as that may have solved some of the texture budget issues while allowing them to create larger, more complex maps that are actually connected using streaming.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #150 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:52:05 AM »

files extracted. will be playing this when i get home today

GilloD · « **Reply #151 on:** February 10, 2010, 08:44:05 AM »

Finished Pauper's Drop. Pretty cool area, nice variety of mini-locales, although the Hotel was almost exactly like the last game's Hotel. What was the point? New camera is cool. Weapons start to become more normal- Also, the game really changes here- I now have full ammo for every weapon almost all the time. I have lik $700 saved up for nothing. ENough ADAM to buy whatever and then some. I wish it felt a little more like the start where I really had to be careful. THe next area is neat and the "villain" here is kind of kooky and cool, but the area itself feels almost identical to Pauper's Drop. Also, endless amounts of machine gun ammo.

Sort of excited to see where the story goes just because I don't see what the story is yet.

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I guess the fall of Rapture started with a bank run!

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The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #152 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:41:35 AM »

Look, BioShock 2 has its fair share of design flaws, but being a terrible shooter isn't one of them. 2K Marin has obviously fixed a lot of the problems with the original, and the sequel is much more action-oriented as a result. I wouldn't call it the most responsive and rewarding shooter out there, but it's competent to say the least and absorbing at its best.

demi · « **Reply #153 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:44:17 AM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 10, 2010, 01:54:12 AM

the on-screen help things are ridiculous. You can turn them off right? It always says "PRESS M FOR HINTS ON MAP!"

Turn off Adaptive Training...

Why are you guys complaining about guns btw. You could beat BioShock 1 using Ice Wrench. On Hard

Bebpo · « **Reply #154 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:52:17 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 10:41:35 AM

Look, BioShock 2 has its fair share of design flaws, but being a terrible shooter isn't one of them. 2K Marin has obviously fixed a lot of the problems with the original, and the sequel is much more action-oriented as a result. I wouldn't call it the most responsive and rewarding shooter out there, but it's competent to say the least and absorbing at its best.

I think that's the issue. The combat has never been the main draw to the series, so having more if it just brings out how it's not that great of a shooter.

I'm sure it'll get better when I get more plasmas, but early on the guns suck and your drill isn't much stronger than a wrench (and feels slower).

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #155 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:56:52 AM »

The sequel is stronger for it, and relies on a healthy combination of weapons and plasmids to take down foes or survive escort missions. The mechanics are sound. I think because it may not be the greatest shooter ever doesn't mean it's a bad shooter.

iconoclast · « **Reply #156 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:08:22 AM »

Played some multiplayer... it's fairly competent. Having turrets on maps is distinguished mentally-challenged and the Big Daddy suit is untouchable. I just played a team death match and got a hold of the big daddy suit and got 10 kills in a row until my game froze. Way over powered.

I can't even find a game any more so back to single player for me.

Quote from: demi on February 10, 2010, 10:44:17 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on February 10, 2010, 01:54:12 AM
the on-screen help things are ridiculous. You can turn them off right? It always says "PRESS M FOR HINTS ON MAP!"

Turn off Adaptive Training...

Why are you guys complaining about guns btw. You could beat BioShock 1 using Ice Wrench. On Hard

There is no wrench in BS2 (so far), only a drill which can run out of fuel pretty quickly (without upgrades at least). And the regular melee does shit for damage. Better off just staying behind cover from a distance and taking them out one at a time.

cool breeze · « **Reply #157 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:34:26 AM »

Drill does tons of regular damage. I already got the tonic that increases the drill melee attack power and with the drill upgrade, it does 75% damage in one hit, more if the enemy is shocked, instakill if you do a dash attack. I also got that freeze drill already (doesn't freeze as often as the wrench did) and a fire defense that is like the electric one from BS1 (burns enemies that attack me)

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #158 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:47:32 AM »

The more I play, the more I think this feels more like an expansion pack than a true sequel.

demi · « **Reply #159 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:48:25 AM »

Just from the intro I got "expansion pack" vibes from it too. Nobody here should really be surprised by how this turned out.

Mupepe · « **Reply #160 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:52:45 AM »

Okay, so i haven't really been paying attention to development on this at all...

but for the story, this is after the first one? I was kinda hoping it would be before so we could see Rapture as more alive.

A true Bioshock RPG with an alive and kicking Rapture full of crazy assholes with crazy shit would be fucking incredible. I want to see it go to hell in a handbasket.

cool breeze · « **Reply #161 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:53:18 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 11:47:32 AM

The more I play, the more I think this feels more like an expansion pack than a true sequel.

yes

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 10, 2010, 11:52:45 AM

Okay, so i haven't really been paying attention to development on this at all...

but for the story, this is after the first one? I was kinda hoping it would be before so we could see Rapture as more alive.

