Game

[demi]

FF13

:sick FF8


white people

[Himu]

and the rinoa is ultimecia fanfic is just the cherry on top yeah?

I don't believe that.

Though if it were true, it'd be awesome. It's a nice theory and it's a shame Square didn't think of it.

[TakingBackSunday]

Fang - Vanille - Lightning trio

[magus]

borys there is some accessory that you can dissasemble for haste shoes (i think tetracrown?),after your whole members have auto-haste and auto-bravery/faith,you don't even need step 1 anymore,just destroy everything

[Himu]

I'm neutral on FF13. I like some parts and I find other parts boring. It's such a random mish mash of quality and pacing and the overall product is so average.

If I'm correct on FFXIII-2, it should kick 13's ass and be the game that 13 should have been.

The only reason I'm hard on FF13 is because it wasn't great or even awful. If it were awful, I'd just forget about it. But it wasn't. It was just mediocre, and a mediocre rpg is worse than an awful rpg, because mediocrity screams potential -- and in this case, wasted potential. I just couldn't believe that this game had been in the oven for what, 4-5 years? It is so devoid of everything I desire from rpgs (exploration, customization, dungeon design, getting absorbed in a fictional world, characters, battle systems, content, side quests, motivation, rewards) that I can't help but be hard on it.

I have never seen an rpg go so out of its way to rid itself of everything that makes the genre so fantastic. If you are capable of playing an rpg at its most barebones, which is only battling -- with zero cohesive dungeon design or anything like a real dungeon crawler -- and the "occasional" cutscene every 30 minutes, that's fine. But I just can't get into a game like that.

[Himu]

Sazh is widely considered the only good character in the game because he is the voice of reason and down to Earth, but even he turns into a laundry list of motivational speeches once you get to chapter 10/11.

[demi]

He is also presented as anti-Barrett. 0% racist bias and skew. Truly a normal character that just happens to be black. So very UNtypical for japanese devs...

[TakingBackSunday]

It actually doesn't take very long to get to this level, once you're in Pulse.

[magus]

one of the missions feature a veeeeeeeeery hard monster but killing it gives you an accessory that gives you double XP and you really want double XP as soon as you can especialy if you are aiming for the "maxed everybody" achievement/trophy

the trick to kill it is to

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use death with vanille and hope that it sticks... be carefull because while this will kill the boss,his minion will still be around and they can still kick your ass

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[Fortus]

Oh man, yesterday I wasted around one hour to beat one normal encounter.
I use Lighting, Fang and Hope as always. MED-SEN-MED when things are rough, RAV-COM-RAV to deal massive damage.

I simply could not win this fight.

Well there's your problem...
Seriously though you should have Vanille instead of Hope and she should be using an upgraded Belladonna Wand. Debuffs/Poisin make encounters much easier.

[naff]

I hoard the ingredients because I know for sure there must be some ULTIMATE WEAPONS for each character found at the end of the game and I want to upgrade them to the max.

LOOOOOLLLLLLLL  Read a guide on weapon upgrades bro, you're kinda right, but also completely not right as well. You should def be upgrading your weapons at least somewhat, and every weapon can be the ultimate weapon. You'll see what I mean once you understand the weapon upgrade process, some weapons ultimate weapons are better than others for sure, and some suit different playstyles, i.e. whether you play lightning as Rav mainly or Com

[Fortus]

Heh...wait 'til you find out that your "Ultimate" weapons are actually UPGRADED versions of what you're probably carrying at the moment. There's some 'hardcore' irony  

You're hobbling yourself if you don't upgrade your stuff. That includes both weapons and accessories

edit: beaten by quietID lol

[naff]

There are some key strategies for getting the most out of you upgrade materials too so your hoarding could still be a boon for you, it boils down to beast materials like horns and hides and stuff raise the upgrade multiplier, so you get that to 3x then you burn some mechanical materials to pump up your weapons exp. iirc Sturdy Bones are boss, sell your beast materials that aren't Sturdy Bones and buy more Sturdy Bones, same goes with mechanical components, but theres a few that are most efficient depending on the level and amount of experience you want to put into your weapons. There's even some web apps you can use to help you maximise your output!

[Himu]

Oh man, yesterday I wasted around one hour to beat one normal encounter.
I use Lighting, Fang and Hope as always. MED-SEN-MED when things are rough, RAV-COM-RAV to deal massive damage.

I simply could not win this fight.

Well there's your problem...
Seriously though you should have Vanille instead of Hope and she should be using an upgraded Belladonna Wand. Debuffs/Poisin make encounters much easier.

No.

Lightning, Fang, hope is the best team

[The Sceneman]

nvm

[Himu]

What? I gave an honest recommendation. Vanille's health is too fucking low and Hope is far better.

