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Do you agree with the currently proposed plan of building a Mosque int the rubble of the World Trade Center?

yes, it promotes peace and understanding and other hippie bullshit
yes, at least it'll get built, unlike that ridiculous freedom tower
no, this is Amurica, my freedoms, etcetera (Sarah Palin option)
no, a house of worship in the very foundation where the largest religiously motivated slaughter of people in modern time is a slap in the face and a spit in the eye of every rational adult that thinks the world would be better off without it
i dont give a shit (Mupepe ption)

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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »
if you had half a brain youd realize that theres obviously nothing legal that you could counter the plan with, its a question of right and wrong, from the gut, not the head, and this is obviously pretty fucked up in that regard

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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2010, 04:34:18 PM »
if you had half a brain youd realize that theres obviously nothing legal that you could counter the plan with, its a question of right and wrong, from the gut, not the head, and this is obviously pretty fucked up in that regard

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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2010, 06:11:24 PM »
if you had half a brain youd realize that theres obviously nothing legal that you could counter the plan with, its a question of right and wrong, from the gut, not the head, and this is obviously pretty fucked up in that regard

because gut decisions are the way to go

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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2010, 08:11:11 PM »
I just keep thinking of how bitter I'd be if I died there that day with the knowledge that it'd be used as a push to get a mosque built, the speech they gave in new York the other day with all those religious figures seemed like a slap in the face to people that died because of religious motives, it's a selfish thought, all it's doing is making people that are still alive feel better about themselves because they are oh so understanding and clairvoyant

And if you were one of the  muslims who died in the towers?
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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2010, 08:14:26 PM »
if you had half a brain youd realize that theres obviously nothing legal that you could counter the plan with, its a question of right and wrong, from the gut, not the head, and this is obviously pretty fucked up in that regard

That's right, it is a question of right and wrong, and in a country founded on the freedom of religious belief, liberty, freedom of expression, etc, etc, etc, the "right" side is the one that says "this is a free motherfucking country, and if someone wants to buy some private land and build a gawdamned mosque on it, all the more power to them, you handwringing, reactionary douchebag."
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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2010, 08:18:49 PM »
religion has killed more people than anything else in history,

It's always the people who don't study history who makes statements like this.
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2010, 08:30:34 PM »
What if someone put a bank nearby :omg don't a lot of people kill each other over money :omg
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« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2010, 08:33:23 PM »
What if someone put a bank nearby :omg don't a lot of people kill each other over money :omg

Or a flag.  Lots of people kill each other over flags too. :omg
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« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2010, 08:44:19 PM »
What if someone put a bank nearby :omg don't a lot of people kill each other over money :omg

Or a flag.  Lots of people kill each other over flags too. :omg
Or land. :omg  People get killed over land all the time. :omg

This line of thinking will result in the Freedom Towers being built on FREEDOM ISLAND

so carry on
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2010, 09:02:58 PM »
What if they built a giant AmericaPool™, and invented tablets real Americans could throw in which would turn the water red if terrorists were in it, sort of like those pee tablets?
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2010, 09:10:44 PM »
if you had half a brain youd realize that theres obviously nothing legal that you could counter the plan with, its a question of right and wrong, from the gut, not the head, and this is obviously pretty fucked up in that regard
if you had half a brain youd realize that theres obviously nothing legal that you could counter the plan with, its a question of right and wrong, from the gut, not the head, and this is obviously pretty fucked up in that regard

because gut decisions are the way to go

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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2010, 09:11:07 PM »
oh look, a candian trying to lecture me on america, why dont you go shampoo your horse and leave me alone

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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2010, 09:20:15 PM »
What if Nintendo moved it's HQ to Ground Zero
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« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2010, 09:22:40 PM »
oh look, a candian trying to lecture me on america, why dont you go shampoo your horse and leave me alone

Hey drew, name this quote:

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We hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, “that Religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the Manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence.” The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right. It is unalienable; because the opinions of men, depending only on the evidence contemplated by their own minds, cannot follow the dictates of other men: It is unalienable also; because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the Creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him
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« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2010, 09:33:01 PM »
Alternatively, I wish I had the gift of satire and wit of the Right Honourable Van Cruncheon and his ilk.  To be able to skillfully dismiss your concerns with a couple lines that makes others break out in uncontrolled laughter.  Unfortunately, I do not, and instead, I am irredeemably earnest.