A true Bioshock RPG with an alive and kicking Rapture full of crazy assholes with crazy shit would be fucking incredible. I want to see it go to hell in a handbasket.

yeah, it's after the first game. So far it's about Andrew Ryan's rival taking over the events of the last game. From all the message and cutscenes, she seems like a bigger threat to Ryan, yet she was never even heard of in the first game. It's funny because there are a bunch of messages around with her in debates with Ryan, and picture with them together and all that. I guess he was just out of frame before.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #162 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:54:20 AM »

Yeah, BioShock 2 takes place after the original. It is like a really good expansion pack, and I think had it been released at that price - we'd be saying it was the greatest expansion pack ever.

It doesn't help that it came out after Mass Effect 2, which is the best game to feature space cowboys punching reporters.

demi · « **Reply #163 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:55:53 AM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 10, 2010, 11:52:45 AM

Okay, so i haven't really been paying attention to development on this at all...

but for the story, this is after the first one? I was kinda hoping it would be before so we could see Rapture as more alive.

A true Bioshock RPG with an alive and kicking Rapture full of crazy assholes with crazy shit would be fucking incredible. I want to see it go to hell in a handbasket.

The intro sequence takes place before BioShock, the multiplayer takes place before BioShock (at least it seems like it), but the actual SP is after.

demi · « **Reply #164 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:07:00 PM »

BioShokku is here. EVILBORE GAME NIGHT who's down

iconoclast · « **Reply #165 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:48:56 PM »

Finished up the first section of Siren Alley and I'd say it's pretty awesome so far. I'm not liking any of the characters as much as the Bioshock 1 cast, but it's still pretty great. Sinclair is definitely no Atlas...

The drill becomes way more useful once you get the lunge too. I think I'm going to start upgrading that next now that my rivet gun and shotgun are maxed out. I'm loaded with tons of ammo and money now, but the gathering and big daddy fights do a pretty good job of draining that. I like the gathering sections - they've all been pretty strategically designed so far.

TripleA · « **Reply #166 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:22:41 PM »

My impressions so far (2-3 hours in, PC version)

- Meh. It's not bad but at the same time it's not very good. I agree with others, the story just feels very side quest-ish. I just don't care about what's happening in Bioshock 2.

- I absolutely hate the fact that you're this big guy with all this armor and yet 1 bullet shot almost halves your entire health bar. I hate it.

- Why don't they mute the audio logs (that you activate) when Sophia Lamb starts talking through the loud speaker? It seems like a dumb decision 'cause you end up having all this audio overlapping each other.

- I really hope it picks up soon, because to be quite frank the game just feels very been-there-done-that

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #167 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:25:31 PM »

fucking gamefly

demi · « **Reply #168 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:26:16 PM »

I should also mention that they sent me Dante yesterday immediately after getting Erect back. Gamefly

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #169 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:27:10 PM »

fucking gamefly

demi · « **Reply #170 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:27:47 PM »

AND I got $20 from one of my referals

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #171 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:28:38 PM »

phu king game fry

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #172 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:28:51 PM »

Mine came in today on the GameFly.

I'll dig into for a few hours now.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #173 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:57:11 PM »

Nice. They kept the v-sync toggle option for the console version. I appreciate that.

demi · « **Reply #174 on:** February 10, 2010, 05:12:28 PM »

Now that's service

pilonv1 · « **Reply #175 on:** February 10, 2010, 05:52:47 PM »

Quote from: TripleA on February 10, 2010, 03:22:41 PM

- I absolutely hate the fact that you're this big guy with all this armor and yet 1 bullet shot almost halves your entire health bar. I hate it.

It's funny because there's a quote from the russian woman at the start how it says you're virtually indestructable (or words to that effect) when you get sent underwater the first time. If that's the case how come I go down like a house of cards at the first sign of any enemies?

demi · « **Reply #176 on:** February 10, 2010, 05:56:26 PM »

This game is cake on Hard.

One rivet to the dome - instant kill.

Why bother going gung-ho, take your time and you can kill every enemy without worry.

maxy · « **Reply #177 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:14:45 PM »

Again

GilloD · « **Reply #178 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:05:03 PM »

So, wait. Story-wise:

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Bioshock 1- Rapture has already been in shambles for awhile. You off Ryan. No idea why it fell apart aside from Ryan being a madman. Bioshock 2- We find out that the cause of the fall was Ryan/Lamb split and and an economic downturn after some violence from Lamb's followers. So... What, exactly, was left for Lamb to TAKE OVER? She just commanded an army of madmen for 10 years? I don't get it

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Bildi · « **Reply #179 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:35:45 PM »

Quote from: a slime appears on February 10, 2010, 06:03:46 PM

Hahaha

These guys really don't have any original ideas.

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Author Topic: So what's the over/under on BioShock 2 not being very good? (Read 28535 times)