3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)

[The Sceneman]

perhaps, but what does that have to do with this discussion? Square are a whole different kettle of fish

edit: Kid Icarus is such an enigmatic IP. There has been ONE SHIT GAME TWENTY YEARS AGO, yet Ninfans have been clamouring for a sequel on the internet for years. I guess it's that whole hivemind thing

[iconoclast]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby Mario + 30 Pokemon games zzzzzzzzzzzz

[SantaC]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby zzzzzzzzzzzz

at this point i would trade a new mario and zelda for a fucking localization of Xenoblade and Last Story. I cant believe that Wii has a FF12-like epic rpg that we might never be able to play.

[The Sceneman]

  good call.

When was the last time they actually created a new IP? (Wii Sports/Fit etc. dont count)

Pikmin? Pikmin was awesome. But it came out in 2001. It's not that hard to come up with a new character/world. Everyone else is fucking doing it

[The Sceneman]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby zzzzzzzzzzzz

at this point i would trade a new mario and zelda for a fucking localization of Xenoblade and Last Story. I cant believe that Wii has a FF12-like epic rpg that we might never be able to play.

localised Xenoblade is coming out this year no?

[SantaC]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby zzzzzzzzzzzz

at this point i would trade a new mario and zelda for a fucking localization of Xenoblade and Last Story. I cant believe that Wii has a FF12-like epic rpg that we might never be able to play.

localised Xenoblade is coming out this year no?

no it is just TBA which means squat. There is a good chance we wont see it I guess...

[iconoclast]

To be fair, Monolith did Soma Bringer, Disaster, and Xenoblade, so Nintendo does own a developer who likes to make new games. NoA/E just can't be bothered to throw us a bone once in a while.

[Sho Nuff]

It kind of shocks me how my portable gaming has shifted to 95% iDevices

There are just so many more weird quirky pick-up-and-play games that are doing interesting things on them. Maybe it's the same on DS but I'm not seeing 'em and the market doesn't seem to care if they do exist

[magus]

It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby Mario + 30 Pokemon games zzzzzzzzzzzz

you know the thing that makes me mad is when the developer goes like "we were making a new game but then nintendo gave us one of their brand and we used that instead lol! "

see,kirby or kid icarus

[Himu]

I have to hand it to Nintendo though, they know how to milk their cash cows. Why make new games when they know their fanbase is 100% man breasted manchildren who live on nothing but nostalgia and Burger King.

Seriously the amount of Zeruda fans who will suck that shit up their butt, it sickens me

I bet people who talk like this are the first people who flip out when a new edition of Blade Runner or Apocalypse Now is released on dvd/blu ray/et al.

In which case, they should shut the fuck up.

[The Sceneman]

thats comparing apples and oranges bro

[demi]

Jesus christ, you guys are worse than GAF.   

i blame himuro... giving us this diarrhea now that hes shut off.

btw. will ban him for $25. i want to order some pizza tonite.

[Himu]

No. It really isn't.

Like books, music or films, games being re-released is a good thing. Why? I'll tell you. Unlike a book, which can be read anywhere, or a film, which can be watched on any player that supports the format -- ditto to music -- the only way for gaming history to retained, modified, updated, refreshed, and kept relevant is to keep releasing the content. There's a whole slew of games lost in time because they haven't been re-released and the only way to play them again is splurging on ebay or pirating. In fact, piracy has kept gaming afloat more so than the companies. Who cares if a company releases an old game? It's only ever offensive if it's like the recent lazy Super Mario Bros. All Stars wii port, and Zelda: OoT 3d is hardly on par with that abomination.

This is the first stand alone release of Ocarina of Time since the original release in 1998.

In which case, shut the fuck up.

