The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[TakingBackSunday]

this thread has gotten beyond pathetic at this point

[Sman]

What's EB's take on "Gafman"?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437035

GAF poking fun at itself and just flattering itself?

[benjipwns]

It started in that "draw superheroes in MS Paint" thread, which was a normal funny to good pictures of actual superheroes then the guy came in showing off GAFMAN (even though it wasn't from Paint and he drew it by hand) and the thread changed over to everyone sharing their ideas on his amazing powers and the guy showing off more and more of his drawings.

Sorta like the Dudebro thing.

[Oblivion]

Kenshin
Cromartie

[fistfulofmetal]

What's EB's take on "Gafman"?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437035

GAF poking fun at itself and just flattering itself?

http://i.imgur.com/HzMdj.jpg

i like this

[magus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437748
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437755

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[EmCeeGrammar]

Megaman will be relegated to Smash Bros 4 dlc.  Never heard from again.

[EmCeeGrammar]

It was a hell of a lot better than a lot of the sci-fi shit that comes out of Japan, like Evangelion.

Planetes
Serial Experiments Lain
Ghost in the Shell
Cowboy Bebop
Patlabor
Big O

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Aria

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Big O was unresolved until the terrible season 2 adult swim garbage.  Cowboy bebop's strength ain't its story, which is very barebones when you think about it.  Its really just a smattering of non related ventures with nice music, space travel and cool fight scenes.  I mean , its awesome, but the 'arc' is only sparingly tended to.

[Great Rumbler]

It was a hell of a lot better than a lot of the sci-fi shit that comes out of Japan, like Evangelion.

Planetes
Serial Experiments Lain
Ghost in the Shell
Cowboy Bebop
Patlabor
Big O

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Aria

[close]

Big O was unresolved until the terrible season 2 adult swim garbage.  Cowboy bebop's strength ain't its story, which is very barebones when you think about it.  Its really just a smattering of non related ventures with nice music, space travel and cool fight scenes.  I mean , its awesome, but the 'arc' is only sparingly tended to.

Both Big O and Cowboy Bebop have great WRITING regardless. Lots of good characters and stories, all inside an interesting world. And, although Cowboy Bebop's main story arc is used sparingly [5-6 episodes of the total run, I think], it's still really good and doesn't feel truncated.

Big O's main story gets really wild in the second season, though I still enjoyed it for its bizarre-ness, but it's strength is in the smaller stories, the one-offs, which it did really, really well.

[Himu]

Bullshit. Every episode of Cowboy Bebop shows an element of the society they live in and the way it depicts the future is really creative and refreshing. Just because every episode doesn't connect doesn't mean it has a barebones story. It has a barebones plot, which it uses to its advantage to flesh out its worldview.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Bullshit. Every episode of Cowboy Bebop shows an element of the society they live in and the way it depicts the future is really creative and refreshing. Just because every episode doesn't connect doesn't mean it has a barebones story. It has a barebones plot, which it uses to its advantage to flesh out its worldview.

Its called Blade Runner. You're welcome.

Rumbler, I find the writing kinda melodramatic in an unappealing way about half of the time.  I'm willing to chalk that up to cultural differences andor limitations of translations.

[Himu]

Cowboy Bebop is nothing like Blade Runner...

[EmCeeGrammar]

Firefly is Outlaw Star is Cowboy Bebop is Bladerunner.

[Great Rumbler]

Just in case we all forgot how awesome Cowboy Bebop is:

[youtube=560,345]LzFSsZo7rfA[/youtube]

And how are Blade Runner and Cowboy Bebop at all similar?

[Himu]

Man, the intro to Knockin' on Heavens Door

[youtube=560,345]Bx5OX9YbCA0[/youtube]

[Himu]

Man, let's do a Cowboy Bebop rewatch thread.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Look peoples, I like me some Bebop, but I don't find its writing to be that strong is all.

Buddha loves you and Jesus saves.

[Great Rumbler]

Look peoples, I like me some Bebop, but I don't find its writing to be that strong is all.

