3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)

[pilonv1]

I like that developers (not even limiting that Japanese developers) aren't even doing impressive or innovative things with current tech and we're expecting them to do something special with 3D.

WOW ITS ZELDA IN 3D ITS A WHOLE NEW BALL GAME

[tiesto]

iphone/ipad with 2$ games >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handhelds with 30$ titles

You get what you pay for.

[Damian79]

What you guys are not taking into account is that 3D, done right, is way more than a gimmick. Once you've seen a game running in 3D, you won't want to go back. It's not about crazy depth-of-field OMG FINGER IN MY EYE! type effects; it's about a richer, more convincing picture. Saying you would turn it off is like saying you would always choose the Dolby stereo track on a DVD even when you own a nice receiver and a 5.1 speaker system. Maybe once in a while, if the game in question is REALLY poorly optimized for 3D (and knowing Ninty's quality control over 3rd parties, there will be a few of those for sure).

I choose the 2D version of movies in the theatre as well.  I don't care for it.  It's fake as shit.  If they ever get to a point where the 3D is working properly, I might jump in, but right now it's a half-baked effect.  Especially if it messes up when the system moves.  I'm pretty sure I can't pwetty-pwease ask the train driver to drive more smoothly so I can see my Dragon Quest better.

From what i saw from the reviews of the 3ds on the show floor some time back, they say it is a much better 3d effect than what else is there.  Also i play my handheld games at home so i shouldnt have your problem.

[EmCeeGrammar]

i think the screen is too small for it to be anything more than a novelty in most games

"haha, the 1/2 inch man is coming out of the screen, look at that"

From what I understand, the 3ds doesn't pop out at you like convential cinema 3d portrayals.  It's more like you are looking into a window and can see 3d stuff in a room.   

[Eel O'Brian]

well, that type of 3D makes more sense for the size

i think 3D is pretty neat, but the "window box" effect is a little distracting even on my 20" PC monitor

like anything else on their systems, nintendo themselves will probably make the best use of the feature

[WrikaWrek]

I'm much more excited for the PSP2 

[EmCeeGrammar]

The initial reports make it sound like psp2 is going to be the new ps3 caliber flop.   Apparently amazing specs,  but overheated easily and guzzles battery life like a cum starved whore.  I don't see it succeeding going up against ios and the 3ds.  Arguably the only thing holding up the psp right now is Monster Hunter, one game in one territory.  If 3ds can poach that franchise they are pretty much finished bar some other phenomenal game being released.

I think the only threat to the 3ds is the shift in perceived value Apple has facilitated with the app store.  Nintendo better hope the 3d gimmick is a large enough factor to entice people into buying a dedicated game player.  It would also help if they wouldn't be so cheap and allowed for mp3 playback and whatnot.

[maxy]

I think that 3DS will be true jrpg weeaboo machine something like PS1+PS2.Machine seems to be fairly capable,decent storage medium.I wouldn't be surprised if FF15 turns to be 3DS game.
Of course nothing is set in stone(this gen proved that),Nintendo can still fuck things up

PSP2,not enough data,probably delayed now(failOverflow),price is also a big question
Starting position is not good,will have Marcus advertising campain

[SantaC]

I think that 3DS will be true jrpg weeaboo machine something like PS1+PS2.Machine seems to be fairly capable,decent storage medium.I wouldn't be surprised if FF15 turns to be 3DS game.
Of course nothing is set in stone(this gen proved that),Nintendo can still fuck things up

PSP2,not enough data,probably delayed now(failOverflow),price is also a big question
Starting position is not good,will have Marcus advertising campain

When was the last time a Nintendo console got a maingame FF? Yeah it was 18 years ago, probably not gonna happen until sony folds.

[maxy]

Things change,$$$ talks
I don't think that Sony can say anything about that(except kneel down and beg)

[cool breeze]

when was the last and only time microsoft got a main final fantasy game? wait, that was last year.  things change, hombre.

and the things emcee says about the why the psp2 will flop are why I don't want Sony to ever go away.  They're business is so impractical and baffling yet it appeals to me in a "PUMP THIS SMALL DEVICE WITH TECHNOLOGY" way.  They stay the course even though Kutaragi isn't crazying it up anymore, or maybe he spiked the water before he left.  I'm stoked to hear that it overheats and has battery problems.  Ideally it wouldn't, but it still makes me think the value POWER ARUGGGGHHHH over common sense.

