Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|

[CajoleJuice]

Yeah, accidentally. 

[OptimoPeach]

lol

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You're actually partly right People were calling PvP rogues OP long before I started playing one

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[Phoenix Dark]

nerf mauraders
nerf tanks
nerf medivacs
nerf vikings

[cubicle47b]

Terran Mech vs. Zerg during the midgame.  /sadface

[OptimoPeach]

I apologize for playing my race

[cubicle47b]

Bring back Lurkers.

[Phoenix Dark]

I apologize for playing my race

You have no self respect

[Mandark]

A friend watched a replay of a FFA match I played.

"WTF?  This guy calls you a Jew."

"Really?"

Sure enough, he rewinds and when I'm in someone else's base with mutalisks, the guy says something like "you're safe blue, red is being a jew and won't leave me alone".

"That's amazing!  How'd he know I was Jewish?" says I.

"I don't think that's how he meant it" says my friend.

[Raban]

Just beat the campaign. So fucking good. Easily my personal GOTY. Who the fuck do we play as in Heart of the Swarm though? I detect a prequel.

[ManaByte]

nerf mauraders
nerf tanks
nerf medivacs
nerf vikings

I don't have a problem with Vikings as either Toss or Zerg. Banshees are more annoying.

[Phoenix Dark]

A friend watched a replay of a FFA match I played.

"WTF?  This guy calls you a Jew."

"Really?"

Sure enough, he rewinds and when I'm in someone else's base with mutalisks, the guy says something like "you're safe blue, red is being a jew and won't leave me alone".

"That's amazing!  How'd he know I was Jewish?" says I.

"I don't think that's how he meant it" says my friend.

stop...hoarding your character info and post it dammit

[OptimoPeach]

If you were running the beta fine then you'll be good. I dunno about campaign specifically because I still haven't played too much of it

[OptimoPeach]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145398

First day of games from the Germany tournament

[Phoenix Dark]

Ha, Day9 there doing the cast. Must be awesome getting to travel around announcing for videogames

[Phoenix Dark]

Won two games in a row against terran and finally advanced to diamond league

First game featured a Thor/SCV rush. Luckily I went went fast Roach, but the Thor was dicing them pretty easily. I almost broke my computer after I watched 6 Roaches go down to the Thor, with just 3 SCVs on him (I killed like 10 to get to that point). Finally I managed to take it down and the guy ragequit

Second game was pretty epic. I managed to catch his MMM/tank army unseiged a couple times, but after that I knew he'd just build more tanks and destroy me eventually. So I went Brood Lords; they popped just after his army took out mine (Hydra/Roach/Infestor). Never seen someone build so many damn tanks lmao, but they were useless against Brood Lords so I won.

[CajoleJuice]

Nice.

Really the only games I've played lately have been with my friend. Who is totally fucking awful. And I just want to kill myself when I play with him.

[Phoenix Dark]

lmao I know the feeling

I'm starting to think Real ID is a bad idea. Couple buddies from WoW got SC2 and they're horrible. Now every time I get on, they want to do 3v3.

"so you gonna wall us in?
"huh? oh hell nah"
"uhh..ok"

Then one of them constantly lifts his Command Center and flies to an island or expansion protected by rocks so he won't be attacked  :'(

[fistfulofmetal]

yesterday my friends and i did an awesome 4v4

(us)terran terran protoss terran vs. (them)zerg zerg protoss terran

we pulled reaper harass and the protoss went 2 gate and harass with zealots. basically cheesed these dudes until they left. really awesome

[OptimoPeach]

I'm pretty sure I have you added. It just doesn't tell you that someone has added you unless they message you

yesterday my friends and i did an awesome 4v4

(us)terran terran protoss terran vs. (them)zerg zerg protoss terran

we pulled reaper harass and the protoss went 2 gate and harass with zealots. basically cheesed these dudes until they left. really awesome

I still haven't done 4v4, either. Is the map bigger than what they use for 3v3?

[CajoleJuice]

I'm pretty sure I have you added. It just doesn't tell you that someone has added you unless they message you

Yeah, I think I probably added you too, Business. The friend system is just fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

[OptimoPeach]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Hey it was stacking mutas against Terran bio that saved Zerg in BW, so maybe it'll be spreading them out against Terran mech that saves Zerg in SC2. Maybe not, but it's still pretty cool

[CajoleJuice]

Practice league is shit, man. It doesn't prepare you at ALL.

[fistfulofmetal]

I still haven't done 4v4, either. Is the map bigger than what they use for 3v3?

def.

[Phoenix Dark]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Hey it was stacking mutas against Terran bio that saved Zerg in BW, so maybe it'll be spreading them out against Terran mech that saves Zerg in SC2. Maybe not, but it's still pretty cool

I seriously doubt that would work in a combat situation but I'll try it.

[OptimoPeach]

Idra did it in one of his games against a Terran called Sarens in that IEM tournament, and then I actually had a Zerg do it to me on Metalopolis just earlier. I think it's noticeably more efficient against someone playing heavy mech with few marines.

