Catherine (X360/PS3) - July 26

[chronovore]

What does "extracted" mean? Was it leftovers from development, or were these placed there to be found, like the pre-announce Easter Eggs for Portal 2?

[Himu]

i don't fucking know but he did it!

[pilonv1]

Someone explain this to me, and whether or not I'll ever get to play it

[Raban]

Someone explain this to me, and whether or not I'll ever get to play it

Atlus made a puzzle platformer. According to our resident weeaboos, this game is a lock-in for a Western release.

[iconoclast]

At the same time, news is showing stories of people dying in their dreams, and he's started to have scary dreams too.

hoping for a guest appearance by Freddy Krueger

[pilonv1]

Someone explain this to me, and whether or not I'll ever get to play it

Story:
Guy has been dating a girl for ages, and she wants to get married, but he's scared to commit.
At the same time, news is showing stories of people dying in their dreams, and he's started to have scary dreams too.
Then this sassy girl appears, who seems to have an interest in him, and this whole love triangle thing kicks off.

Gameplay:
You have to escape dungeons, by climbing up a block-based action puzzle (think Mr. Driller in reverse). This is in your dreams.
If you die in your dreams, I guess you die in real life.

The gameplay will also include mobile phone emails, where you have to decide whether to reply to certain conversations or not. This will affect the story in ways currently unknown.

This sounds fantastic. Is there any relation to the Persona universe?

[Himu]

No. It's a brand new game by Atlus not related to SMT, though it borrows heavily from SMT tropes.

[magus]

are you sure guys? i remember reading on gaf that there is an NPC in persona 3 hinting at the game in fact i even have a video

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Himu]

It still has no connection. It's just a cameo.

Maybe there will P3P cameos, but...unlikely. There's a Teddie plushie in the demo in the bar. Doesn't mean it's related to Persona games.

[Bebpo]

It's not a persona game per se, but imo you can count it as a megaten game like Maken X or any other SMT spinoffs.

[Himu]

I'm not seeing it as a SMT spin off, though. Unless there's a Jack Frost or something, it's not to me. In any case, we'll see when it comes out.

[Bebpo]

Alright, I'll tell them to throw in a jack frost in a scene just so you can count it as megaten.

[magus]

if that lame pokemon spinoff can count,i guess this can count too

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this lame pokemon spinoff

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

you would think a game called demikids would have more chubby characters

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[Bebpo]

Wait.  How is this a megaten game?  There's absolutely nothing linking this game to megaten at all. 

Wait.  How is Maken X a megaten game?  Bebpo, are you classifying these games based on staff or something?

I think most people consider Maken X to be megaten.  Megaten has become more than just "it uses these specific demons".  It's become a style created by R&D1 staff.

I mean there is a big difference between games like Etrian Odyssey, Radiant Historia or Trauma Center & games like Maken X and Catherine.  The former games are absolutely nothing like Megaten, whereas the later carry the same style and focus on demons/demon-like creatures.

[Himu]

I never heard of Maken X being considered a part of Megami Tensei.

[Mr. Gundam]

I always wanted to play Maken X but never did. Looked for it and Maken Shao (PS2 version) in Japan last year but couldn't find them.

[cool breeze]

At first glance they have similar styles.  I don't get why it's that much of a stretch.  It's like first seeing a picture of Tobal and thinking it was a Chrono Trigger fighting game.

[Shaka Khan]

I've been a big Megaten fan since the PSX persona games, and I never considered Maken X a megaten game, nor heard of anyone who does. The only link I see is Kaneko's character design.

Catherine is definitely not a megaten game lol. The only link I can see, again, is Soejima.

[Mr. Gundam]

I always wanted to play Maken X but never did. Looked for it and Maken Shao (PS2 version) in Japan last year but couldn't find them.

Last time I saw Maken X it was being cleared out at Super Potato for 10 yen.  Probably why you couldn't find them anymore.

 

I'd be fine with the NA version, even though it censors all the Nazi and pope stuff.

