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Kara

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« Reply #27240 on: March 11, 2015, 08:07:11 PM »
Nothing lifts the spirits like reading old winding up letters to investors.

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While REDACTED wasn't a financial success, I think all parties would agree that the product was profoundly innovative and if market conditions had been friendlier, it could have created an entirely new category in our industry.

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« Reply #27241 on: March 11, 2015, 08:09:37 PM »
It's always "I was lost and my life sucked and then I found God"
It's never "Everything was fucking awesome and then I found God"
Clearly you've never been mormon.
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« Reply #27242 on: March 15, 2015, 08:41:28 AM »
A few minutes at the local main station really help with the fear of whether you're a weird person, in the grand scheme of things...

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« Reply #27243 on: March 16, 2015, 08:25:38 AM »
A few minutes at the local main station really help with the fear of whether you're a weird person, in the grand scheme of things...

DMV, too.

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« Reply #27244 on: March 16, 2015, 09:07:07 AM »
Closing on our condo tomorrow!


We were in there yesterday looking to make sure that stuff they were to supposed to fix was in working order.  Looks good.  I'm finally gonna have a room to put all my nerd shit in again!  :hyper
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« Reply #27245 on: March 16, 2015, 10:44:03 AM »
What's Kara's opinion on David Foster Wallace?

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« Reply #27246 on: March 16, 2015, 11:21:28 AM »
Closing on our condo tomorrow!
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We were in there yesterday looking to make sure that stuff they were to supposed to fix was in working order.  Looks good.  I'm finally gonna have a room to put all my nerd shit in again!  :hyper

Grats!

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« Reply #27247 on: March 16, 2015, 11:26:10 AM »
Closing on our condo tomorrow!
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We were in there yesterday looking to make sure that stuff they were to supposed to fix was in working order.  Looks good.  I'm finally gonna have a room to put all my nerd shit in again!  :hyper

You clear that up with the Mrs? My money is on your shit being in a closet while she turns the extra room into something incredibly useless to men like a ready room.

Just saying I had grand plans for a pimped out office in my old house that got moved to the basement.
YMMV

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« Reply #27248 on: March 16, 2015, 11:30:41 AM »
You clear that up with the Mrs? My money is on your shit being in a closet while she turns the extra room into something incredibly useless to men like a ready room.

Just saying I had grand plans for a pimped out office in my old house that got moved to the basement.

Did I clear it?  Shit no, I said "THIS IS GONNA BE MY ROOM."   :punch

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Cuz, you know, she pretty much gets the rest of the place.   :(
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There's a smaller-sized sun room that's going to be her room to use for whatever.  She doesn't have a bunch of crap like I do and just wants a spot to relax.

Closing on our condo tomorrow!
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We were in there yesterday looking to make sure that stuff they were to supposed to fix was in working order.  Looks good.  I'm finally gonna have a room to put all my nerd shit in again!  :hyper

Grats!

Thanks! 
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« Reply #27249 on: March 16, 2015, 02:22:58 PM »
Went to the St. Patrick's day parade and I overheard someone say, "What is it with black people and Sonic?"

I didn't have the heart to tell them what white people do with Sonic.
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« Reply #27250 on: March 16, 2015, 02:26:55 PM »
Went to the St. Patrick's day parade and I overheard someone say, "What is it with black people and Sonic?"

I didn't have the heart to tell them what white people do with Sonic.

Sonic like the hedgehog or Sonic the restaurant? Because I can fuck with some sonic food, that's for sure.
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« Reply #27251 on: March 16, 2015, 02:28:03 PM »
What's Kara's opinion on David Foster Wallace?

I don't understand how someone who worked at the Claremont Colleges could commit suicide. Upland is literally right across the street!

Seriously doe, I think he was a victim of his times and was drawn into writing below his capabilities to fit in with prevailing literary trends. Jest is no Pale Fire, or even a Lot 49.

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« Reply #27252 on: March 16, 2015, 02:29:35 PM »
Went to the St. Patrick's day parade and I overheard someone say, "What is it with black people and Sonic?"

I didn't have the heart to tell them what white people do with Sonic.

