Author Topic: So what's the over/under on BioShock 2 not being very good? (Read 28300 times)

pilonv1 · « **Reply #360 on:** February 24, 2010, 06:29:03 AM »

God Dionysus Park sucked.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #361 on:** February 24, 2010, 11:30:59 AM »

I'm really having a problem with the game's visual clutter. It's hard for me to see enemies and get a good "read" on the environment because the art direction is like LET'S PUT AS MANY COLORED LIGHTS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN INTO EVERY ROOM

dark1x · « **Reply #362 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:03:53 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 22, 2010, 05:33:33 PM

I want to see Rapture when it wasn't a dilapidated hellhole! I want to watch it fall apart around me! That would be the shit. They better make another Bioshock and it better be a fucking prequel of some sort.

I want to see it as a dilapidated hellhole, personally, and feel that they missed that opportunity with this game. It's much too bright and similar to the original game. It certainly doesn't feel like a ruined city by any means.

Robo · « **Reply #363 on:** February 24, 2010, 02:07:42 PM »

Is this game $20 yet?

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #364 on:** February 24, 2010, 03:14:17 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on February 24, 2010, 11:30:59 AM

I'm really having a problem with the game's visual clutter. It's hard for me to see enemies and get a good "read" on the environment because the art direction is like LET'S PUT AS MANY COLORED LIGHTS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN INTO EVERY ROOM

the ridiculously zoomed FOV contributes to this, IMO. Makes everything feel bigger and more blurred together.

can't believe they still haven't patched that up on the PC.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #365 on:** February 24, 2010, 05:54:31 PM »

I don't even bother looking for enemies anymore - if I can't hear them I assume the room is empty.

Also what's with the fucking splicers that get spawned with a Big Sister? I come out from my vita chamber with nothing and all of a sudden there's 2 splicers and a Big Sister trying to fuck my ass. I swear it took me 6-7 spawns to finish Dionysus Park

Bebpo · « **Reply #366 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:23:37 PM »

Quote from: Fragamemnon on February 24, 2010, 03:14:17 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on February 24, 2010, 11:30:59 AM
I'm really having a problem with the game's visual clutter. It's hard for me to see enemies and get a good "read" on the environment because the art direction is like LET'S PUT AS MANY COLORED LIGHTS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN INTO EVERY ROOM

the ridiculously zoomed FOV contributes to this, IMO. Makes everything feel bigger and more blurred together.

can't believe they still haven't patched that up on the PC.

I think this is good tbh. The feeling is supposed to be you on the edge, and not having a good view makes it hard to sit back and managing things calmy. When enemies appear it usually surprises you and there is much chaos.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #367 on:** February 26, 2010, 08:22:19 PM »

I think I missed a little sister, it's the first one in Fontain Futuristics, I shot the Big Daddy just as he was putting her into the wall. They never respawned either. Fuck this game.

Bebpo · « **Reply #368 on:** February 26, 2010, 08:36:58 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on February 26, 2010, 08:22:19 PM

I think I missed a little sister, it's the first one in Fontain Futuristics, I shot the Big Daddy just as he was putting her into the wall. They never respawned either. Fuck this game.

The Big Daddies respawn. Maybe she will too?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #369 on:** February 26, 2010, 08:49:24 PM »

But I've moved past the that section of the level, I'm collecting the Adam Flowers now and she's in the previous part.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #370 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:03:37 PM »

If I'm chasing the guy with the key to the boat, how far from the end am I?

Bebpo · « **Reply #371 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:31:48 PM »

Maybe an hour away?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #372 on:** February 27, 2010, 08:11:28 PM »

Awesome, should have this done today. Thanks.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #373 on:** February 28, 2010, 06:15:13 PM »

OK so I finished it and a few things I wanted to mention, mainly story stuff.

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- Glad I wasn't the only one who completely missed when Tennanbaum just disappeared and was replaced by Sinclair
- When does the stuff with Sinclair being mind controlled into a Big Daddy happen? I really can't remember it happening. Shows how intriguing the story was for me I guess. I need to find a plot synopsis broken down by chapter.
- I got the "good" ending, but was totally unsatisfied about how it happened and that Lamb was saved.
- The Little Sister level was awesome as a change of pace
- What ended up happening to Meltzer the journalist? I must have missed an audio log for him somewhere.

