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« Reply #33543 on: January 30, 2024, 08:13:54 AM »

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« Reply #33544 on: January 30, 2024, 09:38:04 AM »


This one's likely a big pass for me, especially with the Asus India president saying an Ally successor is probably coming this year.  But I'm happy with the Legion Go and would prefer to stick with that until its successor comes out.  However if a significantly more powerful handheld drops (won't be the Claw), I'll probably get suckered in.  I just don't expect that until at least next year at the earliest.
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« Reply #33547 on: January 31, 2024, 01:35:58 PM »

tl;dw.  Is this a part of the Ship of Harkinian launcher, or a separate stand alone?

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« Reply #33548 on: January 31, 2024, 01:43:36 PM »
it's a romhack.

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« Reply #33551 on: January 31, 2024, 06:49:01 PM »
So as expected.

Kojima dialed the batshit insanity up to 11.

SH2 remake looks like absolute trash.

No one has informed Team Ninja that the PS5 came out three years ago.

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« Reply #33552 on: January 31, 2024, 09:32:04 PM »
And Kojima locked in to make a Not Metal Gear, but will be a Metal Gear game.

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« Reply #33553 on: February 01, 2024, 05:02:15 AM »
That 30 seconds of the Joker fighting a baby robot samurai with a lightning guitar axe was cool.

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« Reply #33556 on: February 01, 2024, 08:42:21 PM »
Those Death Stranding 2 videos made me so happy I only wasted 4 hours in the first one.

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« Reply #33557 on: February 02, 2024, 10:37:21 AM »

Hey dog I heard you like them nintendo doohickeys.

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« Reply #33558 on: February 03, 2024, 06:59:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1753901202905907278

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« Reply #33560 on: February 04, 2024, 06:17:40 PM »
Feed me all those Xbox Exclusives on PS5, Daddy Phil


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« Reply #33561 on: February 04, 2024, 07:13:35 PM »
I bet that's why Jim Ryan felt safe to retire.
He got the order for PS5 devkits from Microsoft and he knew it was Joever.

The Microsoft corpo dummies think they can just announce some PS5 games and their hardcore fanbase won't go apeshit lmao.
It's gonna be busy on Ebay soon

12 months later they wonder, why are all these third party games skipping Xbox and/or GamePass :thinking
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« Reply #33562 on: February 04, 2024, 08:36:24 PM »
RIP

time to get a ps5. I'll admit defeat.
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« Reply #33563 on: February 04, 2024, 11:33:36 PM »
I bet that's why Jim Ryan felt safe to retire.
He got the order for PS5 devkits from Microsoft and he knew it was Joever.

The Microsoft corpo dummies think they can just announce some PS5 games and their hardcore fanbase won't go apeshit lmao.
It's gonna be busy on Ebay soon

12 months later they wonder, why are all these third party games skipping Xbox and/or GamePass :thinking

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« Reply #33564 on: February 05, 2024, 05:57:16 AM »
Honestly, Sony fans are the worst people in gaming. Anyone with sense would know MS bowing out the console space would be bad for gamers but whatever reason today's gamers - mostly Sony ilk - suck corporate cock.
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« Reply #33565 on: February 05, 2024, 11:06:54 AM »
MS is on a roll

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The Free Trial version, including the open beta test, will not require an Xbox Game Pass (Core or Ultimate) plan to play. However, the full Xbox Series X|S version will require an Xbox Game Pass (Core or Ultimate) plan to play.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/f4c4542f86c781dac7b5c69b28f51710c7d9fd95

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« Reply #33566 on: February 05, 2024, 11:56:46 AM »
With Sony eventually putting their games out on PC as well, (and other platforms soon, they claim), I can't help but feel that consumers should start eyeing Nintendo to do the same. They're the only one left that has been the most stubborn (or blind?) to it.  They all want more profit essentially, but I get they want to keep a premium brand with hardware and software in unity, but I feel it will only cater to the super fans.  Personally, I'm pretty much done with their hardware.  If it weren't for Metroid and Zelda, I'm ready to drop N all together, but even those 2 are starting to not have the same impact they use to IMO.  If Nintendo has the gall to still charge $60 for a 7 year old game, what would stop gamers from still paying that same price on another platform? Are they worried about piracy? They can't even fight it with thier own hardware.. Shit gets exploited overnight. 

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« Reply #33567 on: February 05, 2024, 02:14:03 PM »
Honestly, Sony fans are the worst people in gaming. Anyone with sense would know MS bowing out the console space would be bad for gamers but whatever reason today's gamers - mostly Sony ilk - suck corporate cock.
:cenk

Mircosoft is still going to make hardware. MS going all digital and throttling down GamePass (which apparently is wildly expensive) is on them.

I don't blame highers ups at MS for wanting $70 a pop for CoD. Or wanting millions of extra sales on stuff like Starfield, Indy, Gears, etc.

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« Reply #33568 on: February 05, 2024, 03:32:37 PM »
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/1754598552548904973

No denial. No "we'll set the record straight" or "ignore the rumors".

It's over brehs.

