Metal Gear Solid 4: Peace Walker

[bork]

You're right, Smooth.  Let me step up and CRACK DOWN.

Hmm, what's this?

I kinda wish Kojima had made this for a home system instead.  The controls felt really gimped when I was playing the demo.  It looks great though for a PSP game and I probably shouldn't complain too much about freeware. 

THE BORE IS A FINE UPSTANDING COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT TOLERATE PIRACY.  YOU ARE BANNED.

[demi]

Smooth unbanned

[Smooth Groove]

That's potential piracy.  Yours already happened.

The jury rules in favor of Smooth Groove.  

[Smooth Groove]

WTF, did Lyte really ban me?   

[demi]

Yes. Dude's a loser man.

[bork]

WTF, did Lyte really ban me?   

Of course not, WTF!   

[magus]

i got a tank... what do i do with it?
also what are you supposed to do with

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injured girl whatshername COMIANDANTE! snake says "let her work!" so that's what i'm doing but it seems like a waste...

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[Don Flamenco]

i got a tank... what do i do with it?
also what are you supposed to do with

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injured girl whatshername COMIANDANTE! snake says "let her work!" so that's what i'm doing but it seems like a waste...

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I put her right back in the infirmary.  her stats are still pretty low at that point. 

Then I'm going to....put her in the kitchen.

[Don Flamenco]

i got the first level up but it brought the total futonball from 9 to 10... that seems a really dumb upgrade
anyway the cutscene are so needless melodramatic! is mgs4 like that?

MGS4 pushes melodrama to new heights. 

Not sure how far you are, but it's actually really tame by MGS standards right now.  Probably the least hokey MGS game at this point.  I'm sure it's gonna start about clones and nanomachines and the clones that when they bark, they shoot nanomachines out of their mouths at some point. 

[magus]

how far i am?

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i just meet this game otacon

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anyway clones,nanomachines and stuff like that doesn't bother me but please! we don't need a character called paz and then spends 5 minutes about the fact that it sounds like peace! this is the kind of dumb stuff i'm talking about
by the way while talking about names

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hot coldman? really? REEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYYY?

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i also discovered what to do with the tank

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you get to send your soldier in missions and you can use the tank to support them

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did you capture any vehicle so far flamenco? for the tank

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i killed everyone in the support squad (actualy caught 4 of them... can't... resist... using... futonballs...) and i tought that would end the mission... it didn't but when the tank was around half health the squad captain popped his head out,i gunned him down and it gave me the tank

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oh and best of all
FULTONBALLS LV 3! I'M GETTING CLOSER TO UNLOCKING THE MASTER FULTONBALL!

[Don Flamenco]

you're past where I am.  I did a mission or two after the second tank fight.  I spent an hour and a half on that fight, dying way too much. I was trying to tranq everyone, then tranq the commander.  I got two tanks from the two fights.  I'm not sure if those were rewards for tranqing the boss or what.


The Paz stuff is pretty annoying.  Reminds me of Hope in FFXIII.  Apparently naming characters after their goal in life/what they symbolize is a big thing in Japan right now

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Is this like a real metal gear game or shit like MGS: PO?

[Bebpo]

Tank is hard the first time.  Then you do that battle 20 more times to build up an army of tanks and it's easy and you're done in <4 mins each time!

[magus]

personaly i'm having trouble with more or less every boss...
dealing with the squad isn't a big trouble (you take some hits but you end up CQC everyone) but the boss itself is a pain in the ass,you spend all your time taking cover only to pop out for 2-3 seconds and shoot at him while he's preparing for the next attack

i've been using rocketlauncher but the damage they do is disappointing and they have like 6 shots,which is horrible... i've been trying using machinegun and those works better but i still end up taking forever and having to ask for extra ammo trough reinforcement

[Smooth Groove]

That's how most MGS boss battles are like.  You just have to be patient.

[Don Flamenco]

Is there any special reward for blowing up the tank?  Seems like that's a harder task than tranqing the commander...

[magus]

i think the commander only shows up if you deal with the squad,so if you just attack the tank,you don't have to deal with the squad

and you don't have to tranq him,even killing him give you the same result
by the way i got myself a hind

[Himu]

Franz, how you liking this? Is this the REAL MGS4?

[Mr. Gundam]

$29.80 at Fry's on Tuesday.

[Bebpo]

Is there any special reward for blowing up the tank?  Seems like that's a harder task than tranqing the commander...

Just that sometimes these things are easier if you ignore the squad and blow them up real quick.

But for the most part you should always go for the squad then commander so you can keep the vehicle.