Plus, Vanille sounds like she's having an orgasm when she fights.

[Himu]

People suggest Vanille more? Lightning, Fang, Hope was pretty much considered the best team when it came out. What changed?

Hope has all the debuffs that are useful at that point.

FF13-2 is supposed to come out this year.

[naff]

Yeah, no, it's still Light, Fang, Hope afaik

[demi]

There is no date for FF13-2. Trust me, I am just as excited as you are...

[Fortus]

What? I gave an honest recommendation. Vanille's health is too fucking low and Hope is far better.

Plus, Vanille sounds like she's having an orgasm when she fights.

Hope has the worst HP total of any character. You complain about Vanille's health and ignore the fact that Hope's is lower? The reason Vanille>Hope is because she is head and shoulders above anyone else as SAB. Equip the Malboro Wand and be done with it. Her healing is as good as Hope's and her Strength is consistently higher which makes her a better damage dealer when your using her as RAV or COM. You can argue that Hope can "get the job done" as SAB but why would you drag out fights unnecessarily waiting for his stuff to stick (if it ever does, end game stuff can make even Vanille struggle a bit sometimes with debuffs)? Why not use Snow as MED since he can "get the job done" if you orchestrate paradigms to SEN/SEN/MED while he works HPs back up? There's zero reason to use Hope over Vanille from a technical standpoint. Zero. Ultimately the game isn't so challenging that there's no leeway about what party you use (I beat it on my first playthrough with Light/Sazh/Vanille almost exclusively excepting some of the Hunts) but if you're going to recommend "best" use then really Vanille is better than Hope

[Himu]

Oh right, Hope had lower health. Sorry it's been a while.

[magus]

before unlocking secondary roles (that's it when everybody can be everything) sticking with lightining-fang-vanille means having no synergist and you don't want a team without synergist

so yeah,lightining-hope-fang is the beast team for the biggest chunk of the game,it's just the only party that lets you do everything
 

[Fortus]

Sazh gets Haste well before anyone else. He is easily the best SYN early on

[magus]

yea but sazh sucks otherwise while hope is still a kickass wizard and a decent medic
as i said it's all about striking balance

[iconoclast]

He gets haste, but he's worthless in all of his other roles. Hope gets magic, healing, and the support class.

Lightning/fang/hope has the best synergy for 95% of the game. And then Fang/Lightning/Hope is best when everyone is maxed out.

But since I barely remember anything about the game, even after completing it 100%, I have nothing else to add.

[Fortus]

yea but sazh sucks otherwise while hope is still a kickass wizard and a decent medic
as i said it's all about striking balance

Sazh has good Chain abilities that make him a far better RAV than Hope. Recap: Sazh is a better SYN and better RAV. Hope is better MED than Sazh but Vanille can cover that role without breaking a sweat. Hope=superfluous

[Himu]

Sazh is only good for haste but not viable as a main party character especially when you have Hope's amazing range of abilities.

[Fortus]

Hope has the least HPs (by a wide margin), the least Strength, and isn't a clear winner in "best of Role" for anything. You can claim his "utility" trumps those weaknesses but well...that's all it is to me, a claim. Let's agree to disagree

[demi]

yea but sazh sucks otherwise while hope is still a kickass wizard and a decent medic
as i said it's all about striking balance

Sazh is actually beast. Go on YouTube yo ucan see people using Sazh to destroy Long Guis in like 10 seconds

[iconoclast]

Sazh is actually beast. Go on YouTube yo ucan see people using Sazh to destroy Long Guis in like 10 seconds

eh, seems to still take as much time to kill one as Fang/Lightning/Hope. But yes, Snow/Vanille/Sazh is the 'other' viable team.

The B-Team.

[demi]

He didnt write on FF13-2

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I'll violate you if you so much as touch your keyboard

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[Himu]

borys excited for 13-2, a sequel to a botched final fantasy, instead of the most refreshing looking final fantasy in years, type-0.

pretty telling.

[demi]

Refreshing? lol. More schoolmates saving the world. Ok... can't wait to do "social links" with them

[magus]

demi bringing the truth

tough FF13-2 is going to suck probably

betting all my money on versus especialy if they announce a 360 port this e3

[Himu]

I'm talking about world map, exploration, combat, the whole package.

[magus]

yes i can't wait to leave my psp on for 10 hours so i can get the "wandered around the world map like an idiot" achievement

[magus]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/psp/939394-dissidia-final-fantasy/faqs/57869

RIGHT IN YOUR FACE!