Sonic like the hedgehog or Sonic the restaurant? Because I can fuck with some sonic food, that's for sure.
A black guy had just walked by wearing a Sonic the hedgehog tshirt.
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« Reply #27253 on: March 16, 2015, 02:41:35 PM »
Went to the St. Patrick's day parade and I overheard someone say, "What is it with black people and Sonic?"

I didn't have the heart to tell them what white people do with Sonic.

Sonic like the hedgehog or Sonic the restaurant? Because I can fuck with some sonic food, that's for sure.
A black guy had just walked by wearing a Sonic the hedgehog tshirt.

Oh that kind of black guy. I dunno, ask PD.
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« Reply #27254 on: March 16, 2015, 05:05:10 PM »
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« Reply #27255 on: March 16, 2015, 06:12:17 PM »
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« Reply #27256 on: March 16, 2015, 06:18:15 PM »
my weekend was just one big 3 day binge with friends :aah

best time of my life tbqh
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« Reply #27257 on: March 16, 2015, 06:25:50 PM »
What's Kara's opinion on David Foster Wallace?

I don't understand how someone who worked at the Claremont Colleges could commit suicide. Upland is literally right across the street!

Seriously doe, I think he was a victim of his times and was drawn into writing below his capabilities to fit in with prevailing literary trends. Jest is no Pale Fire, or even a Lot 49.

you reckon? iirc he says he felt a lot of the contemporary pomo stuff (in the 90s) was written for critics to wank over and he found it unfun, maybe he settled on a style to avoid that?

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« Reply #27258 on: March 16, 2015, 06:41:39 PM »
my weekend was just one big 3 day binge with friends :aah

best time of my life tbqh

But that dry cleaning bill, amirite?

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« Reply #27259 on: March 16, 2015, 07:46:50 PM »
My aunt-in law (if that's a thing) is a lesbian and I swear looking at her facebook posts I wish I could be a lesbian. Concerts, skiing, wine drinking, hot tubs, vacations to Florida and that's just one week. None of my straight friends have such a fun life.
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« Reply #27260 on: March 16, 2015, 08:14:47 PM »
My aunt-in law (if that's a thing) is a lesbian and I swear looking at her facebook posts I wish I could be a lesbian. Concerts, skiing, wine drinking, hot tubs, vacations to Florida and that's just one week. None of my straight friends have such a fun life.

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« Reply #27261 on: March 16, 2015, 11:43:33 PM »
My kid is sick and I went to the store to get some juice and stuff and I see the cashier (a cute Asian chick) has a tattoo of the Hylian crest on her forearm. I say, "You a fan of zelda?"

She said, "Yeah I've loved it ever since the first game. What was it? Oh yeah, Ocarina of time."

I gave her a :comeon

Not only get a tattoo from a videogame series, but get one that you obviously don't know very well brehs.
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« Reply #27262 on: March 17, 2015, 12:24:11 AM »
you reckon? iirc he says he felt a lot of the contemporary pomo stuff (in the 90s) was written for critics to wank over and he found it unfun, maybe he settled on a style to avoid that?

I hate to borrow from a brocialist heartthrob who handwaves pogroms perpetrated against Romani, but Zizek once said something like, "We feel free because we lack the words to convey our lack of freedom." I think that more than any other of the "high" postmodernists, this phrase is acutely applicable to Wallace's work.

The footnoting in Jest, for example, provides a great vehicle to talk about how contemporary society fragments thought and prevents the formation of (I use this only in a metaphorical sense) existential narratives. Instead it just sort of breaks up the narrative and doesn't efficiently perform its aesthetic and philosophical purpose(s).

If a teen came up to me and said, "Citoyen Karakand, I'm on my way home to read Infinite Jest!" I'd look around for unmarked police vans, then put on my best marxoteen face and say, "Just read Society of the Spectacle instead kid, you'll thank me later."

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« Reply #27263 on: March 17, 2015, 12:29:08 AM »
Zizek  :yuck

I wonder if BA's ever written about him. Probably too beneath him to engage that garbage.

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« Reply #27264 on: March 17, 2015, 12:30:20 AM »
Contribute to the collapse of your country's Communist government and then become a pop culture Stalinist y'all.

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« Reply #27265 on: March 17, 2015, 12:40:30 AM »
I once had a seminar in which one of the books was one of his more lucid affairs (Violence I think) and still nobody could discuss what any of it was supposed to mean. The professor seemed to think it had something to do with normalization of violence which sounds good, but there was like a 30 page diatribe about Coca-Cola and something about how banks have money so violence is caused by banks withholding money by giving loans to third world countries instead of the people.

