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OMG......Ico....SOTC
« on: May 26, 2010, 11:31:41 PM »
http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/26/rumour-team-ico-collection-to-launch-in-q1-2011/

ICO and Shadow of the Colossus in HD on one disc.....just like the GOW collection.  Pleasure overload.

I know I'm one of like two fegs around EB that likes these games so everyone can just suck my balls right now.

2011.  Year of the PS3.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 11:34:30 PM »
I've never gotten a chance to play Ico.  I'll try and snag this if its true.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 11:39:50 PM »
Lots of people hate Ico and the ones that like it are usually the same people that I can't stand.....so conflicting......

Still I think Ico is brilliant.  I hate the whole game/art argument, but I'll be damned if it doesn't apply to Ico.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 11:45:47 PM »
*shrugs*

I played through SotC and while I certainly enjoyed it and admired its direction and concept, it was mired with really terrible controls and camera functionality.  It wasn't so much "game" as it was...I don't know, I can't think of the right word.  Interactive experience?  Christ, does that reek of gaming journalist-fellatio.  You know what I mean though.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 11:48:08 PM »
I dont hate Ico or SOTC... they just arent that good
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 11:53:52 PM »
still waiting on a more reputable source before getting excited.  i vastly preferred sotc over ico.  ico was a b level puzzler at best.  i never got the overwhelming, saccharine love for ico.
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Re: OMG......Ico....SOTC
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 11:54:33 PM »
OMG.....shit......games
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2010, 12:01:05 AM »
Haters can suck a big bag of fail, ICO and SOTC are both awesome games.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2010, 12:01:26 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 12:12:38 AM »
http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/26/rumour-team-ico-collection-to-launch-in-q1-2011/

ICO and Shadow of the Colossus in HD on one disc.....just like the GOW collection.  Pleasure overload.

I know I'm one of like two distinguished effete fellows around EB that likes these games so everyone can just suck my balls right now.

They can also suck my balls.

Playing through ICO with my roommate in college was fucking awesome.

:bow ICO :bow2

SOTC was good, but not as good as ICO.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 12:15:29 AM »
Considering how choppy the framerate on Colossus is, this would be worth the upgrade just for silky-smooth 60 FPS horse riding.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 12:16:55 AM »
SotC is godlike so I'll be buying this day 1. Don't really care for Ico.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2010, 12:17:42 AM »
no one cares for ico.

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2010, 12:23:11 AM »
no one cares for ico.

No one cares for you.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2010, 12:24:19 AM »
I care. distinguished mentally-challenged fellow librul owned
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2010, 12:38:50 AM »
HOT NEW RELEASE FOR PS3 IN 2011

The Getaway and The Getaway 2 in HD :hyper
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2010, 12:39:34 AM »
I would buy this.  I replayed Ico not long ago and while I like it, I don't think it was the greatest thing.  Maybe at the time, but the PoP and recent Tomb Raider games are more fun.  It did have a lot of style, though.  Actually, at the time I think I was playing Spy Hunter and Devil May Cry when my friend bought Ico.  I remember falling asleep the first time I played Ico and decided it wasn't a good game to play with two taking turns.  The other two games were totally awesome for that. 

SotC is the reason I'd buy it.  That game is a great concept marred by inconsistent tech.  Camera and jank animations won't get fixed, but it would still be a massive improvement, more so than the other rehashes we've seen this gen (GoW, the Gamecube games, etc).

One thing I was expected from more powerful hardware this gen were more (at least one) game like that.  I mean, people love that art stuff and whatever, but I'd take a game that is all about fighting giants by platforming around them.  Make it co-op like in that old trailer.  I want to jump from one giant bird onto a another giant on the ground that a bro is helping out with; maybe wrangle the two beasts together and have the bird pull the other one into the air.  Things like that.
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2010, 12:44:51 AM »
I dont hate Ico or SOTC... they just arent that good

Truth.  There are some genius aspects to both games but they both suffer from a lot of problems. 

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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2010, 01:05:36 AM »
Not a fan of Ico, but I did like SotC (the colossi designs were pretty fucking awesome). Though unlike pretty much every SotC-cigarillo, I HATED the horse controls.

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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2010, 01:17:43 AM »
no one cares for ico.

No one cares for you.
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2010, 01:24:29 AM »
I thought Ico was okay, but i thought SotC was brilliant.

weird how it seems to be a love-hate thing with people on this one.

Also - i guess this means TRICO is , basically, a PS4 launch title.

