3DS Conference - READ OP

[AdmiralViscen]

Compared to the PSP1 and the handheld gaming market at that point, the Nintendo DS got everything absolutely right.

Is "absolutely right" the achievement of not releasing a single compelling game that wasn't a port, remake or JRPG? That's some great variety. You're still talking about this from an investor's point of view. In terms of marketing, the DS was great. And in those same terms, it seemed to beat the PSP at every turn. But when you look at it from a software perspective, even PSP's hamstrung third-party support managed to pop out more variety than Nintendo's console.

It's easy for people to look at it from a basement dweller's perspective, but in the real world, it is powerful and accessible software that will always excel.

'Casual' is 'accessible'. If people are still having a hard time admitting the DS's 'casual' offerings were incredibly fun, genuinely compelling and completely accessible, then those same people are going to be in a shock when Kinect and Dance Central numbers come in. Hint: it's going to fucking dominate this christmas.

Nintendo Dogs redefined the handheld market forever. Nintendo did indeed get it absolutely right.

You do realize Nintendo Dogs came out almost a year after DS, right? That the DS completely floundered out of the gate?

Are you saying Nintendo Dogs wasn't revolutionary because it wasn't a day 1 release?

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to bring up software that came out a year later when we are talking about how something might not be successful out of the gate due to high price.

AT THAT POINT that DS was released it was doing nothing right.

[TripleA]

Compared to the PSP1 and the handheld gaming market at that point, the Nintendo DS got everything absolutely right.

Is "absolutely right" the achievement of not releasing a single compelling game that wasn't a port, remake or JRPG? That's some great variety. You're still talking about this from an investor's point of view. In terms of marketing, the DS was great. And in those same terms, it seemed to beat the PSP at every turn. But when you look at it from a software perspective, even PSP's hamstrung third-party support managed to pop out more variety than Nintendo's console.

It's easy for people to look at it from a basement dweller's perspective, but in the real world, it is powerful and accessible software that will always excel.

'Casual' is 'accessible'. If people are still having a hard time admitting the DS's 'casual' offerings were incredibly fun, genuinely compelling and completely accessible, then those same people are going to be in a shock when Kinect and Dance Central numbers come in. Hint: it's going to fucking dominate this christmas.

Nintendo Dogs redefined the handheld market forever. Nintendo did indeed get it absolutely right.

You do realize Nintendo Dogs came out almost a year after DS, right? That the DS completely floundered out of the gate?

Are you saying Nintendo Dogs wasn't revolutionary because it wasn't a day 1 release?

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to bring up software that came out a year later when we are talking about how something might not be successful out of the gate due to high price.

AT THAT POINT that DS was released it was doing nothing right.

I completely disagree; as a touch-enabled handheld gaming device, they absolutely nailed it right out of the gate.

[pilonv1]

shit/bin & ltf pls

[TakingBackSunday]

Compared to the PSP1 and the handheld gaming market at that point, the Nintendo DS got everything absolutely right.

Is "absolutely right" the achievement of not releasing a single compelling game that wasn't a port, remake or JRPG? That's some great variety. You're still talking about this from an investor's point of view. In terms of marketing, the DS was great. And in those same terms, it seemed to beat the PSP at every turn. But when you look at it from a software perspective, even PSP's hamstrung third-party support managed to pop out more variety than Nintendo's console.

It's easy for people to look at it from a basement dweller's perspective, but in the real world, it is powerful and accessible software that will always excel.

'Casual' is 'accessible'. If people are still having a hard time admitting the DS's 'casual' offerings were incredibly fun, genuinely compelling and completely accessible, then those same people are going to be in a shock when Kinect and Dance Central numbers come in. Hint: it's going to fucking dominate this christmas.

Nintendo Dogs redefined the handheld market forever. Nintendo did indeed get it absolutely right.

You do realize Nintendo Dogs came out almost a year after DS, right? That the DS completely floundered out of the gate?

