The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[Mr. Gundam]

You work in tech, right? Have you brought up this idea of no NDAs to your coworkers or boss?

[Joe Molotov]

Is The Nigerian TheBlackStallion?

Yes.

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[Steve Contra]

:facepalm

You simply don't get it. 

[Mr. Gundam]

Companies do get feedback. They probably don't want feedback from random people on the internet.

:facepalm

You simply don't get it.

I'm sure he gets it, he just doesn't care and wants the information.

[Steve Contra]

You work in tech, right? Have you brought up this idea of no NDAs to your coworkers or boss?

Yes, ask your boss to let you off the NDA because you want to be more transparent with the media.

[Tasty]

:facepalm

You simply don't get it.

Maybe, but your examples aren't exactly illuminations to the soul.

[Steve Contra]

:facepalm

You simply don't get it.

I'm sure he gets it, he just doesn't care and wants the information.

This seems about right.  Though I'm not sure.  Ask DCharlie about the SEC and what happens if he starts running his lip.

[Tasty]

You work in tech, right? Have you brought up this idea of no NDAs to your coworkers or boss?

Yes, ask your boss to let you off the NDA because you want to be more transparent with the media.

Working within the system doesn't mean you have to approve of it.

"If you don't like the Patriot Act, move to Canada you commie!"

[Verdigris Murder]

There are specific legal reasons for A3DS, Andrex.  Publicly traded companies have to be very careful about when and how they announce, things .  Having NDAs and legal recourse when these are broken is a good way to do this.

Laws.

[Mr. Gundam]

You work in tech, right? Have you brought up this idea of no NDAs to your coworkers or boss?

Yes, ask your boss to let you off the NDA because you want to be more transparent with the media.

Working within the system doesn't mean you have to approve of it.

"If you don't like the Patriot Act, move to Canada you commie!"

Then you should totally talk to them about it. Make some waves and bring about change.

[Steve Contra]

:facepalm

You simply don't get it.

Maybe, but your examples aren't exactly illuminations to the soul.

Well that's because you don't really have any context besides what you want to see.  Lawsuits, criminal cases all come out of employees running their mouths when hey shouldn't be.  NDAs are meant to be a stop to that.

[Verdigris Murder]

The A is always in front.

[Tasty]

Companies do get feedback. They probably don't want feedback from random people on the internet.

At that point, it would be for them to decide. And it wouldn't be random people, it would mostly be their fans.

AKA the people most likely to buy their product. But I guess Sony doesn't need to pay attention to those people.

[Mr. Gundam]

:facepalm

You simply don't get it.

I'm sure he gets it, he just doesn't care and wants the information.

This seems about right.  Though I'm not sure.  Ask DCharlie about the SEC and what happens if he starts running his lip.

I can't talk about the cases or students I work with. Big time lawsuits ahoy.

[Broseidon]

Shut up, Andy.

[Tasty]

Then you should totally talk to them about it. Make some waves and bring about change.

Maybe I will. Maybe I won't. It's barely tangential to the conversation and nothing more than a distraction since you know, on some level, that I'm right.

[Steve Youngblood]

It isn't crucial information in the conventional sense. As I said, we've gotten along fine so far. But I don't think we've gone far enough. I would love to see Sony blog about the different GPUs it was thinking of going with. Then maybe they'd get some feedback to steer them away from something as distinguished mentally-challenged as RSX.

Or, they'd just be the contestant on The Price is Right trying to guess how much this refrigerator costs as jackasses in the audience yell at them prices ranging from "$1!!!" to "$20,000!!!"

"But then MS will just copy them, or do something better!" I would like to think Sony and Microsoft are knowledgeable enough to know all the possible options in any case. Why would a competitor going with X GPU change anything? It wouldn't. The only instance I could see is one of them choosing not to go with a similar GPU to make ports to competitors more difficult, but there would be pushback there from third parties.

I don't think the implication is necessarily just that their ideas will invariably be copied and improved upon in as much as the idea would just be that they prefer the competition being in the dark about what they're doing. Maybe it is that their million dollar idea may be stolen. Or maybe they just don't want the competition to have time to react to the key design choices made. Why is it beneficial to them for the competition to know what they're planning every step of the way. For that matter, why is it beneficial to us outside of a desire to know things?

[Tasty]

Laws.

LAW, MAN

Like, I know there's LAWS and PRECEDENTS out there that totally make NDAs crucial to every single company out there to survive. I just won't say what they are.

[Steve Contra]

One more thing, in most cases most people under NDA aren't even aware of the status of a project.  I've been on plenty of cancelled projects that were months in negotiations to be cancelled and we didn't know until....


(Wait for it)

Everyone else did.