[magus]

personaly i agree with sceneman,chance are that if you cared about playing ocarina of time you already have done so,this isn't some obscure limited release JRPG a-la persona 2
and if you haven't it cost 10 bucks on virtual console on the nintendo wii you probably own... and that's without counting that it came as a freebie with wind waker,why would you be excited to pay 50 bucks to play it on an handheld that will be 250 dollars when you can play the game right now for 10 bucks?

and this is without considering that a blu-ray release of blade runner doesn't force ridley scott and harrison ford to retake all the scene's but redoing zelda does take resource from nintendo,they could use those resource to make a new game but it's nintendo,the word "new" makes their head implodes,that's why they slapped it to a poor tought poutpourri of mario games

[Himu]

We were just discussing how popular ds is with kiddies, yet I bet most of those kiddies haven't played Ocarina. Ocarina is a true gamnig classic, and those kids deserve to play it in the best form possible. Re-releasing games isn't just for fans of the games, it's also for new audiences.

Plus, this will also lead to Nintendo releasing a Majora's Mask or Wind Waker for 3ds, which would make me cum.

I still bet the people who -- and annoyingly so -- complain about game re-releases don't complain about a new Blade Runner release or something. It's the same idea.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I doubt it? There will be some half assed touch screen shit.

All the "New Play" (or whatever that range was called) games for Wii (Pikmin, DK Jungle Beat et al) were just ports with waggle tacked on.

I cant see how this will be any different. If morans want to blow their cash on this stuff thats their problem. I'll stick to new games thanks

This shows that you never played any of the new play control games.  Many games had added wide screen.  Donkey Kong Jungle Beat had brand new levels in addition to altered level layouts and some adjustments of the base mechanics.  The pikmin port had a save log that allowed you to scroll back to any previous day and start your game from there, which was a boon for perfectionists. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

Jesus christ I just read everything below that post.  Oscar is right, you guys are fucking terrible.  And the revisionist history on display is appalling.  I could go ahead and post all the new IP that nintendo has gone through the trouble of publishing, but no oh no it won't count because its not a real gamers game, or some third party made it in collaboration, or its not a console game, or [insert bullshit modifier here]

BUY RHYTHM HEAVEN

[Himu]

Rhythm Tengoku

[magus]

mario 64 DS was the same game with a few new stars put in it randomly,the possibility to switch character (mostly to justify some of the new stars) and a few added touch screen minigame,that was all there was to it

Jesus christ I just read everything below that post.  Oscar is right, you guys are fucking terrible.  And the revisionist history on display is appalling.  I could go ahead and post all the new IP that nintendo has gone through the trouble of publishing, but no oh no it won't count because its not a real gamers game, or some third party made it in collaboration, or its not a console game, or [insert bullshit modifier here]

BUY RHYTHM HEAVEN

[Eel O'Brian]

PEOPLE ARE WRITING THINGS I DON'T LIKE READING

[Himu]

It was also a game going on 7 years old when it was released, with only one release prior to that -- Mario 64.

[pilonv1]

Nintendo brings out the worst in everyone.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'm less interested in 3DS than I was a few months ago.

And those Zelda shots do not qualify as a remake. They touched up some models and some textures here and there. They coulda done that on N64 with the expansion pack. In fact they did, it was called Majora's Mask.

[magus]

It was also a game going on 7 years old when it was released, with only one release prior to that -- Mario 64.

i was just replying to "but it's bound to have new stuff in it? right? right?" but really if they just want to re-release the thing for younger audience then why they don't just put it as a downloadable game for cheap like with the VC? the 3DS can do that (and they are going to do it with gameboy title) so what reason is there to try to barely sprice it up and sell it as a full game other than "money grab from rabid zelda fan that will happily buy the game they already own"

?

[EmCeeGrammar]

PEOPLE ARE WRITING THINGS I DON'T LIKE READING

But its factually untrue!  Its like listening to republicans talk about ... anything!  Its not based in reality but rather an accumulation of ignorance!

[cool breeze]

I think Zelda looks fine for what it is.  I wasn't expecting a full remake based on how these things are usually handled.

Someone already mentioned Mario 64DS.  Another example is Ape Escape On The Loose for the PSP; it's a remake of Ape Escape 1 with improved graphics but not exactly a benchmark of what to expect from the system.