Are you saying Nintendo Dogs wasn't revolutionary because it wasn't a day 1 release?

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to bring up software that came out a year later when we are talking about how something might not be successful out of the gate due to high price.

AT THAT POINT that DS was released it was doing nothing right.

I completely disagree; as a touch-enabled handheld gaming device, they absolutely nailed it right out of the gate.

jesus christ, no.  and I love the DS.  you're terrible.

have we all decided that tripleA is nintendobooger?

[Raban]

I'll just wait for the inevitable slim re-design that launches at $200 instead of $300

[naff]

What's all this I'm hearing about supply issues and these 'issues' being the reason for the push back to 2011. If true that means we're probably not going to get anything 3DS related officially released here till late April earliest (Down Under ). Maybe I should buy a PSP in the meantime. With all this handheld hype I feel bad not owning one.

[Brehvolution]

$250 US DOLLARS

[cool breeze]

I just read that the Paper Mario game is a brand new game and not a port of the N64 that people said it was back at E3 

I hope it isn't boring as shit like the third Mario and Luigi game on DS or Super Paper Mario.  Still, the true Paper Mario games are 2 for 2 

[demi]

Why do ou need to read? The video clearly shows new things that wasnt in either Paper Mario

[cool breeze]

Because people were saying it was a port of the N64 game until a few days ago.  I didn't really pay attention to it in the video because I was just assuming it was that port.

Whatever.  New Paper Mario game Leave Luck to Heaven-sama sorry about contributing to the expensive cost of it

[TakingBackSunday]

Everyone's known it was a new Paper Mario since E3 

and yeah it looks fucking phenomenal.  some people who played it at nintendo's conference said it was the best implementation of the 3D they've seen

[Beezy]

I didn't know it was a new Paper Mario either.

[originalz]

I sure as hell wasn't a believer in the DS at first, the launch lineup didn't really interest me (I guess I wanted the new Lunar but it turned out to be shit).  Kind of played around with my friend's systems but didn't find it that amazing, my roommate actually let me borrow his for a long period of time in which I just mainly played my GBA games on it.  Advance Wars DS was probably the first real "must have" game for the system, and I played the absolute shit out of it, didn't need any other games for awhile.

I'd say that by the time the Lite came out, it was a pretty solid system, that's when I finally bought mine.

[magus]

greatest ds game on launch?

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

5 years later and we have a port/sequelfest :'(

[EmCeeGrammar]

Pac Pix was only "good" if you were starved for novelty. It was a fun tech demo that wasn't worth the 20-30 dollars at the time. It would be a 99 cent app in this day and age.

[Raban]

Pac Pix was only "good" if you were starved for novelty. It was a fun tech demo that wasn't worth the 20-30 dollars at the time. It would be a 99 cent app in this day and age.

Nailed it.

[Third]

I'm really looking forward to the 3DS. The support is great. Next handheld battle will be tough for PSP2.

[TakingBackSunday]

magus likes pac pix?

everything makes sense now

[magus]

it's so... original,they will never make a game like it again :'(
i played it to the point where i S ranked everything
i even have the original copy

spoiler (click to show/hide)

bought second hand of course

[close]

[demi]

i think i'm more shocked that you actually bought a retail game

[demi]

Next handheld battle will be tough for PSP2.

lol.

[TripleA]

Compared to the PSP1 and the handheld gaming market at that point, the Nintendo DS got everything absolutely right.

Is "absolutely right" the achievement of not releasing a single compelling game that wasn't a port, remake or JRPG? That's some great variety. You're still talking about this from an investor's point of view. In terms of marketing, the DS was great. And in those same terms, it seemed to beat the PSP at every turn. But when you look at it from a software perspective, even PSP's hamstrung third-party support managed to pop out more variety than Nintendo's console.

It's easy for people to look at it from a basement dweller's perspective, but in the real world, it is powerful and accessible software that will always excel.

