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« on: April 16, 2010, 05:03:59 AM »
As alluded to in the Obama thread I crashed the tea party protest in midtown Manhattan yesterday, and had my camera with me. Shot a bunch of angry white people with wacky signs, heard a lot of grumbling about socialism and how "the government needs to be overrun" and what have you.

The video: http://vimeo.com/10973296

An angry white person:



:usacry :punch :usacry
« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 01:19:31 AM by The Dark Shake 3000 »

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 05:25:03 AM »
Great video+song selection

Were there any pro-Obama folks out there getting in arguments lol?
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 05:37:35 AM »
Nice editing in sync with the cool music. That GEICO parody sign was pretty funny though.

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 06:18:18 AM »
Great editing, man.  Loved it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 08:03:08 AM »
Nice video. Whenever they have local teaparties here, I feel compelled to take a sign:



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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 08:41:54 AM »
:lol
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 09:22:32 AM »
wow that was good.  :lol

shake to be a director of political documentaries?

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 09:33:33 AM »
What makes me laugh about the Tea Party - when you get to the core - is that they believe this man hijacked the Presidency and is not listening to them. Everything he is doing is what Obama campaigned on! In fact, as someone who has voted for him, he is doing LESS than what he promised! And he won!

It's not like he said, "I'm going into office to pursue a libertarian agenda and downsize government!" and then went, "Hah, fooled you! I'm going to try and produce health care reform and facilitate better diplomatic relations with foreign countries! Viva la resistance!"
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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 09:35:28 AM »
He tricked people into believing he was an American citizen and not a muslim.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 09:37:27 AM »
They reacted the same way to Bill Clinton creating endless theories about him to discredit him but to a far lesser extent (no internet to spread and create freaky scandals and organize groups, with internet I wouldn't be surprised if it was near tea party levels).

they simply can't accept they can ever lose.

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 12:33:21 PM »
Great music! I drove past the local tea party in Suffolk, and just like I expected, it was a bunch of old white people and my friend Colin (a Ron Paul/Alex Jones fanboy).
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 12:37:32 PM »
Did you see any Tea Partiers that weren't white?
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 12:37:45 PM »
Did you see any Tea Partiers that weren't white?

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 12:40:03 PM »
Did you see any Tea Partiers that weren't white?

:rofl

Hey now, they have to exist! Because they're not racist...

Right?
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 12:40:15 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2010, 12:40:40 PM »
Those lemonparty posters are brilliant.  :lol
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 12:48:41 PM »
Awesome job shake!
What was the mood like? It always seems to me that it's just a republican sore loser party.
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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2010, 01:23:25 PM »
Can someone explain to me what this tea party shit is? is it angry white people that don't want their taxes to help the dirty poor?
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 01:34:50 PM »
Can someone explain to me what this tea party shit is? is it angry white people that don't want their taxes to help the dirty poor?

Bunch of people who feel that Obama and the government in general are taking the country in the wrong direction and going against the constitution. But, what you said is pretty much spot on.
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2010, 02:52:05 PM »
that was pretty awesome.  Well done sir.

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2010, 03:10:52 PM »
i would explain my situation and why a lot of this stuff is going to leave me more  screwed than i am right now, but it's pretty obvious none of you would really give a fuck and it would just be a waste of my time

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2010, 03:13:37 PM »
I love ya Eel, but how many of your posts boil down to "some hypothetical future event will prove you all to be assholes and/or hypocrites"?

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2010, 03:26:39 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2010, 03:28:50 PM »
I literally remember seeing ONE black tea partier, couldn't make out any others in a sea of white faces. :teehee

There weren't any major confrontations as far as a I could see, but there was one group of anti tea party folks (with the "blame Wall Street" signs) who started to antagonize the tea partiers by chanting that they're all racist, homophobic morons. :lol That mainly just caused a lot of yelling and some mild arguments. Nothing too serious.

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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2010, 03:31:28 PM »
i would explain my situation and why a lot of this stuff is going to leave me more  screwed than i am right now, but it's pretty obvious none of you would really give a fuck and it would just be a waste of my time


In what way bro? I'll listen.
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2010, 03:32:19 PM »
Shake, what kind of tea were they drinking?  Hot Twinings or cold Snapple?