[Bebpo]

personaly i'm having trouble with more or less every boss...
dealing with the squad isn't a big trouble (you take some hits but you end up CQC everyone) but the boss itself is a pain in the ass,you spend all your time taking cover only to pop out for 2-3 seconds and shoot at him while he's preparing for the next attack

i've been using rocketlauncher but the damage they do is disappointing and they have like 6 shots,which is horrible... i've been trying using machinegun and those works better but i still end up taking forever and having to ask for extra ammo trough reinforcement

I just use rocket launchers for every boss in the game.  You get better ones later on.  RPG7 or Law Rank3 do about 3-4x the damage of starting ones. 

The first time you fight any boss it takes a while (mine were usually around 10-20 mins).  But then you learn the tricks and S rank the battles in 2-3 mins.

[magus]

graa so frustating!

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after you reach a lab,you have to go ALL the way back to the start of the level,and then back to the starting point again,and i don't know why,one way or another i ALWAYS end up getting spotted! (yes i know there are hidden guys and finding them is a pain!) the one time i was able to pull it off,i fucked it up at the end and forgot to equip ration

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anyway i got enough man to fill the entire R&D department even tough most of them are D rank
i also unlocked

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the recruit feature... i recruited 6 soldiers,but they were all lame except a girl with B in R&D and a guy with B in combat which has become my best soldier

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[bork]

Franz, how you liking this? Is this the REAL MGS4?

It was obvious from the first demo that this was the REAL MGS4.   

[magus]

an upgrade to rocketlauncher
one to the machine gun and at least some of the bosses are going down in less than 5 minutes
and with those bosses...

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i'm building my own metal gear

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[Don Flamenco]

Franz, how you liking this? Is this the REAL MGS4?

It's awesome.  If it keeps up the pace, which everyone says it does, it'll easily be my second favorite MGS (after 3.) 

been a long wait, but I'm glad to finally have MGS4!

[Himu]

Franz, how you liking this? Is this the REAL MGS4?

It's awesome.  If it keeps up the pace, which everyone says it does, it'll easily be my second favorite MGS (after 3.) 

been a long wait, but I'm glad to finally have MGS4!

omg

[Himu]

How does the weapon upgrade system work? Is it like MGS4 where you buy weapons and crap?

Because I really disliked that. Takes an element of adventure and exploration out of the game that's prominent in other MGS titles.

[Don Flamenco]

none of that shit.   There's a whole RPG backdrop to your equipment.  You use the air balloon to capture enemies.  Each enemy has stats for combat, weapon/item development, food preparation, medical skill, and information gathering.   You put the captured enemy under one of those categories and it increases the level of it.  So, you put guys into weapon/item development and you unlock new weapons and level up old ones that way.  You also find schematics during missions.  You also level up some weapons through use.  Other weapons might open up just for beating certain missions. 

[Himu]

Where can I get the demo? Is it on psp psn?

[Don Flamenco]

i think so.  The demo doesn't have the base development aspect of it at all, just some early missions. 

[Himu]

Got it.

[Himu]

Was liking the controls until I actually got in a shoot out.

Good god.

Controls are fine when sneaking though.

[Bebpo]

you get used to it quick and then it plays fine.

[magus]

this game controls fine
the only thing i hate is that while aiming pushing square makes you turn right while pushing circle makes you turn left
it should be the other way around!
anyway!

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i finished the metal gear but i can do nothing with it... i guess it's not really finished as it lacks an AI?

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i also got another tank and another chopper but

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one of my good soldier died in mission

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i've developed all i could with my measly R&D team so now i'm forced to find better people for R&D or get stuck in the weapon development department... kinda annoying!

[maxy]

Every PSP game that tries to mimic second analog with buttons,controls like shit but that is PSP problem

I found a happy medium in this game though,when detected switch to lethal weapon and auto aim.

And then just sit tight behind some cover and nuke everything that comes...AI is distinguished mentally-challenged anyway

Game is pretty good if you "master" the controls.

[dark1x]

Every PSP game that tries to mimic second analog with buttons,controls like shit but that is PSP problem

It's basically the Dreamcast method.

Sucks, though, I agree.  They should have aimed for MGS2 style gameplay and camera angles.

[Smooth Groove]

 Yeah, just blame the Dreamcast for a Sony game's faults.

Disgusting Sfag! 

[bork]

I generally hate using the face buttons to control the camera, but in Peace Walker, it works.  The game play is great.

[Himu]

I can't get used to it it shoot outs. The camera moves too slow.

[Himu]

Every PSP game that tries to mimic second analog with buttons,controls like shit but that is PSP problem

I found a happy medium in this game though,when detected switch to lethal weapon and auto aim.

