3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)

[Damian79]

Nice seeing this hilarious role reversal on battery life between Ntards and Stards

No, the batterly life is fine unless you like playing iwth a flast light in your eye.

[Damian79]

I see.

[cool breeze]

Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

[pilonv1]

Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

Not surprising after seeing some of the cuts to PS3 3D titles.

[Sho Nuff]

Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

This makes zero sense. It's rendering the same number of pixels. Team Ninja am fail

[EmCeeGrammar]

Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

This makes zero sense. It's rendering the same number of pixels. Team Ninja am fail

What are you talking about. PS3 titles suffer similar frame rate drops when 3d is enabled.  Its been known for awhile that the 3ds has options for developers to make thier games perform better in 2d mode.


ANYWAY

Kid Icarus looks like total uninspired third person shooter crap. Talk about missing the point of the character.

The more I hear about this thing the more I'm getting apathetic about it.  The only two good looking games are Resident Evil Mercenaries and Pilotwings Resort, and I'd rather play those with a wiimote.  Its a pricey batteryhog that seems to trend towards more tired trite gaming fare, which is kind of a bummer coming off the unique ds catalogue.  Touch games that benefit from having the touch input on top of the game are going to go by the wayside since the focus of the system and its software will be its 3d capability.  You can see what I mean by the way they had to make you interact with a silhouette in the new Nintendo Dogs.

People say limits are bad, but I think the exclusion of analog control and the mediocre processing abilities of the og DS forced a lot of developers to make unique experiences that would work well with the system that couldn't be achieved anywhere else.  I don't see a canvas curse type experience emerging on this system.  Watch them announce Wii 2 with paid online and a standard game pad just to fuck with my selfish wants further.

[Damian79]

Did you even see the presentation, sakurai even played the original game.

[iconoclast]

Touch games that benefit from having the touch input on top of the game are going to go by the wayside since the focus of the system and its software will be its 3d capability. 

There's a good chance of this happening actually.

And that sucks, since the touchscreen games are what made the DS a great system.

[cool breeze]

Touch games that benefit from having the touch input on top of the game are going to go by the wayside since the focus of the system and its software will be its 3d capability. 

There's a good chance of this happening actually.

And that sucks, since the touchscreen games are what made the DS a great system.

The solution in games like Nintendo Dogs is relative pointing.  Basically, if you point to the bottom right corner of the touch screen, a cursor appears in the bottom right corner of the top screen (ignoring the additional screen space allowed by the wide screen; so, 80/160 pixels)

Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

This makes zero sense. It's rendering the same number of pixels. Team Ninja am fail

What are you talking about. PS3 titles suffer similar frame rate drops when 3d is enabled.  Its been known for awhile that the 3ds has options for developers to make thier games perform better in 2d mode.

People were under the impression that if the switch was on or off, the game would be 800x240.  Where it is 400 pixels for each eye in 3D mode, turning it off would have all 800 for both eyes.  It wouldn't have an impact on performance if that was the case.

It is a different method than the PS3 which uses shutter glasses and requires a 120hz monitor (so 60/60 with shutters separating them)

[iconoclast]

Yeah, but what about games like Ouendan and Trauma Center? Games that used the touch screen extensively were the best on the DS because they offered something you couldn't get on other platforms. The last thing I want is another PSP where we have nothing but dumbed-down console games.

[Sho Nuff]

You gotta explain this to me. 3DS is throwing out 800x240 pixels. In 3D mode it's drawing two 400x240 viewports that are offset by the lenticular display. In 2D mode it's drawing one 800x240 viewport. It's not like the PS3 where they are drawing frames at 1/60 for each eye to sustain 3D at 30fps.

[cool breeze]

Yeah, but what about games like Ouendan and Trauma Center? Games that used the touch screen extensively were the best on the DS because they offered something you couldn't get on other platforms. The last thing I want is another PSP where we have nothing but dumbed-down console games.

then they just have the game play on the bottom screen lol

It's not that big of a deal unless they force all games to be played on the top screen and they won't.  That SMT game (Devil Survivors?) has the action on the bottom screen while the menus are on the top screen in 3D.