Along with GT5?
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2010, 01:32:32 AM »
OMG.....shit......games

OMG you've never played them  :wag

This is great news. I only have ICO but love them both so I'll be buying this for sure.

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2010, 01:50:57 AM »
sotc would have been pretty cool if there was actually stuff to do outside the boss battles besides riding around on your shitty horse

ico just sucked dick tho.  can't believe i skipped a show and payed $50 for that p.o.s.
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2010, 02:48:57 AM »
Will buy. I'd been hoping that Sony would add backward PS2 compatibility back in to PS3, so I can play the copy of SOTC a friend gifted me on his way out of Japan. I guess Sony would rather go the nintendo route and just keep re-selling the same item, but I won't even put up a fight for ICO/SOTC. I'm wondering how luscious the effects will be in HD now. :drool

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2010, 02:54:25 AM »
Definitely curious how they will approach it.  SoTC's framerate was part of the game and slow motion in EPIC MOMENTS was important to add impact.  I don't think I'd want to see it at 60fps.  Curious to see what they do with it.

Upscale rendering will be nice though.  Although I'm not sure what will happen with ICO.  The resolution was like 280p or something because they were doing weird stuff graphically with it.  Raising the resolution might screw up stuff.  But leaving it as is will look awful on an HDTV. 

Honestly this set will be very difficult to pull off and satisfy everyone.  Both games are technical puzzles and worked around the PS2 hardware limitations to create beautiful games.

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2010, 04:33:39 AM »
:hyper SotC in HD :hyper
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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2010, 04:56:34 AM »
I love both. I think "games are art" is the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life. Of course, both ICO and SotC are really easy, simplistic games, but they're fun and the music and visuals are really nice to listen to/look at and interact with.

I'm pretty sure this rumor has no basis in reality considering how badly Sonyfags want this and how good this is probably making them feel, but if it comes out that bumps my list of PS3 exclusives worth buying a PS3 for to...two.

EDIT: I love how each linked article gets buried in more and more bullshit as time goes on. First it's "This crazy guy has a rumor", then it's "What the crazy guy said has been unofficially confirmed as a rumor" and then "Inside sources say that..." like what the fuck.
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2010, 05:33:25 AM »
I love both. I think "games are art" is the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life. Of course, both ICO and SotC are really easy, simplistic games, but they're fun and the music and visuals are really nice to listen to/look at and interact with.

I'm pretty sure this rumor has no basis in reality considering how badly Sonyfags want this and how good this is probably making them feel, but if it comes out that bumps my list of PS3 exclusives worth buying a PS3 for to...two.

EDIT: I love how each linked article gets buried in more and more bullshit as time goes on. First it's "This crazy guy has a rumor", then it's "What the crazy guy said has been unofficially confirmed as a rumor" and then "Inside sources say that..." like what the fuck.
Startselect, if you start or select to begin that shit in this thread, I will e-murder you.

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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2010, 07:23:05 AM »
The only reason I posted that link from vg247 (I never heard of it either) is because IGN mentioned it in their daily roundup, and it's not like IGN is some beacon of truthfulness either but there's been enough smoke around this rumor to at least believe there is a fire.  Seems logical that Sony would do something similar to the GOW collection leading up to the release of The Last Guardian.

And I agree about some of the apprehension about making these games 60fps and in HD.  There's a weird dream-like quality about both games that might get somewhat lost by bumping up the framerate and res.  It'll be interesting on how they handle it.
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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2010, 08:28:31 AM »
Sony asked people, on their blog, if they would dig an ICO-SOTC HD-ized duo, its probably not BS as they can use this to help push the also likely to be outre The Last Guardian.

And ICO looks like utter crap upscaled on the PS3, and SOTC would look gol-dern amazing with some more horsepower behind it.  I got nothing to complain about here, I'd buy it (still haven't beat Shadow and all).

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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2010, 10:06:58 AM »
I like both of these, but ICO is really gonna need a lot of work.  that game is running at some weird resolution with some seriously washed out graphics, and jagginess everywhere.  I don't think it's like GOW where a simple upscale + AA will do. 

ICO's great your first time...if you know the puzzles, there's no point in playing it. 

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2010, 10:35:43 AM »
The only reason I posted that link from vg247 (I never heard of it either) is because IGN mentioned it in their daily roundup, and it's not like IGN is some beacon of truthfulness either but there's been enough smoke around this rumor to at least believe there is a fire.  Seems logical that Sony would do something similar to the GOW collection leading up to the release of The Last Guardian.