'Casual' is 'accessible'. If people are still having a hard time admitting the DS's 'casual' offerings were incredibly fun, genuinely compelling and completely accessible, then those same people are going to be in a shock when Kinect and Dance Central numbers come in. Hint: it's going to fucking dominate this christmas.

Nintendo Dogs redefined the handheld market forever. Nintendo did indeed get it absolutely right.

You do realize Nintendo Dogs came out almost a year after DS, right? That the DS completely floundered out of the gate?

Are you saying Nintendo Dogs wasn't revolutionary because it wasn't a day 1 release?

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to bring up software that came out a year later when we are talking about how something might not be successful out of the gate due to high price.

AT THAT POINT that DS was released it was doing nothing right.

I completely disagree; as a touch-enabled handheld gaming device, they absolutely nailed it right out of the gate.

jesus christ, no.  and I love the DS.  you're terrible.

have we all decided that tripleA is nintendobooger?

What makes you think I'm Nintendobooger

[TripleA]

I'm really looking forward to the 3DS. The support is great. Next handheld battle will be tough for PSP2.

The only way the next handheld battle will be tough for the PSP2 is if Sony royally fucks up with the PSP2.

Nintendo have made some very terrible decisions with the 3DS. If Sony fails to seize this chance -this very rare opportunity- then quite frankly they shouldn't even bother with a PSP2.

Nintendo need a reality check; it's this sort of laziness, ignorance and arrogance that led to the PS1 dominating the N64.

[TakingBackSunday]

[TripleA]

 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

More like TripleF amirite?

Regarding the DS launch, I was one of the very few that liked Super Mario 64 DS.  I got all of the stars with the D-Pad and liked the new additions the game added.  Still vastly superior to games like NSMB and YI2, both were games that look and played like they were designed by interns and fanboys.

[demi]

What makes you think I'm Nintendobooger

lol. well... "someone" who claimed to be him was telling everyone to unban him... then you appear

:whistle

[magus]

Only in Japan. i got a DS at launch and didn't play shit until Meteos and Kirby in July or August. Nintendo Dogs didn't hit Europe until October.

Also why is there a word filter that turns Nintendogs into Nintendo Dogs?

that word filter bothers the shit out of me

[Diunx]

The only fuck up Sony did with the psp was the piracy thing, the psp is by far the best portable gaming device on the market.

[demi]

The only fuck up Sony did with the psp was the piracy thing, the psp is by far the best portable gaming device on the market.

DS is far more piratable and easier to pirate even - you can emulate it now

[EmCeeGrammar]

The only fuck up Sony did with the psp was the piracy thing, the psp is by far the best portable gaming device on the market.

Psp has no games

[Diunx]

The only fuck up Sony did with the psp was the piracy thing, the psp is by far the best portable gaming device on the market.

DS is far more piratable and easier to pirate even - you can emulate it now

To pirate the console you need to buy shit, for the psp all you need is an usb cable, you are right about the emus though.

[demi]

You gotta buy a memory card for PSP. It costs about the same as a DS cart + SDHC

[MyNameIsMethodis]

what do I have to buy to pirate on my dsi XXL

[demi]

Google it

[Diunx]

You gotta buy a memory card for PSP. It costs about the same as a DS cart + SDHC

But can you buy a flash cart at any gaming store in the states?

[Eel O'Brian]

iphone games do well because they cost a dollar

[Diunx]

Sony just need to let people play farmville on their psp2s.

[Damian79]

I reckon the new psp will be be called psp^2, for playstation portable phone.

[Diunx]

Its not sarcasm, I'm sure sony could work something out with facebook and Zynga games and it would indeed be a killer app.

[archie4208]

How would Farmville be a killer app when iDevices already have it?  Nobody is going to buy a PSP to play that game.

[naff]

The only fuck up Sony did with the psp was the piracy thing, the psp is by far the best portable gaming device on the market.

DS is far more piratable and easier to pirate even - you can emulate it now

To pirate the console you need to buy shit, for the psp all you need is an usb cable, you are right about the emus though.

