ULTIMATE Marvel vs Capcom 3: Out now!

[iconoclast]

umm... what's an XF?

X-Factor. Both players can use it once per round. What it does is increase the amount of damage you do, based on how many characters you have left. 3 characters = XF level 1, 2 character XF level 2, 1 character = XF level 3. So if you have XF level 3 with a powerful character, like Sentinel, then you can pretty much wipe out everyone on the other team in one or two combos. It's a stupid "comeback" mechanic.

edit: or that ^

[Robo]

All I see is a lot of 

[Himu]

I'm sure it'll all be ironed out eventually down the line.

[Shaka Khan]

All I see is a lot of 

This.

I saw so much of it that I know it's fine and MUCH better than the first. XF will definitely shock people, but after the initial shock subsides and you learn the ropes of it, you'll know how employ it right and/or punish the cheesers.

[Himu]

Or people will abuse it.

[Shaka Khan]

I've heard as much from my friend who plays in tournaments and played MvC3 all weekend. He doesn't like it much and is actually disappointed. XF sounds fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

That's strange, I've heard the quite opposite from people who play tournaments and played MVC3 for the past three weeks.

Or people will abuse it.

You only use it once, it's not abusable. Will it fuck you up in the ass if you're not careful? absolutely. However, if it turns out to be a real killer, Capcom can easily adjust its properties (activation time/damage bonus) if enough people bitch about it.

[Mr. Gundam]

I kinda want this, but I know that I'll never play it. I loved playing MvC2 on the DC back in college, but I don't think I can get my friends interested in it.

[Robo]

If you're expecting this game to be fair in any way, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I do get some complaints about it being easy-mode, but I think it's still too early to be whining about mid/low-level cheese.  After people get used to it, the game will evolve and that sort of shit will disperse, just as it always does. 

If we get a couple months down the road and it's still a problem, I'm sure Crapcom already has plenty of planned DLC to sell us where they can incorporate some rebalancing as well.

[Shaka Khan]

SRK's wiki is up and it is glorious from the get go; can only get better.

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Marvel_vs_Capcom_3

If you're expecting this game to be fair in any way, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I do get some complaints about it being easy-mode, but I think it's still too early to be whining about mid/low-level cheese.  After people get used to it, the game will evolve and that sort of shit will disperse, just as it always does. 

If we get a couple months down the road and it's still a problem, I'm sure Crapcom already has plenty of planned DLC to sell us where they can incorporate some rebalancing as well.

This cannot be stressed enough.

[iconoclast]

I think X-factor would be fine it didn't have multiple levels and it was just always at a "level 1" power. Being able to wipe out characters with a basic combo just because you activated god mode is distinguished mentally-challenged.

[Shaka Khan]

If only both players could use it

People terrified of XF can save theirs and activate to defend since it also negates chip damage.

[bork]

If Lyte was within proximity right now, I'd totally suck his dick. BJTC!!

 

you got the PS3 version of this game = Sony bias 

But I'm getting it on 360 too!   

I heard this game isn't so hot, that Sentinel is TOO powerful, online sucks, and that XF is pure cheese. Sounds like I won't be taking this online and will be only playing with friends. Shame I'm moving.

LOL.  Everyone thinks character x is too powerful right now.  Nobody has any idea.  The online itself is fine, connection-wise...it's the player lobbies that currently suck, because you can't spectate.  It's supposed to be patched in later AFAIK. 

With X-Factor-- people whined about ultras in SF4, too, for the same reasons.  You get used to it.  It's not something that can be abused, either-- you need to use it at the right time for it to be effective. 

I've heard as much from my friend who plays in tournaments and played MvC3 all weekend. He doesn't like it much and is actually disappointed. XF sounds fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.


Hopefully they fix these issues in a patch.

It's all stuff that you need to try for yourself.  Some people are bitching for no other reason than that the game is new and they can't do the same stuff that they've been doing in MvC2 for the past decade.  It's the same kind of whining that happened when SF4 came out.