I'm just excited all these cute little tricks are being discovered already. I've also noticed more Zerg players doing stuff like throwing down an Infested Terran or two to draw early fire from a line of siege tanks and allow a few more seconds for their army to push

[ManaByte]

The multi vs Thor does work.

[CajoleJuice]

Optimo and I just ran over some people tonight, but it seemed like ladder ranking was borked.

[Phoenix Dark]

[youtube=560,345]bGQnnMvlAPQ[/youtube]
"I want you to take this time and reflect on how bad you are" 

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As a Zerg player I do feel like the Terran are overpowered against us, but I couldn't help but think Idra's bitching was misplaced throughout the game. A poorly placed Zerg or Protoss army is going to lose to a Terran army any day of the week. That's not imbalance, it's stupidity on the part of the Zerg or Protoss player. Especially on Kulas Revine.

Idra gets so frustrated with Terran that he doesn't think things through. He spent a lot of time wasting units charging Planetary Fortresses, bunkers, tanks etc. Using a Nydus behind the expansions would have ended the game much faster. Going Brood Lord earlier would have ended the game faster. etc.

When something isn't working against Terran you have to switch it up. Likewise if something is barely working against Terran, you better switch it up. I've lost more than a few games where I've beaten back a mech ball a couple times, only to be swamped the third or fourth time due to twice as many tanks showing up.

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[OptimoPeach]

I think he still probably would have won if he didn't suicide all of his ultras at around 4:00 of part 3

edit: Wow maybe not. The 250mm cannon on thors is ridiculous

[CajoleJuice]

Optimo, why'd you have to rage quit? Shit, you had a lot of money when you quit, I could've used it up quick.

I would've used it to tech-switch to phoenixes.

[OptimoPeach]

How much did I have? I don't think I had more than 1k, and I had been spending that much on each production cycle trying to keep that Terran off my gold. It was about to fall when I left though, and that was my only source of income. Just wasn't feeling too optimistic, and I also played poorly since the start. Maybe I'm wrong and we could have won.

[CajoleJuice]

Also, I had a bunch of money I could have given you guys in that 4v4. You just quit too easily. No heart, Optimo, that's while you'll never be a champ.

After you guys left I rolled over a shitload of their stalkers with my immortal/stalker mix.

[OptimoPeach]

Maybe I'm just not good at gauging my chances in anything but 1v1.

I had to go play my games for the GAF tournament anyway, which I won 3-1. It looks like mostly just diamond players are left as we head into the quarterfinals, and I'm seeded to play valenti next week

[Phoenix Dark]

Everytime I play Optimo I feel like I'm in the presence of a hot chick: stumbling and stuttering and shit. No homo 

I've had success recently against Terran, but when I play Optimo it's like derp derp

[OptimoPeach]

[CajoleJuice]

So then playing with Optimo is like finally getting with that hot chick and she's just not into it.

[OptimoPeach]

[Phoenix Dark]

  :'(

now I know what will happen if I ever met Electrikluv irl

[OptimoPeach]

Got spanked by 0-3 valenti My macro could have been better, but I mostly just got outplayed.  I need practice with TvT

[fistfulofmetal]

i think i may have found my strategy
still need top work on it a bit

[Homemade Milk]

terran player reporting in

[Phoenix Dark]

Lost my first four games in a row tonight; two against terran, two again toss. I've never been more down on my gameplay than right now lol. I expect to lose to terran, don't really care about that, but the toss games were so sad it was pathetic. Saw the 4 gate pushes building, including one guy that went straight Zealots for the first 6 minutes of the game but I still lost. Usually I see toss going 2-4 game and say fuck it and expand. Tonight I tried one basing all my games until like 30 food, never worked. Sure I beat back the initial army, but I couldn't hold on. oh well

[ManaByte]

terran player reporting in

Play PD. He'll love you.

[Homemade Milk]

PD add me my ign thing is crumpit and my number is 578 gogo
also, i assume you play zerg? have you read about the massive rages at the zerg sc2 forum?

[ManaByte]

Zerg players on the forum are massive crybabies who need to learn counters.

[Phoenix Dark]

added you to the first post, Homemade Milk.

Yea Mana, I don't want to sound like I'm bitching about underpowered units. I've just lost my marbles or something because I'm sucking right now. Toss haven't given me problems in ages, so losing two games to them tonight really convinced me something is wrong with my play.

[ManaByte]

Work the challenges. They help a lot.

[Phoenix Dark]

Greetings, citizens of the Koprulu sector! StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty is celebrating its one-month anniversary and we’re extremely excited to witness the amazing community that’s come together around the game. To that end, we want you to know we are hard at work on the first feature and balance patch, and expect to have it completed and available by the middle of September. Patch 1.1 will contain a number of improvements including additional mod features, Editor improvements and bug fixes, some custom game improvements, support for NVIDIA’s 3D Vision, and more. We'd also like to share some specific plans for this patch with you.

To begin, we've heard a lot of feedback from our global community about standardized hotkey options. We're happy to announce that in patch 1.1 we are going to make the Standard (US) and Standard for Lefties (US) hotkey options available in all regions.