In what way is the writing not strong? Some of the episodes are weak, or deliberately silly, but the bulk are very well-written. Now, I wouldn't put it up against the absolute best movies and novels of all time, but within the realm of TV and anime it's up there near the top, for sure.

[Himu]

How is Bebop's writing weak though? You can say that the plot is barebones, but that doesn't change the fact the episodic episodes have excellent writing.

[EmCeeGrammar]

The episodes have interesting SCENARIOS.  The dialouge itself is often cheesy pontificating.  It doesn't feel genuine but rather tries too hard to be poignant.  The rival cowboy episode is awesome and funny and has cool fights but when the teddy bomber starts ruminating about the excessively tall buildings being manifestations of gree... blah blah blah blah.

[magus]

bebop? boooooooooring,it's literaly a "stuff happens" anime,there is no plot holding it together other than those few rare instances where they DO throw some plot at the viewer so he doesn't get too suspicious

it's like the big o,i like the premise,but nothing interessing ever happens,they go on adventure,they meet some bad guy,add some action sequence and your plot for the episode is done

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the episode where they get assaulted by the mutated space fridge lobster is amusing though

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[EmCeeGrammar]

bebop? boooooooooring,it's literaly a "stuff happens" anime,there is no plot holding it together other than those few rare instances where they DO throw some plot at the viewer so he doesn't get too suspicious

it's like the big o,i like the premise,but nothing interessing ever happens,they go on adventure,they meet some bad guy,add some action sequence and your plot for the episode is done

spoiler (click to show/hide)

the episode where they get assaulted by the mutated space fridge lobster is amusing though

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And I like all that "stuff" too!  Its just that I have no problem enjoying something warts and all.

[Great Rumbler]

What holds Cowboy Bebop together is the CHARACTERS. You have really good characters that are developed over the course of the series getting involved in interesting stories along the way.

Spike's story is the overarching plot, but all the other characters also get their time to shine, which you wouldn't necessarily get if the show only focused on that single, overarching plot.

[Himu]

The strength of the overarching story in Cowboy Bebop lies in its ambiguity.  They have 26 episodes for exposition but instead choose to show only what matters to Spike, rather than what would explain everything to the viewer.

It's never really explained what fully happened when he left the syndicate outside of random flashbacks and I really enjoy putting every piece to the puzzle. It's a very content heavy show for something that's 26 episodes.

[EmCeeGrammar]

The strength of the overarching story in Cowboy Bebop lies in its ambiguity.  They have 26 episodes for exposition but instead choose to show only what matters to Spike, rather than what would explain everything to the viewer.

I don't need everything explained per se.  But the questionable fiction in the universe doesn't derive so much from the scifi aspects but spotty motivations and how the characters express themselves.  Ed was arguably the best "character" on the show.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Although if I ever get skinny enough I'm bringing back my 'fro.

[Himu]

What the hell are you talking about? Their motivations are shown clear cut and center.

[magus]

Ed was arguably the best "character" on the show.

fuck no!



oh oh also!

[Great Rumbler]

[youtube=560,345]MlN7-eNsbCk[/youtube]

[EmCeeGrammar]

I haven't watched in years so its hard to recall specific examples.  In general, I refer back to the lecturer in Kaufman's Adaptation, who made it imperative that a writer avoids exposition via voiceover as its a lazy device to convey a message.  I think it was Autumn for Ganymede (?) whereas shit happens and Jett starts up about how we will forget the lessons we learned from our mistakes and will make those mistakes over and over again.  Can't disagree, but he used more words and a stronger work would let what has happened speak for itself.  It would be like if No Country for Old Men had a narrator explain the personal devastation of Chigruh having an injury he couldn't fix himself or detailing just what exactly Tommy Lee Jones' dreams signify.  I'm just saying there are more tactful ways to get the point across.  Then again there are inherent limitations of a serialissd tv series.  I aint hating on Bebop, just admitting some things irk me.