All I see is a lot of 

Pretty much.

[iconoclast]

It doesn't matter if both players can use X-factor, it's just a stupid mechanic. It's even worse than Ultras in SF4, since those "only" do 40-50% damage, and you usually have to earn them due to your opponent making a mistake. Here's a fairly extreme example, but it gets the point across:
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Player 2 was clearly out-played for the entire game, but because he activates XF, he kills everyone on the other guy's team with a single combo. How is that a good thing?

[Himu]

Don't worry about it, Icono, it's just QQ.

[Robo]

  Dark Phoenix    Told y'all.

[Bebpo]

It doesn't matter if both players can use X-factor, it's just a stupid mechanic. It's even worse than Ultras in SF4, since those "only" do 40-50% damage, and you usually have to earn them due to your opponent making a mistake. Here's a fairly extreme example, but it gets the point across:
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Player 2 was clearly out-played for the entire game, but because he activates XF, he kills everyone on the other guy's team with a single combo. How is that a good thing?

HOLY FUCK


I mean

HOLY FUCK

Who thought that was a good idea?!?

[iconoclast]

Well that is an extreme example because it's Dark Phoenix (need 5 supers in order to transform into her after dying), but it's not that far from someone like Sentinel annihilating people.

[Bebpo]

Still seems bullshit.  Now everyone is going to put Pheonix on their team and save her for last and not use any supers once they hit lvl.5 so they have a crutch at the end.

[bork]

Icono, I don't doubt that the game is gonna need balancing, but it's not always that easy to get Phoenix to change into Dark Phoenix (you need max super meter) and then do that X-Factor stuff all in one go.  The other player didn't appear to do much to counter anything except for that super with Captain America after his other two characters were taken out.  And we don't know if he also had X-Factor or not.

Dark Phoenix    Told y'all.

I'm a total Marvel noob here, but I'd have to classify her as an expert-level character.  She dies.  FAST.  No health, and if you don't know exactly what you're doing, it's as if you had a two-man team the whole time.

[Shaka Khan]

QQ bitches.

[bork]

Still seems bullshit.  Now everyone is going to put Pheonix on their team and save her for last and not use any supers once they hit lvl.5 so they have a crutch at the end.

Again, she has the lowest health of anyone in the game, and if you don't know what you're doing, she'll be taken out faster than any other character in the game.  We'll have to wait and see what happens once everyone has the game and really gets to play around with things.

[Cravis]

This went from a day 1 purchase to a day 1 rental. I'll try out all the characters, then pick it up when it hits $30 and more DLC characters are released.

[Shaka Khan]

Even XF Dark Phoenix has 420 health, one small combo and she's dead. The only real terror of this game is lvl3 XF Sent.

As I previously said, every complaint regarding the core mechanics, and especially XF, can be easily tuned in a patch. I just hope that Capcom doesn't release a single balance update during the first two months, it's fucking early to call anything right now.

[Don Flamenco]

People wanted a sequel to MVC2 and apparently didn't realize what they were asking for.  This game isn't safe, slow, or super fine tune balanced for maximum fairness.  People have already been saying that there's gonna be a huge, salty backlash against it.  It's not gonna be SSFIV where all kinds of deep fighting game theory is gonna be applied to figure shit out.  People are gonna find broken tactics, then exploit the hell out of them until other people figure out how to counter it.  With any luck, more than a handful of characters will be viable for tourney play a year from now.  

But good news!  everyone's on the same page with this game.  you can contribute by figuring shit out and playing competitively to show off your knowledge or you can be an armchair daigo and pass judgment after watching one youtube video of a guy pulling off a successful Phoenix rushdown against someone who was obviously frozen up in the corner and trying the wrong tactics to counter her.  