[demi]

god magus you're so fucking dumb

psps don't have cheevos

But they WILL

Take that

[naff]

borys excited for 13-2, a sequel to a botched final fantasy, instead of the most refreshing looking final fantasy in years, type-0.

I'm looking forward to Type-0 but not because it looks fresh, because it looks like something more traditional And it's on PSP FF13 was fresh, can't deny it.

edit: the combat of type-0 looks pretty cool though so yeah, they're all pretty interesting looking games. Definitely looking forward to type-0 over 13-2

[Shaka Khan]

If was reading all the previews right type-0 seems to be one of those games with an elaborate MP component trying to compete with Monster Hunter in a way, and if that's true then I'm somewhat disappoint.

[Damian79]

Count me in if in if it is a traditional FF game though, if not i will have ot wait and see.  Tere are nto many RPG games that i dotn give a shot, as long as there are decent characters i would give a game a try.   FF13 had shit character from their looks, lighting seems like some seems a lot like terra from FF6 i didnt like in terms of personality, hope is a ditz, other girl is also a bitch, that young boy seems like a pedo magnet, the motor bike dude seems like a pot head and i hate the black guy uses his hair as a birds nest.  Thats what i get from loooking at the vids.  And the FMVs look boring to me .

[Himu]

Hope owns. He tries to kill the worst character (that isn't Vanille), Snow.

[Positive Touch]

didnt know type 0 was agito til i looked it up just now.  jesus, that game's been in development for what, eight years now?

[Himu]

upgrading.

you are selling your chips, right?

[magus]

each crystal upgrades a different item,so some weapon/accessory require uranite,some weapon/accessory require scarletite,and some weapon/accessory require millerite

there is a handy guide on gamefaqs you can use to see what item needs what

[Himu]

worst upgrade system of all time.

[Himu]

When you beat the game you return to the plains anyways for post-game.

[demi]

I'm 500% sure the game explains upgrading. Look in the Handbook for tutorials, etc.

[Himu]

How are ff13's marks ff12 like?

[magus]

yea! none of them fully heals themself,cast every buff as possible,and then proceed to spam ultima after reaching 5% of their health

[Himu]

Also, none of them have build up. They are like,"kill this monster" whereas in FF12 it's usually revolved around a story or you have to complete specific tasks in order to fight it.

I don't see how what you described is even a bad thing if you remotely like rpgs. I'm starting to wonder what rpgs you even like and why you like them. Because you complain when games are "too easy" and "mindless" when you go out of your own way to grind and cheat (FF5 for instance) but also complain when the game expects you to use every resource available (FF12, SMT games).

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

[magus]

when that happens i don't see a hard game,the game just cheated me! it would be like playing chess and as soon as i declare check all of the CPU pawns turn into queen! why not have the boss start already powered up if that's how you want me to fight it? what happens instead is that the player try to cheat the cheat by finding way to kill the boss before he goes into super saiyan mode by using stuffs like quickening

and when did i ever say anything bad about SMT?

[Himu]

The game didn't cheat you, the game forces you to change strategies. Even FF13 requires you to do so in the later marks. Long guis have like protect, shell, all that shit already casted on them don't they? Both FF12 and FF13 are games of debuff and buffing. One of the best things about them.

[magus]

nuh-uh,that fight with yunalesca where she force zombie on everyone negating heals force me to change strategy

this is just asking me to find a cheap way to deal a huge amount of damage so i don't piss off the game or suffer the consequence and having to kill the same enemy twice with the second time being harder

[Himu]

Sounds pretty awesome to me. A battle towards who can outlast the other. A battle between real men (and women)!

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Upgrading is pretty easy in FFXIII.  Hell, everything is stupidly simple when it comes to Final Fantasy XIII.  The biggest challenge is determining what paradigm to use in which areas.  Even that is pretty easy.

[Himu]

Upgrading is easy? I found it pretty wtf, even after the explanation. It's just pointlessly obtuse.

[magus]

yea there are like a gazillions of item that give you experience but ultimately only 3 you want to use because they offer the better XP/GIL ratio,that's stupid

[demi]

yea there are like a gazillions of item that give you experience but ultimately only 3 you want to use because they offer the better XP/GIL ratio,that's stupid

Nobody's arguing that the game's economy is perfect...

[Himu]

yea there are like a gazillions of item that give you experience but ultimately only 3 you want to use because they offer the better XP/GIL ratio,that's stupid

Nobody's arguing that the game's economy is perfect...

True enough. Upgrade system is even pretty good, now that I understand it Just that you need the Prima guide to "get it".

The upgrade system requires the biggest amount of grinding imaginable for small parts. How the hell is it "pretty good"? Even people I know who like FF13 think the upgrade system is shit. This is the first time I've seen anyone reference the upgrade system as good.