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2010, 03:33:07 PM »
Probably TWA Tea
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2010, 03:35:56 PM »
No tea of any kind :'(

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2010, 03:53:36 PM »
i would explain my situation and why a lot of this stuff is going to leave me more  screwed than i am right now, but it's pretty obvious none of you would really give a fuck and it would just be a waste of my time


In what way bro? I'll listen.

Yeah, I'd also be willing to listen.
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2010, 03:55:09 PM »
Let's get some cheesecake and talk this shit out!

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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2010, 04:11:47 PM »
i know this because i'm the one writing the checks

i'm just saying that between all the fist-pumping and back-slapping you should all maybe consider that some of this -will- affect certain people adversely, and maybe everyone who sees what's coming for them and is a little upset by it isn't a racist or even very political otherwise

let me break it down for you monetarily

i made 24260 last year, down about 5k from 2008

out of that amount around 7000 was legit expense, bringing my net to 17260

between state and fed i owed 3200, leaving me with 14060 for the year, around 1172 a month to pay rent/utilities/eat/etc. - 293 a week

midway through last year when i saw how it was heading i made a conscious decision - i can either save for taxes and live like a dog, or i can eat, so i chose to eat

i joke about living like a fallout 3 scavenger, but that was certainly the case last year - everything i bought i sold something else to get, and between that and selling off things to make up for the taxes i'm just about out of things to sell

it's already trending the same way this year, so i can figure on a roughly equivalent income this year, and when the slowdown halts around here it'll probably stabilize around the 25k mark (basing this on having made less every year since 1998)

when the mandatory health bill kicks in, i won't be eligible for any business tax breaks because i am a self-employed sole proprietor (i am not eligible for a lot of assistances because of this), so i did some research and based on my income:

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Beginning in 2014, you will receive tax credits to help afford insurance premiums in the new exchanges as well as assistance with deductibles and co-payments. According to your income and family size, the tax credits will  ensure you do not spend more than $1528.38 to $1952.93 on premiums. Your maximum out-of-pocket costs for deductibles and co-payments would be capped at 27% of the total cost.

going with the lower amount, that would then leave me with roughly 12532, around 1044 a month (give or take a few bucks either way) or 262.50 a week

so i'm gonna have to make another choice that year, to either pay the 1500 i definitely know i can't afford, or not pay it and take the 700-800 penalty i can't afford but have to anyway, and all the helpful links and wonderful graphs and statistics in the world explaining to me how this is really the greatest thing ever needs of the many etc. isn't going to change any of that

i normally stay out of the political threads, as far as the social/civil stuff goes i am with you all on most of it

but when i see a lot of things written here lately, and when it jumps out of the politics thread and into other areas, i just think to myself "Man, these people just really don't give a shit how this is gonna fuckhammer people like me, if i even try to comment and state my side of it i'm just gonna be jumped on as some sort of teabagger or labeled as selfish or whatever"

so give me a witty one-liner, tell me with a straight face that i am not going to end up extra fucked, and i'll be sure and chuckle over it while i'm grocery shopping at the dollar store this weekend
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 04:16:41 PM by Eel O'Brian »
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2010, 04:25:28 PM »
so i'm gonna have to make another choice that year, to either pay the 1500 i definitely know i can't afford, or not pay it and take the 700-800 penalty i can't afford but have to anyway
Not sure if you know this or not, but you can pay estimates, which are periodic payments (I think its quarterly) instead of paying one lump sum or suffering fines. Your taxes sound high for your income, but I am not up on tax code the last few years. How are you doing your taxes?
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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2010, 04:27:16 PM »
I think it should just be a single-payer system, end of story.
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2010, 04:29:14 PM »
Yeah, Eel's taxes sound waaaay high for his income.  But when you're self employed things do tend to get awfully complicated.

Sorry brah.

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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2010, 04:31:30 PM »
Yeah, his taxes sound ridiculously high for his income. Maybe have someone help you with writing more things off for the business?
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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2010, 04:39:31 PM »
Eel, sorry to hear about your woes.  Is there something on Steam I can get you to make you feel better? 