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« Reply #33569 on: February 05, 2024, 03:40:19 PM »
It's more over next week than Phil Spencer currently seems to realize.

1 week is a long time for the gaming community.
Many used Xbox consoles will flood Ebay by then as people will try to sell it before the value craters, not to mention the cancelled subscriptions from angry Xbox fans.

Once a console is dead, its dead. It can only survive with fans and hype.

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« Reply #33570 on: February 05, 2024, 03:48:28 PM »
Time to disconnect the boner and hack the fuck outta them as ultimate emu machines like the OG...  Coming full circle.

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« Reply #33571 on: February 05, 2024, 03:50:54 PM »
Oh well I want to thank Microsoft for subsidizing gamers these past 23 years.

If it wasn't for a lucid Matrix dream of Ken Kutaragi and them panicking and eating up the cost of expensive RAM, marketing firms, servers, $500 million HALO sequels just to look "cool" gaming wouldn't be where it is today.
It's a shame about all those studios that went down with the ship and will go down in the future.
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« Reply #33572 on: February 05, 2024, 04:10:59 PM »
What

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« Reply #33573 on: February 05, 2024, 10:03:11 PM »
FFVII Rebirth Demo leaked to drop tomorrow after the showcase.  Will be the Nibelheim Section only where you can choose between Cloud or Sephiroth. 

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1754662533250891848

Some more Stellar Blade infoz...

https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1754469296166907907

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Full list of details:
- Single player game
- Linear game mixed with semi-open world areas
- Inspired by NieR: Automata
- Combos, parries and evasion play a big role in combat
- Gameplay requires you to carefully asses enemy movements
- Difficulty can be adjusted
- Boss battles are a key element
- Each boss has a unique attack pattern
- Includes long range weapons
- Help restore the city of 'Zion' and its residents
- Receive side quests from NPCs in town
- Will have fishing!
- Eve has 20-30 costumes
- Adam and Lily also have costumes
- There will be rare costumes
- Collect costume material and designs in-game
- Costumes can also be purchased in towns
- Inspired by Battle Angel Alita and Blade Runner
- Inspired by other games such as Sekiro, Bayonetta, God of War and Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order

Some actual good FF and a nice slab of Stellar Ass?..  PS5 folks eat'n, son!

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« Reply #33574 on: February 05, 2024, 10:09:42 PM »
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- Gameplay requires you to carefully asses enemy movements

This has to be intentional. Right?

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« Reply #33575 on: February 06, 2024, 02:45:43 AM »
xbox kaput!

As someone that plays finishes max 10 games a year for 10 years straight now Im not surprised the model didnt last.

I unsubbed more and more and finally sold my xbox last year as I was getting zero value from gamepass in the end.

Starfield was garbage and I played it for maybe 5 hours max, would have been better to just have bought it physical and then sell it on.

Sea of stars was amazing but I didnt get to finish it within a month even because Im casual, and Im not going to resub to finish an Indie, another game where actually buying it would have been better.

Meanwhile Ive had the Switch for almost 7 years now

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« Reply #33576 on: February 06, 2024, 10:43:08 AM »
So I’ve been watching a playthrough of FFVII, the PS1 version, where it’s all the dialogue and cutscenes, but most battles and traversal are cut.  I wanted to refresh my memory of how the middle of the game went, story-wise.  Only played through it once at launch, so I forgot a good bit of it…and I don’t have the time to playthrough it again.  I remember bits and pieces.  Got to the part with Cid and his backstory… Holy shit, was Cid really this bad?  I don’t remember all the cussing and him verbally abusing his distinguished mentally-challenged girl.  Bro, take it easy.  I’m almost more curious how that’s going to be retold in Rebirth, moreso than the infamous Aerith scene.  I’m guessing it will be toned down some.  If there was some redeeming of him at some point, I’ll get to it still..  I’m at the part after the Tiny Bronco crashes in the water and Cloud and Tifa do a stage play (don’t remember that AT ALL.)

Question though, where will Rebirth end do you think? I see most people mention the Northern Cave.  Any thoughts on those who remember the story pretty well?

Edit:  Ok then, well, the director confirmed that it will end where the second disc orignally ended; The Forgotten Capital(?).
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« Reply #33577 on: February 06, 2024, 12:46:53 PM »
xbox kaput!

As someone that plays finishes max 10 games a year for 10 years straight now Im not surprised the model didnt last.

I unsubbed more and more and finally sold my xbox last year as I was getting zero value from gamepass in the end.

Starfield was garbage and I played it for maybe 5 hours max, would have been better to just have bought it physical and then sell it on.

Sea of stars was amazing but I didnt get to finish it within a month even because Im casual, and Im not going to resub to finish an Indie, another game where actually buying it would have been better.