Soon as PSP has a decent emu workin I will be playing Peace Walker on it. I thought they did and tried getting PCSP workin but it still needs a reasonable amount of work to catch up with the DS emus.

[Eel O'Brian]

see, i think the opposite

instead of focusing on minigames (although they should have those as well), they need to be making into even MORE of a console experience, so that when you are not playing it on the go you can jack it into your tv and use it like a portable ps2.5 (or so)

fully integrated bluetooth dualshock compatibility with support for four controllers

mini-hdmi port with adapter in the box

games which support split-screen/same-screen multiplayer when the unit is connected to a tv

wireless LAN play between two units connected to two tvs

iPhone/Touch has the casual minigame market pretty well wrapped, and nintendo's gonna eat up all the leftovers, so sony has nowhere to go with this other than selling it as a highly portable/powerful console

if i knew i could buy a psp2, throw it in a bag with a couple of ps3 controllers (which i already own), take it over to a friend's house and jack it into the tv, and play a split-screen racer or co-op shooter, i'd pre-order one tomorrow

but if it's just me on the couch playing the same psp games only a little bit prettier, they can keep it

[Raban]

More like TripleF amirite?

Regarding the DS launch, I was one of the very few that liked Super Mario 64 DS.  I got all of the stars with the D-Pad and liked the new additions the game added.  Still vastly superior to games like NSMB and YI2, both were games that look and played like they were designed by interns and fanboys.

I wish you didn't have me on ignore so you could see how much I fucking agree with this. Platforming is my favorite genre of video games and the crown king of 3D platformers, imo, is still SM64, and SM64DS is a step ahead of the N64 original. As much as I disliked the addition of more characters to replace the function of the different caps, I easily put more than 100 hours into SM64DS. Even after 100%ing it, I continued to just mess around and replay levels for fun. Really the only reason I ever owned a DS, and OoT will probably be the only reason I'll ever own a 3DS. However, I'm never paying $300 for a handheld system.

[naff]

PSP2 certainly has other grounds they can compete on with 3DS. ie how 360 differentiates itself from PS3 with better online features. If PSP2 has better integration with PSN (trophies, friends, etc), the online service is good (Digital Distribution is done right, things download fast, theres a feeling of a solid online community)  I think that's a big market right there and it's something handhelds haven't done right yet. The rumoured touch controls sound interesting too, I think if they have basic features like component/hdmi out with bluetooth controller tethering that would be a massive boon for the system with casuals and the hardcore. I wouldn't be surprised to see a host of PS2 remakes/ports for the system at launch too similar to this 3DS launch line up.

[cool breeze]

see, i think the opposite

instead of focusing on minigames (although they should have those as well), they need to be making into even MORE of a console experience, so that when you are not playing it on the go you can jack it into your tv and use it like a portable ps2.5 (or so)

fully integrated bluetooth dualshock compatibility with support for four controllers

mini-hdmi port with adapter in the box

games which support split-screen/same-screen multiplayer when the unit is connected to a tv

wireless LAN play between two units connected to two tvs

iPhone/Touch has the casual minigame market pretty well wrapped, and nintendo's gonna eat up all the leftovers, so sony has nowhere to go with this other than selling it as a highly portable/powerful console

if i knew i could buy a psp2, throw it in a bag with a couple of ps3 controllers (which i already own), take it over to a friend's house and jack it into the tv, and play a split-screen racer or co-op shooter, i'd pre-order one tomorrow

but if it's just me on the couch playing the same psp games only a little bit prettier, they can keep it

Definitely.  There should be a proper way to play the games on your TV from day one.  I'm still surprised that there isn't an ideal way to do it for the PSP  Closest is the PSP Go by connecting a PS3 controller via bluetooth, or what Resistance Retribution does (clusterfuck not worth detailing), but the PSP video output is awful; the aspect ratio is messed up and you can't view games in full screen.  Ideally it would be like the Sega Nomad, except practical.  Though, chances are the PSP2 will have a touch screen and tilt sensor that may inhibit some inputs if using a standard PS3 controller.