[Himu]

Voice over works. It works really well in Clockwork Orange for example. Its very dependent upon its use. Narration was the whole point. Jet is an every man, many of his episodes have a noir-esque flair. It's a throwback.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I hated it in Clockwork Orange.  Especially cus he's using some Kubricly engineered slang 1 out of 5 words.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I don't think one can say voice over is lazy, it is an artistic choice.

[TakingBackSunday]

Get me out of this thread ugh

[Himu]

I think it's a much better thread, to be honest.

[Himu]

The episodes have interesting SCENARIOS.  The dialouge itself is often cheesy pontificating.  It doesn't feel genuine but rather tries too hard to be poignant.  The rival cowboy episode is awesome and funny and has cool fights but when the teddy bomber starts ruminating about the excessively tall buildings being manifestations of gree... blah blah blah blah.

Wait, I somehow missed this.

You're complaining about a joke character who was even ignored within the episode and not taken seriously in the least bit? No one cares about Teddy Bomber. Did you even watch the episode? Every time Spike and his rival hear the bomber even SAY A WORD they ignore him. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!

[Great Rumbler]

I hated it in Clockwork Orange.  Especially cus he's using some Kubricly engineered slang 1 out of 5 words.

The slang came directly from the novel, Kubrick didn't invent it.

The episodes have interesting SCENARIOS.  The dialouge itself is often cheesy pontificating.  It doesn't feel genuine but rather tries too hard to be poignant.  The rival cowboy episode is awesome and funny and has cool fights but when the teddy bomber starts ruminating about the excessively tall buildings being manifestations of gree... blah blah blah blah.

Wait, I somehow missed this.

You're complaining about a joke character who was even ignored within the episode and not taken seriously in the least bit? No one cares about Teddy Bomber. Did you even watch the episode? Every time Spike and his rival hear the bomber even SAY A WORD they ignore him. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!

I was gonna comment on that earlier, but got off on another tangent instead. Yep, nobody cared about Teddy Bomber, no matter how much he desperately tried to get them to listen to him:

[youtube=560,345]dCkXPnYfvuU[/youtube]

[Himu]

The slang is a part of the charm.

[Himu]

I hated it in Clockwork Orange.  Especially cus he's using some Kubricly engineered slang 1 out of 5 words.

The slang came directly from the novel, Kubrick didn't invent it.

The episodes have interesting SCENARIOS.  The dialouge itself is often cheesy pontificating.  It doesn't feel genuine but rather tries too hard to be poignant.  The rival cowboy episode is awesome and funny and has cool fights but when the teddy bomber starts ruminating about the excessively tall buildings being manifestations of gree... blah blah blah blah.

Wait, I somehow missed this.

You're complaining about a joke character who was even ignored within the episode and not taken seriously in the least bit? No one cares about Teddy Bomber. Did you even watch the episode? Every time Spike and his rival hear the bomber even SAY A WORD they ignore him. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!

I was gonna comment on that earlier, but got off on another tangent instead. Yep, nobody cared about Teddy Bomber, no matter how much he desperately tried to get them to listen to him:

[youtube=560,345]dCkXPnYfvuU[/youtube]

That episode is fucking amazing. WE NEED A CB REWATCH THREAD.

[Herr Mafflard]

seems like a good time to link to overthinkingit's episode-by-episode analysis of Cowboy Bebop

http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/11/09/overthinking-cowboy-bebop-introduction/

it would make a great companion piece if you plan on rewatching the series

[Himu]

I'm reading this summary of Asteroid Blues and he already seems to be missing obvious stuff like why Katerina shot Asimov.

I'll read it, but I'm not expecting much. A lot of complaints people have for Bebop are pretty much explained within the fabric of the show, either through the writing and dialogue or through the animation and the characters' reactions to stuff.

It's not a surprise to me that most people I've met who dislike Bebop like stories explicitly to explain every detail to them.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437809

Defend the queen!

[Great Rumbler]

Alright, we're doing this:

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=36776.new#new

[Broseidon]

So you've all stopped bitching about anime now?