So to you, drew, I say this:

This controversy is indeed a litmus test issue.  Unfortunately, it is one in which you have been found wanting.  Because for anyone to know the facts of the case, and to come down on the side of "this mosque must not be built!", then they are indeed on the side of the reactionaries, the bigots, and the irrationally fearful.

Because, for as much as here in the year 2010, we are the products of cynicism, and bitterness....as much as the United States of America seems to be losing its way as the inmates try their best to run the asylum...as much as serious issues are ignored or put aside in favour of the histrionics of the day...and as much as the history of America is filled with pain, mistakes and suffering that mar the high aims and ideals of its founding...

if America remains any sort of example to the world....if terms such as "liberty", and "freedom" mean anything other than being vacuous expressions of self-congratulatory chest-thumping by rednecks at NASCAR races, then one cannot offer any sort of opposition to a group of people who decide to purchase an amount of private land, and of their own free will, decide to construct a place of worship on that land.

So yes, if you disagree with that, I would say that this filthy socialist canuck understands America, or at least America as it was meant to be, better than you ever will.
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« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2010, 10:14:28 PM »
this just in, beavers and eagles embracing, shedding single tears ::)

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« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2010, 10:17:26 PM »
this just in, beavers and eagles embracing, shedding single tears ::)

this just in:  drew thread backfire, incapable of responding except in weak one-liners that don't support his position in any way.  ::)
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2010, 10:21:24 PM »
What if someone put a bank nearby :omg don't a lot of people kill each other over money :omg

Yeah, lots of people have been killed globally in the interest of money and international trading. So...some kind of monument to world trade?
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« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2010, 10:36:32 PM »
this just in:  drew thread backfire, incapable of responding except in weak one-liners that don't support his position in any way.  ::)

im currently enjoying a nice narcotic buzz and have a few things id like to do tonight, so no, i dont feel like writing paragraphs debating with some guy on the internet, im so sorry to disappoint you

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« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2010, 10:42:58 PM »
this just in:  drew thread backfire, incapable of responding except in weak one-liners that don't support his position in any way.  ::)

im currently enjoying a nice narcotic buzz and have a few things id like to do tonight, so no, i dont feel like writing paragraphs debating with some guy on the internet, im so sorry to disappoint you

Hey, it's your thread, if you can't back it up...
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2010, 10:50:44 PM »
what about a 40 storey high statue of Rambo and Dutch?

TWIN POWERS

:lol

The more I think about it, an airstrip might be the most practical option.
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2010, 11:24:00 PM »
Drew bringing all the intellectual heft a half semester of Ohio community college can give.

Uh, I made it to my junior year, and I've never gone to community college, don't know where you're pullin this bullshit from

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« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2010, 11:37:48 PM »
Shouldn't the real issue be that it's been almost 10 years since the disaster and they haven't built a fucking thing on the site yet? That's where the outrage should be.

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« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2010, 11:39:03 PM »
Shouldn't the real issue be that it's been almost 10 years since the disaster and they haven't built a fucking thing on the site yet? That's where the outrage should be.

There's an option for that, douche.
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« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2010, 12:36:17 AM »
Shouldn't the real issue be that it's been almost 10 years since the disaster and they haven't built a fucking thing on the site yet? That's where the outrage should be.