[Tasty]

I don't think the implication is necessarily just that their ideas will invariably be copied and improved upon in as much as the idea would just be that they prefer the competition being in the dark about what they're doing. Maybe it is that their million dollar idea may be stolen. Or maybe they just don't want the competition to have time to react to the key design choices made.

So you agree it makes no logical sense.

Why is it beneficial to them for the competition to know what they're planning every step of the way.

It isn't, but that's my point. Why should we care? More knowledge creates more fervored competition. If Microsoft was going to release 360.5 but Sony announced they were leapfrogging them significantly, and Microsoft beefed their next system up, you don't think that's a net win for consumers even if it's a loss of competitive edge for Sony?

For that matter, why is it beneficial to us outside of a desire to know things?

I've explained it several times, keep up. I know it might be a little difficult for you.

[Steve Contra]

Laws.

LAW, MAN

Like, I know there's LAWS and PRECEDENTS out there that totally make NDAs crucial to every single company out there to survive. I just won't say what they are.

It's called an 8-k.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_8-K#When_Form_8-K_is_required

So please shut up now.

[Tasty]

One more thing, in most cases most people under NDA aren't even aware of the status of a project.  I've been on plenty of cancelled projects that were months in negotiations to be cancelled and we didn't know until....


(Wait for it)

Everyone else did.

Good, that's the model that should be applied top to bottom.

[Tasty]

Laws.

LAW, MAN

Like, I know there's LAWS and PRECEDENTS out there that totally make NDAs crucial to every single company out there to survive. I just won't say what they are.

It's called an 8-k.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_8-K#When_Form_8-K_is_required

So please shut up now.

No, because just posting that doesn't say anything.

[Shadow Mod]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

[Mupepe]

ITT Andrex wants Steve Contra and Mr. Gundam to summarize corporate law and the associated economic theories in a single post. 

[StealthFan]

The Black Stallion lmfao. Goddamn GAF used to be great.

Stallion's attempt at being another Maddox wasn't so funny though. His entry about the Sniper series made me chuckle a bit, even if he was trying too hard.

[Steve Contra]

Laws.

LAW, MAN

Like, I know there's LAWS and PRECEDENTS out there that totally make NDAs crucial to every single company out there to survive. I just won't say what they are.

It's called an 8-k.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_8-K#When_Form_8-K_is_required

So please shut up now.

No, because just posting that doesn't say anything.

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

[Tasty]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

I would love for this to happen because so many of my projects go unfinished. Like with Candlepin which I posted a while back, I would love for there to be a site that used those same ideas since I've cooled off on it.

As it is, I usually announce most of my projects by simultaneously posting a GitHub link. Sharing is caring.

[Great Rumbler]

Information just wants to be free, man.

[Tasty]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

[Joe Molotov]

Andrex, you are on the verge of being banned here. Demi didn't want to tell you, but I'm breaking NDA.

[Tasty]

Information just wants to be free, man.

You said it.

[Shadow Mod]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

I would love for this to happen because so many of my projects go unfinished. Like with Candlepin which I posted a while back, I would love for there to be a site that used those same ideas since I've cooled off on it.

As it is, I usually announce most of my projects by simultaneously posting a GitHub link. Sharing is caring.

You're specifically referencing stuff you didn't finish because ::hindsight::. If it was something great that others aren't doing and you mention it, the race is on to beat you to it even if the quality is lesser. That's the point, securing ideas.

[Tasty]

Andrex, you are on the verge of being banned here. Demi didn't want to tell you, but I'm breaking NDA.

Cool. Not like I was getting much out of the discourse anyways.

[Verdigris Murder]

ITT Andrex wants Steve Contra and Mr. Gundam to summarize corporate law and the associated economic theories in a single post.

But still. The law is fine, but the lawyers are mostly pretty fucking awful. It's a bit like the Koran and suicide bombers I guess.

[Tasty]

Andrex. Every new project you do I hope you blog about it extensively so others can steal your ideas.

I would love for this to happen because so many of my projects go unfinished. Like with Candlepin which I posted a while back, I would love for there to be a site that used those same ideas since I've cooled off on it.

As it is, I usually announce most of my projects by simultaneously posting a GitHub link. Sharing is caring.

You're specifically referencing stuff you didn't finish because ::hindsight::. If it was something great that others aren't doing and you mention it, the race is on to beat you to it even if the quality is lesser. That's the point, securing ideas.

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

[Shadow Mod]

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Oh dear lord. I've seen some fabulous designs that were shallow as all fuck.

[Mupepe]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

In other words, take some economics classes and put 2 and 2 together.  You sound a lot like a libertarian (or a troll) with your naivety

[Shadow Mod]

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

Fuck that we need more rumors in the market.