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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2010, 04:41:51 PM »
so i'm gonna have to make another choice that year, to either pay the 1500 i definitely know i can't afford, or not pay it and take the 700-800 penalty i can't afford but have to anyway
Not sure if you know this or not, but you can pay estimates, which are periodic payments (I think its quarterly) instead of paying one lump sum or suffering fines. Your taxes sound high for your income, but I am not up on tax code the last few years. How are you doing your taxes?

He's not talking about estimated payments, he's talking about the cost of mandated healthcare.

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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2010, 04:44:30 PM »
so i'm gonna have to make another choice that year, to either pay the 1500 i definitely know i can't afford, or not pay it and take the 700-800 penalty i can't afford but have to anyway
Not sure if you know this or not, but you can pay estimates, which are periodic payments (I think its quarterly) instead of paying one lump sum or suffering fines. Your taxes sound high for your income, but I am not up on tax code the last few years. How are you doing your taxes?

He's not talking about estimated payments, he's talking about the cost of mandated healthcare.
What's your fucking point? I quoted the only part of his post I addressed.
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2010, 04:53:23 PM »
so i'm gonna have to make another choice that year, to either pay the 1500 i definitely know i can't afford, or not pay it and take the 700-800 penalty i can't afford but have to anyway
Not sure if you know this or not, but you can pay estimates, which are periodic payments (I think its quarterly) instead of paying one lump sum or suffering fines. Your taxes sound high for your income, but I am not up on tax code the last few years. How are you doing your taxes?

He's not talking about estimated payments, he's talking about the cost of mandated healthcare.
What's your fucking point? I quoted the only part of his post I addressed.

What you're quoting and your response made me think you misunderstood what he said. The 700-800 penalty he's referring to is the cost of not getting health insurance, not the penalty he pays from not making estimated payments.

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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2010, 05:00:12 PM »
O, you are correct, that's exactly what I thought  :lol. Sorry for the shitty tone in my post  :-\
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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2010, 05:01:42 PM »
I tend to think that Eel knows his onions when it comes to his own tax obligations.  He's living his life and we aren't.  Yeah it seems high at first glance, but assuming he's paying both the employer and employee halves of FICA, that's most of it right there.


i normally stay out of the political threads, as far as the social/civil stuff goes i am with you all on most of it

but when i see a lot of things written here lately, and when it jumps out of the politics thread and into other areas, i just think to myself "Man, these people just really don't give a shit how this is gonna fuckhammer people like me, if i even try to comment and state my side of it i'm just gonna be jumped on as some sort of teabagger or labeled as selfish or whatever"

so give me a witty one-liner, tell me with a straight face that i am not going to end up extra fucked, and i'll be sure and chuckle over it while i'm grocery shopping at the dollar store this weekend

That's what I'm talking about, man.  You get mad at everyone for hypothetically being snarky and dismissive towards your viewpoint after choosing not to share it.  Maybe you're right and everyone would be smug, empathy-devoid assholes about it, but maybe they wouldn't.  At least give them the chance, instead of calling them out on theoretical future cuntiness.


Though personally, I'd take the current bill over the status quo, knowing full well that it's gonna fuckhammer some people.  I just happen to know other people who are getting raped in the current system and stand to benefit a ton.  In the end I give them more weight cause I know them personally and because it involves not being able to get coverage for life-threatening diseases because they've got life-threatening diseases.

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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2010, 05:05:10 PM »
Can you get on the new govt program that is part of the bill for those who can't afford to purchase it?


I'd take the current bill over the status quo, knowing full well that it's gonna fuckhammer some people.  I just happen to know other people who are getting raped in the current system and stand to benefit a ton.  In the end I give them more weight cause I know them personally and because it involves not being able to get coverage for life-threatening diseases because they've got life-threatening diseases.
As hard as it to say to someone in Eel's position there is probably at least 5 people for everyone in his situation who is going to greatly benefit from this new program. It's not a great bill but it is going to help a ton of people. And the mandate is part of that element that will help.