And I'm sure that Violence is yet another of his cobbled together books from all his other writings.

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« Reply #27266 on: March 17, 2015, 01:13:48 AM »
I know nothing about Foer but:
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Harry Siegel of the New York Press, titled an article on Foer "Extremely Cloying and Incredibly False", highlighting the flaws in his style: "Foer is supposed to be our new Philip Roth, though his fortune-cookie syllogisms and pointless illustrations and typographical tricks don't at all match up to or much resemble Roth even at his most inane."

http://www.nypress.com/extremely-cloying-incredibly-false/
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To be fair, such neglect might be in Foer's best interests, since the book is an Oprah-etic paean to innocence and verbosity as embodied by Foer's latest saintly stand-in (there was a character named Jonathan Safran Foer in Everything Is Illuminated), nine-year-old Oskar Schell, who has a business card, speaks French, walks the city at odd hours by himself, writes letters to Stephen Hawking and other luminaries, knows more facts than any of the adults he speaks with, flirts with women, is a vegan, an atheist and otherwise equal parts unbelievable and unbearable. Foer, I should note, is a Jewish atheist, wrote letters to Susan Sontag when he was nine, and otherwise sounds like he'd make unbearable company, though perhaps not as much as the obnoxiously precocious, overeducated brat Schell. If Foer is beginning to sound like a minor Saul Bellow character (think the masturbating uncle in Mr. Sammler's Planet), he has only himself to blame. The child compulsively invents. ("Another good thing would be if I could train my anus to talk when it farted" in the first paragraph, and so on for the next 200 pages.) Schell narrates much of the book, and Foer's proxy is fond of such figures of speech as "heavy boots" for depression (at least 15 times) and "VJs" for vaginas, alongside lengthier banal incantations such as, "I gave myself a bruise" and, worst of all, "zipping myself into the sleeping bag of myself."
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 Eventually, the Schnells' stories converge into one absurdly convenient superstory, saturated with meaning, from which we learn such lessons as, "You cannot protect yourself from sadness without also protecting yourself from happiness," "'I do not want to hurt you, he said' 'It hurts me when you do not want to hurt me,' I told him," and "I spent my life learning to feel less." And those quotes are all from one, not unrepresentative page.
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And then the flipbook, which, like the other illustrations, serves no purpose but to remind us that this is an important book, and what a daring young author this Foer is, offering us authenticity, a favorite word of his. In an interview, he explained that "Jay-Z samples from Annieone of the least likely combinations imaginableand it changes music. What if novelists were as willing to borrow?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/05/a-bag-of-tired-tricks/303913/
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On the whole, however, the reaction to the book was more interesting than the book itself. Marie Arana, of The Washington Post, promised that Everything Is Illuminated would make readers feel "altered, chastened—seared in the fire of something new," while The Times of London said, "It's a new kind of novel [and] after it things will never be the same." A reviewer in The Vancouver Sun let it be known, presumably by jiggling his eyeballs at an intern, that he was "frozen by excitement" and "dumbstruck with amazement and joy." Joyce Carol Oates and Jeffrey Eugenides loved the novel, as did The New York Times, which gave it two rave reviews. The novelist and critic Dale Peck said admiring things too, thus making one wonder if his attack on Rick Moody's similar style in 2002 hadn't been actuated by personal animus after all. The San Francisco Chronicle, Time, The New York Observer—the unanimity of the praise was as extraordinary as its almost giddy tone.

But these days a novel can be called a masterpiece without even being regarded as consistently good, and most of Foer's reviewers conceded—albeit with the air of someone noting an erratum in the table of contents—that one of the book's two narrators had done little more than make them yearn for the other. There was also a consensus that the last few dozen pages were unfortunate.

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Which part? This is Francine Prose, writing in The New York Times:
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It's hard to get through the first chapters of Everything Is Illuminated. The problem is, you keep laughing out loud, losing your place, starting again, then stopping because you're tempted to call your friends and read them long sections of Jonathan Safran Foer's assured, hilarious prose.