And I agree about some of the apprehension about making these games 60fps and in HD.  There's a weird dream-like quality about both games that might get somewhat lost by bumping up the framerate and res.  It'll be interesting on how they handle it.

they could keep it at 30 fps or w/e as long as it's locked.

and yeah, there were some shots of Ico running through the emulator and it isn't a huge improvement.  You can already test how this Ico/SotC rerelease would look if you run it through PCSX2 and have a capable computer.  There was one video of SotC at 60 fps and it looked off.

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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2010, 10:41:08 AM »
I also missed out on Ico.
Looking forward to this... I just hope it turns out to be true!
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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2010, 12:13:47 PM »
I love both. I think "games are art" is the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life. Of course, both ICO and SotC are really easy, simplistic games, but they're fun and the music and visuals are really nice to listen to/look at and interact with.

I'm pretty sure this rumor has no basis in reality considering how badly Sonyfags want this and how good this is probably making them feel, but if it comes out that bumps my list of PS3 exclusives worth buying a PS3 for to...two.

EDIT: I love how each linked article gets buried in more and more bullshit as time goes on. First it's "This crazy guy has a rumor", then it's "What the crazy guy said has been unofficially confirmed as a rumor" and then "Inside sources say that..." like what the fuck.
Startselect, if you start or select to begin that shit in this thread, I will e-murder you.

I won't :teehee

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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2010, 01:39:04 PM »
I enjoyed both games a great deal, though thought SOTC suffered with its framerate at points... SOTC with a steady framerate, and both games with vastly improved image quality = OMG... hope this rumor is true.
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2010, 01:42:43 PM »
:bow SOTC :bow2

Definitely one of the best games of last gen. 

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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2010, 01:45:08 PM »
SOTC was awesome, then again I'm one of those gamers who think game environment is more important than gameplay/story line etc.

If they release an HD version of SOTC I'm definitely buying a PEE ES 3.


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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2010, 02:20:57 PM »
Actually I think the stories in Ico and SOTC are told pretty brilliantly, both in their simplicity and subtlety and that helps makes that universe so weirdly appealing along with the other worldly landscapes and architecture.  I like how things are just more or less implied in the games instead of getting beaten over the head with unnecessary exposition ala MGS.  It makes for a much more cerebral experience.
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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2010, 10:11:37 PM »
totally expect this to be false.

I'd buy in a second tho, although something like this is going to crush a lot of dreams. :lol

I bet we see Demons Souls 2 before we see fucking Last Guardian at this point.

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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2010, 10:17:41 PM »
totally expect this to be false.

I'd buy in a second tho, although something like this is going to crush a lot of dreams. :lol

I bet we see Demons Souls 2 before we see fucking Last Guardian at this point.

Seriously if we don't see gameplay of Last Guardian at E3, confirmed cancelled.

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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2010, 10:49:03 PM »
I loved ICO except for the defending the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow bits. Game would have been much better without the shoehorned shitty combat.

Without those enemies the game would lose a lot of the tension. Sure the combat was simple (I wouldn't say bad), but it was about perpetuating the atmosphere, not having a brilliant hack 'n slash adventure game with combos galore. To maintain the atmosphere and keep the focus on exploration I think it was necessary to pare down other gameplay elements to a minimum.
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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2010, 08:54:34 AM »
I'm not sure if there will be Last Guardian footage at E3 or not but even if it isn't shown I sincerely doubt that the game has been canceled.  Still, we're more than likely going to have to wait another year before it comes out, which is disappointing but not totally unexpected especially seeing how long Sony has been cooking some of their other titles like GT5.

This rumor better be true though.  I already own both and have a PS2 compatible PS3 so I'm able to play them now if I wanted but this is one of those few occasions where I'd be willing to double dip just because I love this series.
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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2010, 12:57:41 PM »
Last Guardian is fine.  SoTC took FOREVER to come out, so this is not unexpected.  They really take their time making games over at that developer.

E3 will probably have a new trailer and TGS will have an updated version of the trailer and game will come out in the first half of next year.

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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2010, 12:58:56 PM »
:bow SOTC :bow2

Definitely one of the best games of last gen. 

Yep.

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« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2010, 08:47:08 PM »
[youtube=560,345]81gCxvUo-dg[/youtube]

my favorite part of SOTC run through an emulator  :omg

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« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2010, 10:00:56 PM »
I think that was the most memorable one as well!  :-*

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« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2010, 11:03:15 PM »
it's amazing how that game looks better than 95% of what comes out now a days.
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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 06:07:13 AM »
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it's amazing how that game looks better than 95% of what comes out now a days.

that's the magic of emulation not the magic of the PS2 though, mainly.

