your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque

[demi]

someone with a collage degree

Vote to ban Arvie?

[Madrun Badrun]

I do that every time

[CajoleJuice]

someone post the arvie collage

NOW

[Mupepe]

"I'm just saying, if that mosque gets attacked or bombed it won't be surprising. Just saying"

god fucking dammit

this lady at work said that pretty much verbatim and I responded with "no no.  tell us how you REALLY feel about muslims"  i got a lot of nasty looks for that one.  Probably because I threw it into a conversation I wasn't a part of.  But hey!  if you're going to be eating lunch at the table near my cubicle, try not to say stupid shit.

[Saint Cornelius]

Someone on my FB liked "I DO NOT SUPPORT A MOSQUE BEING BUILT 600 FEET FROM THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!!!!!!!!!!!". I don't know what's sadder: the sentiment, the all caps, or the multiple exclamation points.

[Phoenix Dark]

What bout 1200 feet from the WTC? Is there a numeric limit on freedom of religion?

Now that I know there are already two mosques near Ground Zero, I can't help but let people dig their own grave on the issue before bringing it up.

"a mosque near Ground Zero is just wrong, I'm all for free religion but come on"
"so there shouldn't be a mosque there?"
"of course not, it's not right"
"there are already two mosques there dude"
"Oh well in that case...why do they need another one?"
"dunno, why are there churches on every block in some cities?"

[Madrun Badrun]

I like how weak the "I do not support.." is and then it's all caps and exclamation marks. 

It's like writing

PLEASE SIR IF YOU DON'T MIND WOULD YOU TELL ME WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS!!!!!!

[Brehvolution]

"I'm just saying, if that mosque gets attacked or bombed it won't be surprising. Just saying"

god fucking dammit

this lady at work said that pretty much verbatim and I responded with "no no.  tell us how you REALLY feel about muslims"  i got a lot of nasty looks for that one.  Probably because I threw it into a conversation I wasn't a part of.  But hey!  if you're going to be eating lunch at the table near my cubicle, try not to say stupid shit.

Next time say, "it's like putting a Catholic church next to a playground!"

[Stoney Mason]

This whole situation is simply that sort of Frank Luntz style dial a poll manufactured issue. (Not saying Frank Luntz is behind this, but its simply that sort of mindset) A certain group of people in this country know a lot of "average americans" still think all islamic people are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. So when something like this comes along its perfect fodder. Mix in the sympathetic "its too soon" types, and the generally uninformed which is most people, that's why this stuff happens.

We are still the country that invaded another country for no good reason a few years back while most people sat quietly. We aren't that radically different a country from then no matter who we elect as president.

[Mandark]

Gosh you guys, I'm just tired of both sides using this like a political football.

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Actaully, the Dems do have some Muslim-baiting in their recent past with that Dubai port deal a few years back.  But it's funny to see people (mostly conservatives who realize how terrible their own side is here) try to spin some sort of equivalence on this issue.

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[drew]

Drew's arguments are much like his legs, they are feeble, nonsupporting, and sooner or later someone with a collage degree will dispose of them.

wow, bringing up something from two days ago in a thread whose tone took a 180 since, tisc

[Boogie]

why is this even news if its just some empty first story property in the neighborhood?

WHY

Because.....conservative leaders knew they could whip people like you who they could count on not to fact check (and others worse than you who simply have latent bigotry bubbling beneath the surface) into a frenzy of hysteria?

[CajoleJuice]

why is this even news if its just some empty first story property in the neighborhood?

WHY

Because.....conservative leaders knew they could whip people like you who they could count on not to fact check (and others worse than you who simply have latent bigotry bubbling beneath the surface) into a frenzy of hysteria?

drew annihilated

again

[drew]

in my defense i was really fucking high when i made this thread

[Dickie Dee]

Maybe drew still feels the heartache of that fateful day when lower Manhatten lost Burlington Coat Factory's quality outerwear at affordable prices 

[Eric P]

nah, we got century 21 in the same area

[Phoenix Dark]

Gosh you guys, I'm just tired of both sides using this like a political football.

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Actaully, the Dems do have some Muslim-baiting in their recent past with that Dubai port deal a few years back.  But it's funny to see people (mostly conservatives who realize how terrible their own side is here) try to spin some sort of equivalence on this issue.