Meanwhile Ive had the Switch for almost 7 years now

Fine for you. Xbox Gamepass on PC is a real deal though. P3 Reloaded for 8 euro's instead of 70$
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« Reply #33578 on: February 06, 2024, 01:08:05 PM »
So I’ve been watching a playthrough of FFVII, the PS1 version, where it’s all the dialogue and cutscenes, but most battles and traversal are cut.  I wanted to refresh my memory of how the middle of the game went, story-wise.  Only played through it once at launch, so I forgot a good bit of it…and I don’t have the time to playthrough it again.  I remember bits and pieces.  Got to the part with Cid and his backstory… Holy shit, was Cid really this bad?  I don’t remember all the cussing and him verbally abusing his distinguished mentally-challenged girl.  Bro, take it easy.  I’m almost more curious how that’s going to be retold in Rebirth, moreso than the infamous Aerith scene.  I’m guessing it will be toned down some.  If there was some redeeming of him at some point, I’ll get to it still..  I’m at the part after the Tiny Bronco crashes in the water and Cloud and Tifa do a stage play (don’t remember that AT ALL.)

Question though, where will Rebirth end do you think? I see most people mention the Northern Cave.  Any thoughts on those who remember the story pretty well?

Edit:  Ok then, well, the director confirmed that it will end where the second disc orignally ended; The Forgotten Capital(?).

Cid being a POS factors into the story and yes he's always been this bad. My friend and I were playing FFVII alongside each other (comparing progress;etc) in sixth grade and we got to Cid at the same time and were talking about how much of an asshole he is the next day at school. The main question of FFVII is this: are humans redeemable? This is important because meteor is summoned to rid the planet of humans. In order to heal from the damage the planet will have to use an extraordinary amount of life force to save itself. It could use all of humanity to do so. When meteor hits the game primes you with the question on whether humans survived or not. This is done deliberately. You're on Cid, but the beginning of the game has you bombing a reactor that kills innocents. Barret, Tifa, and Cloud aren't saints either. In fact, your entire party is made of sinful, flawed people. Literal terrorists, a stark raving mad with abusive anger issues, someone that works directly for Shinra, a man turned into a monster, and a thief. The only human in the party that represents goodness is Aerith. As far as the planet is concerned there's no difference between Barret and Shinra. You should consider this as the disc works towards its close. The only other party member that is good is Red XIII and he's not a human, pushing the point further.  So yes, Cid is abusive. But that's the point. As you watch the story you should start asking yourself if humanity is redeemable. Is Barret beyond redemption for allowing Shinra into Corel? Are Barret and Tifa beyond redemption for being a part of Avalanche and orchestrating terrorist attacks? And at the end of the game, they choose to redeem themselves - sacrificing themselves for the planet and save everyone's life by killing Sephiroth so Aerith can finally cast Holy. A gang of selfish fucks choose the most unselfish act - self sacrifice - and choose to die together to save many. I'll let you decide if Cid ends up redeeming himself.

Final Fantasy VII is a gaming storytelling masterpiece. The only reason it's not highly regarded today is because Square ruined its legacy by milking it to death.

The Forgotten capitol happens on disc 1.
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« Reply #33579 on: February 06, 2024, 01:40:31 PM »


I wrote an essay on Final Fantasy VII in 2003. At the time, it was my favorite game. I cut my teeth discussing it and its themes on Square message boards. At that point all dialogue for FFVII was about dissecting and understanding it to analyze its highly cryptic and open-ended ending. In the state of Texas you had to write essays they were rated on a four point scale. You had to pass to graduate High School and fours were rare and for the elite. I got a four writing an essay on FFVII and it themes of redemption.  :damn

Then they went and ruined it by giving it a sequel. The equivalent of Christopher Nolan making a sequel to Inception. Legacy killing. :goty2

If Cid is more neutral and not abusive in the remake it goes to show they don't understand their own story. If anything, they should dial it up. Make him even more abusive.
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« Reply #33580 on: February 06, 2024, 06:58:15 PM »
So I’ve been watching a playthrough of FFVII, the PS1 version, where it’s all the dialogue and cutscenes, but most battles and traversal are cut.  I wanted to refresh my memory of how the middle of the game went, story-wise.  Only played through it once at launch, so I forgot a good bit of it…and I don’t have the time to playthrough it again.  I remember bits and pieces.  Got to the part with Cid and his backstory… Holy shit, was Cid really this bad?  I don’t remember all the cussing and him verbally abusing his distinguished mentally-challenged girl.  Bro, take it easy.  I’m almost more curious how that’s going to be retold in Rebirth, moreso than the infamous Aerith scene.  I’m guessing it will be toned down some.  If there was some redeeming of him at some point, I’ll get to it still..  I’m at the part after the Tiny Bronco crashes in the water and Cloud and Tifa do a stage play (don’t remember that AT ALL.)

Question though, where will Rebirth end do you think? I see most people mention the Northern Cave.  Any thoughts on those who remember the story pretty well?

Edit:  Ok then, well, the director confirmed that it will end where the second disc orignally ended; The Forgotten Capital(?).