Before anyone accuses me of seeking out the least hilarious example of this writing, here is the opening passage, which was quoted by Prose and many others:
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My legal name is Alexander Perchov. But all of my many friends dub me Alex, because that is a more flaccid-to-utter version of my legal name. Mother dubs me Alexi-stop-spleening-me!, because I am always spleening her. If you want to know why I am always spleening her, it is because I am always elsewhere with friends, and disseminating so much currency … I have a miniature brother who dubs me Alli … Father dubs him Clumsy One, because he is always promenading into things. It was only four days previous that he made his eye blue from a mismanagement with a brick wall.
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What may hurt the book even with its intended audience are the various diversions that both writer and publisher seem to have thought would constitute a selling point. Some pages are filled with numbers, some with illegible tangles of print; there are pages with galley corrections circled in red, and a page with the words "green," "purple," and "blue" printed in the appropriate colors. There are big black-and-white photos: a doorknob, the back of someone's head, the back of someone else's head, a pair of mating tortoises. One page is blank but for the words "Ha ha ha" printed dead-center, while another says, and with a less sincere ring, "I'm sorry." At the end are eleven consecutive photographs of a man falling from what appears to be one of the World Trade Center's towers; when the pages are flipped through, the body looks as if it is rising. Never mind the poor taste; never mind the story about losing a father and finding a grandfather, which would elicit sneers from critics if the cover had The Key on it and Nicholas Sparks's name underneath. The remarkable thing is that a substantial part of the book is designed to be only glanced at. If this is a new trend in "alternative" fiction, I would like to see it encouraged.

Well, okay then.

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« Reply #27267 on: March 17, 2015, 01:19:39 AM »
Witold Gombrowicz wrote not one but two books where a character was named Witold Gombrowicz. Get on my level, Anglophone peasants. :ufup

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« Reply #27268 on: March 17, 2015, 01:48:48 AM »
http://revcom.us/a/256/vilifying_communism_and_accommodating_imperialism-en.html
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The Sham and Shame of Slavoj Žižek's "Honest Pessimism"
by Raymond Lotta
The December 2011-January 2012 issue of The Platypus Review features an interview with philosopher and cultural theorist Slavoj Žižek.1 It is a fusillade of distortion of the historical experience of revolution and socialism in the 20th century, accompanied by an egregiously uninformed and unprincipled attack on Bob Avakian's new synthesis of communism.

Žižek's musings about communism are dressed up as new and nuanced thinking, but on display is a rather old and clunky anti-communism of a piece with the dominant bourgeois narrative of communism as "failure" and "horror." Žižek portrays himself as "anti-capitalist," but on parade are apologetics for capitalist-imperialism.

This is the fruit of what Slavoj Žižek calls his "honest pessimism."

In what follows, I respond to Žižek's central claims and misrepresentations. But at the outset I call on Slavoj Žižek to take part in a public debate with me about the nature of imperialism, and the history and prospects of the communist project.

http://platypus1917.org/2011/12/01/occupy-movement-interview-with-slavoj-zizek/
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SŽ: I know of the group of Bob Avakian, the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. But are they authentically Maoists? I’ve argued with them. I almost become a bourgeois liberal with them. I even wrote a short introduction to one of Avakian’s books.[1] But, for all their talk of the “new synthesis,” there is no theoretical substance: It doesn’t do the work. They always have the answers: no questions, only answers. They have a manifesto for exactly what they will do when they take power. But when you press them with the questions of, will there be a mass working class movement that you will coordinate, will you win elections, what? For them, somehow they take power, and then they have a problem. They are precisely the “perverts,” I would say. Lacan has a good formulation: The pervert is the instrument of the other’s desire. A pervert is the one who knows better than you what you really want. They always have the answers: never the questions, only the answers. They are not a danger but an annoyance. They pretend to have the answers, but totally without anything substantial. Also, more in detail, they’ve disputed with me concrete historical, dramatic events in China, not only the Cultural Revolution, but also, in the late 1950s: the Great Leap Forward. Their answer is that these are merely the portrayals of “bourgeois propaganda.” Now, some archives are opened, and they do demonstrate that it was a mega-tragedy, the Great Leap Forward, what happened there. But, crucially, for the Left, we need to deal with our heritage. I don’t like the Left that has the attitude that, “Yes, Stalinism was bad. But look at the horrors of colonialism!” Yes, I agree there are the problems of neo-colonialism, post-colonialism, etc. But the problem with the Stalinist 20th century, even now, with all the liberal and conservative critiques, is that we don’t have a good account of what really happened. What we get is quick generalizations. You look for philosophical origins. You say, “Rousseau. This is a direct consequence of such an approach.”