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And to think that's considered the "nuanced, more thoughtful" position on this issue.

someone should create a "both sides are wrong" statement generator. Type in a topic (slavery, abortion, etc) and get a beltway approved answer that will get you laid at a David Broder party

[recursivelyenumerable]

beltway approved answer that will get you laid at a David Broder party

every time PD has just about passed the Turing test, he always goes and gives himself away with something like this.

[Fresh Prince]

Nah it's not right wingers it's just stupid people with religious overtones or weak ass thinking (drew  :'()
I bet quite a few of the left wingers think the same way.

[Boogie]

Nah it's not right wingers it's just stupid people with religious overtones or weak ass thinking (drew  :'()
I bet quite a few of the left wingers think the same way.

uh, what?

Cue Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich quotes et al.

[Fresh Prince]

Palin is stupid and religious. Point proven.

[Boogie]

Palin is stupid and religious. Point proven.

and right wing.

[Fresh Prince]

If I was bothered I'd find quotes from Democrats who don't want a mosque there either. But I can't.

[Barry Egan]

beltway approved answer that will get you laid at a David Broder party

every time PD has just about passed the Turing test, he always goes and gives himself away with something like this.

[Stoney Mason]

If I was bothered I'd find quotes from Democrats who don't want a mosque there either. But I can't.

No group is ever monolithic on an issue. But its pretty easy to see this whole thing is mostly generated from those who self identify as "Republicans". Now of course with that easy sterotype not every Republican feels this way nor is every Democrat for this. (Like pussies like Harry Reid). But as a general statement this is a Republican generated issue.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/142202/Disapprove-Approve-Obama-Mosque-Remarks.aspx

[drew]

not through lack of trying, though, times square car bomb, underwear bomber, etcetera, theyre doing pretty well for waging a war at the same time, weve just been lucky that these dudes have been incompetent (so far)

[Fresh Prince]

Bombings in Madrid, London etc.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Bombings in Madrid, London etc.

terrorism only counts if it happens in America

[Veidt]

these fucking terrorists man.

[drew]

terrorism only counts if it happens in America

oh come on you doucheschnozzle, he was specifically referring to the US, reading comprehension is awesome, isnt it

[Fresh Prince]

I don't know in London I think since there's a lot of Muslims any way it wouldn't be so pronounced. But Madrid would probably be similar.

My point was more to do with drew's statement about incompetence. Madrid, London were 'successful'.

[drew]

like i said i was responding to him specifically talking about attempts within the us

[Van Cruncheon]

i'm amazed that the tea party hasn't been gang raped by mosque-building gay messicans yet

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Like I always said, this was just manufactured outrage to shore up support.

Republicans are just upset that muslins haven't been attacking the country much so it must resort to the insidious "who is the Imam?" that tends to work well for the fearmongering set.  They try their hardest to make this guy look like some pawn of Hamas, Al-Qaeda, etc.

Yup - can't win on existing big ticket issues? No problem - just invent one you can win on! Shades of the Tory party campaign against the top threat to our country in the early 90s : New Age Travellers :/

Most Republicans can win on the big ticket issues and Obama's collapsing pre-mosk approval numbers are a sign of that.  They are just making sure they go in for a total annihilation of the Democrats.  They are making sure every nook and cranny is exploited for the midterm elections.  Can't blame em as Democrats are seemingly cooperating with the Republicans to make sure they can hand over power to them accordingly.

I'll also take bets on how after November 2nd, this issue will slowly fade away, depending if the GOP can take over one or both sides of Congress.

[Phoenix Dark]

beltway approved answer that will get you laid at a David Broder party

every time PD has just about passed the Turing test, he always goes and gives himself away with something like this.

 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

is there a Turing test for blackness?

[Dickie Dee]

is there a Turing test for blackness?

[Oblivion]

[chronovore]

i'm amazed that the tea party hasn't been gang raped by mosque-building gay messicans yet

Sadly, this appears to be the one thing to which Rule 34 cannot be applied. I'd fap to this.

[CajoleJuice]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2011680-2,00.html

13. What if the following religious groups proposed building a community center and place of worship two blocks from your home. Would you favor or oppose it?