Cid being a POS factors into the story and yes he's always been this bad. My friend and I were playing FFVII alongside each other (comparing progress;etc) in sixth grade and we got to Cid at the same time and were talking about how much of an asshole he is the next day at school. The main question of FFVII is this: are humans redeemable? This is important because meteor is summoned to rid the planet of humans. In order to heal from the damage the planet will have to use an extraordinary amount of life force to save itself. It could use all of humanity to do so. When meteor hits the game primes you with the question on whether humans survived or not. This is done deliberately. You're on Cid, but the beginning of the game has you bombing a reactor that kills innocents. Barret, Tifa, and Cloud aren't saints either. In fact, your entire party is made of sinful, flawed people. Literal terrorists, a stark raving mad with abusive anger issues, someone that works directly for Shinra, a man turned into a monster, and a thief. The only human in the party that represents goodness is Aerith. As far as the planet is concerned there's no difference between Barret and Shinra. You should consider this as the disc works towards its close. The only other party member that is good is Red XIII and he's not a human, pushing the point further.  So yes, Cid is abusive. But that's the point. As you watch the story you should start asking yourself if humanity is redeemable. Is Barret beyond redemption for allowing Shinra into Corel? Are Barret and Tifa beyond redemption for being a part of Avalanche and orchestrating terrorist attacks? And at the end of the game, they choose to redeem themselves - sacrificing themselves for the planet and save everyone's life by killing Sephiroth so Aerith can finally cast Holy. A gang of selfish fucks choose the most unselfish act - self sacrifice - and choose to die together to save many. I'll let you decide if Cid ends up redeeming himself.

Final Fantasy VII is a gaming storytelling masterpiece. The only reason it's not highly regarded today is because Square ruined its legacy by milking it to death.

The Forgotten capitol happens on disc 1.
I really appreciate this deep insight.  I wish I was able to remember these things, but I was ripped 24-7 while playing this back in the day.  :doge  Only remember bits, pieces, scenes... I've come to realize also, the original English translation is pretty shoddy.  Makes me appreciate this remake even more, because the dialogue is just confusing alot of the time.  I seriously don't remember any of the Black Materia stuff...   Total blur.  The beginning and ending cut scenes though?  Permanantly embedded in my memory... and the music as well.  Everytime World Crisis queues up, my eyes swell up everytime, it's so strikingly beautiful as the theme for the ultimate beacon of hope.
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« Reply #33581 on: February 06, 2024, 07:00:47 PM »
With the recent attempt of refreshing of late, and even more so with Himu's post :), ...This is going to be insane...


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« Reply #33582 on: February 06, 2024, 07:24:51 PM »


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« Reply #33583 on: February 06, 2024, 08:02:41 PM »
Honestly, Sony fans are the worst people in gaming. Anyone with sense would know MS bowing out the console space would be bad for gamers but whatever reason today's gamers - mostly Sony ilk - suck corporate cock.

I'm with you that I think this is bad for the industry as Sony makes even more shitty decisions than usual when they feel they don't have to compete.

But I also find it really interesting from a "this is a huge shift in the game industry that we haven't seen since Sega left the hardware business" perspective, and I'm curious what will happen if MS actually leaves the hardware space and it's only a two consoles +PC market with game pass on everything.

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« Reply #33584 on: February 06, 2024, 08:26:58 PM »
Honestly, Sony fans are the worst people in gaming. Anyone with sense would know MS bowing out the console space would be bad for gamers but whatever reason today's gamers - mostly Sony ilk - suck corporate cock.

I'm with you that I think this is bad for the industry as Sony makes even more shitty decisions than usual when they feel they don't have to compete.

But I also find it really interesting from a "this is a huge shift in the game industry that we haven't seen since Sega left the hardware business" perspective, and I'm curious what will happen if MS actually leaves the hardware space and it's only a two consoles +PC market with game pass on everything.

The problem Bebpo is who the fuck is going to jump into the modern console space? It's not 2001 anymore.

Apple? Apple has never had a priority for gaming.

Google? They've tried and failed.

In the gaming landscape, the biggest names like Activision Blizzard were bought out by Microsoft so they won't have any ability to make a console.

The only big name I can think of is Epic or Rockstar (Take Two). Personally, since Epic makes their own engine and has the capital and passion they'd be a good choice. They already have their own store on PC. They're the only new console maker I can see making in-roads in today's space to have enough money and care about fans enough to make a quality competitor to Sony.

Maybe EA would jump in but EA doesn't have the love from fans to make that sort of move.

The only other alternative I can think of is Sega making a new console and this would put them at significant risk.
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« Reply #33585 on: February 06, 2024, 08:54:42 PM »
I've been thinking of a new Sega console since that post. Wow. I would kill for a Sega Galaxy. :whew
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« Reply #33586 on: February 06, 2024, 09:27:41 PM »
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« Reply #33587 on: February 06, 2024, 09:59:43 PM »
A two console universe would be less of an issue if:

1. People took PC seriously.

or

2. Nintendo and Sony actually competed against each other and forced each other to be competitive instead of each doing their own thing.


The problem is that neither of those happens so without competition Sony will just do its own thing. Nintendo will always just do its own thing regardless.

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« Reply #33588 on: February 07, 2024, 12:03:05 AM »
I wonder how the music is in the remake. Really looking forward to playing it now Im getting a Steam Deck.