[magus]

DQ9 hits the DS after the DS got a huge install base... the 3DS has nothing,why bringing a heavy hitter like final fantasy to the 3DS now would be logic? it seems to me that everybody wants everything on the 3DS and i'm not sure why....

capcom developer says they are thinking of moving monster hunter to another console?
OMG MONSTER HUNTER 3DS COMING IT WILL MAKE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY!!!1!

beside knowing square-enix at best they will just port that new final fantasy cellphone game and be done with it,wouldn't be out of reach of what everyone else is doing

[Sho Nuff]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

[magus]

so it's kinda like this gif?

http://blogs.sun.com/MartinHardee/resource/3D-cinnamon.gif

[Eel O'Brian]

have you guys seen what devs are doing with iphone/ipod/ipad to tv connections?  i guarantee you jobs has at the very least considered the idea of expanding on that with the next iterations of idevices.  a bump in specs, officially branded apple bluetooth game controllers, coupled with the vga/component out cables, and there's your apple home game console in 720p HD.

http://www.slidetoplay.com/story/dead-space-hands-on-preview

this game is likely going to be $9.99, same game on 3DS would run you anywhere between $30-40.  3DS and PSP are likely to be the last dedicated portable gaming systems, they just can't compete with the saturation of phones/tablets or the price of games on the app stores.

[pilonv1]

coupled with the vga/component out cables,

Some sort of HDMI adapter would make the most sense. I wonder though if they want to take the play functionality away from the device though, that seems very un-apple to me. I can using the phone/touch as the controller on large screen more than having branded controllers.

[Damian79]

have you guys seen what devs are doing with iphone/ipod/ipad to tv connections?  i guarantee you jobs has at the very least considered the idea of expanding on that with the next iterations of idevices.  a bump in specs, officially branded apple bluetooth game controllers, coupled with the vga/component out cables, and there's your apple home game console in 720p HD.

http://www.slidetoplay.com/story/dead-space-hands-on-preview

this game is likely going to be $9.99, same game on 3DS would run you anywhere between $30-40.  3DS and PSP are likely to be the last dedicated portable gaming systems, they just can't compete with the saturation of phones/tablets or the price of games on the app stores.

I had a look at the youtube vid of it:
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]


Nah i will sitck with teh 3ds for games, hate pure touch screen controls.

[magus]

well ps3 is going to get that final fantasy spinoff (fabula nova?) so there's that

on the other side there is kingdom hearts 3DS but all the screenshot released show old zone with old models used so yea......

[EmCeeGrammar]

Final Fantasy 15 on the 3ds is a very real possibility.  Especially after the success of dq9.  It'll probably depend on how well revelations performs compared to re5 as well, considering that is the next mainline resident evil game.

Of course, complete handheld dominance in japan will be to my disdain, as I tend to like japanese games more but have no use for handheld gaming.  My selfish desire is the Wii2 can rectify whatever mistakes killed the momentum Wii had in japan with more aggressive pursuit of third party support.

[Smooth Groove]

have you guys seen what devs are doing with iphone/ipod/ipad to tv connections?  i guarantee you jobs has at the very least considered the idea of expanding on that with the next iterations of idevices.  a bump in specs, officially branded apple bluetooth game controllers, coupled with the vga/component out cables, and there's your apple home game console in 720p HD.

http://www.slidetoplay.com/story/dead-space-hands-on-preview

this game is likely going to be $9.99, same game on 3DS would run you anywhere between $30-40.  3DS and PSP are likely to be the last dedicated portable gaming systems, they just can't compete with the saturation of phones/tablets or the price of games on the app stores.

What I don't get is why Nintendo and Sony won't follow this same model of selling cheaper games.  They don't have to sell them at 5 to 10 bucks like IOS games but the gap needs to be smaller for gaming handhelds to not become irrelevant.  Sony and Nintendo could probably continue to provide better looking & playing games but the amount of people who care about the quality differences is rapidly decreasing.  Most people just look at handheld gaming as casual gaming, or at least a lesser version of the experience on a console, which is why the PSP was such a huge failure.  Who wants to pay $30 to $40 for a lite edition of a major title when you can just get the console version for a little more?  

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think you guys are forgetting both sony and nintendo have download stores.  They just need to let the public at large know that too.  The apple model isn't particularly perfect, so there's room for the other to improve upon.   As a matter of fact during a recent presentation Iwata showed off the new shop interface, which is basically the Wii Shop Channel and the Nintendo Channel blended together.  This is a good thing, although I'm still curious as to whether they are going to push demos hard and how they are going to market this outside of a banner in the startup screen.