[Diunx]

Is the demo up in the us store?

[Mr. Gundam]

At first glance they have similar styles.  I don't get why it's that much of a stretch.  It's like first seeing a picture of Tobal and thinking it was a Chrono Trigger fighting game.

Well yes, with the same artist working on both megaten and non-megaten games, I could see how the ig'nint might confuse them, but Bebpo isn't ig'nint.

[sarcasm]So Another Century's Episode 3 is part of Persona right, since Soejima did the character art?[/sarcasm]

[Raban]

Is the demo up in the us store?

No.  Game hasn't even been officially announced for an English release as of yet.

Then can we change the thread title? It's a little confusing.

[Himu]

it's coming, don't worry.

[Bebpo]

Shrug, you can call it an apple I'll call it an orange.  At the end of the day it doesn't matter since the game is the same game and whether it is megaten or not-megaten won't make a lick of a difference.

I just find the megaten umbrella pretty wide these days.  

What makes megaten, megaten?
Is it summoning demons?  DDS Avatar Tuner are megaten games for sure, but you don't summon demons.  
Is it using megaten spells like agi?  What if you make a non-rpg megaten like a visual novel?  Now it's not megaten because you aren't using the spells?
Is it that the game borrows from demon mythology?  Because there's been plenty of speculation Catherine features at least one if not more demons from mythology
etc..etc...

I don't think there's a quick and easy way to define what constitutes megaten spinoffs anymore.  Take Catherine for example.  If at some point in the game you meet the P4 characters or you find out the game takes place in the P4 world, would that suddenly make it megaten because it's a spinoff of a spinoff?  Or would you just call it a cameo and say its not megaten.  Or if there was a mini-game where you went to the demon world and could talk with Jack Frost does that suddenly make it megaten?  Or would that just be a cameo.  At what point of involvement does it qualify as a megaten spinoff?  It seems pretty vague to me these days.

[Shaka Khan]

Since it's coming from the Persona team, there are some possible cameos, but that's it as far as I'm concerned.

[Raban]

Thanks for the title change.

[Himu]

DDS games still had SMT demons and mythology. It was clearly an SMT spin off.

This has nothing to do with SMT.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I never thought Maken X was a Megaten game, wtf!

[magus]

that's it,that's it,i've got it

if they recycle all their 3D model from nocturne then it's a SMT spin off

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

I never thought Maken X was a Megaten game, wtf!

it is?

(digs out DC copy of Maken X)

well I'll be...

[pilonv1]

I've got a US version of Maken X for Dreamcast but had no idea it was a megaten game.

[Shaka Khan]

It's not.

Patel wasn't trying to say that it is.

[pilonv1]

I always wanted to play Maken X but never did. Looked for it and Maken Shao (PS2 version) in Japan last year but couldn't find them.

Last time I saw Maken X it was being cleared out at Super Potato for 10 yen.  Probably why you couldn't find them anymore.

 

I'd be fine with the NA version, even though it censors all the Nazi and pope stuff.

really?

[Positive Touch]

I always wanted to play Maken X but never did. Looked for it and Maken Shao (PS2 version) in Japan last year but couldn't find them.

Last time I saw Maken X it was being cleared out at Super Potato for 10 yen.  Probably why you couldn't find them anymore.

 

I'd be fine with the NA version, even though it censors all the Nazi and pope stuff.

i've got a copy i dont want!  paypal me $5 and it's yours

[naff]

So is there any event or somesuch where they might announce an English release or are we just waiting for a random presser?

[Mr. Gundam]

So is there any event or somesuch where they might announce an English release or are we just waiting for a random presser?

Atlus can't afford events.  They'll announce it soon after the JP release, I imagine.

Yeah, we'll get an email about it.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

It's not.