City of the ancients is still my fav piece from FF7:



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« Reply #33589 on: February 07, 2024, 03:12:10 AM »
So I’ve been watching a playthrough of FFVII, the PS1 version, where it’s all the dialogue and cutscenes, but most battles and traversal are cut.  I wanted to refresh my memory of how the middle of the game went, story-wise.  Only played through it once at launch, so I forgot a good bit of it…and I don’t have the time to playthrough it again.  I remember bits and pieces.  Got to the part with Cid and his backstory… Holy shit, was Cid really this bad?  I don’t remember all the cussing and him verbally abusing his distinguished mentally-challenged girl.  Bro, take it easy.  I’m almost more curious how that’s going to be retold in Rebirth, moreso than the infamous Aerith scene.  I’m guessing it will be toned down some.  If there was some redeeming of him at some point, I’ll get to it still..  I’m at the part after the Tiny Bronco crashes in the water and Cloud and Tifa do a stage play (don’t remember that AT ALL.)

Question though, where will Rebirth end do you think? I see most people mention the Northern Cave.  Any thoughts on those who remember the story pretty well?

Edit:  Ok then, well, the director confirmed that it will end where the second disc orignally ended; The Forgotten Capital(?).

Cid being a POS factors into the story and yes he's always been this bad. My friend and I were playing FFVII alongside each other (comparing progress;etc) in sixth grade and we got to Cid at the same time and were talking about how much of an asshole he is the next day at school. The main question of FFVII is this: are humans redeemable? This is important because meteor is summoned to rid the planet of humans. In order to heal from the damage the planet will have to use an extraordinary amount of life force to save itself. It could use all of humanity to do so. When meteor hits the game primes you with the question on whether humans survived or not. This is done deliberately. You're on Cid, but the beginning of the game has you bombing a reactor that kills innocents. Barret, Tifa, and Cloud aren't saints either. In fact, your entire party is made of sinful, flawed people. Literal terrorists, a stark raving mad with abusive anger issues, someone that works directly for Shinra, a man turned into a monster, and a thief. The only human in the party that represents goodness is Aerith. As far as the planet is concerned there's no difference between Barret and Shinra. You should consider this as the disc works towards its close. The only other party member that is good is Red XIII and he's not a human, pushing the point further.  So yes, Cid is abusive. But that's the point. As you watch the story you should start asking yourself if humanity is redeemable. Is Barret beyond redemption for allowing Shinra into Corel? Are Barret and Tifa beyond redemption for being a part of Avalanche and orchestrating terrorist attacks? And at the end of the game, they choose to redeem themselves - sacrificing themselves for the planet and save everyone's life by killing Sephiroth so Aerith can finally cast Holy. A gang of selfish fucks choose the most unselfish act - self sacrifice - and choose to die together to save many. I'll let you decide if Cid ends up redeeming himself.

Final Fantasy VII is a gaming storytelling masterpiece. The only reason it's not highly regarded today is because Square ruined its legacy by milking it to death.

The Forgotten capitol happens on disc 1.
I really appreciate this deep insight.  I wish I was able to remember these things, but I was ripped 24-7 while playing this back in the day.  :doge  Only remember bits, pieces, scenes... I've come to realize also, the original English translation is pretty shoddy.  Makes me appreciate this remake even more, because the dialogue is just confusing alot of the time.  I seriously don't remember any of the Black Materia stuff...   Total blur.  The beginning and ending cut scenes though?  Permanantly embedded in my memory... and the music as well.  Everytime World Crisis queues up, my eyes swell up everytime, it's so strikingly beautiful as the theme for the ultimate beacon of hope.

The translation is awful and we were never gifted with a retranslation. FFI-VI were translated multiple times. Chrono Trigger got a retranslation on the DS version. FFIV-VI retranslated for the Advanced titles but SE releases FFVII for ps4 and pc and remasters it with new features? No retranslation. SE is a far more lazy company especially in the English world these days.

The fact we never got a retranslation and yet we got a remake that wasn't even 1:1 pissed me off for the longest. VII fans living in poverty over here.

Some things to note about the English translation for FFVII:

1. When they use the word clone, they are NOT clones. Cloud is NOT a clone. When they use the word clone the word "puppet" is a better replacement. Jenova cells manipulate matter and living organisms. Once implanted, Jenova is capable of controlling what has cells inside of her. This also works backwards. Sephiroth is able to control Jenova through her cells implanted into him.

2. Black materia stuff is great Caith Sith aside. Cait Sith is such a stupid character and I wish they just used Reeve in the remake instead of that goofy mascot I hate so much.
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« Reply #33590 on: February 07, 2024, 03:52:46 AM »
Jeff Gerstmann had the perfect take on the whole 'xbox going third party' discussion.

In a world where Call of Duty and Minecraft, their biggest IP's are already third party and will continue to be so,
who gives a fuck if Starfield, HiFi Rush etc also make it over on a case by case basis, and 6-8 months later?