All I've really been expecting from it is smooth performance and better animations.  If you compare pictures, it doesn't look that different, but you have to consider that OoT on the N64 was a choppy game that ran at like 15 to 20-some fps.  The only thing that disappoints me about it is how much better of a port StarFox 64 seems to be getting.  But I guess it's a balance of how much work you'd really need to do.

[iconoclast]

Wii music
Wii fit
Wii play
Wii sports
Brain age
Nintendogs

Nintendo

[EmCeeGrammar]

Wii music
Wii fit
Wii play
Wii sports
Brain age
Nintendogs

Nintendo

Holy shit thanks for the code to get past the nintendogs word filter. 

edit: In all seriousness, Nintendo does a lot more publishing of new IP through collaborations with outside parties then they do developing.  I'm thinking of
battalion Wars
geist
flingsmash
reginlev,
tact of magic,
ouendan series,
project hacker,
another code, 
hotel dusk. 
endless ocean
 Skip does the art style games,
chibi robo,
and Captain rainbow.

Internally developed stuff is mostly restricted to ds and gba and Wii noun games. That would be
fossil fighters,
card hero,
drill dozer,
rhythm tengoku,
tomadachi connection,
and to a certain extent warioware, which I believe was different enough from anything else out there to qualify.
Monolith software has been mentioned. 

I don't think internal software a super important distinction to make considering the other publishers are just as guilty of this.  A legitimate concern would be how many of these games don't make it to the states, but its understandable after games like sin and punishment 2 tank worldwide.

edit 2: I would also argue they had no real incentive to bring Picross back. But they did so and removed the mascot attached to it too, kind of like how they divorced Wii Party from mario.

[pilonv1]

Nintendo Dogs has a word filter?

edit:

[Smooth Groove]

To be clear, I don't have a problem with Nintendo re-releasing old games, even if they're just lazy ports.  I agree with Himu that there's still an audience for those games.  

I just have an issue with their pricing.  I think that is the concern of most people here as well although that somehow got lost in the argument over whether Nintendo ever does anything new.  Although we don't know for certain what those N64 games would cost, Nintendo's previous history gives us little reason to be optimistic.  

[EmCeeGrammar]

Wait cosmic walker got cancelled, and so did whatever Wii Crush was.  Why am I just reading about this.

[Eel O'Brian]

ONLY I AM SMART ON THIS BOARD THE REST OF YOU ARE SO FAR BENEATH ME YOU APPEAR AS ANTS CRAWLING ON A LEAF

[The Sceneman]

PEOPLE ARE WRITING THINGS I DON'T LIKE READING

No, it's more like people are writing things so fucking stupid and poorly thought out that it hurts my head to read.

With all the legitimate criticisms a person could make of Nintendo, I don't see why people need to create a fantasy version of them and/or reality to hatesturbate to. 

Feel free to call me ignorant, I know I am. What exactly did I say that was so factually incorrect?

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think my asperger privileges are re-upped at the beginning of the year, I'm just cashing in.  I'll probably be out of credit sometime this spring.

[Eel O'Brian]

CONDESCENDING REMARK

SNEER

[Eel O'Brian]

maybe there'll be some 3D porn so Ruzbeh can duct tape his 3DS to his $140 pocket pussy

[iconoclast]

list

A lot of those games are just published by Nintendo. Nintendo is a good publisher (in Japan at least), I'm not disputing that. But this is like giving Sega credit for the trio of Platinum games, Alpha Protocol, and whatever. They might be good, original games, but the credit goes to Platinum and Obisidian, not the guys who gave them the money to make the game.

My point is, for every Drill Dozer, Daigasso, and Rhythm Tengoku that Nintendo develops there are 15 Pokemon games, 10 Mario games, and 5 Zelda games. And of course Daigasso, DD, and RT are thrown aside to handhelds while the big budget console releases are ALWAYS the same old safe bet franchises. Xenoblade and Excite Truck/Bots being the lone exceptions (and even then, Xeno and Excite are hardly new).