[Tasty]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

That's basically handicapping information for the sake of the dumb, which I can accept on a pragmatic level but not an idealistic one.

[Tasty]

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Oh dear lord. I've seen some fabulous designs that were shallow as all fuck.

Then the execution wasn't very good.

[Steve Contra]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

Yes, because employees are not allowed to trade on info that isn't public, hence filing an 8-k and alerting investors all at once, not through some fansite.

[Shadow Mod]

What does the information sharing actually do for people Andrex?

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Oh dear lord. I've seen some fabulous designs that were shallow as all fuck.

Then the execution wasn't very good.

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

[Mupepe]

You asked for laws.  Be a public corporation and just start letting employees announce whatever they want whenever they want and see how the SEC treats you.

Are you saying investors should find things out a long time after employees? Because I'm having difficulty understanding how you're connecting this with your 8K link.

He's saying the potential for abuse by individual employees is too high.  "Company X is working on a new miracle drug" when in reality "Company X is starting research into a potential new miracle drug" + the confusion this would cause in markets.  The whole point of the SEC is to keep the markets stable.

That's basically handicapping information for the sake of the dumb, which I can accept on a pragmatic level but not an idealistic one.

[In other words, take some economics classes and put 2 and 2 together.  You sound a lot like a libertarian (or a troll) with your naivety

Damn I called it.  The world doesn't function ideally.

[Steve Contra]

It lets Andrex know about Nintendo in development 2 months early.

[Shadow Mod]

It lets Andrex know about Nintendo in development 2 months early.

That's what he wants despite how much instability in investing it would cause and how it wouldn't change much for him?

Ideas are worthless next to execution.

Eh, this sentiment has been the thrust of game development this whole generation and the overall product has been uninspiring. I'd rather play something daring and interesting but flawed in a few respects than some boring shit that's been polished to a marble. How Nintendo of you.

In design we call them polished turds.

[Great Rumbler]

NDAs are bad now? I guess it's time for doctors and psychologists to flood the internet with patient records! Someone out there probably really wants to get that information and it would wrong to not let them see it.

[Tasty]

What does the information sharing actually do for people Andrex?

Nothing. That's why the internet is completely worthless.

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

Execution isn't only design.

[Shadow Mod]

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

Execution isn't only design.

Now you're just not even making sense.

[Flannel Boy]

Mario jumps in 2D, Mario jumps in 3D, Mario rides around in a kart, Mario plays golf, Mario parties, Mario forces his brother to vacuum his house. There.

[Tasty]

NDAs are bad now? I guess it's time for doctors and psychologists to flood the internet with patient records! Someone out there probably really wants to get that information and it would wrong to not let them see it.

I never implied it was, just that it's a problem in he games industry specifically.

To use an example, patents are crucial and necessary in some fields like medicine, but completely toxic in others like software.

[Mupepe]

Andrex: The Ron Paul of The Bore.

[Tasty]

Haha you can have a pretty awesome looking design without staying power or a strong concept. You're deciding "execution" is the entire design process.

Execution isn't only design.

Now you're just not even making sense.

You can execute on more than design, I'm not sure how to make that clearer. You can execute a daring new concept roughly, but it could still be executed better than if it wasn't executed at all. Which is what I meant by saying ideas are worthless.

[Tasty]

Andrex: The Ron Paul of The Bore.

Who?

[Steve Youngblood]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

He basically just thinks that corporations would be better if they ran like open source software projects.

[Great Rumbler]

NDAs are bad now? I guess it's time for doctors and psychologists to flood the internet with patient records! Someone out there probably really wants to get that information and it would wrong to not let them see it.

I never implied it was, just that it's a problem in he games industry specifically.

To use an example, patents are crucial and necessary in some fields like medicine, but completely toxic in others like software.

Now you're just picking and choosing. You were never on the "free information" bandwagon at all!

[Shadow Mod]

You can execute on more than design, I'm not sure how to make that clearer. You can execute a daring new concept roughly, but it could still be executed better than if it wasn't executed at all. Which is what I meant by saying ideas are worthless.

Saying ideas are worthless is the dumbest declarative statement I've read in a long time.

[Tasty]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

I don't really care what it sounds like, it's what I believe to be true.

[Steve Contra]

And it's dumb, case closed.

[Great Rumbler]

TBH it sounds like you just want ur game nooz and you want it NOW, rather than any legitimate justifying rationale backed up by data.

I don't really care what it sounds like, it's what I believe to be true.

Well, I believe that Reggie and Shiggy are gonna come to my house one day and throw me an awesome party with a million naked women and a bounce castle, but it ain't gonna happen and there are a lot of good reasons why.