Free market and shit.
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2010, 12:41:27 AM »
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/08/welcome-to-the-neighborhood-a-look-at-the-area-around-the-ground-zero-mosque.php?img=2&ref=fpblg

Strip club within 10 miles of Ground Zero :usacry

More like  :american

Ground Zero should support working moms, not terrorist jihad training facilities.
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« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2010, 12:43:18 AM »
There is also a marina within 10 miles of GZ. No more marinas!
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2010, 05:24:58 AM »
i still cant believe some of you morons think that this decision is a good idea, it is completely devoid of tact and class, not to mention common frigging sense, jesus christ what is wrong with you

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« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2010, 05:37:51 AM »
:spin
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« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2010, 05:46:00 AM »
i still cant believe some of you morons think that this decision is a good idea, it is completely devoid of tact and class, not to mention common frigging sense, jesus christ what is wrong with you

lul. Dude, it doesn't even look like a fucking mosque. It's sponsored by two of the most progressive Muslims in America. It's LEED certified for fucks sake. I know that area- It's sleazy as fuck. This Mosque would probably be the nicest thing around for blocks and blocks.
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« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2010, 05:51:49 AM »
drew feels really strongly about this. so strongly he feels like getting drugged up and ranting on an internet forum.
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« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2010, 11:27:54 AM »
i still cant believe some of you morons think that this decision is a good idea, it is completely devoid of tact and class, not to mention common frigging sense, jesus christ what is wrong with you

it's not a mosque and it's not at Ground Zero but other than that it's a compelling argument (no it isn't)
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« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2010, 02:18:02 PM »
Shouldn't the real issue be that it's been almost 10 years since the disaster and they haven't built a fucking thing on the site yet? That's where the outrage should be.

Free market and shit.

Actually it has been a major cluster fuck from the last NY governor who tried to make the rebuilding project all political and shit.

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« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2010, 02:30:23 PM »



Oh....My....God......

That can't possibly be real.  Right?  RIGHT?!  Someone tell me that's a joke.
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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2010, 03:13:12 PM »
drew feels really strongly about this. so strongly he feels like getting drugged up and ranting on an internet forum.

i just slept for 10 hours and im still a little high

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Re: your feelings on the proposed WTC mosque
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2010, 08:47:23 PM »
i have something to confess, i hope you guys will go easy on me since im admitting this...i didnt know that this was just a guy that owned private land wanting to develop across the street or something, i was under the impression that this was a plan set forth by the comittee that's responsible for rebuilding something on the foundation of the WTC, if this is just some guy wanting to make a mosque in the general area then i dont care, at all, the area isnt hallowed ground, witht he exception of the actual foundation plot...so, yeah, im an ignorant reactionary idiot and blah blah, lay it on me, i deserve it

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« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2010, 09:04:49 PM »
lay it on me, i deserve it

naw, kudos for being man enough to admit when you're wrong on teh internetz.  It's a rare enough thing that it needs to be encouraged.  ;)
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« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2010, 09:36:05 PM »
Issue was brought up on my favorite local sports radio show, and I couldn't believe how many utterly distinguished mentally-challenged calls got through. One especially made me groan. Quick insight: one of the hosts is a huge Michigan State fan, perhaps best known for this rant. Last week someone put a bunch of removable University of Michigan stickers all on his car right. So blah blah blah, he laughed about it and it was a funny story.

Today a caller called in and mentioned the stickers, everyone was laughing, then he literally pivoted into this shit: "now lets imagine a University of Michigan player murdered your entire family. Now someone putting University of Michigan stickers all over your car has an entirely different message right? It's the same thing with this mosque"

almost crashed my car in anger  :lol
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« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2010, 10:28:51 PM »
i have something to confess, i hope you guys will go easy on me since im admitting this...

:lol No, if anything you deserve it more for not doing any research. Of course you are American, nobody ever thinks that far
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« Reply #100 on: August 17, 2010, 11:10:40 PM »
go to youropenbook.org and search "mosk"

it's hilarious
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« Reply #101 on: August 17, 2010, 11:46:52 PM »
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« Reply #102 on: August 17, 2010, 11:47:36 PM »
i have something to confess, i hope you guys will go easy on me since im admitting this...i didnt know that this was just a guy that owned private land wanting to develop across the street or something, i was under the impression that this was a plan set forth by the comittee that's responsible for rebuilding something on the foundation of the WTC, if this is just some guy wanting to make a mosque in the general area then i dont care, at all, the area isnt hallowed ground, witht he exception of the actual foundation plot...so, yeah, im an ignorant reactionary idiot and blah blah, lay it on me, i deserve it