[EmCeeGrammar]

And this wasn't you, but Kosma looks like a right distinguished mentally-challenged fellow for assuming there's no adult audience for handheld gaming systems because of iOS's success.  If that were the case, you'd assume the existing handheld systems wouldn't still be selling to adults, but they are.  I don't see why new systems are going to have any trouble hitting the same audience.

I know in Japan mass transit allows for the adult handheld gamer to easily exist, but here in the states there's no such practicality.  In addition there's a heavy stigma attached to it.  So what has taken hold is people having no qualms using their phones to play 99 cent apps during they few times they have downtime outside of their home, i.e. waiting for a movie to start, waiting in line, etc.  There's almost no stigma attached to this because what a person is doing on their phone is ambiguous. I know anectdotal evidence doesn't mean much, but I just don't see adults playing ds or psp.  I would argue that the ds sales trends and the failure of the psp both indicate that dedicated game players schew towards young demographics. I know the situation is much different in japan.

[EmCeeGrammar]

list

A lot of those games are just published by Nintendo. Nintendo is a good publisher (in Japan at least), I'm not disputing that. But this is like giving Sega credit for the trio of Platinum games, Alpha Protocol, and whatever. They might be good, original games, but the credit goes to Platinum and Obisidian, not the guys who gave them the money to make the game.

My point is, for every Drill Dozer, Daigasso, and Rhythm Tengoku that Nintendo develops there are 15 Pokemon games, 10 Mario games, and 5 Zelda games. And of course Daigasso, DD, and RT are thrown aside to handhelds while the big budget console releases are ALWAYS the same old safe bet franchises. Xenoblade and Excite Truck/Bots being the lone exceptions (and even then, Xeno and Excite are hardly new).

Why does it matter WHO made the games.  Why does it matter who gets credit?  I liked the Endless Ocean games a lot, Nintendo published them in the USA and sold them for 30 bucks.  It was in their interests to back the game, spend some money on it, and hopefully grab some potential consumers who were looking for a relaxing scuba exploration game. I'm one of those happy customers. 

The excite games were not developed by Nintendo either, Monster games did that, who I believed worked on Nascar stuff before that.

[iconoclast]

Well I guess that's just where we differ then. I don't consider Nier a Square Enix game just like I don't consider Ouendan a Nintendo game. /shrug

[Eel O'Brian]

You seem to have my character down pretty good, Feelbad.  I've been thinking of franchising, will you work for tentacle porn?

no, but i'll work in it

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[TakingBackSunday]

[youtube=560,345]zVMW3TlCPGw[/youtube]

OMGGGGG

[Himu]

Is that game a platformer or what? It looks so boring.

[TakingBackSunday]

wtf himu

you trollin' right

[maxy]

You people should realize that games are not made for us anymore.

Annyway,

3DS shipment
Japan...1.5 million
West...2.5 million
 
A lot or not?

[maxy]

Here in Europe i don't see much buzz yet,but people are probably waiting for a price announcement.

Have to correct myself,that data is not for day one

Iwata: 3DS shipment for Japan this FY (through March 31) will be 1.5 million. The remaining 2.5 million will head to the rest territories outside Japan.

 

[Sho Nuff]

Seriously though people


$300 hardware (native screen res)


$229 hardware (native screen res)

You can waste money to play your babby game

I will save money and play my MAN game

[MCD]

2nd screenshot look like some trash PC game.

[maxy]

Graphics are not important,gameplay is what matters
 

[maxy]

Unlike you(some weird stard+pctard combo) I have psp,like it more than any Nintendo handheld and will probably buy PS3 sometime.
Get back when you stop playing emulators...

Besides I was just joking

smh

[Ninja]

It looks kinda chunky, but at least the colour is decent. Battery life could be an issue but I'll probably never play it outdoors anyway.

[Eel O'Brian]

You people should realize that games are not made for us anymore.

Annyway,

3DS shipment
Japan...1.5 million
West...2.5 million
 
A lot or not?