It only makes sense for MS really.
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« Reply #33591 on: February 07, 2024, 04:11:04 AM »
A two console universe would be less of an issue if:

1. People took PC seriously.

or

2. Nintendo and Sony actually competed against each other and forced each other to be competitive instead of each doing their own thing.


The problem is that neither of those happens so without competition Sony will just do its own thing. Nintendo will always just do its own thing regardless.

Honestly, I think Nintendo finally hit its sweet spot by doing away with the handheld/console split. There’s a steady stream of quality games, along with remakes, indies, and third party stuff. As I understand it, the Pokémon games have been lackluster but that’s been the case for over 20 years now.

I’m not up to date on Switch 2 rumors. Think it’s aiming for PS4 (Pro?) type performance but with DLSS and stuff? That’s fine for what it’s doing.

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« Reply #33592 on: February 07, 2024, 08:39:24 AM »
So I’ve been watching a playthrough of FFVII, the PS1 version, where it’s all the dialogue and cutscenes, but most battles and traversal are cut.  I wanted to refresh my memory of how the middle of the game went, story-wise.  Only played through it once at launch, so I forgot a good bit of it…and I don’t have the time to playthrough it again.  I remember bits and pieces.  Got to the part with Cid and his backstory… Holy shit, was Cid really this bad?  I don’t remember all the cussing and him verbally abusing his distinguished mentally-challenged girl.  Bro, take it easy.  I’m almost more curious how that’s going to be retold in Rebirth, moreso than the infamous Aerith scene.  I’m guessing it will be toned down some.  If there was some redeeming of him at some point, I’ll get to it still..  I’m at the part after the Tiny Bronco crashes in the water and Cloud and Tifa do a stage play (don’t remember that AT ALL.)

Question though, where will Rebirth end do you think? I see most people mention the Northern Cave.  Any thoughts on those who remember the story pretty well?

Edit:  Ok then, well, the director confirmed that it will end where the second disc orignally ended; The Forgotten Capital(?).

Cid being a POS factors into the story and yes he's always been this bad. My friend and I were playing FFVII alongside each other (comparing progress;etc) in sixth grade and we got to Cid at the same time and were talking about how much of an asshole he is the next day at school. The main question of FFVII is this: are humans redeemable? This is important because meteor is summoned to rid the planet of humans. In order to heal from the damage the planet will have to use an extraordinary amount of life force to save itself. It could use all of humanity to do so. When meteor hits the game primes you with the question on whether humans survived or not. This is done deliberately. You're on Cid, but the beginning of the game has you bombing a reactor that kills innocents. Barret, Tifa, and Cloud aren't saints either. In fact, your entire party is made of sinful, flawed people. Literal terrorists, a stark raving mad with abusive anger issues, someone that works directly for Shinra, a man turned into a monster, and a thief. The only human in the party that represents goodness is Aerith. As far as the planet is concerned there's no difference between Barret and Shinra. You should consider this as the disc works towards its close. The only other party member that is good is Red XIII and he's not a human, pushing the point further.  So yes, Cid is abusive. But that's the point. As you watch the story you should start asking yourself if humanity is redeemable. Is Barret beyond redemption for allowing Shinra into Corel? Are Barret and Tifa beyond redemption for being a part of Avalanche and orchestrating terrorist attacks? And at the end of the game, they choose to redeem themselves - sacrificing themselves for the planet and save everyone's life by killing Sephiroth so Aerith can finally cast Holy. A gang of selfish fucks choose the most unselfish act - self sacrifice - and choose to die together to save many. I'll let you decide if Cid ends up redeeming himself.

Final Fantasy VII is a gaming storytelling masterpiece. The only reason it's not highly regarded today is because Square ruined its legacy by milking it to death.

The Forgotten capitol happens on disc 1.
I really appreciate this deep insight.  I wish I was able to remember these things, but I was ripped 24-7 while playing this back in the day.  :doge  Only remember bits, pieces, scenes... I've come to realize also, the original English translation is pretty shoddy.  Makes me appreciate this remake even more, because the dialogue is just confusing alot of the time.  I seriously don't remember any of the Black Materia stuff...   Total blur.  The beginning and ending cut scenes though?  Permanantly embedded in my memory... and the music as well.  Everytime World Crisis queues up, my eyes swell up everytime, it's so strikingly beautiful as the theme for the ultimate beacon of hope.

The translation is awful and we were never gifted with a retranslation. FFI-VI were translated multiple times. Chrono Trigger got a retranslation on the DS version. FFIV-VI retranslated for the Advanced titles but SE releases FFVII for ps4 and pc and remasters it with new features? No retranslation. SE is a far more lazy company especially in the English world these days.

The fact we never got a retranslation and yet we got a remake that wasn't even 1:1 pissed me off for the longest. VII fans living in poverty over here.

Some things to note about the English translation for FFVII:

1. When they use the word clone, they are NOT clones. Cloud is NOT a clone. When they use the word clone the word "puppet" is a better replacement. Jenova cells manipulate matter and living organisms. Once implanted, Jenova is capable of controlling what has cells inside of her. This also works backwards. Sephiroth is able to control Jenova through her cells implanted into him.