Ignoring the top screen completely, touch only games still benefit from better hardware and a whopping resolution increase of 256x192 to 320x240.

You gotta explain this to me. 3DS is throwing out 800x240 pixels. In 3D mode it's drawing two 400x240 viewports that are offset by the lenticular display. In 2D mode it's drawing one 800x240 viewport. It's not like the PS3 where they are drawing frames at 1/60 for each eye to sustain 3D at 30fps.

this is going to sound stupid because I'm not exactly read up on this stuff, but:  maybe the switch is linked to the game software and when it's off, it runs at 400x240 combined.  Since it is two parts, they have it 200x240 + 200x240 blended together

[iconoclast]

Devil Survivor is just a quick cash in though. I dunno, I think with 3D being the main gimmick of the system developers are going to want the player to focus on the top screen most of the time while the touchscreen would mainly be used as a mousepad or something.

And even with Devil Survivor, people are already laughing at the fact that the gameplay won't even be in 3D.

[cool breeze]

you could say the same about all the ways they forced touch screen use on the DS initially (remember the ice picking crap from Dawn of Sorrow?) and eventually the need to have a gimmick went away.

Sorry if I seem like I'm defending the 3ds because I really don't meant to be.  I still think this could end up like the PS3 if they're not careful; all these 'exclusives' we see now go over the superior PSP2 (xbox360) and so on.  anyway...

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[iconoclast]

Oh shit, is that a new dinosaur fighting game? About time we got a successor to Primal Rage

[maxy]

You gotta explain this to me. 3DS is throwing out 800x240 pixels. In 3D mode it's drawing two 400x240 viewports that are offset by the lenticular display. In 2D mode it's drawing one 800x240 viewport. It's not like the PS3 where they are drawing frames at 1/60 for each eye to sustain 3D at 30fps.

It could be that 2D mode internal rendering res is 400x240.I remember Capcom saying that 2D mode frees a lot of resources,more effects in 2D mode.

[Sho Nuff]

It is possible that they're just doing pixel doubling in 2D mode to save GPU clocks/battery. Also, native 800x240 might look weird -- non-square pixels!

[pilonv1]

Oh shit, is that a new dinosaur fighting game? About time we got a successor to Primal Rage

Combat of Giants range on DS has a Dinosaur version.

[maxy]

about battery
Kotaku posted this

As part of its big Nintendo World event being held in Tokyo at the moment, Nintendo has released a chart outlining the final hardware specifications for the 3DS. Most importantly, that includes details on the handheld's battery life.

It takes 3.5 hours for a 3DS battery to fully charge, which is pretty good. As for how fast that battery drains, Nintendo has only provided a select number of figures, all based on the presumption you're using the handheld on a lower screen brightness level.

With the screen's backlighting turned down (but not off), you'll get 3-5 hours of battery life while playing a 3DS game. That number extends to 5-8 hours if you're playing an older DS game on the handheld.

If true then really lolz



I like how rabid Nintendo fans are up in arms about battery,bu bu bu PSP,iphone,etc...what an irony,for years they ridiculed PSP battery life-time and now
What goes around,it comes around

This is like discovering that 3DS has about the same failure rate as 360...bu bu bu 360 had that,no big deal
Now where is that famous Gahdiggy or whatever basement Nintendo shrine picture when you need it

[pilonv1]

I thought 3.5 was the max on full brightness. If it's on low brightness that's another story.

[maxy]

No biggie,just play in the dark.

[pilonv1]

It is Kotaku so who knows

[The Sceneman]

Kotaku will post random forum conjecture as news, so we'll see about the battery when the thing comes out

[maxy]

I agree,it's not like there is a shortage of guinea pigs.

I'm skeptical because battery is only 1300mAh,PSP 3000 has 1200mAh stock battery,i bet that 3DS needs much more power than PSP(two screens,3D,lots of hungry transistors)

[magus]

i still think it's a pretty lame lineup

[maxy]

Kotaku's making shit up.  There is literally no way they are the only media source on the planet that Nintendo has made privy to further details on the battery.  Pretty embarrassing that you'd give their word any credit at all, to be honest, maxy.