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Also I didn't get the audio log achievement. I have no idea how I was scouring every level for them.

Whilst I liked the spear gun, I found that there was never really any use for it because as soon as I'd be in range to use it they'd see me.

Anyway good game, worth the $30 I paid on steam but I'd be outraged if I paid $60 for it.

Bebpo · « **Reply #374 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:12:55 PM »

-What, what was the Tennabaum stuff? I thought she was in the game once at the start and then not part of the story any further. I must have missed how she connected to the plot.
-I think the Sinclair thing happened right at the very end there while you were occupied with other stuff. I thought it was kind of sudden and was not happy that there was no way to save him.
-I thought the Lamb being saved thing was ok. I mean there are ending branches where she isn't, but in the very good ending the game is really about family at the end of the day and even though she was a horrible person she was family. Forgiveness is an essential element of humanity and showed that at the end of the day Elanor isn't driven by revenge and is pure hearted. I thought Elanor's story was sweet, she really felt like a daughter figure that you could be proud of by the end.
-The only weapons I used were the drill, the standard gun and the mini-gun. Shotgun sucked, Speargun was too weird, rocket launcher was unnecessary.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #375 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:39:59 PM »

Re: Tennanbaum, just reading the Bioshock 2 page on wikipedia, turns out Sinclair is her assistant or something.

I'm still confused by this Sinclair turning into a Big Daddy bit.

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Lamb, upon seeing her daughter defy her, plans to set off bombs that will kill them all. During their escape, Delta is forced to kill Sinclair, who had been captured by Lamb and transformed into a Big Daddy.

I'm guessing that he was just one random Big Daddy I killed during that end sequence. All those enemies were a blur to me, no wonder I didn't notice it.

I ended up using the machine gun and rocket launcher the most. The heat seeking missles made the difficulty negligible at the end.

demi · « **Reply #376 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:40:52 PM »

Dude, dont think too hard. The game obviously went through some cuts in story, such as Tenenbaum.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #377 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:56:18 PM »

I know, I'm trying to hold it to the same heights as the original and it's just failing everywhere

At least it was only $30

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #378 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:57:15 PM »

yeah, my mom once kidnapped a bunch of little girls from the neighborhood, used and killed everyone around her, then tried to kill me and destroyed the neighborhood when she couldn't, but i forgave her

i can totally relate, it's all about family and forgiveness

Bebpo · « **Reply #379 on:** February 28, 2010, 09:04:05 PM »

Eh, I'd rather that then see a kind girl kill her mom face to face. I thought Elanor was a juxtaposition of the decrypt sick state of Rapture. She was the female jesus and the ending gelled with that.

Quote from: pilonv1 on February 28, 2010, 07:39:59 PM

Re: Tennanbaum, just reading the Bioshock 2 page on wikipedia, turns out Sinclair is her assistant or something.

I'm still confused by this Sinclair turning into a Big Daddy bit.

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Lamb, upon seeing her daughter defy her, plans to set off bombs that will kill them all. During their escape, Delta is forced to kill Sinclair, who had been captured by Lamb and transformed into a Big Daddy.

I'm guessing that he was just one random Big Daddy I killed during that end sequence. All those enemies were a blur to me, no wonder I didn't notice it.

I ended up using the machine gun and rocket launcher the most. The heat seeking missles made the difficulty negligible at the end.

Sinclair was the big daddy you had to kill to get the key in the prison part at the end. He locks himself the control room and you either have to find the password or find a hole in the wall to activate a bot and chase him out into the open.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #380 on:** February 28, 2010, 09:17:47 PM »

I think I activated the bot, chased him out and Elanor took care of him.

Jansen · « **Reply #381 on:** February 28, 2010, 09:19:07 PM »

i would just like to be able to play the fucking game without it randomly crashing on me :'(

Bebpo · « **Reply #382 on:** February 28, 2010, 09:23:52 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on February 28, 2010, 09:17:47 PM

I think I activated the bot, chased him out and Elanor took care of him.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened with me.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #383 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:49:38 PM »

No wonder I didnt see him.

Poor Sinclair

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #384 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:21:49 PM »

Finally got back to this. Almost finished.