I know a few people who will be tangibly helped by this bill and that makes everything worth it. Some may struggle to have to pay for insurance now that it is mandated that they otherwise would use for other things but that is just part of everyone doing their part, nothing comes completely free.

It isn't smug to be happy and proud of this program. I don't get why he sees it that way. We wouldn't be happy with it if it didn't help people. And this law helps people despite not being perfect.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 05:12:51 PM by Cheebs »

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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2010, 05:07:56 PM »
O, you are correct, that's exactly what I thought  :lol. Sorry for the shitty tone in my post  :-\

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2010, 05:11:03 PM »
It's kinda risky to go around with out insurance, what happens if you get cancer?  

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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2010, 05:12:23 PM »
It's kinda risky to go around with out insurance, what happens if you get cancer?  

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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2010, 05:15:00 PM »
Can you get on the new govt program that is part of the bill for those who can't afford to purchase it?


I'd take the current bill over the status quo, knowing full well that it's gonna fuckhammer some people.  I just happen to know other people who are getting raped in the current system and stand to benefit a ton.  In the end I give them more weight cause I know them personally and because it involves not being able to get coverage for life-threatening diseases because they've got life-threatening diseases.
As hard as it to say to someone in Eel's position there is probably at least 5 people for everyone in his situation who is going to greatly benefit from this new program. It's not a great bill but it is going to help a ton of people. And the mandate is part of that element that will help.

I know a few people who will be tangibly helped by this bill and that makes everything worth it. Some may struggle to have to pay for insurance now that it is mandated that they otherwise would use for other things but that is just part of everyone doing their part, nothing comes completely free.

It isn't smug to be happy and proud of this program. I don't get why he sees it that way. We wouldn't be happy with it if it didn't help people. And this law helps people despite not being perfect.

Hate to break it to you, but you sound pretty smug. 

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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2010, 05:19:10 PM »
The bill sucks, but I've said that all along.
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2010, 05:19:51 PM »
Can you get on the new govt program that is part of the bill for those who can't afford to purchase it?


I'd take the current bill over the status quo, knowing full well that it's gonna fuckhammer some people.  I just happen to know other people who are getting raped in the current system and stand to benefit a ton.  In the end I give them more weight cause I know them personally and because it involves not being able to get coverage for life-threatening diseases because they've got life-threatening diseases.
As hard as it to say to someone in Eel's position there is probably at least 5 people for everyone in his situation who is going to greatly benefit from this new program. It's not a great bill but it is going to help a ton of people. And the mandate is part of that element that will help.

I know a few people who will be tangibly helped by this bill and that makes everything worth it. Some may struggle to have to pay for insurance now that it is mandated that they otherwise would use for other things but that is just part of everyone doing their part, nothing comes completely free.

It isn't smug to be happy and proud of this program. I don't get why he sees it that way. We wouldn't be happy with it if it didn't help people. And this law helps people despite not being perfect.

Hate to break it to you, but you sound pretty smug. 
I know people who will helped by this law, a lot of people in fact. And I don't think a real single expert (not us fake internet-politico's) on health care would argue more people will be in Eel's position over the position of people being helped by the law.

It sucks he has to pay for something he can barely afford, but that is not enough of a reason to not be happy with the overall benefits of the mandate and the law as a whole. It helps too many people. It is worth being happy about and proud that it got passed.

32 million more americans can get health care. That's worth the package.



The bill sucks, but I've said that all along.
It's not single payer which is the ideal. But its 1000x better than the status quo and is the best thing we could have gotten out of this current congress and we likely would have got nothing out of the next congress. It helps far too many people to just say it sucks.

I mean I had benefits from the govt job I was working full time last year. I left it and now getting my masters full time. Thanks to this law I am able to go back on my parents plan till I am finished in a year and get a job again. I have no reason to hate this law.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 05:23:22 PM by Cheebs »

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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2010, 05:23:14 PM »
Cheebs:  Without speaking for Eel* that seems like the exact sort of post that could drive someone in his situation nuts.  You're abstracting away some very real hardships on his part with phrases like "everyone doing their part" and "nothing comes completely free".