[Himu]

No one is being an armchair daigo, we're just fucking discussing it. Jeez. Pretty much all of us are still getting the game and likely going to play the fuck out of it. Stop being so fucking defensive.

In any case, I'm sure these issues will be ironed out eventually anyways.

[Shaka Khan]

Nobody is being defensive, we're just trying to calm down the hysterical drama queens, they're everywhere and not just here, and so few of them even HAVE the game.

[Himu]

I don't think anybody is being a drama queen on this issue, as it's certainly worth discussing.

[Shaka Khan]

So you think everyone is being reasonable, not exaggerating, even before having the game? I don't think anyone can discuss it until they put some time into the game and experience it first hand. All I see right now is people describing a Marvel vs game.

[Don Flamenco]

No one is being an armchair daigo

really---

Still seems bullshit.  Now everyone is going to put Pheonix on their team and save her for last and not use any supers once they hit lvl.5 so they have a crutch at the end.

This went from a day 1 purchase to a day 1 rental.

 It doesn't matter if both players can use X-factor, it's just a stupid mechanic.

HOLY FUCK


I mean

HOLY FUCK

Who thought that was a good idea?!?

Player 2 was clearly out-played for the entire game, but because he activates XF, he kills everyone on the other guy's team with a single combo. How is that a good thing?

I've heard as much from my friend who plays in tournaments and played MvC3 all weekend. He doesn't like it much and is actually disappointed. XF sounds fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

Hopefully they fix these issues in a patch.

I heard this game isn't so hot, that Sentinel is TOO powerful, online sucks, and that XF is pure cheese. Sounds like I won't be taking this online and will be only playing with friends. Shame I'm moving.

looks like a lot of QQing based on a few vids from people who have been playing for one or two days.  I'm just trying to "fucking discuss it" too by saying people are freaking out a little early and need to put this game in perspective before they dismiss it, but whatever, I can't control it!

[Himu]

For the record, I was just saying what my friend said after a weekend of playing the game, not looking at youtube vids.

Sounds like you're being overly defensive to me.

And only one person has dismissed it.

[Shaka Khan]

I can't control it! is an awesome meme.

[iconoclast]

I like how you're not allowed to dislike anything about a game until you experience it first hand.

[Shaka Khan]

Oh, you're allowed, we'll just not take you seriously until you do.

[Himu]

I guess SSX: Deadly Descents has potential to be the best game ever then.

[Raban]

I guess SSX: Deadly Descents has potential to be the best game ever then.

Yep.

[Shaka Khan]

May very well be.

[Trent Dole]

Wait, people are surprised and angry that a MvsC game is unbalanced?

[Raban]

Wait, people are surprised and angry that a MvsC game is unbalanced?

Didn't Spooky just come out and say if you're an SF fan going into this game, you'll probably hate it at first glance? This isn't a high-class fighting game, it's Marvel, baby.

[demi]

casual fighting games

[iconoclast]

  It has nothing to do with balance. It's how easy it is to completely steamroll someone due a mechanic that exists solely to create "comebacks."

This is a real comeback
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Oh, you're allowed, we'll just not take you seriously until you do.

Okay, so no one can have any opinions about a game until it's actually released - positive or negative. Gotcha.

[Shaka Khan]

Ehhh, whatever guys, knock yourself out lol.

[Raban]

This is a real comeback
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Damnit, Yipes, why you so cocky.

[Robo]

I still don't buy it.  Coming back with one guy and no assists can't be as easy as you're making it out to be.  Level 3 X-Factor or not, you're at a significant disadvantage if the other guy still has his teammates.  And what's stopping the other dude from saving and activating theirs when the time is right?  Sounds like folks just haven't figured out how to deal with the system yet or simply aren't paying attention to it until it's too late.

[Don Flamenco]

It has nothing to do with balance. It's how easy it is to completely steamroll someone due a mechanic that exists solely to create "comebacks."

This is a real comeback
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Oh, you're allowed, we'll just not take you seriously until you do.

