The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[DCharlieJP]

So you're saying it's good for consumers that PS1 players had to wait longer to get analog sticks

No - it was good for Nintendo. With everyone having ultimate knowledge of what all other competitors are doing would lead to an absolute lack of innovation effort - why bother if you have no means to protect your ideas?

[Shadow Mod]

Who's the dense one now?

What are you talking about. I'm saying you didn't help your case amending your statement.

Also- If a stolen good idea is executed better than the original, then it's a net gain for me as a consumer. Speaking in games industry terms.

Holy shit you can't be serious. You've never ran into a product in which a company tries to outpace someone else's idea but ends up with a shitty product as a result? You think the stuff gets stolen and is typically made better? Ugh.

[StealthFan]

You guys are wasting so much time arguing with this moron. Look how many pages you've produced in the past 24 hours.

[Steve Contra]

So you're saying it's good for consumers that PS1 players had to wait longer to get analog sticks

No - it was good for Nintendo. With everyone having ultimate knowledge of what all other competitors are doing would lead to an absolute lack of innovation effort - why bother if you have no means to protect your ideas?

And there's the general thrust.  If every dipshit working for you is going to take pictures of every design doc you have why be in business?  And then who does that help?

[Tasty]

Who's the dense one now?

What are talking about. I'm saying you didn't help your case amending your statement.

I messed up the second time I typed it because I'm replying to like 12 people, lol. It hurts my case as much as a typo, since I started out and have been consistent with saying "next to execution."

You messed up by assuming I wasn't.

So you're saying it's good for consumers that PS1 players had to wait longer to get analog sticks

No - it was good for Nintendo. With everyone having ultimate knowledge of what all other competitors are doing would lead to an absolute lack of innovation effort - why bother if you have no means to protect your ideas?

Money? Creativity? The drive for wealth and to make something is still just as strong, it's just now there's more inspiration to draw from.

[Shadow Mod]

So you're saying it's good for consumers that PS1 players had to wait longer to get analog sticks

No - it was good for Nintendo. With everyone having ultimate knowledge of what all other competitors are doing would lead to an absolute lack of innovation effort - why bother if you have no means to protect your ideas?

And there's the general thrust.  If every dipshit working for you is going to take pictures of every design doc you have why be in business?  And then who does that help?

Consumers dude. The competition will make a better one and then all of the companies will be forced to compete for real!

[Great Rumbler]

Exactly, your hypothesis only works in a controlled environment.

Alright. Then I'll admit I'm not being pragmatic about some of it. But I still believe in the overall idea.

Go to a shady construction company and get them to work up a blueprint for the house you want to build.

[Tasty]

Exactly, your hypothesis only works in a controlled environment.

Alright. Then I'll admit I'm not being pragmatic about some of it. But I still believe in the overall idea.

Go to a shady construction company and get them to work up a blueprint for the house you want to build.

I've been clear from the start I'm only concerned with the games industry in this discussion.

[Shadow Mod]

Exactly, your hypothesis only works in a controlled environment.

Alright. Then I'll admit I'm not being pragmatic about some of it. But I still believe in the overall idea.

Go to a shady construction company and get them to work up a blueprint for the house you want to build.

This reminds me of when a part of my dad's G5 broke, apparently two companies were in competition to build that part, one stole docs in order to be the one to get the contract first. Part broke because the intel was bad. lul.

[Flannel Boy]

You guys are wasting so much time arguing with this moron. Look how many pages you've produced in the past 24 hours.

it's been more like 24 minutes.

[DCharlieJP]

Last try :

Universe 1 : Nintendo launch Wii - waggle shown late - massive success. MS and Sony scramble to counter, but they missed out

Universe 2 : Nintendo launch Wii - but they disclosed the waggle very early - MS and Sony able to include waggle at launch. Competitive advantage for Nintendo squandered.

- you can see no reason at all why NDAs help turn differentiating ideas into success stories and how that would be lost in noNDA land?

Also : Miyamoto should give out the specs/design docs for all his up coming projects ? I mean - that doesn't dilute his genius at all does it? What about his worth to any single company?

[Shadow Mod]

Last try :

Universe 1 : Nintendo launch Wii - waggle shown late - massive success. MS and Sony scramble to counter, but they missed out

Universe 2 : Nintendo launch Wii - but they disclosed the waggle very early - MS and Sony able to include waggle at launch. Competitive advantage for Nintendo squandered.

- you can see no reason at all why NDAs help turn differentiating ideas into success stories and how that would be lost in noNDA land?

I think his point is that MS/Sony should have been able to make their own versions because he's under the assumption they would have and that's overall better for gamers.

He doesn't care about competition/advantages among companies but thinks consumers are that entitled.

[Broseidon]

Devo that soccergoalie dude is back and he's being a cunt again 

[Shadow Mod]

Devo that soccergoalie dude is back and he's being a cunt again 

Sorry bruh I got banned for posting when I'm supposed to be clairvoyant and avoid all threads some mod doesn't like.

[DCharlieJP]

I think his point is that MS/Sony should have been able to make their own versions because he's under the assumption they would have and that's overall better for gamers.

So - along with NDAs do we trash IP/copyright laws too? Better for gamers and all that - plus, Nintendo games on iOS : better for gamers

Just seems to be more than a touch naive ...

[Steve Contra]

Last try :

Universe 1 : Nintendo launch Wii - waggle shown late - massive success. MS and Sony scramble to counter, but they missed out

Universe 2 : Nintendo launch Wii - but they disclosed the waggle very early - MS and Sony able to include waggle at launch. Competitive advantage for Nintendo squandered.

- you can see no reason at all why NDAs help turn differentiating ideas into success stories and how that would be lost in noNDA land?

Also : Miyamoto should give out the specs/design docs for all his up coming projects ? I mean - that doesn't dilute his genius at all does it? What about his worth to any single company?

Universe 3: Nintendo discloses waggle way too early.  Sony copies it as last ps2 peripheral.  It bombs, people mock it, Nintendo execs scramble, wii comes out as conventional console, waggle added as peripheral months later, is forgotten.

No one wins.

[StealthFan]

You guys are wasting so much time arguing with this moron. Look how many pages you've produced in the past 24 hours.

it's been more like 24 minutes.

lolno. Check the times again bro. People were arguing with him earlier.

[Shadow Mod]

I think his point is that MS/Sony should have been able to make their own versions because he's under the assumption they would have and that's overall better for gamers.

So - along with NDAs do we trash IP/copyright laws too? Better for gamers and all that - plus, Nintendo games on iOS : better for gamers

Just seems to be more than a touch naive ...

It's naive and idealistic as all hell. When companies rush to copy each other we don't automatically win out on better products to choose from. It's often the opposite due to being first to the finish line.

[Tasty]

Consumers dude. The competition will make a better one and then all of the companies will be forced to compete for real!

As opposed to everyone just lying on the ground, starving because they have no motivation to do anything since there's a chance it might be copied.

[Broseidon]

Devo that soccergoalie dude is back and he's being a cunt again 

Sorry bruh I got banned for posting when I'm supposed to be clairvoyant and avoid all threads some mod doesn't like.

Wah?

[Shadow Mod]

Consumers dude. The competition will make a better one and then all of the companies will be forced to compete for real!

As opposed to everyone just lying on the ground, starving because they have no motivation to do anything since there's a chance it might be copied.

The irony is that your statement applies more to the inability to safeguard ideas. Then what would be the point of entrepreneurship? Trying to establish new things would be futile if it's always made public.

Devo that soccergoalie dude is back and he's being a cunt again 

Sorry bruh I got banned for posting when I'm supposed to be clairvoyant and avoid all threads some mod doesn't like.

Wah?

Just meant I can't engage his lulz. I don't think I posted my ban reason.

Continuing to provoke a user when you knew exactly how it was going to turn out (e.g. a shit thread).

[cool breeze]

Hey guys, so how bout' dat NeoGAF? I heard they be actin' a fool over there

%insert link%

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[Tasty]

lolno. Check the times again bro. People were arguing with him earlier.

It's been like four and a half hours.

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world, but I really just wanted to defend my position on NDAs in the gaming industry. I don't think they're necessary anymore, for anyone, but especially gamers.

[Tasty]

The irony is that your statement applies more to the inability to safeguard ideas. Then what would be the point of entrepreneurship? Trying to establish new things would be futile if it's always made public.

That's what my post was making fun of. The idea that nothing would be worth trying because it might be copied is absurd. NDAs are a relatively new invention in the history of media, and as far as I'm concerned, an unnecessary one in most cases when applied to the gaming industry.

[Steve Contra]

lolno. Check the times again bro. People were arguing with him earlier.

It's been like four and a half hours.

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world, but I really just wanted to defend my position on NDAs in the gaming industry. I don't think they're necessary anymore, for anyone, but especially gamers.

Yes, and we've proven over and over again that they are.  For employees, stockholders, the Government, almost everyone outside of forum things.

[Shadow Mod]

The irony is that your statement applies more to the inability to safeguard ideas. Then what would be the point of entrepreneurship? Trying to establish new things would be futile if it's always made public.

That's what my post was making fun of. The idea that nothing would be worth trying because it might be copied is absurd. NDAs are a relatively new invention in the history of media, and as far as I'm concerned, an unnecessary one in most cases when applied to the gaming industry.

It would make competition a moot point if you have to let someone see your test answers. I don't see why you're oblivious to this.

[Boogie]

Holy fuckbeans at the last five pages. 

Anyway, so what does TBS actually do currently with his pimped-out poses with beachside views?  Is he slinging?

[StealthFan]

I think he's full of shit. Stallion was always a clever cat but I think those pics are him in someone else's habitat.

[Steve Contra]

Holy fuckbeans at the last five pages. 

Because the last 885 were sparkling examples of human endeavor, right?

[Boogie]

Holy fuckbeans at the last five pages. 

Because the last 885 were sparkling examples of human endeavor, right?

....

okay, point.

[Steve Contra]

I really don't think Andrex realizes he is crossing into Libertarian territory.  We'll see a repeat of Flame of Callandor soon.  Same stubborn posting, same style, Nintendo fans.  Can't wait.

[Boogie]

I think he's full of shit. Stallion was always a clever cat but I think those pics are him in someone else's habitat.

ah, yes, that would be his M.O., wouldn't it?

[StealthFan]

I believe his only involvement in Mollywatr is his friendship with the owner and that he agreed to help shill it. Then in true BS fashion he brags online that this is actually partially his product.

[Shadow Mod]

I'm probably annoying the fuck out of people by now but lol athletes are all rapists.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46057961&postcount=85

[Barry Egan]

My favorite part was when the one guy said "ideas are worthless" and then vehemently argued that point for pages.

[Steve Contra]

My favorite part was when the one guy said "ideas are worthless" and then vehemently argued that point for pages.

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506801

Emily Chu... brilliant troll or stupid fucking bumpkin?

[Tasty]

It would make competition a moot point if you have to let someone see your test answers. I don't see why you're oblivious to this.

So no one competed over anything before patents and NDAs? Please.

Ah, to be in my early 20s and idealistically stupid again

Don't miss it at all

Had I been here in the beginning I'd have pointed out MML3 as a good example of something that would have been better for all parties were it not disclosed so early.

MML3 doesn't prove anything except how awful Capcom is at managing things and how little Inafune actually cared about the series.

[Steve Contra]

We've moved on to just making fun of you know, Callandor Junior.

[Great Rumbler]

Patents of one kind or another have existed since 500 BC.

[StealthFan]

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world

christ i hope some scientist manages to resurrect a stegosaur so it fucks you to death

        

[Mr. Gundam]

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world

christ i hope some scientist manages to resurrect a stegosaur so it fucks you to death

        

Ah, to be young and naive.

Actually, scratch that. That's offensive to young people.

[Great Rumbler]

If anything, NDAs actually force companies to be more innovative and creative, since they're not sure what their competitors are doing or working years and years in advance.

I know, I know, the conversation has long passed its expiration date BUT I DON'T PLAY BY YOUR RULES.

[parallax]

I'm probably annoying the fuck out of people by now but lol athletes are all rapists.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46057961&postcount=85

Its nice to see that measly is still saying dumb shit

[Tasty]

I probably got ahead of myself by posting my far-future ideals for the world

christ i hope some scientist manages to resurrect a stegosaur so it fucks you to death

[pilonv1]

god damn I feel dumb after reading Andrex from the last 5 pages

[Tasty]

god damn I feel dumb after reading Andrex from the last 5 pages

How do you think I feel, I had to write that drivel.

[DCharlieJP]

There is actuallyan instructional video i had to watch on NDA/IP/copyright in my previous life in copyright and, lol, anti-piracy - it would make Andrex realise why his idea is so god awful

Oh - ps- you know how often we are reminded about our NDA commitments at work? Every month - mandatory training - with a quiz that, if failed, means you go on even more mandatory training. Whilst i'd love to not go through repeated training and stress of ndas they are here to stay and they are in the interests of every creative type/coder/implementer etc on the planet

[Don Flamenco]

mml3     

capcom's just like "fuck this shit, never tell them anything again" 

[StealthFan]

The only thing MML3 proves is that Mega Man fans are almost as bad as Sonic's when it comes to accepting drivel.

[benjipwns]

To use an example, patents are crucial and necessary in some fields like medicine, but completely toxic in others like software.

The thing about patents is that you get (theoretically at least) a term of monopoly protection in exchange for PUBLISHING the finding/discovery/invention/etc.

If you eliminated the patent everything would be locked away under NDA's and held as trade secrets even more so.

Why should Pfzier enjoy a head start and get a return on their investment before sharing their wonder drug (which can then be made generic in five years or whatever) but Google or Nintendo or Microsoft shouldn't on the products they manufactured?

It's one thing if you're opposed to the entire state-run patent system or want to overhaul it (scale it back or expand it for everyone) from its current state, but it's quite another if you want to pick and choose what should get monopoly protections and what shouldn't based only on whatever products you currently want immediate access to.

[StealthFan]

The only thing MML3 proves is that Mega Man fans are almost as bad as Sonic's when it comes to accepting drivel.

So you think they wouldn't have been better off not saying anything about it until they were sure they were going through with it?  We're not talking about the low standards of Mega Man fans here.  Stay on target or we're going to lose Andrex again.

Andrex

Plenty of games get cancelled. I've looked forward to so many games that were announced/rumored and then shitcanned. What makes MML3 so special that these cats have to whine repeatedly about it?

[Don Flamenco]

The only thing MML3 proves is that Mega Man fans are almost as bad as Sonic's when it comes to accepting drivel.

So you think they wouldn't have been better off not saying anything about it until they were sure they were going through with it?  We're not talking about the low standards of Mega Man fans here.  Stay on target or we're going to lose Andrex again.

Andrex

Plenty of games get cancelled. I've looked forward to so many games that were announced/rumored and then shitcanned. What makes MML3 so special that these cats have to whine repeatedly about it?

the response is gonna be about how some PR guy didn't properly sugar-coat their statement to the community and/or that capcom didn't try hard enough.   Fans can't accept that for one reason or another, the project just wasn't going to work.  If there was money in it, they would have done it. 

[Van Cruncheon]

in andrex' disney princess pollyanna universe, there is no mass global communications infrastructure or high-speed small factor digitization devices, just a version of google that plays christian pop rock in its halls

[Van Cruncheon]

6) fancreatures who are obsessed with a stupid franchise mascot and the attendant manufactured "universe"

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Oh man, if I did anything close to what Andrex was proposing for my job, FERC would drill several fuck holes into me, penetrate them hard and deep, and throw me in the corner, leaving me for dead.

[DCharlieJP]

You know what's even funnier regarding NDA's ? We aren't allowed to discuss salary levels with other employees - as my wife is in the same firm we are legally bound to not discuss what we earn with ech other lol

[Steve Youngblood]

Oh man, if I did anything close to what Andrex was proposing for my job, FERC would drill several fuck holes into me, penetrate them hard and deep, and throw me in the corner, leaving me for dead.

But you'd be making the world a more transparent -- and thus better -- place.

[benjipwns]

Don't worry, Charlie. They can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.

[Timedog]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46064650&postcount=1

"manz"

ummm, what??