Jewish:
Favor: 73%
Oppose: 18%
No answer/Don't know: 9%

Catholic:
Favor: 78%
Oppose: 14%
No answer/Don't know: 9%

Muslim:
Favor: 55%
Oppose: 34%
No answer/Don't know: 10%

Mormon:
Favor: 65%
Oppose: 24%
No answer/Don't know: 11%

[AdmiralViscen]

That's better than I thought it would be, really.

[CajoleJuice]

"Every block is Ground Zero"

would make a good movie tagline

[Phoenix Dark]

Good article on the iman in question, including a hilarious imagined conversation between Jihadists on his radical street cred
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/a-flip-in-perspective.html

Insofar as this conversation is unrealistic, it's because every actual radical Islamist would know perfectly well that an imam who works with the FBI, tours on behalf of the State Department, denounces terrorism, defends the US constitution in an Arabic exchange with radicals from Hizb ut-Tahrir, has a good relationship with New York City rabbis, and preaches on behalf of women's rights isn't on their side. In fact, he is exactly the kind of imam that Islamist radicals target and kill when they dare to do these sorts of things in other countries.

[Phoenix Dark]

Your black uncle?

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

That's better than I thought it would be, really.

Time magazine is teh liberal elite.  They don't represent us common folk.  *spit*

[Ganhyun]

As I said at other places, to the anger of many, they have every right to build the community center where it is proposed to be built.*

*So how many of you figured I'd be against it?

Most of the responses i got back against it where from people either like Kosma, who seemed super-sensitive to the issue, and from others who lumped all Muslims in as terrorists and basically think it will lead to Sharia Law within 50 years in the U.S.

[Human Snorenado]

It's come full circle now, bitches:

International outrage over plans to build library next to Sarah Palin.

My personal favorite:  "Meanwhile President Obama has caused unease within his own Democratic party by endorsing the library and claiming that not everyone who reads books is responsible for calling Mrs Palin a fuckwit nutjob nightmare of a human being."

[Dickie Dee]

It's come full circle now, bitches:

International outrage over plans to build library next to Sarah Palin.

My personal favorite:  "Meanwhile President Obama has caused unease within his own Democratic party by endorsing the library and claiming that not everyone who reads books is responsible for calling Mrs Palin a fuckwit nutjob nightmare of a human being."

And Wayne Hayes, a pig masseur from Coontree, Virginia, said: "I is so angry right now.

The body of the article isn't quite up to Onion standards, but that made me lol

[Boogie]

I must say, Jon Stewart has been killing it this week on the issue.

[Stoney Mason]

I must say, Jon Stewart has been killing it this week on the issue.

To be fair its pretty easy to slay when biggots, crazy people, and hypocrites constitute much of the other side.

[Tristam]

That's better than I thought it would be, really.

Some of those public polling questions are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged as public polling questions tend to be. "Do you think Muslims are patriotic Americans?" Who the fuck designs these questions? Sarah Palin?

[huckleberry]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/38779318#38779318

I am really trying to understand what the hell Howard Dean is trying to say here.  He says he is trying to start a real dialog about the community center but repeatedly brings up the opposition to it being the "right wing of the Republican party"....

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/38779318#38779318

I am really trying to understand what the hell Howard Dean is trying to say here.  He says he is trying to start a real dialog about the community center but repeatedly brings up the opposition to it being the "right wing of the Republican party"....

He's trying to have it both ways. Be a progressive darling yet take the wrong side on this issue.

[T-Short]

It's simple. The jihadists attacked america because they hate your freedom. By refusing this community center to be built, NYC is simply delivering a preemptive strike on freedom, so the crazy muslims have less to be aggravated by.

[Phoenix Dark]

Really don't get Dean's position here, and the stuttering/stumbling is just weird. What does he gain by taking this position? He's not running for office

[Phoenix Dark]

but Dean usually doesn't fall for that  :'( :'( :'(

[rodi]

We should put another Starbucks there. More free wi-fi, plz.

[Homemade Milk]

i think we should just rebuild the twin towers, except with defenses against another air attack or something, or like make it strong enough to like defend

[rodi]

Build a real life version of the ghost academy from Starcrat II or the command center with the planetary defense turret on top.

[Brehvolution]

They should rebuild the twin towers and let them put a mosque into each of them. That way they won't be re-targeted.

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zomg Ground Zero Mosques

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