Balance Changes

We have several balance changes in store. One general change we're making is that friendly units will no longer provide vision after being killed. Enemy units previously revealed will no longer be targetable. Now let's break down the additional balance changes we're implementing.



Maps

We're going to be adding destructible rocks to the Desert Oasis map to make natural expansions easier to protect. In addition, the center map watchtower area is being narrowed.

Protoss

We have two key changes in mind for the zealot: the build time is being increased from 33 to 38 seconds, and the warpgate cooldown is being increased from 23 to 28 seconds. Zealot rushes are currently too powerful at various skill levels, particularly those that rely on rapidly assaulting an enemy base from nearby "proxy" gateways. We feel the window players have to scout for and fend off this rush is too small. We also want to address the problem of protoss being able to dump minerals a bit too quickly with the combination of warpgates and Chrono Boost.

Terran

There are several changes in the works for terrans. Reapers against zerg are stronger than expected. Due to the zealot build time increase, reapers would be a bit problematic in combination with proxy barracks, bunkers, and/or marauders against protoss. Therefore, we have decided to increase the build time of reapers as well from 40 to 45 seconds. Fast reaper + bunker, or fast marine + bunker rushes are problematic against zerg. Although this rush would never outright destroy the zerg player, we feel zerg suffers too much of a disadvantage from either having to cancel the fast expansion, or getting trapped inside the main base for too long, so we are also increasing the bunker build time from 30 to 35 seconds.

Siege tanks in large numbers are performing too well in all matchups. In the mid- to late-game, siege tanks are too dominant against all ground units. We want a small set of light and unarmored ground units to perform better against siege tanks. With this in mind, we're changing the Siege Mode damage of the siege tank from 50 to 35, +15 vs. armored; to correspond with this, damage upgrades will be changed from +5 to +3, +2 vs. armored. This change reduces the base damage of the siege tank against light and unarmored units, as well as the splash damage.

Battlecruisers currently lack good counters from the ground and still perform very well against a wide array of unit types. We're aware that it is not easy to get battlecruisers out for the cost, but at the same time, it is possible in both 1v1s and team games to create stalemate situations to bring them out. Overall, we feel that battlecruisers are too strong for their cost, and the terran-forced stalemate situations are causing less interesting gameplay. We will be lowering their damage against ground units from 10 to 8.

Zerg

Ultralisk damage is being decreased from 15, +25 vs. armored to 15, +20 vs. armored. This reduction is comparable to the changes being made to the battlecruiser and siege tank. Like the battlecruiser, ultralisks are simply too powerful for the cost, even though they are difficult to muster. Also, in combination with other units, ultralisks are difficult to counter from the ground. The ultralisk building attack (Ram) is being removed because the damage rate is too similar to its normal attack, which will be used against buildings instead. When ultralisks target tightly packed smaller buildings such as supply depots, the Ram attack is actually outputting considerably less overall damage than its normal attack, as Ram only hits a single target.



And Beyond...

We are reading your posts on the forums and creating lists of features and bugs to address in future patches. We have mid- to long-term plans to further evolve the Custom Game experience, and soon, enhance our social features with the addition of chat channels. We will be sharing more specific information in the coming weeks. As with all of our previous games, we will support StarCraft II for many years to come. Your feedback and participation is critical in making this not only the best game it can be, but also the most engaged gaming community in the world. We look forward to the implementation of patch 1.1, as well as sharing our plans for our future gameplay and Battle.net features.

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/554901

Tanks nerfed finally, thank fucking god.

I'm not toss player, but increasing Zealot build times seems ridiculous. It's not over powered unless you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, ie no Roaches if you're Zerg or not walling in if you're Terran

[CajoleJuice]

"Finally" in a few weeks, when the patch actually hits.

The zealot change is alright with me, and I think I'm the only Toss player here (even though I haven't played since the weekend and I'm not exactly a diamond player). I usually don't even make many zealots off the bat.

[OptimoPeach]

Yeah these nerfs all look pretty good

[Phoenix Dark]

I've lost like 10 of my last 14 games smh

[OptimoPeach]

http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro

MLG semifinals

[ManaByte]

Just won two EPIC 2v2 games with PD. Both Zerg. He handled air while I filled the map with Ultras.

[Phoenix Dark]

His Ultras were essentially immortal. Once I was slow to attack while he was, and his Ultras ran into a bunch of BCs and Hydras. They diced the Hydras and destroyed the Zerg players base before I could even get there

[OptimoPeach]

Double Zerg is still pretty scary. They actually banned it in competitive play in BW lol

[Phoenix Dark]

Wow the MLG finals were crazy

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HuK is amazing. Great one base macro, amazing micro with Stalkers

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[Phoenix Dark]

Got lots of ZvZs today, and none of them boiled down to rushes thank god. Lost one to Mutas, won one with Mutas, and pummeled another one with speedlings.

I hate when things boil down to who rushes Speedlings first. Boring as hell

[ManaByte]

I usually do well with Hydras and Nydus in ZvZ.

[GilloD]

The single player is just a huge tutorial for the MP. It's all about being agressive and managing multiple groups of units. No turtling here

[ManaByte]

Except there are lots of units in the campaign that you can't use in MP