now if only people who watch fox news (like my parents) would say this
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« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2010, 12:27:13 AM »
True to a point, but certain religions (ok, almost all of them) go out of their way to foster hatred when speaking to the faithful even when condemning it to the public. When 'the few' includes the thought-leaders of the movement, then I think it becomes fairer game. If you willingly participate in a movement that fosters violence, bigotry, hatred, expansionism etc...you also become at least partially responsible for the actions of others motivated by that movement. Not a black and white situation, in other words.
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« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2010, 01:30:23 AM »
Justin Eichelt I dont get it whites are racist against blacks because of what happened over 100 years but somthing happened in 2001 to us americans we cant be racist to muslims if the fu**ers want to build a mosk next to ground zero i say we burn it down if it built
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« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2010, 10:35:18 AM »
i did the same thing.  i read the first two and was like "WHAT AM I DOING?"
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« Reply #107 on: August 18, 2010, 10:36:00 AM »
The fact that it's even an issue and the fact that it requires an investigation speaks volumes about our absurd government and political atmosphere.

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« Reply #108 on: August 18, 2010, 10:36:29 AM »
why is this even news if its just some empty first story property in the neighborhood?

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« Reply #109 on: August 18, 2010, 10:58:24 AM »
Who's acting like the nazis now? :smug
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« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2010, 11:53:20 AM »
I really hate how older Jews' response to the building seems to be the equivalent of:

"I know what yous sayin', but I'm just sayin'."
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« Reply #111 on: August 18, 2010, 11:59:30 AM »
I really hate how older Jews' response to the building seems to be the equivalent of:

"I know what yous sayin', but I'm just sayin'."
That sounds like older anybody I encounter.  My wife's cousin is a cool motherfucker.  But the dude is insane when it comes to politics.  He is always super far right and talks about how doctors now can't stay in business because of ObamaCare.  I tell him he listens to too much Glenn Beck and Fox News.  And everytime I call him out on something like his "Eating healthy is cheaper than eating bad!  How are all these poor people so fat??" shit, he always just responds with "I'm just sayin... why we gotta help poor people??"

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So you state your argument, back it up with your opinion, and when proven false you just restate your disproven argument.  Fucking ridiculous, man.  Discussions about the Arizona law are equally ridiculous.  Especially when you consider that almost his entire family is illegal!  Blows my mind.

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« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2010, 12:44:28 PM »
I really hate how older Jews' response to the building seems to be the equivalent of:

"I know what yous sayin', but I'm just sayin'."

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« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2010, 02:06:55 PM »
I was using the achievement tracker on GiantBomb on Civilization Revolution. Every single 'win a match with this race' was marked green for common except for Arabs. lol :(

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« Reply #114 on: August 18, 2010, 02:31:15 PM »
"I'm just saying" and "I don't know about that" have become valuable tools in the new political discourse.
It's true.  Because it tells me exactly who I shouldn't bother discussing politics with.  I always end it with "do some research and get back to me"

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« Reply #115 on: August 18, 2010, 02:42:51 PM »
I blame Bill Clinton.

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« Reply #116 on: August 18, 2010, 02:43:32 PM »
The worst term thrown around in political discourse is the often disingenuous phrase of "the research shows".
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« Reply #117 on: August 18, 2010, 02:48:34 PM »
"the research shows that most muslims are terrorists!"

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« Reply #118 on: August 18, 2010, 02:51:20 PM »
this just in, beavers and eagles embracing, shedding single tears ::)

this just in:  drew thread backfire, incapable of responding except in weak one-liners that don't support his position in any way.  ::)

Drew's arguments are much like his legs, they are feeble, nonsupporting, and sooner or later someone with a collage degree will dispose of them.

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« Reply #119 on: August 18, 2010, 03:06:36 PM »
"I'm just saying, if that mosque gets attacked or bombed it won't be surprising. Just saying"

god fucking dammit
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