The only problem you'll end up having is where to draw the line between the PSP2 and PS3.  Assuming it is between the PS2 and PS3 in terms of quality, the cost it would take to make games for the system would have less of a gap.  Are they just going to stick to old ports again? I think that will be a problem for Nintendo with the 3DS/Wii;  both systems are close enough.  I guess push local co-op or waggle required games on the Wii, single player and the usual round up of Nintendo games on the 3DS.

Regarding the DS launch, I was one of the very few that liked Super Mario 64 DS.  I got all of the stars with the D-Pad and liked the new additions the game added.  Still vastly superior to games like NSMB and YI2, both were games that look and played like they were designed by interns and fanboys.

If 'very few' people liked SM64DS in general, I must be in a special super minority that enjoyed the multiplayer a lot  :'(

[TripleA]

What makes you think I'm Nintendobooger

lol. well... "someone" who claimed to be him was telling everyone to unban him... then you appear

:whistle

That was probably a covert Xbot trying to get Nintendobooger permabanned.

[TripleA]

PSP2 certainly has other grounds they can compete on with 3DS. ie how 360 differentiates itself from PS3 with better online features. If PSP2 has better integration with PSN (trophies, friends, etc), the online service is good (Digital Distribution is done right, things download fast, theres a feeling of a solid online community)  I think that's a big market right there and it's something handhelds haven't done right yet. The rumoured touch controls sound interesting too, I think if they have basic features like component/hdmi out with bluetooth controller tethering that would be a massive boon for the system with casuals and the hardcore. I wouldn't be surprised to see a host of PS2 remakes/ports for the system at launch too similar to this 3DS launch line up.

DING DING DING!

Although I disagree about HDMI inclusion, I think that might hurt PS3 sales in the long run.

[TripleA]

almost all games released for the system are built as "console quality" experiences that nobody wants to play because they can play better "console quality" games on fucking consoles.

And this is exactly why I think Nintendo need to wake the fuck up with the 3DS.

Metal Gear Solid? Assassins Creed? Dead or Alive? Saints Row? Resident Evil? Ridge Racer? Splinter Cell? Super Street Fighter? DJ Hero?

Have they learned nothing from PSP?

[TripleA]

iphone games do well because they cost a dollar

They also do well because they have a completely different design philosophy i.e they're not 30 hour long entertainment products.

You know what? I think Sony should impose a limit on how long a PSP2 game can be. Nothing more than 10 hours.

Developers will bitch and moan like little korean school girls, but ultimately, such a move will ensure that the platform has shorter and much more polished games.

[naff]

Sony would be best carving a niche as the only person offering a premium gaming handheld as premium products are what they do best.

True. As much as I think they could make something I could be into, they're not going to be first to market, the PSP was outsold 2 fold by the DS and from what I can discern, has a lower tie ratio - something like 4.5 -> DS's 4.8 pretty similar but when you factor in DS sold twice as many and it's most recent iteration is unpopular and widely criticised. I can't imagine Nintendo not beating them into a pulp at market yet again, they'll be able to secure a niche though, and they'll probably do fairly well like with PSP. Whatever success they do have with PSP2 will no doubt be overshadowed by 3DS's success. Seems fairly well written in stone to me.