Patel wasn't trying to say that it is.

yeah, I'm just saying I do not inhabit the same world as Bebpo, where people (?) believe Maken X to be a Megaten game

[Howard Alan Treesong]

btw, played this last night, and it's totally great. while it's a puzzle game it's an awesome puzzle game, and the style and presentation are off the chain. also love the characters and dialogue - nice to see a protagonist in his 30s with girl problems beyond "oh no how do I talk to catgirl breasts"

[Mr. Gundam]

nice to see a protagonist in his 30s with girl problems beyond "oh no how do I talk to catgirl breasts"

This times a million.

[Himu]

btw, played this last night, and it's totally great. while it's a puzzle game it's an awesome puzzle game, and the style and presentation are off the chain. also love the characters and dialogue - nice to see a protagonist in his 30s with girl problems beyond "oh no how do I talk to catgirl breasts"

to be fair, this is unique to both sides of the ocean

[Mr. Gundam]

btw, played this last night, and it's totally great. while it's a puzzle game it's an awesome puzzle game, and the style and presentation are off the chain. also love the characters and dialogue - nice to see a protagonist in his 30s with girl problems beyond "oh no how do I talk to catgirl breasts"

to be fair, this is unique to both sides of the ocean

Doesn't matter, it's still refreshing.

[Himu]

That's what I was getting at.

[Mr. Gundam]

I love how grizzled war veterans in JRPGs are like 24.

[Himu]

Cloud is like 22 in FF7.

Honestly, I don't care about age, so long as they act a certain way. I mean, Ramza is like what, 17? At the start of FFT?

The cast of Persona 4 are all teenagers but they have more interesting character development than a lot of "adult" main characters.

Like anything, it's the way it's written. But it is refreshing.

[Mr. Gundam]

Cloud was 22? Wow, I always figured he was 16 or something.

[Himu]

I think he's the oldest FF main character, actually. Aside from Lightning.

Cecil is 20 in FF4

20 year old being in charge of a whole fleet.

[Mr. Gundam]

I always love reading through manuals and seeing the character profiles...

Stalwart hero -- 15 years old
Grizzled war hero, the wise mentor -- 23 years old

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I always love reading through manuals and seeing the character profiles...

Stalwart hero -- 15 years old
Grizzled war hero, the wise mentor -- 23 years old

Ojiisan or "Gramps," perverted old man -- 31 years old

--wait, I'm--

[Himu]

[magus]

it's actualy an anime,it's about this guy who has a sister that has a problem... she loves to play loli-porn game but she has to keep her dark secret from people like billy rygar!,yes i'm serious that's the plot,it's actualy a pretty funny anime

I always love reading through manuals and seeing the character profiles...

Stalwart hero -- 15 years old
Grizzled war hero, the wise mentor -- 23 years old

you know this always bugged me,if the character has a white beard then he's old and i don't give a fuck if the manual or source declare he's 40 years old or what....

[Bebpo]

It's Densha Otoko except worse and with more incest.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

It's Densha Otoko except worse and with more incest.

I HATE DENSHA OTOKO

I hated it at the time

but I hate it even more now that you can point to it as the exact turning point of Japanese otaku entitlement and moeblob culture

[magus]

yep

[magus]

but what about europeans?

[pilonv1]

Luckily, Americans have their brains wired correctly and nobody has any interest in incest and incest-related porn.  

Except for those non-gift giving Kentuckyians

[Mr. Gundam]

Luckily, Americans have their brains wired correctly and nobody has any interest in incest and incest-related porn.  

Except for those non-gift giving Kentuckyians

Hey now, they came through on the gifts!


They still like to fuck their sisters, though.

[Great Rumbler]

Speaking of embarrassing Japanese shit, what the fuck is wrong with people when they buy a game called:

"My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute"

I haven't a clue what it is (no way I'm searching for it) but honestly Japan

As far as that sort of things goes, it's the tamest there is.

[iconoclast]

Luckily, Americans have their brains wired correctly and nobody has any interest in incest and incest-related porn.   

Someone's never been to 4chan

[Diunx]

Or the nsfw links thread

[chronovore]

Our NSFW thread is about as titillating as The Huffington Post.