No idea what the buzz is like in NA, and the TV commercials have *just* started rolling here, but I don't think they're going to have to worry about selling out in the first week with that size shipment, at any rate.

As a comparison, the Wii launched with 400k units in Japan and about 600k in the US, the DS fat launched with about 600k in each region, and the DS Lite launched with about 600k in each region.  Nintendo's obviously got high hopes here.  Probably hoping to avoid the sell-out issues they had with the Lite and the Wii.

probably not gonna have to worry about immediate sell-out if it's $300

[magus]

Well I guess that's just where we differ then. I don't consider Nier a Square Enix game just like I don't consider Ouendan a Nintendo game. /shrug

yea i think in the same way too... back when i was posting on gaf i got pissed when it was revealed that saki was one of the assist trophy of brawl,sin & punishment is a treasure game,not a nintendo one so i couldn't help but think that he was out of place,also i didn't know nier wasn't developed by square so who the heck made the game?

edit: Kid Icarus is such an enigmatic IP. There has been ONE SHIT GAME TWENTY YEARS AGO, yet Ninfans have been clamouring for a sequel on the internet for years. I guess it's that whole hivemind thing

this always bugged me too.... when you have one single obscure game how the heck does that count as a brand? it's the same with chrono trigger,it has 2 games that have almost nothing to do with each other yet it count as a brand that needs sequel.... that's incredibly stupid

[iconoclast]

Cavia made Nier.

They're dead now. :'(

[maxy]

You people should realize that games are not made for us anymore.

Annyway,

3DS shipment
Japan...1.5 million
West...2.5 million
 
A lot or not?

No idea what the buzz is like in NA, and the TV commercials have *just* started rolling here, but I don't think they're going to have to worry about selling out in the first week with that size shipment, at any rate.

As a comparison, the Wii launched with 400k units in Japan and about 600k in the US, the DS fat launched with about 600k in each region, and the DS Lite launched with about 600k in each region.  Nintendo's obviously got high hopes here.  Probably hoping to avoid the sell-out issues they had with the Lite and the Wii.

probably not gonna have to worry about immediate sell-out if it's $300

Those figures are not for day one,fiscal year(through March 31),so they could sell out depending how much they have on day one,first week.
But if it's $300,hmm
Especially in Europe...that could transfer to like 400 Euros here

[EmCeeGrammar]

Well I guess that's just where we differ then. I don't consider Nier a Square Enix game just like I don't consider Ouendan a Nintendo game. /shrug

yea i think in the same way too... back when i was posting on gaf i got pissed when it was revealed that saki was one of the assist trophy of brawl,sin & punishment is a treasure game,not a nintendo one so i couldn't help but think that he was out of place,also i didn't know nier wasn't developed by square so who the heck made the game?

Certain agreements turn out so that a company that didn't develop a game nevertheless maintains publishing rights.  There can never be a sin and punishment game on another platform without Nintendo's permission.  It's basically their ip.  Goldeneye has a similar entanglement, which is why the game only was remade on the Wii, but had to still be adjusted in many ways.  They could have done the same thing with rare properties like banjo kazooie but ultimately decided they got to keep their franchises.

[Himu]

what in the fuck does that mean?

[tiesto]

After a while, people just got used to banging the drum for a Kid Icarus sequel, and besides, what other dormant Nintendo IP is there left for them to bang the drum for? 

StarTropics  :'(

[maxy]

I just heard from someone that knows that the 3DS isnt really transit friendly.

xbot,sbot,troll,hater,why are you hating on Nintendo?

Seriously,what himu asked

spoiler (click to show/hide)

battery?
 
or region lock?

[close]

[magus]

Don't believe Kosma lies

He has real-life interest in games being bought for cellphones/ smartphones/ iDevices not for PSP/ 3DS handhelds. That's why he is spinning so hard against 3DS

I'M CAPTAIN BORYS FON EVILBURG FROM DALMASCA
DON'T BELIEVE KOSMA'S LIES