[EmCeeGrammar]

see, i think the opposite

instead of focusing on minigames (although they should have those as well), they need to be making into even MORE of a console experience, so that when you are not playing it on the go you can jack it into your tv and use it like a portable ps2.5 (or so)

fully integrated bluetooth dualshock compatibility with support for four controllers

mini-hdmi port with adapter in the box

games which support split-screen/same-screen multiplayer when the unit is connected to a tv

wireless LAN play between two units connected to two tvs

iPhone/Touch has the casual minigame market pretty well wrapped, and nintendo's gonna eat up all the leftovers, so sony has nowhere to go with this other than selling it as a highly portable/powerful console

if i knew i could buy a psp2, throw it in a bag with a couple of ps3 controllers (which i already own), take it over to a friend's house and jack it into the tv, and play a split-screen racer or co-op shooter, i'd pre-order one tomorrow

but if it's just me on the couch playing the same psp games only a little bit prettier, they can keep it

This all sounds like what YOU want the psp2 to be, as opposed to what will make it successful.  The market for portable gaming are kids and their Nintendo franchises and adults on their phone who want a quick diversion when waiting in line. That's the practical reality of it.  Nothing you described above comes across as an advantage over a home console, other than that's a lighter load.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I wouldn't say the PSP failed, it sold tens of millions of units.  It just wasn't the freak success of the DS.

The PSP lost momentum because it cost more money to buy a game than the DS and the PSP lacked those momentum building hits like Nintendogs.  Not that it wasn't a fine system but the software that propelled the DS to success was lacking on the PSP.

As for the PSP2, I'm not even sure how it can be a success.  The iPad/iPod Touch platform is going to take most of the mature audience and the 3DS will probably have the children.  The PSP2 will have to have both but with Sony knowing that it is never going to dominate sales wise with their competitors.  They will have to carve out and settle for a profitable niche audience.  Given how they may need to sink hundreds of millions of dollars to develop the thing, I'm not sure how Sony can justify the costs, also given how deeply into the red the PS3 is.  I imagine Sony executives want a sure thing for video game hardware from now on.

Maybe the PSP2 can be some all in one media wonder but when most people think of "PlayStation", they think "video games" not iPad copycat.  I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like the PSP2 would do well by any metric, just hoping that it might have a decent dedicated fanbase in the face of more popular alternatives.

[TripleA]

almost all games released for the system are built as "console quality" experiences that nobody wants to play because they can play better "console quality" games on fucking consoles.

And this is exactly why I think Nintendo need to wake the fuck up with the 3DS.

Metal Gear Solid? Assassins Creed? Dead or Alive? Saints Row? Resident Evil? Ridge Racer? Splinter Cell? Super Street Fighter? DJ Hero?

Have they learned nothing from PSP?

Nintendo can get away with it as they will have a perfect balance of casual titles and hardcore titles.

You mean just like how Sony had the perfect balance of casual and hardcore titles going into the PSP and PS3?

And you're completely fooling yourself if you think Nintendo didn't approach the majority of 'confirmed' developers -specifically western developers- for 3DS content.

[TripleA]

Sony would be best carving a niche as the only person offering a premium gaming handheld as premium products are what they do best.

True. As much as I think they could make something I could be into, they're not going to be first to market, the PSP was outsold 2 fold by the DS and from what I can discern, has a lower tie ratio - something like 4.5 -> DS's 4.8 pretty similar but when you factor in DS sold twice as many and it's most recent iteration is unpopular and widely criticised. I can't imagine Nintendo not beating them into a pulp at market yet again, they'll be able to secure a niche though, and they'll probably do fairly well like with PSP. Whatever success they do have with PSP2 will no doubt be overshadowed by 3DS's success. Seems fairly well written in stone to me.

Now where have I heard that before...

[TripleA]

Maybe the PSP2 can be some all in one media wonder but when most people think of "PlayStation", they think "video games" not iPad copycat.  I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like the PSP2 would do well by any metric, just hoping that it might have a decent dedicated fanbase in the face of more popular alternatives.

The idea that the PSP2 cannot succeed at all is alarming and highly flawed.

People said Sony would never succeed going up against Nintendo and Sega. People said Microsoft would never succeed going up against Nintendo and Sony. People said Nintendo would never succeed going up against Ps3 and 360. If history has taught us one thing, it's that a ridiculous amount of motherfuckers are always proven wrong.