Here I am very critical of Adorno and Horkheimer in Dialectic of Enlightenment. They are an extreme example. They address fascism. Look, I’ve done my homework. But you will notice that the Frankfurt School almost totally ignores Stalinism—despite Marcuse’s Soviet Marxism. But there is no true theory of Stalinism. They think that the totalitarian potentials that exploded in the 20th century started already with the most primitive logic of manipulation of matter, the philosophy of identity, etc. I don’t think that this really works, the philosophical approach to establishing some transcendental matrix that explains the possibility for 20th century events. The task is still ahead. With all the horrors of the 20th century, the liberals’ account is insufficient. It remains for the Left to explain this.

http://revcom.us/a/298/the-slavoj-zizek-raymond-lotta-debate-en.html
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The Slavoj Žižek – Raymond Lotta Debate
On the History and Prospects for Communist Revolution
March 17, 2013 | Revolution Newspaper | revcom.us
 
The World Is a Horror – Is Bob Avakian's Reenvisioned Communism The Answer?

Monday, April 15, 2013, New York City, 6-9 pm
Columbia University—Altschul Auditorium
International Affairs Building, Rm 417
(enter at Amsterdam &117th, below the underpass)

On April 15 at Columbia University in New York City, Slavoj Žižek and Raymond Lotta will engage in a great debate "on the history and prospects of communist revolution." Slavoj Žižek is a prominent philosopher and social theorist. Raymond Lotta is a political economist and advocate for Bob Avakian's new synthesis of communism.

In January 2012, Slavoj Žižek launched an attack on the Revolutionary Communist Party and Bob Avakian in an interview in the Platypus journal. In response, Raymond Lotta wrote a polemic in Revolution and challenged Žižek to a public debate. Žižek accepted. And the debate is on.

At its heart, this is a debate between the world as it is and the radically different world represented and made possible by Bob Avakian's new synthesis of communism.
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ANNOUNCEMENT: ZIZEK-LOTTA DEBATE POSTPONED UNTIL FALL

Slavoj Zizek has announced that, owing to unforeseen circumstances, he has had to cancel his entire trip to the United States and all public appearances until October. This includes the April 15 Slavoj Zizek-Raymond Lotta Debate on the History and Prospects for Communist Revolution. Tickets already purchased will be refunded. Revolution Books ( http://www.revolutionbooksnyc.org/) will post information on rescheduling and other issues related to the debate.

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Lotta "asking a question" at some other Zizek thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEuV7DMKess&t=35m44s

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by attacking bob avakian you are helping the reactionaries willingly or unwillingly. Badiou and Zizek are promoted in the academia by the bourgeoisie, and most so called radical french philosophy was promoted specially to combat marxism. the bourgeoisie found they could not match Marxism theoretically, so they promoted people like zizek and badiou to pretend they are marxists, leninists and maoists. it is very telling that Zizek refuses to publicly debate Bob Avakian’s New synthesis with Raymond Lotta:

http://revcom.us/a/260/lotta-challenge-to-zizek-en.html

I would go so far to suggest that the existence of people like Badiou and Zizek is stop people reading and discussing a true revolutionary intellectual and leader, Bob Avakian. I hope that people who read this article will also go on to read Bob Avakian, the great leader and thinker of the world proleteriat.
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Otto: can you prove this assertion? I will your claim when it is posted, but i dont believe it. there are third world reactionaries posing as revolutionaries who want to try and destroy Avakian's influence on the movement.

Gary Leupp: you assume that Zizek would 'destroy' Lotta. I dont think so. Zizek is running chickenshit scared of debating with Lotta, and you know it. also, dealing with a concrete situation-Nepal. are not the rcp usa letters to the cpn m absolutely correct regarding the change of line? Kasama didnt get it right, and still doesn't, they are still pretending there is a revolution in nepal. Mike Ely wrote: 'November 19 Nepal's revolution reemerges' http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/november-19-nepal-s-revolution-reemerges-support-their-moves-for-liberation
but this is pure fantasy.
also Gary, why do you have a personal crusade against Avakian? why are you so obsessed with Avakian? There is nothing of substance in your accusations.