I'm skeptical because battery is only 1300mAh,PSP 3000 has 1200mAh stock battery,i bet that 3DS needs much more power than PSP(two screens,3D,lots of hungry transistors)

As soon as i saw that number...uhh
This is my standing point,not Kotaku or anyone else.
It makes sense for PR to boost numbers,but we shall see

In short history will judge me,if i'm wrong I will gladly admit it

[maxy]

20 minutes would be too radical,more like 2-3 hours...it smells to me that it will have worse battery life than PSP(or same at best),in general.How much worse,we shall see.

Max brightness+hardware intensive game+3D will show that easily. 

[maxy]

Screens are not the same,(3DS and DS),so it is kinda hard to compare.Personally i think that is the biggest area to reduce power consumption.
Not every transistor is always at use,but screen is always 100% in use(while playing).

Have to add this

As for 20min,think of it like this
Device A
max,min brightness 10,15 hours...50% gain
Device B(same as A but smaller battery)
max,min 3,4.5 hours...50% gain
To go to from 20 min to 3 hours is like 900% gain

The point is that max brightness won't have huge impact(measured by time) if min brightness time is low,because device will need the same amount of energy regardless of battery capacity.

/damn batteries

[originalz]

edit:  maybe people who buy DS games in Japan can explain it's relevance, but the game prices are 4,800 to 6,090 yen (highest seems to be Ridge Racer...namco lol)

Seems to be about the same as current DS/PSP software prices.

[maxy]

Resident Evil presentation, The Mercenaries 3D trailer

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/58597/

[Eel O'Brian]

looks like they've retained their excellent reputation for aiming controls

[maxy]

Mercenaries presentation is better, i don't like this 3rd to 1st person switch though.

And they seem to target legs mostly,too much violence for public or what?
I've watched Kid Icarus demo yesterday,on foot third person controls seem fine(with little auto aim).Could make a decent first,third person shooter.
Only one thing could be problematic...shooting,throwing grenades and moving at the same time

[demi]

I didnt see that video, but RE Dead Aim on PS2 had third person->first person aiming

[cool breeze]

Mercenaries 3DS seems to have the option to change between third and first person.  Krauser is using his bow third person in the second video and the trailers show Hunk doing the same.  The videos still seem a bit weird coming off of RE4/RE5 mercenaries, but it's early so it could be fixed.

and first person aiming isn't the only thing Revelations has in common with Dead Aim.  Both games are set on a boat.

looks like they've retained their excellent reputation for aiming controls

Well now you can move and shoot, just not move and aim.  Hold R and use analog slider to aim; Hold R+L and use slider to move and strafe.  But you lose the ability to strafe and turn when walking around from RE5.  It's a 'one step forward, stumbling to the side' approach.

Kotaku's making shit up.  There is literally no way they are the only media source on the planet that Nintendo has made privy to further details on the battery.  Pretty embarrassing that you'd give their word any credit at all, to be honest, maxy.

yeah, the only numbers available are:

3 to 5 hours for battery life
3.5 hours to full charge

anything that mentions brightness setting, wifi, 3d slider, volume, or whatever (either saying it's better or worse) is speculation.

[Himu]

Oh my GOD that RE demo

[Himu]

[archie4208]

Does OOT 3DS have any new content, or is it another Nintendo rehash but in THREE DEE? 

[Himu]

Apparently it does, but we don't know what yet. There will be changes to dungeons too.

It also apparently has a 60 fps frame rate and added animations.

Looks boss.

[maxy]

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[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I admit that I'm getting kind of pumped for the 3DS.

Too bad I know Nintendo will just drop it like a hot potato, software wise, once they release the Wiii, as per the usual.

[Smooth Groove]

The N64 ports look like garbage.  Aside from the 3D and analog control, even the DS could offer that kinda experience.  Only way I'm buying them is if they're $10 each. 

[Himu]

Those graphics are hardly the same.

[Himu]

I bet if they upgraded the graphics in Deus Ex a bit, so it doesn't look like fecal matter thrown on a computer monitor, you'd lose your shit, Borys.

[Himu]

And those tweaks make a world of difference!



Now all they have to do is fix the water.

[Himu]

I think handhelds have are done if youre over 18 mostly, and I dont see either the 3DS or the PSP2 make a huge dent in the the 18+ demographic.