The only real special part of 2 is the Little Sister sequence. That was seriously fucking amazing.

Everything else feels like a shitty mission pack done by different people who don't care or "get it." Ugh. It also feels a lot shorter than the first game, but maybe that's because the pacing seems wonkier (can't return to previous mission areas).

Kestastrophe · « **Reply #385 on:** April 29, 2010, 09:18:16 PM »

How is the PC version of this? Amazon is running a decent deal, but I read that the DRM has securom and requires online connection in order to save. Has this stuff been patched out?

Bebpo · « **Reply #386 on:** April 29, 2010, 09:24:22 PM »

Quote from: Kestastrophe on April 29, 2010, 09:18:16 PM

How is the PC version of this? Amazon is running a decent deal, but I read that the DRM has securom and requires online connection in order to save. Has this stuff been patched out?

I have no idea about that stuff but the PC version runs fairly well. I was getting 60fps/1080p with no AA on my 9800GTX+
If you've played Bio1 on PC the performance is relatively around the same because the graphics are about the same.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #387 on:** October 22, 2010, 11:55:10 PM »

Hey chumpasauruses, the Minerva's Den DLC is out and it is REALLY REALLY GOOD. Like, way the fuck better than Bioshock 2 good. The story has none of the Bioshock 2 little sister goofiness, the environments and levels seem better laid out, and it reminds me of the first game, which is a good thing after the stinkpot that was Bio 2. Also it is long as fuck. It's all set in the Rapture computer core which means there are punchcards and Alan Turing references and other good nerd shit. Haven't finished it yet but it is EASILY worth 800 moon points.

cool breeze · « **Reply #388 on:** October 23, 2010, 12:07:03 AM »

I was planning on getting it until they announced it won't be coming to PC

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Robo · « **Reply #389 on:** October 23, 2010, 12:09:34 AM »

Figures it would be good. I had to get rid of BioShock 2; felt wrong having that garbage in such close proximity to my other games.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #390 on:** October 23, 2010, 12:44:18 PM »

The thing is, the game is totally self-contained. They could have done a Case Zero-style thing by making it all inclusive so you could buy it even if you hadn't wasted money on Bioshock 2.

chronovore · « **Reply #391 on:** October 23, 2010, 12:57:18 PM »

Maybe I can pick it up all together in some kind of "Game of the Whoops Edition"?

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #392 on:** October 23, 2010, 05:22:37 PM »

I just finished it. HOLY SHIT. Fucking masterful, and the perfect ending to the Rapture story. I don't know why Bioshock 2 was so shitty when this was so, so good. God damn.

demi · « **Reply #393 on:** October 23, 2010, 05:23:04 PM »

How is it the end of the Rapture story. Rapture exploded in BioShock 2. lol

iconoclast · « **Reply #394 on:** October 23, 2010, 06:22:50 PM »

Bioshock 2 is good. The gameplay is better than the original in every way. The story and characters and writing are weaker for sure, but in the end that is always the least important part of a game. So it doesn't bother me much.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #395 on:** October 23, 2010, 07:13:50 PM »

Quote from: demi on October 23, 2010, 05:23:04 PM

How is it the end of the Rapture story. Rapture exploded in BioShock 2. lol

I thought it was just the prison that exploded. I wasn't really paying attention because by that time, I treated it like a bad fan-made expansion pack, like if they made a Half-Life 2 expansion where Gordon winds up riding a motorcycle and does jumps over headcrab pits

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #396 on:** October 23, 2010, 11:58:04 PM »

Bioshock 2 $20 bucks at Gamestop.

http://www.gamestop.com/weeklyad

pilonv1 · « **Reply #397 on:** October 24, 2010, 12:48:32 AM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on October 23, 2010, 07:13:50 PM

a Half-Life 2 expansion where Gordon winds up riding a motorcycle and does jumps over headcrab pits

That sounds awesome

chronovore · « **Reply #398 on:** October 25, 2010, 10:51:27 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on October 24, 2010, 12:48:32 AM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on October 23, 2010, 07:13:50 PM
a Half-Life 2 expansion where Gordon winds up riding a motorcycle and does jumps over headcrab pits

That sounds awesome

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