Thank fuck for that.

[Himu]

Bebop > gaf

[magus]

Bebpo > gaf

fixed

[Himu]

agreed

[MyNameIsMethodis]

is Y2Kev still one of our friends

[BlackMage]

I think it's a much better thread, to be honest.

you would say that, you son of a bitch! ok thats it!

ALL WEEABOOS OUT! 

[The Sceneman]

The slang is a part of the charm.

no it isnt

[Shaka Khan]

Oh wow. Wrath be crazy.

[Oblivion]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29444746&postcount=263

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29444866&postcount=265

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29444935&postcount=268

[Don Flamenco]

I'd like a movie based on GAF's perception of the game industry. 

It'd be like a really nerdy soap opera, considering how much emotion is imputed onto these companies and their actions.  People are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged when it comes to perceiving how an industry works...trace back the money, that's all you need to do.  But thankfully, the deviations from this one simple point makes for so much drama.

No, MS isn't "stealing" exclusives just to get back at and spite Sony.  No, Nintendo doesn't have its head up its ass for not localizing Xenowhateverthefuckwhofuckingcaresnobodythatswho...they won't make any profit on it, so why do it--everyone who signed the petition is some niche relic of 1997 back when JRPGs were actually popular.  No, Angry Birds' legacy is not completely dead in the water because they released a second improved version (that you have to pay full price for) after a publisher mix up on PSN. 

So, in the movie, the entire world pays super close attention to every detailed move by these 3 game companies.  Neogaf is some kind of elite group that everybody, even game companies, pay attention to.  Everything throughout the movie is very hyped up and super intense--people who are banned are killed by "mods" (trained mercenaries), NPD sales cause certain fans to commit suicide, while others become inexplicably rich when their favorite console wins, members manipulate the market by enlisting people around the country to destroy games/systems by rival companies that are in store, there are fight scenes ala the Warriors ("oh shit, we're in brony territory"), and E3 is like the Running Man or Total Recall or Robocop any 80s/90s action movie with dystopic corporations. 


Then, at the end of the movie, the camera starts at a shot of a destroyed Nintendo corporate headquarters...it pans out, going back through the clouds, out into space, then it emerges from a computer screen, and we have a shot of a dark room with a really fat, sweaty, and unwashed guy sitting in it, with anime figures everywhere, and it turns out the whole thing just totally took place in his head.

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437960

>Checks OP
>It isn't Mama Robotnik 

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[bud]

i tried to wipe those things off my screen, but it turns out they're hers.

[Don Flamenco]

welp, banned again. 

I kind of hate people like you. But especially you.

What do you mean like him? Explain, beau

Flamenco is one of those guys who is only on the bore as long as their ban sentence from gaf.  I'm starting to think Himuro takes it personally.

aw, that's not true, I usually do both or just the bore.  I didn't visit the bore much on this last stint though. 

and yes, some of the bore regulars get emotional over this kind of thing.  I don't even know who Sha Rukh Khan is (a name change maybe?) and I guess I've responded to some of Himuro's posts and have met that way, yet they both immediately told me to fuck off haha.

[Himu]

welp, banned again. 

I kind of hate people like you. But especially you.

What do you mean like him? Explain, beau

Flamenco is one of those guys who is only on the bore as long as their ban sentence from gaf.  I'm starting to think Himuro takes it personally.

aw, that's not true, I usually do both or just the bore.  I didn't visit the bore much on this last stint though. 

and yes, some of the bore regulars get emotional over this kind of thing.  I don't even know who Sha Rukh Khan is (a name change maybe?) and I guess I've responded to some of Himuro's posts and have met that way, yet they both immediately told me to fuck off haha.

Maybe it's because I love you and you're only here when you're banned from gaf? It makes me feel like I'm your mistress. Do you know how that feels?

[Dickie Dee]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437989

15mb gif, smh, pb should nuke his account

[Bildi]

SMH at that dickhead and everyone who thought that shitty gif was awesome.