And then just sit tight behind some cover and nuke everything that comes...AI is distinguished mentally-challenged anyway

Game is pretty good if you "master" the controls.

This sounds like a plan. I like to do things steath-like, though, so I tend to stick with MK-22, not them all out, and them hide. But that seems to be the best course in this game as the camera controls are horrid.

[Bebpo]

Himuro, you can change the speed in the options.

[Himu]

Isn't 10 the fastest speed? I did it immediately in the tutorial; still too slow.

Playing fps games on pc has spoiled me.

[magus]

I can't get used to it it shoot outs. The camera moves too slow.

try to center the camera so that as soon as you press L you have the enemy in front of you
that's what i do

i don't see what's bad about the camera... you have an entire free hand dedicated to it as long as you pick the first control mode

[Bebpo]

Isn't 10 the fastest speed? I did it immediately in the tutorial; still too slow.

Playing fps games on pc has spoiled me.

Yeah, it doesn't control as well as a KB+M.  Neither does Halo;

[Himu]

I can't get used to it it shoot outs. The camera moves too slow.

try to center the camera so that as soon as you press L you have the enemy in front of you
that's what i do

i don't see what's bad about the camera... you have an entire free hand dedicated to it as long as you pick the first control mode

The camera is fine. It's really the aiming that bugs me.

[Don Flamenco]

I agree, there is some weirdness to the aiming.  It's a bit sticky, strangely accelerated, just like every game that uses the buttons to aim.  I'm used to it now, though. 

[bork]

You guys know there's an auto-aim toggle, right? 

[Himu]

Yes.

[Bebpo]

I never used the auto-aim.  Once you get used to the controls you shouldn't need it.

[Himu]

Really? Have fun with your claw hand.

[Purple Filth]

What are the controls like?

Is it similar to monster hunter PSP?

[Himu]

When aiming:

hold L button to aim, R to shoot, Square = aim left, Circle = aim right, Triangle = aim up, X = aim down, Left analog stick to move.

[Bebpo]

Really? Have fun with your claw hand.

I dunno, I found it easy to headshot people in the back.  If you're talking about TPS style "I'm getting shot by a bunch of guys and need to run and shoot" ummmm, in 40+ hours of the game I never had to do that.  If you get swamped just run up and CQC and later on super machineguns/shotguns mean you just point at a doorway and blast everyone as they run in.

[Don Flamenco]

Just a warning: IGN's review tells you who the final boss is

http://psp.ign.com/articles/109/1095291p2.html

otherwise...

reviews: don't matter

[magus]

i don't see a problem with IGN saying who's the final boss since it's pretty predictable but...

The game is insanely deep.

good lord,they just added some light rpg element! is that all it takes to make an insanely deep game?
anyway i reached chapter 4

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY KILLED THE HORSE :'(
SADDEST MGS DEATH EVAH! :'(
good thing horses don't talk or we would have spent 5 minutes talking about carrots and hoofs and how they relate to peace

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i don't understand how the ranking work
i've had an optional mission where i had to stop 40 guys from reaching a point,i camped the point and shot everyone down and got a C... why?
similiary i tried doing the first boss fight again,i did it in less than a minute but the game still scored me a B,what's the deal with it?
 

[Don Flamenco]

are you killing guys or knocking them out?   Killing enemies lowers your rank in mgs games. 

and yeah, the IGN guy complained about not having everything explained, when the game gives you a mini tutorial every time you get a new feature AND indexes those tutorials in a menu so you can look at them whenever.  Stupid ass reviewer. 

[magus]

well to be fair he says that there are tutorial but they aren't explicative enough

[maxy]

There is one thing that annoys me

No real-time development...you have to go on a mission

[Purple Filth]

Finally got to play the demo and its interesting.

And it does have monster hunter PSP controls but aiming with "the claw" method can be a royal pain.

With that i'll stick to the shooter type control scheme that Himuro mentioned.

[magus]

i finished the main plot
the ending is kinda stupid
the final fight took me 30 minutes but it was more because the final boss move a shitload and aiming at it it's hard and it also has tons of hp,it really wasn't as hard as the ign guy is making it to be
if it wasn't for the optional missions this would be a pretty short game
i mean there are 25 missions... each doesn't take more than 10 minutes and you have a game that's around 4 hours

uh anyway... bebpo!

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what i'm supposed to do with paz? if i try to CQC snake touch her boobs and ends up bitch slapped ,magazine give me no reaction,i tried taking a photo but she just strike a pose which does nothing... using the love box ends the mission but i'm pretty sure i'm missing something

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