[Eel O'Brian]

sony and nintendo's download stores suck

even when psp gets an app store game portover they usually price it $2-3 more

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'll pay 2 to 3 dollars more for good controls
We've had this line of discussion before btw.   Nintendo is changing theirs for the better, dunno about pricing.

[Eel O'Brian]

Believe it when i see it!  I am foreseeing a lot of 3D clocks and calendars, myself.

[Sho Nuff]

Oh boy I hope they port the aquarium DSIware game

[pilonv1]

The Sony & Nintendo stores are like if someone started competition to steam and offered the same games at twice the price.

[magus]

you know there is a thing i don't understand.... how the heck do you make a 2D sprite 3D? would it look like a cardboard cutout or what?

[Sho Nuff]

I would draw a mask on top of each sprite assigning each pixel a relative Z value. That's the only way I can think of doing it. If you have a bunch of billboards floating in space at different depths it's going to look pretty goofy. Will be interested how people do the 3D treatment to totally 2D games.

[cool breeze]

since someone brought up iphone/pad controls, I saw this thing earlier:
http://toucharcade.com/2011/01/04/fling-game-controller-for-ipad/


It's an analog nub/slider that suctions onto your ipad.  It mostly just adds a border and some resistance, but it's pretty neat.

[Cormacaroni]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

yeah, good point. I'm extrapolating from my experience with a high-end PC rig, of course.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

yeah, good point. I'm extrapolating from my experience with a high-end PC rig, of course.

of course

[SantaC]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

isnt the 3DS screen bigger than the dslite?

[chronovore]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

yeah, good point. I'm extrapolating from my experience with a high-end PC rig, of course.

Yes, and it's a different technology. You're not running a lenticular monitor at home, you're using glasses, right?

[Sho Nuff]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

isnt the 3DS screen bigger than the dslite?

Nope. The resolution is slightly higher but it's not a giant monster like the DSi screen.

[SantaC]

I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

isnt the 3DS screen bigger than the dslite?

Nope. The resolution is slightly higher but it's not a giant monster like the DSi screen.

3DSi incoming

[cool breeze]

there is some japanese thing going on now

Blazbluz something something 2 is on it



and tales of abyss



AND GUNDAM (that looks like the PS1 Z Gundam and Char Counterattack games)





and people are saying the battery life is 3 to 5 hours on gaf but I don't know if it's real.

nvm, here: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/hardware/spec/index.html

5 to 8 for regular DS games, 3 to 5 for 3DS games.  3.5 hours to charge the thing up.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

"I wouldn't want to strain my eyes for that long anyway."

[pilonv1]

PSP wins again

[Sho Nuff]

Tsc tsc

[Himu]

Hmm.  $250-300 handheld with hot graphics, a single analog stick, and 3-5 hours of battery life.  This is all... very familiar, somehow.

Sounds like the sequel to the best system this gen.

[Himu]

lmao the gaf thread is fucking hilarious. what a bunch of pussies.

"I'm skipping my first nintendo handheld, how is that possible?" Really? Over battery?

5 hours is pretty damn long, assuming this is attributed to brightness.

And honestly, when I take my portable out I never play it for more than 4 hours. I rarely ever run out of batteries with my psp on a full charge and I run emulators.

3-5 sounds better than my ipod touch which seems to go out with merely two-three hours of game playing. What a bunch of dorks.

[Sho Nuff]

Yeah but can you swap out the battery? You can have some backup batteries for the PSP on your flight if need be. The DS battery is nonswappable and you're SOL if you want to charge it on the plane (unless you have a Powermonkey or something)

[Himu]

I've never been on a flight that lasts more than 3-4 hours, personally. In which case, if I did, I wouldn't spend the entire time playing games.

But you're right, that's a flaw. But I don't own back up batteries for my psp either.

I think the better question is HOW you can charge it. Can you charge it to any usb? That would be for the best. Can you even PLAY the thing when it's charging due to the cradle?

Both questions are far more relevant than the battery life, which just can't be stone because the thing's not out yet and no one knows what settings these numbers were retrieved from. Maybe it was with 3d on. Maybe it was with the highest brightness setting. People should chill the fuck out.

[cool breeze]

Probably not.  Even back with the GBA SP Nintendo never let you swap out batteries like that.