Okay, so no one can have any opinions about a game until it's actually released - positive or negative. Gotcha.

Holy shit look how broken cyclops is.  Hope Capcom releases a balance patch for MVC2 to fix that shit.

[Raban]

I still don't buy it.  Coming back with one guy and no assists can't be as easy as you're making it out to be.  Level 3 X-Factor or not, you're at a significant disadvantage if the other guy still has his teammates.  And what's stopping the other dude from saving and activating theirs when the time is right?  Sounds like folks just haven't figured out how to deal with the system yet or simply aren't paying attention to it until it's too late.

Considering that Sentinel can knock out 40% of your stamina in chip during X-Factor lv. 3, I'd say it's a tad broken. I refuse to criticize the game for that, but there's no question it's a little fucked up.

It'd be interesting to see how X-Factor would work if it removed your ability to block while you were in it.

[Shaka Khan]

That's why the best way to defend against XF is to use XF. Simple as that.

Example: If that dude from the video still had his XF, Phoenix would've been toast. At the very least Cap's hyper alone would've killed her.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

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[iconoclast]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'll still love MvC3 and play it for many many many many hours once I get it tomorrow. It'll probably be my favorite game of 2011, aside from Dark Souls. I just see something that I don't like with X-factor. Almost every one of my favorite games have things that I do not like, but I'm not going to overlook those flaws because they're the bestest games evar.

I still don't buy it.  Coming back with one guy and no assists can't be as easy as you're making it out to be.  Level 3 X-Factor or not, you're at a significant disadvantage if the other guy still has his teammates.  And what's stopping the other dude from saving and activating theirs when the time is right?  Sounds like folks just haven't figured out how to deal with the system yet or simply aren't paying attention to it until it's too late.

Sure, it's not like you activate X-factor and then you win the game, you still need to do some work. But if you land one combo on someone's character, they can kiss their ass goodbye. Look at how much work Wong needed to do in that MvC2 video to win: he landed 7 or 8 supers while making almost zero mistakes along the way, all while punishing Yipes for every single mistake he made. No artificial comeback mechanic was necessary.

[Raban]

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Thanks.

And I'm sure every fighting game fan on this board is in agreement, regardless of their personal qualms, that we must buy this game to support the fighting genre. Anybody who calls himself a fighting game fan and doesn't pay $60 for this game should die.

demi buying 3 copies

[Don Flamenco]

"it's just....you're gonna die."  --Sp00ky on learning mvc3

[Raban]

So Lyte are we gonna do some Bore tourney business on Marvel this year?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

stream is up

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[Raban]

My dick just exploded. This game looks so S-rank.

[Raban]

I think Dante's devil trigger in MvC3 is from DMC2

[Raban]

Whoa, there aren't separate punch and kick buttons? Hmm

[Don Flamenco]

I don't mean to sound all pro tourney player because I'm not and I'm sure Icono will get better than me at this game in a minute.  I just don't think the game or any of its mechanics are really ripe for judgment yet.  It's not COD or some regular game where you pretty much know what you're going to get day 1...just look at SFIV-- who saw Rufus beasting tourneys around that game's release?   Nobody has any idea what this game will be like in a month.

[demi]

I did. I always rooted for the fat guy. Now show some respect to your fellow fatties. Cause it may be YOU who is bent over

[drew]

I did. I always rooted for the fat guy. Now show some respect to your fellow fatties. Cause it may be YOU who is bent over

why do i have to read this stupid shtick every goddamn day when you don't have to even read what i am typing right now

[Raban]

I did. I always rooted for the fat guy. Now show some respect to your fellow fatties. Cause it may be YOU who is bent over

why do i have to read this stupid shtick every goddamn day when you don't have to even read what i am typing right now

Because you suck?

[demi]

I'm charming and enjoyable to be around. Dont be such a moody fudgepacker. Haw haw

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