2. Black materia stuff is great Caith Sith aside. Cait Sith is such a stupid character and I wish they just used Reeve in the remake instead of that goofy mascot I hate so much.
This being said, while I was continuing my refresh watch, I forgot that Sephiroth basically controls Cloud to hand him over the Black Materia.. which brings me to Aerith's death.  They said that scene will have a "Big surprise".  For a moment, it crossed my mind that Sephiroth would have Cloud kill her... But... not sure what good that would do for the story other than shred Cloud apart in misery the remainder of the game, and essentially have Aerith forgive him...   Either that, or Sephiroth will kill someone else as well.... the director also stated that "whoever dies, it is a permanant death".

Well shit, I just re-watched the final trailer and it shows Cloud stabbing Sephiroth through the gut, and Sephiroth embraces him and says, "Very good... fill your heart with rage"...  That was probably Aerith he truly did that too... My current hot take on that, if that is the case, it better be built up and played out with laser precision and emotion... But at the same time, I don't want to be right.

Here's that final trailer...


And about the Cid thing I brought up initially, the "abuse" part I was initially talking about was mainly the cussing.  So many @%!#% inserts, I was thinking, what all is he saying?  I think it doesn't matter just because it's just another part of the faulty translation.  They can bring the emotionally abusive manner in this one with no problem, but would obviously have to tone the language down to keep this a Teen rating, now that this is voiced over.
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« Reply #33593 on: February 07, 2024, 09:13:20 AM »
A two console universe would be less of an issue if:

1. People took PC seriously.

or

2. Nintendo and Sony actually competed against each other and forced each other to be competitive instead of each doing their own thing.


The problem is that neither of those happens so without competition Sony will just do its own thing. Nintendo will always just do its own thing regardless.

Honestly, I think Nintendo finally hit its sweet spot by doing away with the handheld/console split. There’s a steady stream of quality games, along with remakes, indies, and third party stuff. As I understand it, the Pokémon games have been lackluster but that’s been the case for over 20 years now.

I’m not up to date on Switch 2 rumors. Think it’s aiming for PS4 (Pro?) type performance but with DLSS and stuff? That’s fine for what it’s doing.
I think the fight isn't over yet either.  PC has really taken a smart step to take on the Switch with Steamdeck and the other handhelds.. If MS exits hardware, that would leave only Sony as the Console king, but that can't last... too many people want both; small and portable, and a connect-n-play station for console play.  Switch nailed it apparently, although with dated hardware, but they were still the first to do it, so it didn't matter.. and normies didn't care. 

That being said, there's quite heavy rumors that Sony has basically patented the "Vita 2" as well...  They see how enticing these handheld systems are now with tech (and no one can deny that Sony knows their tech), so they want a piece of it too to stay in the inevitable ring. (I think the Portal will come and go faster than we think.. or be relaunched as Portal 2/Vita 2 as a standalone) Personally, I could care less for handhelds, but that's the world we live in now.  They way of stationary builds will only live on with custom PCs, imo.  But it's not for normies... they all want instant gratification of whipping out and playing whenever, and wherever they want. Nintendo served that, and served it hard and hot.. and proved it. 

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« Reply #33594 on: February 07, 2024, 12:07:18 PM »
Vita 2 is not fucking happening  :lol


I love my PSP
Vita was a solid little machine with barely any software support

but Vita burned Sony hard. They're not going back in the handheld ring. It'll just be streaming devices like the portal from now on.

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« Reply #33595 on: February 07, 2024, 12:30:25 PM »
Exclusive handheld games are dead imo. The key with switch and Steam deck is consolidating libraries.

If Sony somehow managed to make a portable PS5, and the existence of a streaming handheld suggests they can’t, then it might be viable. That’s a wild hypothetical where PS5 games can scale way down.

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« Reply #33596 on: February 07, 2024, 12:44:17 PM »
So I’ve been watching a playthrough of FFVII, the PS1 version, where it’s all the dialogue and cutscenes, but most battles and traversal are cut.  I wanted to refresh my memory of how the middle of the game went, story-wise.  Only played through it once at launch, so I forgot a good bit of it…and I don’t have the time to playthrough it again.  I remember bits and pieces.  Got to the part with Cid and his backstory… Holy shit, was Cid really this bad?  I don’t remember all the cussing and him verbally abusing his distinguished mentally-challenged girl.  Bro, take it easy.  I’m almost more curious how that’s going to be retold in Rebirth, moreso than the infamous Aerith scene.  I’m guessing it will be toned down some.  If there was some redeeming of him at some point, I’ll get to it still..  I’m at the part after the Tiny Bronco crashes in the water and Cloud and Tifa do a stage play (don’t remember that AT ALL.)

Question though, where will Rebirth end do you think? I see most people mention the Northern Cave.  Any thoughts on those who remember the story pretty well?

Edit:  Ok then, well, the director confirmed that it will end where the second disc orignally ended; The Forgotten Capital(?).