Don't expect the PSP2 to have a swappable battery either.  The PSP Go has an internal battery, whether it is part of the design or a reaction to the pandora battery thing, I dunno.

Hmm.  $250-300 handheld with hot graphics, a single analog stick, and 3-5 hours of battery life.  This is all... very familiar, somehow.

Sounds like the sequel to the best system this gen.

Sequels are supposed to be bigger and more bad ass.  The real PSP successor will have a 2 hour battery life and overheat

[Himu]

psp2 will melt your fingers AND your eyes.

[AdmiralViscen]

This whole thing screams 'wait for 3DS Lite' to me

[cool breeze]

haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind Link in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Yeah, 3ds is going against everything I ever liked about Nintendo, namely, practicality and a non emphasis on superficial factors.

[Himu]

haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind you in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

what? That's fucking stupid. Where is this?

[cool breeze]

haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind you in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

what? That's fucking stupid. Where is this?

http://www.andriasang.com/content/features/nintendo_world_2011/feed_e.xml

the event video thing is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nintendo-world-2011

nothing seems to be happening.  I checked it earlier and it's just japanese people going OOOO SUGOIII a lot


edit:  maybe people who buy DS games in Japan can explain it's relevance, but the game prices are 4,800 to 6,090 yen (highest seems to be Ridge Racer...namco lol)

[Eel O'Brian]

yeah, 5 hours if you turn off the 3D, turn the brightness on the top screen down to 10%, dim the bottom screen all the way, and only play sudoku

who didn't expect this thing to have shit battery life?  ipad had to have a battery that spans the entire size of the device to get 5 (games) to 10 (web browsing, reading) hours

[Eel O'Brian]

to be fair, though, i have never spent more than a couple of hours fucking around with any handheld in one sitting unless i was reading - and if you're sitting on the couch for longer than that just plug the fucking thing into an outlet already, you're obviously not on the move

[EmCeeGrammar]

Battery life to me is the peace of mind that I can forget to plug something in or whatnot and I'm not going to be too harshly penalised for it.  Up until my ipod died I was getting rather annoyed finding it lost its charge even during periods of inactivity, and trying to play games on the thing decimated the battery every time.  Just an annoyance having to manage such a thing in any handheld device.  Thats why the rinky dink geriatric gameboys still have my respect.  Spinach green screens are fine when I can play pokemon for 30 hours with 4 AAs.

[Eel O'Brian]

to get the battery life people want out of these devices while still achieving the performance people also want, they would have to have batteries the size and weight of a paving block

it's always going to be one or the other, you're never gonna get both

[Purple Filth]

3-5 hours battery life?  Ouch

PSP2 should be a 5 minute flat then 


Seriously i don't mind it really since i game on a PSP which is said to have shit battery life but thats a downgrade from what you expect from Nintendo.

The Nfans on GAF going crazy is great 

And honestly, when I take my portable out I never play it for more than 4 hours. I rarely ever run out of batteries with my psp on a full charge and I run emulators.

Emulators wont really kill your PSP battery though since the biggest culprit is normally the UMD drive.

That's why a lot of people treat PSP CFW as the holy grail.

[pilonv1]

haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind Link in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

I thought you had to keep it still?

[EmCeeGrammar]

to get the battery life people want out of these devices while still achieving the performance people also want, they would have to have batteries the size and weight of a paving block

it's always going to be one or the other, you're never gonna get both

I would've been fine with much more modest graphics to be honest.  Hell, the demographics that made Nintendo such a success don't either.  I have a feeling that Nintendo went with all these design decisions to appease third party concerns, which concerns me because the vast majority of them have made it clear they don't know how to run a business anymore.

[Eel O'Brian]

you just have to keep it level with your eyeline, you can still do that with gyroscopic controls

[TakingBackSunday]

Battery life is the most overrated aspect of a handheld ever.  Nfags who care are:

a) asspies who have the fucking nerditude to pull something that dumb out in public to experience 3D gaming around other people

b) Friendless mouthbreathers who sit upside down stylusin' pikachu's fupa.  All fucking day long.

Plug it in, for god sakes.  And if you play it in public, dear lord, turn the 3D off.  And the brightness down, so at the very least people around you can't tell you're playing some loli touching game

[EmCeeGrammar]

haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind Link in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

I thought you had to keep it still?

? 
Were you under the impression that moving the system somehow miscalibrates the 3d effect?  Its simply a matter or maintaining an optimal viewing angle.