Don't get me wrong -I fully acknowledge that Sony still employ's clueless monkeys. But who knows -maybe they have actually learned from losing to Wii and DS.

If Sony have learned, then don't even expect the PSP2 to be called PSP2. Don't expect it to be directly affiliated with the PlayStation brand.

[Eel O'Brian]

see, i think the opposite

instead of focusing on minigames (although they should have those as well), they need to be making into even MORE of a console experience, so that when you are not playing it on the go you can jack it into your tv and use it like a portable ps2.5 (or so)

fully integrated bluetooth dualshock compatibility with support for four controllers

mini-hdmi port with adapter in the box

games which support split-screen/same-screen multiplayer when the unit is connected to a tv

wireless LAN play between two units connected to two tvs

iPhone/Touch has the casual minigame market pretty well wrapped, and nintendo's gonna eat up all the leftovers, so sony has nowhere to go with this other than selling it as a highly portable/powerful console

if i knew i could buy a psp2, throw it in a bag with a couple of ps3 controllers (which i already own), take it over to a friend's house and jack it into the tv, and play a split-screen racer or co-op shooter, i'd pre-order one tomorrow

but if it's just me on the couch playing the same psp games only a little bit prettier, they can keep it

This all sounds like what YOU want the psp2 to be, as opposed to what will make it successful.  The market for portable gaming are kids and their Nintendo franchises and adults on their phone who want a quick diversion when waiting in line. That's the practical reality of it.  Nothing you described above comes across as an advantage over a home console, other than that's a lighter load.

the practical reality of it is that apple and nintendo have that kids/casual adult market sewn tighter than a spinster's cunny,  and the graphic whore/nerdbag market is really the only niche left that they can fill

no one is going to buy a $6 psp2 mini when they can buy the same game on iphone/touch for $.99

no one said they can't have that stuff as well, but if that's what they're gonna focus on then i look forward to the forthcoming "why did psp2 fail so badly?" threads

[TripleA]

almost all games released for the system are built as "console quality" experiences that nobody wants to play because they can play better "console quality" games on fucking consoles.

And this is exactly why I think Nintendo need to wake the fuck up with the 3DS.

Metal Gear Solid? Assassins Creed? Dead or Alive? Saints Row? Resident Evil? Ridge Racer? Splinter Cell? Super Street Fighter? DJ Hero?

Have they learned nothing from PSP?

Nintendo can get away with it as they will have a perfect balance of casual titles and hardcore titles.

You mean just like how Sony had the perfect balance of casual and hardcore titles going into the PSP and PS3?

And you're completely fooling yourself if you think Nintendo didn't approach the majority of 'confirmed' developers -specifically western developers- for 3DS content.

Sony didn't have a balance of casual and core titles that would actually sell.

yeah, no. 

The platform with the most shovelware has always been the platform that sells the most. If Sony decides to fully embrace the 'app' philosophy, then Nintendo are in serious fucking trouble.

[EmCeeGrammar]

and the graphic whore/nerdbag market is really the only niche left that they can fill

What makes you think this is such a lucrative market? It works for software houses like Atlus, you can't really base an entire platform on this philosophy.

[Eel O'Brian]

from the rumors, it's already going to be powerful enough to support everything i listed previously, so i don't see where it would hurt them or add any real cost to add that functionality and make it part of the marketing

what's the point of developing hardware more powerful than last gen's consoles if you're not going to utilize it and cram a bunch of cartoon tower defense games on the marketplace?

you guys keep saying they should aim for the nintendo and apple markets, but you're forgetting that those markets are already filled by, well, nintendo and apple

a potential customer is going to see a psp2 marketed in that way and say to themselves "why do i need to spend $300 on this fucking thing when i can already play angry birds on my phone?"

but what other handheld out there could be used to play a game on the bus (or on your lunch break, etc), then be taken home, plugged into your tv/surround system, and wirelessly connected to a couple of controllers so that you could continue the same game on the big screen with a friend/family member?

not a one - and that's an interesting, salable feature