3DS Discussion Thread

[Tasty]

Crunchy bringing the hate.

If he hates it, I like it, so I assume 3D Land is GOTY by the amount of vile he's spewing.

[Himu]

the levels last less than a minute! how is that in any way GOOD? just when a level STARTS to get a bit interesting, BOOM. jump on dat flagpole, ya adhd MORAN

sounds like they took a page from smb3

pass

[Himu]

TBH I always found that annoying about SMB3. It's why I like SMW more, longer levels.

But short levels suit the handheld more.

You know what I found annoying about Super Mario Bros. 3? That it sucked.

Goddamn, I love this thread, it's perfect. I am in TEARS of JOY.

[Tasty]

TBH I always found that annoying about SMB3. It's why I like SMW more, longer levels.

But short levels suit the handheld more.

You know what I found annoying about Super Mario Bros. 3? That it sucked.

SMW was much better but 3 was fine for what it was. Sort of amazed they were able to coax that much out of the hardware.

I know you might be trollin' but I wanted to get my thoughts out.

[Bebpo]

The short levels are an interesting dilemma.

On one hand, they lack that memorable quality that the 3-5 min Galaxy stages have.  Where each level was an actual LEVEL with its own set of varied challenges across an interesting design.  I can't remember a single stage in Mario 3DS beyond "yeah, there was this gummi level, and a few airships, etc...".

Otoh, the short design makes the stages a great pick up and play FUN and makes getting all 3 coins enjoyable since replaying a level over and over again is no big thang.  It's always fun and the levels mix it up enough that doing 1 min here, 1 min there, gives constant variety.  However, the game length is also pretty short because of this.  I'm guessing you could get through all 8 worlds 1st run with all coins in about 4-5 hours no problem. 

But I know I like it more than NSMB Wii.  I think I'm bored of 2d-only Mario at this point.  Like how they mix up the platforming in Galaxy and 3DS.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Otoh, the short design makes the stages a great pick up and play FUN and makes getting all 3 coins enjoyable since replaying a level over and over again is no big thang.  It's always fun and the levels mix it up enough that doing 1 min here, 1 min there, gives constant variety.  However, the game length is also pretty short because of this.  I'm guessing you could get through all 8 worlds 1st run with all coins in about 4-5 hours no problem. 

Yet he bashes iOS games.

[Van Cruncheon]

i got through the game in under 2 hours.

[Tasty]

2 US or 2 JP?

Even though it failed as a sequel I think I like 2 JP more.

3 has a lot of good game design ideas, I thought. It's a very solid game, nostalgia or no.

[Van Cruncheon]

3 had good ideas, for sure, and it was shockingly impressive and deep for an 8-bit game. however, this isn't 1990 any more

[Tasty]

3 had good ideas, for sure, and it was shockingly impressive and deep for an 8-bit game. however, this isn't 1990 any more

Crunch and I share the exact same opinion of a game.  Is this real life?

2 US, and I played 2 JP in the SNES collection and loved it cause it was more like the first.

That's the best way to play it. You get a better continue system and the graphics are far, far better (2 JP's graphics are worse than the originals, I think.)

Although playing the non-SNES version puts hair on your chest. I've gotten to 8-3 a couple times, still have to beat it. (VC/NES version.)

[magus]

short stage you guys say?

[Eel O'Brian]

i got through the game in under 2 hours.

so you still had fifteen minutes of battery life left!

[Himu]

Cut the Rope > Super Mario Land 3d

2 dollars and months worth of content

versus 40 dollars and 2 hours worth of content

your choice

[bork]

i got through the game in under 2 hours.

You got all the coins on the stages and then completed all the special stages in under two hours?   

Playing through the game without getting to the special stages is like playing through Castlevania SOTN without unlocking the upside-down castle and saying it's completed.

short stage you guys say?

This can't be done until you've unlocked Luigi first...which means getting to the special stages...which means some time spent playing through everything.

[AdmiralViscen]

The short levels are an interesting dilemma.

On one hand, they lack that memorable quality that the 3-5 min Galaxy stages have.  Where each level was an actual LEVEL with its own set of varied challenges across an interesting design.  I can't remember a single stage in Mario 3DS beyond "yeah, there was this gummi level, and a few airships, etc...".

Otoh, the short design makes the stages a great pick up and play FUN and makes getting all 3 coins enjoyable since replaying a level over and over again is no big thang.  It's always fun and the levels mix it up enough that doing 1 min here, 1 min there, gives constant variety.  However, the game length is also pretty short because of this.  I'm guessing you could get through all 8 worlds 1st run with all coins in about 4-5 hours no problem. 

But I know I like it more than NSMB Wii.  I think I'm bored of 2d-only Mario at this point.  Like how they mix up the platforming in Galaxy and 3DS.