Sure they will sell millions to little kids etc... but rest of the world?

hahaha

[Himu]

Not really those left n64 shots must have been taken at night or something, because when you start off its definately hazy too.

Also water on the 3DS isnt even tranparent :/

Kokiri Forest never turns to night.

[Himu]

I think handhelds have are done if youre over 18 mostly, and I dont see either the 3DS or the PSP2 make a huge dent in the the 18+ demographic.

Sure they will sell millions to little kids etc... but rest of the world?

hahaha

Why would most adults need a handheld next to their smartphone?

I mean, most adults still like handhelds period. How do you explain the popularity of ipod/ipad/iphone gaming? I see people playing games on the iphones all the fucking time.

To say people over 18 wouldn't have interest is crazy to me, considering that handhelds are getting more and more popular, especially with adults.

[maxy]

How do you explain the popularity of ipod/ipad/iphone gaming?

Like this
Lots of my friends that have never ever played games(PC,consoles) are playing games on their phones,purely anecdotal of course.

I like handhelds but i agree with him in numbers,little babies have pushed DS to PS2+ sales.

[Diunx]

Nice to see more people sharing my feelings towars the oot port too bad ntards are gonna eat that shit up and ask for more of course it shouldn't surprise me since paying nintendo to rape you in the ass is like a hobby for their fans.

[magus]

at least an earthbound port will never happen

[SantaC]

Nice to see more people sharing my feelings towars the oot port too bad ntards are gonna eat that shit up and ask for more of course it shouldn't surprise me since paying nintendo to rape you in the ass is like a hobby for their fans.

unless OoT has extra areas /dungeons I dont see any point buying it. There are only so many times I can play the same game over and over again.

[Mr. Gundam]

Handhelds are popular with adults in countries/regions where mass transit is widely used.

[SantaC]

btw they should had ported Zelda WW and include those extra dungeons that were cut from the GC game.

[Sho Nuff]

Wow N64 games with N64 level geometry but now with no troublesome 4 kilobyte texture cache limit

Only $300? Sign me up

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[The Sceneman]

I have to hand it to Nintendo though, they know how to milk their cash cows. Why make new games when they know their fanbase is 100% man breasted manchildren who live on nothing but nostalgia and Burger King.

Seriously the amount of Zeruda fans who will suck that shit up their butt, it sickens me

[SantaC]

I have to hand it to Nintendo though, they know how to milk their cash cows.

Seriously the amount of Zeruda fans who will suck that shit up their butt, it sickens me

are no extra content confirmed?

[The Sceneman]

I doubt it? There will be some half assed touch screen shit.

All the "New Play" (or whatever that range was called) games for Wii (Pikmin, DK Jungle Beat et al) were just ports with waggle tacked on.

I cant see how this will be any different. If morans want to blow their cash on this stuff thats their problem. I'll stick to new games thanks

[SantaC]

I doubt it? There will be some half assed touch screen shit.

All the "New Play" (or whatever that range was called) games for Wii (Pikmin, DK Jungle Beat et al) were just ports with waggle tacked on.

I cant see how this will be any different. If morans want to blow their cash on this stuff thats their problem. I'll stick to new games thanks

it is really sad how handheld zelda has gone down the drain. Either we get ports or just a bunch of crap.

[The Sceneman]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years. They can make great games (SMG2 is amazing), but their business model revolves around rehashing old crap, because its more profitable.

We all know that cash is king, I guess. As I said before, Nintendo fantards are the problem, becuase they keep gobbling this shit up. If people stopped buying this crap, Nintendo might have to consider stepping their game up, which would be great for them. They are a stagnant dinosaur company currently

[SantaC]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years. They can make great games (SMG2 is amazing), but their business model revolves around rehashing old crap, because its more profitable.

We all know that cash is king, I guess. As I said before, Nintendo fantards are the problem, becuase they keep gobbling this shit up. If people stopped buying this crap, Nintendo might have to consider stepping their game up, which would be great for them. They are a stagnant dinosaur company currently

Agreed, however SquareEnix is the same or even worse with their milking.

edit: and kid icarus 3ds looks like utter crap.