No, it's the magic of the Sony devs and their great sense of style.

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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 10:30:32 AM »
No, it's the magic of the Team ICO devs and their great sense of style.

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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 11:23:03 AM »
game ran like shit on the PS2 and had shitty shit image quality, hardly a technical achievement unless you have Sfag goggles on

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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2010, 12:02:39 PM »
Sure, the assets are there though and running the games through emulators shows that. Eurogamer did some comparison videos, I was amazed at the underlying level of detail that shows in an emulator. HD remakes or no I'm going to play SoTC in PCSX (unless remake is confirmed beforehand), although without the fog (apparently PCSX2 can't recreate this aspect) the games look too crisp, especially ICO, it goes from murky ominous castle to bright and almost cheery looking.
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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2010, 01:09:44 PM »
Just wanna throw my hat in with Hitler - Team Ico is one of the two developers I still am able to fawn over (the other being Ice-pick Lodge). ICO is easily one of my favorite games and SotC is a fantastic game and a superb follow-up.

Very few devs do narrative in an entertaining way, but team ico nails it. Can't wait for Last Guardian nor this collection. :hyper

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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2010, 08:40:12 PM »
 :shh

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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2010, 08:55:56 PM »
Holy shit. What specs do I need to have SotC looking that good in PCSX2?
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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2010, 09:22:14 PM »
Holy shit. What specs do I need to have SotC looking that good in PCSX2?

Something a lot better than a 8800 GT and a 2.65 GHz dual core.
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« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2010, 09:25:30 PM »
I only have an 8600 GT :'( High hopes I guess lol. I wonder if I could even run it at all
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« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2010, 09:32:39 PM »
I can actually play the game, but it average about 15 FPS.

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In other words, perfect emulation of the PS2 hardware. :smug
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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2010, 02:20:57 PM »
game ran like shit on the PS2 and had shitty shit image quality, hardly a technical achievement unless you have Sfag goggles on
Come now.  Yes, it definitely didn't run well, but they were utilizing techniques the likes of which the PS2 had no business attempting.  Its technology is more of a curiosity than anything else, I think.

I'm curious as to why you don't feel it is an impressive feat.  The image quality was pretty good for a PS2 game, so really, it's only significant problem was its performance.  A big deal, no doubt, but that shouldn't completely negate the rest of the feats either.

I mean, they managed to sneak in..

1) Not only camera motion blur but per object motion blur
2) Low precision HDR lighting (HDR lighting was extremely uncommon in 2005 and very demanding)
3) Full self-shadows (stencil shadow volumes were used similar to Doom 3)
4) "fur/grass shading" from a machine which had nothing resembling programmable shaders
5) Inverse kinematics for animation (proper collision and dynamic animation when interacting with different moving and stationary surfaces)
6) Volumetric particles (for clouds, fog, and other such things)
7) Rim lighting on characters
8 ) A huge streaming world without load screens

It has nothing to do with console war bullshit, it's just straight up impressive to see such techniques implemented on such old hardware.  Just ONE of those features in another PS2 game would be impressive, but to squeeze ALL of that in?  It's no wonder the performance was lousy.  The fact that a lot of Japanese developers of modern games can't even implement that stuff into their 360 and PS3 games makes this feat seem even more impressive. 

As an aside, here's a video of the fifth colossus (that was posted above running on an emulator) as it was seen on a real PS2.

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« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2010, 02:40:38 PM »
The game just never looked that hot to me.  Everything was so damn blurry and the world was so freaking sparse.  They had to sacrifice in a lot of areas to achieve the technical stuff you're mentioned above.  Even ignoring the slideshow framerate, I was far from impressed.  Add to the fact that I thought SOTC was a disappointing follow up to a game that I liked and all the pretentious drivel from wannabe art connoisseurs, I'm just not too fond of it. 

Btw, that list doesn't impress me at all.  Xbox and GC games did a bunch of impressive shit as well.  People just don't know about it because their devs don't post on the internet so that the fanboys can help them spread the hype.  Who gives a fuck what technical terms the devs can come up with, I only care what the final game looks like.  It's not my problem that programmers have to do a lot more to come up with results for shitty outdated hardware.  I just play the fricking games. 





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« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2010, 02:43:37 PM »


I'm not a tech dude, but some of the shit I've read makes it out to be a huge fucking deal what Team Ico managed to squeeze out of the PS2. But I agree that tech without the art is just useless, though I thoroughly enjoyed the visuals for SotC, I can understand Smooth Groove not digging it if the art style or whatever rubbed him the wrong way.


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