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« Reply #27269 on: March 17, 2015, 01:55:08 AM »
"Bob Avakian, the great leader and thinker of the world proletariat"

 :lol I swear to scientific socialism it's hard not to think you're being trolled whenever you go down this rabbit hole.

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« Reply #27270 on: March 17, 2015, 01:57:08 AM »
"I'm a political economist and advocate for Bob Avakian's New Synthesis." I'm totally using this irl during icebreakers. :bow2

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« Reply #27271 on: March 17, 2015, 02:02:24 AM »
Witold Gombrowicz wrote not one but two books where a character was named Witold Gombrowicz. Get on my level, Anglophone peasants. :ufup

He was probably getting paid by the letter.
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« Reply #27272 on: March 17, 2015, 02:11:07 AM »
:lol I swear to scientific socialism it's hard not to think you're being trolled whenever you go down this rabbit hole.
"I'm a political economist and advocate for Bob Avakian's New Synthesis." I'm totally using this irl during icebreakers. :bow2
I know I've been joking about repeating "synthesis", but in the second video I swear Lotta says "synthesis" like 30 times in two minutes increasingly so as he describes whatever he's describing as if it makes it clearer and would make people just see how he's right.

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« Reply #27273 on: March 17, 2015, 04:06:51 AM »
I know you float on a fringe + read lunatic fringe writing for personal amusement, but Avakianites are so crazy the people I know who think the Holodomor happened because kulaks burned their own crops out of spite or the death statistics from the Great Leap Forward are all faulty (not just the higher total ones) because they just looked at census records pre and post-Leap think they're worth mocking. EVEN THEY think they're lunatics. :lol

The only group I can think of that give them a run for their money are the Workers' Bomb crowd. :rofl

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« Reply #27274 on: March 17, 2015, 04:19:56 AM »
Reminded me to check in on SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT and they have a new book out from this Lotta guy:
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eBook on the Truth about the Communist Revolution and the REAL Path to Emancipation

http://www.insight-press.com/site/epage/151597_664.htm
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Raymond Lotta's research and argumentation, particularly about the Russian revolution and the Chinese Cultural Revolution, demonstrate forcefully once again that a better world for humanity is indeed possible. Anybody who does not want to witness the slow but sure destruction of our environment, and our humanity as well should find inspiration from Lotta's book.

       —Dongping Han, author of The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village
 
 
Everything you "know" about the revolution is untrue. You need to surf the first wave and get on board for the next rising tide. Lotta offers a book that sets sail towards that horizon with unflinching commitment to the better future that we need.

           —John Hutnyk, author of Pantomime Terror: Music and Politics and Bad Marxism: Capitalism and Cultural Studies

...the book is well worth reading. In evaluating the century of communist revolutions from the 1870s to the 1970s, it provides a timely reminder for those who lived through the Cultural Revolution years and lights a beacon for younger people searching for new paradigms of change, by documenting the inspiring creativity, born of the conscious activism of millions of people, that offered a totally different framework for evaluating deep social problems-and a radically different solution, as well.
        —a China Historian
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In a wide-ranging, provocative, and richly detailed interview, Raymond Lotta, a political economist and expert in the history of communism, guides the reader through the "first wave" of socialist revolutions: the Paris Commune of 1871, the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917-56, and the Chinese revolution of 1949-76.

This is the real history and a penetrating analysis of what these revolutions and their leadership actually set out to do, the liberating economic, social, and cultural transformations brought about, and the shortcomings as well. How did the lives of women radically change? How did revolution attack the oppression of minority nationalities? This book will show you.

It also sails straight into the face of controversy. It addresses the important historical role of Stalin, the slanders directed at the Great Leap Forward and Mao's Cultural Revolution in China, and the wrong ways that people in U.S. society have been trained to think about society, the world, and revolution.

Lotta examines why these revolutions ultimately met defeat. But he also explains why it is possible, drawing the right lessons, to go further and do better in a new stage of revolution. In this, he introduces the reader to Bob Avakian's new synthesis of communism.

At once rigorous and accessible, the book is an unparalleled resource. The world cries out for fundamental change-yet people are told there is no alternative. Raymond Lotta makes the case that "the whole history of communism thus far shows that the world does not have to be this way."
One of the chapter titles is "The Cultural Revolution: The Furthest Advance of Human Emancipation Yet"
 :dead <-Soviet revisionist

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« Reply #27275 on: March 17, 2015, 04:24:26 AM »
Pantomime Terror: Music and Politics and Bad Marxism: Capitalism and Cultural Studies

how is this a book, like how did even pathfinder press think this was a good title

e: insight press, EXCUSE me

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« Reply #27276 on: March 17, 2015, 04:32:27 AM »
Looks like it was actually published by Zero Books:
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Pantomime is a theatrical form that has come to rule our everyday lives as terror. In the early years of the 21st century, a dissembling political demonology has sometimes placed otherwise merely lyrical musicians in a volatile predicament. The discussion here is of Fun-da-Mental's Aki Nawaz portrayed as a 'suicide rapper', Asian Dub Foundation striking poses from the street in support of youth in Paris and Algiers, and M.I.A., born free fighting immigration crackdown with atrocity video. Along the way, bus bombs, comedy circuits, critical theory, Arabian Nights, Bradley Wiggins, Dinarzade, Karl Marx, Paris boulevards, Molotov, Mao, the Eiffel Tower, reserve armies, lists, Richard Wagner, Samina Malik, Slavoj Žižek, Freudian slips, red-heads, Guantanamo. The book offers some sharp critiques of our contemporary complacency, and the failures of theory as more than ten years of war on terror turns anxiety at home and drone-strike assassinations abroad into a normal everyday. This pantomime is a terror story told over and over to distract from the workings of a despotic power. The need for an adequate (winning) counter-narrative was never more clear.

He's also the author of Dis-Orienting Rhythms: The Politics of the New Asian Dance Music
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Blurring the boundaries between academic and cultural production, this book produces a new understanding of the world significance of South Asian culture in multi-racist societies. One of the first sustained attempts to situate such production within the study of race and identity, it uncovers the crucial role that contemporary South Asian dance music has played in the formation of a new urban cultural politics.

The book opens by positing new theoretical understandings of South Asian cultural representation that move beyond essentialist ethnicity in the cultural studies literature. Contributors narrate the formation of South Asian expressive culture coming emerging from the highly charged context of UK Black politics. Part three assumes the task of historical recovery, looking at the antecedents of political South Asian musical performance, autonomous anti-racist organising and problems of alliance with the white Left. Part four engages with the movements and translations of cultural productions across the world - not just in Britain or South Asia, but also Canada, North America, Fiji, Malaysia, Australia, West Africa, Europe, but particularly in the fractured spaces of a postcolonial Britain in decline.

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« Reply #27278 on: March 17, 2015, 08:25:21 AM »
you reckon? iirc he says he felt a lot of the contemporary pomo stuff (in the 90s) was written for critics to wank over and he found it unfun, maybe he settled on a style to avoid that?

I hate to borrow from a brocialist heartthrob who handwaves pogroms perpetrated against Romani, but Zizek once said something like, "We feel free because we lack the words to convey our lack of freedom." I think that more than any other of the "high" postmodernists, this phrase is acutely applicable to Wallace's work.

The footnoting in Jest, for example, provides a great vehicle to talk about how contemporary society fragments thought and prevents the formation of (I use this only in a metaphorical sense) existential narratives. Instead it just sort of breaks up the narrative and doesn't efficiently perform its aesthetic and philosophical purpose(s).

If a teen came up to me and said, "Citoyen Karakand, I'm on my way home to read Infinite Jest!" I'd look around for unmarked police vans, then put on my best marxoteen face and say, "Just read Society of the Spectacle instead kid, you'll thank me later."
haha that zizek quote sounds like a tainted version of something wittgenstein said. fwiw i enjoyed infinite jest but that's the only dfw thing i've read

I once had a seminar in which one of the books was one of his more lucid affairs (Violence I think) and still nobody could discuss what any of it was supposed to mean. The professor seemed to think it had something to do with normalization of violence which sounds good, but there was like a 30 page diatribe about Coca-Cola and something about how banks have money so violence is caused by banks withholding money by giving loans to third world countries instead of the people.

And I'm sure that Violence is yet another of his cobbled together books from all his other writings.

there's a clip on youtube of chomsky shitting on zizek and french intellectuals for basically being vapid posers

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« Reply #27279 on: March 17, 2015, 08:40:29 AM »
there's a clip on youtube of chomsky shitting on zizek and french intellectuals for basically being vapid posers
Looks like there's a few. The one I'm listening to was posted by Georg Hegel. I don't know if it's the Georg Hegel or not.

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« Reply #27280 on: March 17, 2015, 09:11:33 AM »
yeah i think that's the one, it's not very long and he says something along the lines of zizek and lacan & co. are just posturing charlatans with no actual substance

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« Reply #27281 on: March 17, 2015, 09:19:00 AM »
There's a funny aspect to Chomsky criticizing someone's work with "if you can't explain it to a 12 year old in five minutes." It seems like the host really wants Chomsky to confirm Zizek is awesome.

Zizek's side is hilarious, it's how I imagine his books read before editing. Just jumps randomly from topic to topic to reference to the first topic and so on and so on and so on and then having to be cut off because of time.

EDIT: Video with both, Zizek first:


"You say the work is influential. Can you tell me what the work is, I can't find it ... can you find any content?" - Chomsky :lol

EDIT2: Russell Brand completely ruining this interview :dead
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« Reply #27282 on: March 17, 2015, 09:55:56 AM »
dat zizek pic. also his constant sniffing and scratching (and sho on and sho on) makes him really awkward to watch for me

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« Reply #27283 on: March 17, 2015, 10:06:44 AM »
He's not really too much better in his native tongue :lol


That panel looks like some stages of evolution or spectrum thing if you flipped the middle and far right guy.

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« Reply #27284 on: March 17, 2015, 10:20:16 AM »
oh shit it's the missing link :o

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« Reply #27285 on: March 17, 2015, 10:25:28 AM »
Everybody thinks he's an obtuse philosopher when he's really just struggling to understand our language and culture after being unfrozen!

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« Reply #27286 on: March 17, 2015, 10:33:07 AM »
Chomsky got destroyed by Foucault in what historians would later come to call the Clash of College 101 Icons, beating up on Zizek after that is just a has been dropping down a weight class.

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« Reply #27287 on: March 17, 2015, 10:40:52 AM »
Yay, bad at photo editing:


Also from the GIS I did for Zizek:
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« Reply #27288 on: March 17, 2015, 10:53:33 AM »
Follow Zizek eBooks on Twitter and you'll never be able to hear "and so on" again without laughing.

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« Reply #27289 on: March 17, 2015, 10:58:42 AM »
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« Reply #27290 on: March 17, 2015, 12:04:17 PM »
It's true when you think about it. :ohhh

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« Reply #27291 on: March 19, 2015, 03:29:22 AM »
lol I think the commune is :umad that I stashed my Orbea in our poster room. Libertad para Euskadi. >:(

(I was outta town, this was my first day back with it.)

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« Reply #27292 on: March 21, 2015, 07:28:02 PM »
what percentage of music over the past 40 years originated from white people trying to get over the fact that they can't dance?

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« Reply #27293 on: March 21, 2015, 07:33:02 PM »
89%

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« Reply #27294 on: March 21, 2015, 07:34:40 PM »
SCIENCE!

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« Reply #27295 on: March 21, 2015, 08:52:10 PM »
Follow Zizek eBooks on Twitter and you'll never be able to hear "and so on" again without laughing.

I once watched one of the 'documentaries' that are basically just him giving a lecture and this phrase has been so thoroughly destroyed I have to assume it's deliberate.

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« Reply #27296 on: March 21, 2015, 09:26:15 PM »
what percentage of music over the past 40 years originated from white people trying to get over the fact that they can't dance?

14/88

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« Reply #27297 on: March 21, 2015, 11:34:23 PM »
Looks like by June (if things don't go completely south) I'll be moving into my own place.  :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
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« Reply #27298 on: March 21, 2015, 11:45:53 PM »
Crazy Bore gone miss ya. :tocry

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« Reply #27299 on: March 22, 2015, 12:01:42 AM »
Living on my own will probably generate a new kind of crazy out of me.

But hey, at least I can finally begin the "man whore" phase of my life.  :phil