Cid being a POS factors into the story and yes he's always been this bad. My friend and I were playing FFVII alongside each other (comparing progress;etc) in sixth grade and we got to Cid at the same time and were talking about how much of an asshole he is the next day at school. The main question of FFVII is this: are humans redeemable? This is important because meteor is summoned to rid the planet of humans. In order to heal from the damage the planet will have to use an extraordinary amount of life force to save itself. It could use all of humanity to do so. When meteor hits the game primes you with the question on whether humans survived or not. This is done deliberately. You're on Cid, but the beginning of the game has you bombing a reactor that kills innocents. Barret, Tifa, and Cloud aren't saints either. In fact, your entire party is made of sinful, flawed people. Literal terrorists, a stark raving mad with abusive anger issues, someone that works directly for Shinra, a man turned into a monster, and a thief. The only human in the party that represents goodness is Aerith. As far as the planet is concerned there's no difference between Barret and Shinra. You should consider this as the disc works towards its close. The only other party member that is good is Red XIII and he's not a human, pushing the point further.  So yes, Cid is abusive. But that's the point. As you watch the story you should start asking yourself if humanity is redeemable. Is Barret beyond redemption for allowing Shinra into Corel? Are Barret and Tifa beyond redemption for being a part of Avalanche and orchestrating terrorist attacks? And at the end of the game, they choose to redeem themselves - sacrificing themselves for the planet and save everyone's life by killing Sephiroth so Aerith can finally cast Holy. A gang of selfish fucks choose the most unselfish act - self sacrifice - and choose to die together to save many. I'll let you decide if Cid ends up redeeming himself.

Final Fantasy VII is a gaming storytelling masterpiece. The only reason it's not highly regarded today is because Square ruined its legacy by milking it to death.

The Forgotten capitol happens on disc 1.
I really appreciate this deep insight.  I wish I was able to remember these things, but I was ripped 24-7 while playing this back in the day.  :doge  Only remember bits, pieces, scenes... I've come to realize also, the original English translation is pretty shoddy.  Makes me appreciate this remake even more, because the dialogue is just confusing alot of the time.  I seriously don't remember any of the Black Materia stuff...   Total blur.  The beginning and ending cut scenes though?  Permanantly embedded in my memory... and the music as well.  Everytime World Crisis queues up, my eyes swell up everytime, it's so strikingly beautiful as the theme for the ultimate beacon of hope.

The translation is awful and we were never gifted with a retranslation. FFI-VI were translated multiple times. Chrono Trigger got a retranslation on the DS version. FFIV-VI retranslated for the Advanced titles but SE releases FFVII for ps4 and pc and remasters it with new features? No retranslation. SE is a far more lazy company especially in the English world these days.

The fact we never got a retranslation and yet we got a remake that wasn't even 1:1 pissed me off for the longest. VII fans living in poverty over here.

Some things to note about the English translation for FFVII:

1. When they use the word clone, they are NOT clones. Cloud is NOT a clone. When they use the word clone the word "puppet" is a better replacement. Jenova cells manipulate matter and living organisms. Once implanted, Jenova is capable of controlling what has cells inside of her. This also works backwards. Sephiroth is able to control Jenova through her cells implanted into him.

2. Black materia stuff is great Caith Sith aside. Cait Sith is such a stupid character and I wish they just used Reeve in the remake instead of that goofy mascot I hate so much.
This being said, while I was continuing my refresh watch, I forgot that Sephiroth basically controls Cloud to hand him over the Black Materia.. which brings me to Aerith's death.  They said that scene will have a "Big surprise".  For a moment, it crossed my mind that Sephiroth would have Cloud kill her... But... not sure what good that would do for the story other than shred Cloud apart in misery the remainder of the game, and essentially have Aerith forgive him...   Either that, or Sephiroth will kill someone else as well.... the director also stated that "whoever dies, it is a permanant death".

Well shit, I just re-watched the final trailer and it shows Cloud stabbing Sephiroth through the gut, and Sephiroth embraces him and says, "Very good... fill your heart with rage"...  That was probably Aerith he truly did that too... My current hot take on that, if that is the case, it better be built up and played out with laser precision and emotion... But at the same time, I don't want to be right.

Here's that final trailer...


And about the Cid thing I brought up initially, the "abuse" part I was initially talking about was mainly the cussing.  So many @%!#% inserts, I was thinking, what all is he saying?  I think it doesn't matter just because it's just another part of the faulty translation.  They can bring the emotionally abusive manner in this one with no problem, but would obviously have to tone the language down to keep this a Teen rating, now that this is voiced over.

Um. I'll let you keep watching this story playthrough if you don't remember Cloud stabbing Seph. Also FFVII Rebirth should have been rated M. I'm not sure how they'll do the dead Zolom on the tree on T rating and other crazy stuff.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 12:52:16 PM by Himu »
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« Reply #33597 on: February 07, 2024, 05:13:20 PM »

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« Reply #33598 on: February 07, 2024, 06:00:23 PM »
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1755341712380301501

Welcome to ContentNite or the CorpoVerse or whatever the fuck this is :doge
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« Reply #33599 on: February 07, 2024, 06:36:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/engadget/status/1755350093677380062

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