I'm okay with the short levels, but I'm not okay with there only being 4-5 per world. That's pathetic. Also, the coins could have made for a decent challenge (I'd rather just have well designed levels then a coin hunt), but they are almost always staring you in the face. I missed 4 or 5 in my first run through.

The special worlds are better, but I'm up to Special World 4 and I have missed 1 coin (in the annoying level with the little green platforms that move forward or back based on where you are standing).

[Van Cruncheon]

i got through the game in under 2 hours.

You got all the coins on the stages and then completed all the special stages in under two hours?   

Playing through the game without getting to the special stages is like playing through Castlevania SOTN without unlocking the upside-down castle and saying it's completed.

short stage you guys say?

This can't be done until you've unlocked Luigi first...which means getting to the special stages...which means some time spent playing through everything.

castlevania, on the other hand, had gameplay that made the backtracking worthwhile. smbl3d? i'll just replay mario galaxy 2.

[Shaka Khan]

Just how different is this "remixed" post-game content? The game is nice, but I started playing yesterday and now I'm at World 7, all coins collected, all flagpoles perfected.

What I've played up to this point has been a good platter of bite-sized appetizers, but if the post-game content doesn't feel different, challenging or satisfying enough, I'm rating this eatery a C+.

[AdmiralViscen]

I feel like it's pretty different. Many of the levels seem to be totally new.

I didn't realize that I was supposed to give a shit about topping the flagpole when I had 100+ lives. Doesn't seem to be an indicator for what levels I've done it on, unless I run through the level again.

[Shaka Khan]

Actually, there is an indicator; in level select, you'll notice a gold flag icon in the top screen, bottom right side, when standing on any perfected levels.

[Bebpo]

What is the point of topping flagpoles?

[demi]

What is the point of topping flagpoles?

[Himu]

the levels last less than a minute! how is that in any way GOOD? just when a level STARTS to get a bit interesting, BOOM. jump on dat flagpole, ya adhd MORAN

sounds like they took a page from smb3

pass

you say that like you even had a choice

you're too poor to afford a 3ds

saved by poverty

[Oblivion]

i got through the game in under 2 hours.

That's pretty bad. D:

NSMBW took 6 hours for me to beat, without getting the secret world and all the coin challenges.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'm up to special world 6 and I think 90% of the levels are new. It still isn't super hard, I haven't missed more than 5 coins, but it is fun and challenging.

Unfortunately, the hardest levels are hard due to the camera or spamming shit all over the screen.

[cool breeze]

What is the point of topping flagpoles?

topping all the flagpoles, getting all the coins, and beating every level with both characters unlocks the last challenge level.  it's all basically an inane requirement for about 2 or 3 minutes of extra content.

[Bebpo]

lol, nintendo.

[Bebpo]

Why does a game have to be HARD to be enjoyed?

I am slow.  I am only on world 5 of my first run (getting all coins as I go).  I have like 65 lives.  The game is not particularly hard.  Still, the game has been loads of fun.

[Bebpo]

Eh, I think there's a big jump between what's in the first half of this game and Kirby.  Kirby bores me to tears, in Mario I have to actively TRY.  Sure I don't lose many lives, but it makes me feel like I'm not losing lives because I AM AN AWESOME MARIO PLAYER.  There are challenges and jumps and I continually overcome them and it is satisfying.  It's just not particularly hard.  I don't think it's baby easy either.  Just like standard Mario difficulty post SNES.  Kirby is baby difficulty and I never feel like I'm accomplishing anything when I beat a level.

[magus]

you know i understand very well what segata means,it's pretty much how i feel about both version of NSMB and super mario galaxy 2

[Shaka Khan]

The biggest problem is not the number of levels or worlds. It's the length of levels, especially when there's so much variety in the first 8 worlds, with few ideas, obstacles, etc being recycled. I mean even if they doubled the number of worlds, I'll still feel disappointed that cool looking level x - x ended abruptly when it was just getting interesting. And by interesting, I also thinking of challenge. So yeah, level length and challenge is a major issue regardless of how many special worlds there are.

[cool breeze]

well, it does recycle ideas from the galaxy games, like that one music beat/timing stage.  And then that one stage is used as three different levels in the 3DS game (once as regular, twice as special).

[Shaka Khan]

I've only played a little of the Galaxy games and NSMBWii. So most of this content is new to me

But the content recycling I was referring to, is the one within this game itself. They've done a nice job at varying the themes, ideas, and obstacles for the most part. And as Enl previously said, they scored points for not confining themselves to one theme per-world. Though my complaint about level length still stands; I've yet to play one satisfying level content-wise, it's all been a tease up to this point.

[bork]

I've only played a little of the Galaxy games and NSMBWii. So most of this content is new to me

Same here.

[AdmiralViscen]

Am I the only one who thinks the jumping momentum is all fucked? