Nintendo 3DS thread

[EmCeeGrammar]

Mercenaries is an arcade style game that would lend itself to quick bursts.  If I do get a 3ds it would definitely be a must have for me.

[bork]

People who whine about wanting "console games on a console" are idiots.  That doesn't even make sense.  Go play some stupid cell phone games if you want some crap that's over in minutes.

Mercenaries is an arcade style game that would lend itself to quick bursts.  If I do get a 3ds it would definitely be a must have for me.

Yup.  And since RE uses one analog stick anyway, the controls aren't gonna be an issue.  In fact, the game making use of the touch screen for extremely fast weapon-switching might make it better.

[TakingBackSunday]

Zelda and RE: Mercenaries, and DOA.  omgggg Zelda and RE: Mercenaries, and DOA.  omgggg Zelda and RE: Mercenaries, and DOA.  omgggg Zelda and RE: Mercenaries, and DOA.  omgggg Zelda and RE: Mercenaries, and DOA.  omgggg Zelda and RE: Mercenaries, and DOA.  omgggg

not specifically pointing this at or that you are even saying the following , but i've seen a number of Ninthings say this about 10 posts after they dismiss the NGP with the usual "i want to play console games on a console, not a handheld!" chuff. Hey ho, not sure why anyone would decide to limit their own options with bluster and guff, but that's flag-waving geeks for you.

I want an NGP eventually, it all depends on the games available for it.  If its the standard Sony affair, games that I myself am not into (Killzone, Uncharted, Warhawk, what have you), then I probably won't care to get one for a while.  Now if they get a game like a Kingdom Hearts or a brand new Resident Evil game as well, then I'll be interested.  Don't group me with standard ninthings  

[maxy]

Nintendo’s US liaison on the hunt for studios “with a sense of craftsmanship”, with mixed results.

Nintendo’s Kensuke Tanabe is on the lookout for more developers of the calibre of Retro Studios, who so impressed the Nintendo producer during development of Donkey Kong Country Returns – but admits that too many US game companies are “running a business for business’ sake.”

Retro has been working under Nintendo’s wing for a decade, developing the Metroid Prime series for the firm, before taking on last year’s Donkey Kong reboot. Now Tanabe, who works with Nintendo-affiliated US developers, says he wants to find more studios of a similar standard.

Asked if it was important for Nintendo to strengthen its relationships with foreign developers, Tanabe tells us: “I absolutely believe so. I work with other development partners, such as [Punch Out!! developer] Next Level Games in Vancouver and Monster Studios [of Pilotwings Resort] in Minneapolis.

“And they, much like Retro, really get our development philosophies. I want to find as many people as we can, as many great companies as we can to get involved with. I’m really looking for developers with a sense of craftsmanship.”

That, Tanabe admits, has proven hard to find, with his personal feeling being that “there’s a real increase in the number of companies that look like they’re really running a business for business’ sake. There are many of those certainly within the midst of the gaming industry as a whole, or at least I feel that way.”

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/tanabe-we-need-more-like-retro

[Herr Mafflard]

No one wants to make non-shovelware waggle games for Nintendo  :'(. They must lack craftsmanship.

Or they actually want a return on their investments. How dare they - Business for business sake.

[Damian79]

Nintendo wants to find dev studios and cripple then by having to work on outdated hardware.

Retro>Nintendo.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think Nintendo should try again at acquiring western studios. Silicon Knights, Factor 5, Rare, and Left Field were all worth losing, but Monster has put out 4 great games under them, Next Level Games made the best punch out ever, and I think Headstrong could do some solid creative work for them.  These companies understand their platforms very well and make experiences that feel on par with Nintendo's own output.  Well, Headstrong could stand to polish things more, but its usually a time issue.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The difficulty is trying to find a quality western studio that wants to work exclusively for Nintendo.  Nintendo is the antithesis of the past decade of western gaming design.  Even developers facing bankruptcy would rather go insolvent than work on the Wii.  To get them to only work for Nintendo is a tall order, which is why they previously relied on low or unproven quality development studios like Left Field.  Also given that Nintendo's relationships with third parties are often defined with an undercurrent of hostility, you're not going to find a AAA developer that will be forced to pump out Nintendogs or Kid Icarus sequels and that is it.

The best thing Nintendo can do is hope that the studio that works on Ubi Petz or My Little Pony DS is willing to go rogue and work for Nintendo.  That Nintendo could attempt to cultivate them and turn shit into gold.  That is pretty much their only option.

[maxy]

Nintendo consoles are like handhelds in the eyes of big Western developers,barely anyone takes them seriously.

Ninthings always argue that Nintendo games are soo good that third party cannot compete even in wildest dreams,but reality is a bit more complicated.

Nintendo has some kiddy stigma attached to them,maybe unfair maybe not but Nintendo is fully embracing that(kids friendly machine,approving anything that has potential to bring $$$).Big Western devs treat it like that,target audience=5 year old kids(or people that have no clue about gaming).As said above even developers facing bankruptcy would rather go insolvent than work on the Wii...that tells a lot

But even more importantly audience is treating it like that,want to play GTA,Halo,MW,RDR,Bioshock,Mass Effect,Assassins Creed,Bayonetta,Crysis 2,etc like games buy anything except Nintendo...even dirt on the road is more useful for that purpose than Nintendo console
What kind of lunatic would buy next-gen Nintendo console in hope to play those games?

Two things that are biggest stumbling blocs for Nintendo

-archaic online system
-reptilian age hardware

They can fix those things with money,but do they really want to?
Imagine a world were Nintendo console fills the headlines as "shooter box,mass murder simulator,violence inducing console,sex sex sex"

[Joe Molotov]

2D Rabbids Platformer is out today. Any good?

[archie4208]

Imagine a world were Nintendo console fills the headlines as "shooter box,mass murder simulator,violence inducing console,sex sex sex"

I could have Mario shoot people in the head and fuck Peach?  Sounds like my dream console.  :'(

[Damian79]

Imagine a world were Nintendo console fills the headlines as "shooter box,mass murder simulator,violence inducing console,sex sex sex"

I could have Mario shoot people in the head and fuck Peach?  Sounds like my dream console.  :'(

Well the best we got is this peach platformet where goombas and koopa fucks her.

[The Sceneman]

"the 3DS is a reptilian platform"
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[EmCeeGrammar]

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/archive/index_test.jsp&ct=110032&arch=t&lyr=2011&year=2011&week=14

No games in the top 40 doesn't bode well. And yeah, I'm pretty sure of it now- this is apple's market.

[maxy]

It's true that it doesn't take much to enter UK weekly top 40,something like one or two thousands units or even less...10k should be enough to get in top 10
People have to remember that 3DS is competing with multi-million userbase platforms.But this shows that 3DS weekly hardware sales are not high.

If 3DS underperforms during the holidays or when Nintendo releases cheaper 3DS Lite then you can stick a fork into it.

Machine is expensive and typical Nintendo audience is not biting,yet

It will be interesting to see what NPD says,if we are that lucky







 

[Sho Nuff]

Nintendo wants to find dev studios and cripple then by having to work on outdated hardware.

Retro>Nintendo.

Actually...

Working as a Nintendo third-party studio would guarantee the following:

1. A manageable team size and budget (aka don't have to fire 50 environment artists once the project's over)
2. A guaranteed marketing budget and push
3. Really intense hands-on gameplay support from Nintendo designers (this could be good and bad though)

That sounds like a pretty sweet deal to anyone running an independent dev house these days.

I don't know how royalties would work for second parties (royalties hardly amount to anything in the industry for 95% of the projects, anyway).

[EmCeeGrammar]

2. A guaranteed marketing budget and push

Naw, much to my cha... chu... chragri... dismay, at times they throw great games out there like Excitebots with next to no marketing.  It had no tv or print ads and hell I don't even remember web ads either.

[Don Flamenco]

ok, it's already getting dusty...going back to amazon. 

<3 30 day no questions return policy

here's what I did:
--love 3d pics
--played some SFIV (sucks) and Samurai Warriors (awesome)
--played some DS flash cart
--used the pedometer a few times


i will wait until it's cheaper used and has more games.  3d pics in 620x480 doesn't quite justify the price.

i do this with every system (try it out and return) cause i have to see new hardware...

[TakingBackSunday]

--played some SFIV (sucks) and Samurai Warriors (awesome)

[cool breeze]

whoa, what? you can return to Amazon and get full price?

[pilonv1]

Watched a friend play with the SFIV street pass function on the weekend, is it lame that I consider this the most interesting part of the device?

[The Sceneman]

--played some SFIV (sucks) and Samurai Warriors (awesome)

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again, classic Nintard. It's the first street fighter game you've ever played so it's amazing

[Himu]

samurai warriors looks like hot cum

[TakingBackSunday]

--played some SFIV (sucks) and Samurai Warriors (awesome)

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again, classic Nintard. It's the first street fighter game you've ever played so it's amazing

It is not!  I played Street Fighter 3 all the fucking time at my local roller rink whenever our school had skate days.  I had played SFIV a few times on my friend's PS3, but I didn't really plan on buying it for my 360 because I'm just shitty at fighting games.  I'm guess using this game to get back into figthers.  Let me get back into it whichever way I want

And besides, the online play automatically makes this the best handheld fighter evar.  so shut up

[Bebpo]

samurai warriors looks like hot cum

If you're playing DW7 it'll feel like a slap in the face

[maxy]

[maxy]

I wish this fake rumor is true,just to see ninthings changing tune about iphone models

"At GDC, we heard reference to Nintendo's "Project Butterfly", the intended succesor to the Wii. No specs were given, though the hardware is designed to be physically upgraded over time. As it was explained to us, by plugging in new parts it 'becomes' a new machine. It will be marketed as the antidote to Apple's yearly redesigns. One machine, for life."

gaf has appropriate pic

[demi]

A June 19 launch date has been set for The Legend of Zelda™: Ocarina of Time™ 3D, a re-mastered edition of one of the most acclaimed installments in The Legend of Zelda series, created exclusively for the Nintendo 3DS system

The game will also feature new challenges not included in the original game. The Legend of Zelda veterans can look forward to the Master Quest – a second quest with revamped puzzles and redesigned dungeons that feature the same graphical and interface upgrades as the main game.



NIS America, Inc. Cave Story 3D June 28

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/archive/index_test.jsp&ct=110032&arch=t&lyr=2011&year=2011&week=14

No games in the top 40 doesn't bode well. And yeah, I'm pretty sure of it now- this is apple's market.

The 3DS doesn't have shit for the launch.  Nothing that compels people (outside of the hardcore Nintard/collector nerd sets) to spend $250 + $40+ for a 3DS and a game.  It is just that simple.  It isn't like 3D is a novelty either.  It seems like every major movie released in the past few months has a 3D version and this summer will be crammed full of 3D movie options.  The 3D appeal would have been fantastic a year ago on the cusp of Avatar but it isn't anything special, not $250 special anyway.

Although as I said before, Nintendo just has to release a couple of Pokemon games and they will be golden

[EmCeeGrammar]

I don't like people who want to claim there's nothing compelling.  Its a nice variety of stuff with a few good gems.  We are witnessing a perception shift from full priced portable games.

[pilonv1]

A port of Star Fox 64, super compelling

[cool breeze]

Games have a part.  It's not so much that it doesn't have quality games, but they're games you've most likely already played unless you're the most stringent nintendo wackjob.  And I feel like the excuse of "well now I can play it on the go" is less relevant when (I'm apologizing in advance for this) the iphone is the thing a lot of people are playing on the go.  Ridge Racer isn't compelling when I basically have the same thing on the PSP, or I could go out and buy Ridge Racer 2 for PSP for $5 as opposed to the $40 for Ridge Racer 3DS.

In general I don't think launches mean a lot because the DS has a terrible one and the PSP had an excellent one.  But yeah, dropping $250 for a device I don't need and $40 for games I basically already own doesn't sound like I'm spending money wisely.

So far the 3DS is probably the worst gaming hardware I've had since, um, it might actually be the worst.  It's there with the PS3 for me, except I'm not playing the previous console games in better quality, so that lowers it.  Both were bought for future potential.  It's probably going to remain untouched for another two months, and then I'm going to play an N64 port.  At that point it might surpass the PS3!

This is all very personal, btw.  The hardware isn't bad, the games aren't bad, or anything like that.  I just don't have a reason to use it ergo it's useless and stupid and dumb.

[TakingBackSunday]

dat new artwork

[MCD]

tl;dr where is my 3DSTT.

[Oblivion]

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I can't believe Nintendo actually outsourced development for this remake.  

[TakingBackSunday]

To be honest, that's probably a good thing.

[maxy]

I don't see anything bad with outsourcing some old game if the primary objective is just to make it run on 3DS.

Zelda artwork is hot,imagine how it would look on 360... RDR

Hopefully next Nintendo console addresses that issue and turns ninthings into hd lovers.

[Raban]

To be honest, that's probably a good thing.

How much did it hurt to type this?

[demi]

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dat new artwork

Looks like shitty fanart...

[TakingBackSunday]

To be honest, that's probably a good thing.

How much did it hurt to type this?

it doesn't hurt at all.  Some of the best Zelda games are the ones handled by outside development teams, and jesus, this game already came out 13 years ago.  It's pretty hard to fuck it up.

[Corporal]

Links Awakening

Minish Cap 

repeat spelunking through the central dungeon of supreme boredom
driving around on a train

I'd say the track record shows that at least on portables Nintendo can't even hope to reach 3rd party dev levels of Zelda goodness.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oracle games = wildcard, haven't played them but consensus appears to be that they're at least good.

[close]

[EmCeeGrammar]

A port of Star Fox 64, super compelling

I'm talking about how consumers would perceive it if variety was their chief concern.  You have a flying simulator, a racing game, samurai beat em up, street fighter, submarine thing, virtual pet, war tactics game,  etc.   As far as I'm concerned there is something for everyone.  The chart prescence does indicate something isn't geling though, and I would bet its the game prices.

[Phoenix Dark]

Nintendo is content to continue rehashing business strategies, from selling slightly updated ports as killer aps to handicapping third party developers with their poor hardware. Luckily for them those strategies maximize profit, but in the long term I'm not sure they're going to position Nintendo to dominate much of anything. Apple seems like they can usurp the "casual" throne quite effortlessly, and Nintendo finds themselves peddling toys instead of the life style product they envision.

Nintendo has yet to really show developers the true potential of the Wii. Instead we've gotten a house of drag and point gimmicks from the Wii, and a complete abandonment of the DS' features, with the touch screen becoming little more than a map or inventory tool.

Meanwhile Microsoft targeted their audience, gave them what they wanted, and are seeing explosive continual growth. Sony is following the blueprint and seeing success. And the Wii trods along aimlessly with games that came out months or even years ago topping the charts. HDTV markets are increasing, gaming is growing, and Nintendo doesn't have a horse in the race. The 3DS seems like a half hearted attempt at giving hardcore some purdy graphics while giving casuals a gimmick they can whip out every Thanksgiving or Christmas, but I doubt it'll work in the long run. And the WiiHD will have a similar fate, as developers clearly have more important things to do than recreate games they could have made 2-3 years ago.

[TakingBackSunday]

Links Awakening

Minish Cap 

repeat spelunking through the central dungeon of supreme boredom
driving around on a train

I'd say the track record shows that at least on portables Nintendo can't even hope to reach 3rd party dev levels of Zelda goodness.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oracle games = wildcard, haven't played them but consensus appears to be that they're at least good.

[close]

The Oracle games are the best!    Play them now!

[Sho Nuff]

Hai guys

Here, have a $40 3DS game for $.99

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/asphalt-6-adrenaline/id400973408?mt=8

Enjoy higher resolution, even on a 3GS

[Beezy]

It's crazy how someone could easily mistake you for a person that plays video games, PD.

[Sho Nuff]

Notice I didn't say Asphalt was -good-

While I'm at it, here's another $39.99 game for $2.99, with more levels and content than the 3DS version. PLEASE TO ENJOY

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/super-monkey-ball-2/id340056794?mt=8

[naff]

dat new artwork

Epona looks like my little pony; GAFtards rejoice

[EmCeeGrammar]

Notice I didn't say Asphalt was -good-

While I'm at it, here's another $39.99 game for $2.99, with more levels and content than the 3DS version. PLEASE TO ENJOY

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/super-monkey-ball-2/id340056794?mt=8

As I've said, terrible terrible tilt controls on this one.  Sorry sho nuff.

[MCD]

Please do not post iTunes links.

It is against the rules.

[cool breeze]

has anyone seen the new screens of Zelda 3ds? ignoring the n64 port jokes (some screens, not posted, look like nice technical improvements) they decided to change the design of hyrule to candyland

[TakingBackSunday]

Looks...like Zelda 

[cool breeze]

If I may draw your attention to the screens on the left, those are from Zelda Ocarina of Time on the N64.  The ones on the right are from Zelda 3DS.  Difficult to tell apart, I know, but the takeaway is how much more saturated and fanciful the 3DS version is.  Ain't no one getting the bubonic plague in the right pictures.

[iconoclast]

Well, that looks terrible. Seems like they really messed up the art and mood of the world.

[MCD]

Looks loads better.

Art and mood my ass.

[TakingBackSunday]

Looks loads better.

Art and mood my ass.

thank you.

[Shaka Khan]

I never played OoT for more than an hour, so all these changes, no matter how subtle to everyone who played every iteration since 98, is much welcomed.

What I'm trying to say is that the screens on the right > left.

[magus]

Well, that looks terrible. Seems like they really messed up the art and mood of the world.

it just looks more bright,maybe they are thinking of removing the backlight option from the next iteration of 3DS

[Oblivion]

Overall, I'm not a huge fan of the new color scheme. Though there are definitely some areas that do look better, like with Castletown (I don't remember the colors being so washed out in the original).

I love OoT and all, but this re-make is a tad disappointing. The 3DS has triple the RAM of the GC, yet the grass textures are marginally better than what they were in Twilight Princess. B- effort, sadly. Nintendo should have done this bitch in-house.

[originalz]

Likely just trying to give a better contrast between past and future worlds, I'm sure Hyrule won't look so cheerful once you turn into adult Link.