Then you dole out life advice like he's never thought of the pros and cons of having health insurance.  If that post were directed at me I'd find it pretty condescending.  Hell, I find it condescending anyway.


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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2010, 05:24:53 PM »
It's marginally better than the status quo. It has certain consumer protections in it that have been a long-time coming, but it's a disaster waiting to happen. It absolutely, positively does not address costs - which will go up - and it will be a burden on many.

The whole thing is not sustainable, and I gather we're heading for a massive trainwreck unless we institute a single-payer system, which is why I think this bill got passed - in hopes of fixing it before or after it hits critical mass.

It was a windfall for insurers and Big Pharma. Don't fool yourself that it was real reform.
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« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2010, 05:27:30 PM »
I have no reason to hate this law.

This is distinguished mentally-challenged.

That's when I sit on my mountain of Jew gold while people are sitting in the unemployment line and say, "Hey, I love these tax cuts. I have no reason to hate them." :smug
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« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2010, 05:29:07 PM »
It's easy for Cheebs to be talking shit 'cause he's still living within the safe confines of college life.  While college ain't easy, there're still people looking out for you.  Out there, you're on your own.  

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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2010, 05:29:35 PM »
"I get to stay on my parents' health insurance while I pursue my masters, which they are also paying for.  This is why you, the guy getting fucked over to pay for it, should love this bill!"

Cheebs is putting on a clinic in tone deafness.

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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2010, 05:30:05 PM »
You're abstracting away some very real hardships

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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2010, 05:30:29 PM »
How could the bill have been fixed to keep the mandate but ensure people don't end up in Eel's position and still pass though? I don't see how it would have been possible.

Single payer obviously, but that was not going to happen. We are stuck with the congress we had.

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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2010, 05:36:20 PM »
It absolutely, positively does not address costs - which will go up - and it will be a burden on many.
I thought the whole point of mandatory coverage was to increase the insurance pool, thus lowering costs? 
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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2010, 05:40:05 PM »
It's one thing to support a bill that will create winners and losers cause you think it's an overall net plus.

It's another thing to tell the losers that they should also like it, especially in a way that's dismissive of their grievances, especially in a way that treats them like simpletons ("what if you got cancer?"), especially by citing benefits to other people who already have it easier than them.

Just take a minute to read Eel's post and then read your posts.  You have to see it.



Kestastrophe:  It lowers costs for people who are already insured and paying lots cause of pre-existing conditions or age.  Willco's talking about the overall cost of health care and the growing chunk of the economy it represents.  I disagree with him, but that's what he's saying.

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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2010, 05:42:04 PM »
It's another thing to tell the losers that they should also like it, especially in a way that's dismissive of their grievances, especially in a way that treats them like simpletons ("what if you got cancer?"), especially by citing benefits to other people who already have it easier than them.
I don't think he should have to like it, he has a rather sound reason for not liking it. I just don't think its fair to say its smug to support and praise the law as if there isn't a ton of good in there worth being ecstatic about it's passage. I am more frustrated and tired of always having to defend it (more irl than say here) rather than wanting to rub it in peoples faces which is not the impression I wanted to show by any means. And I fully agree about that comment being stupid which is why I quickly deleted it out of the post. I don't want to be condescending about it at all, I am not in Eels position and don't want to act like I know better about his own problems, because I obviously don't.
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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2010, 05:45:19 PM »
Quote from: Kestastrophe
I thought the whole point of mandatory coverage was to increase the insurance pool, thus lowering costs?

That would be nice. The mandatory coverage is there to prevent folks from gaming the system; it's more or less a gimme for insurance companies that are adopting the consumer protections.

It won't lower any costs, and the insurance industry is already figuring out ways to protect its profit margins.

We got hosed, to be honest. This was a bunch of garbage wrapped up in some nice consumer protections and peddled to Cheebs' and the rest of his Politico pals as health care reform, when it was just a last ditch effort to save Obama's legislative credibility.

The fact is, now that this bill has passed, we will need real reform.
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Re: Angry White People vs. The City of New York
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2010, 05:47:24 PM »
If Meghan McCain had proposed it you'd be singing a different tune.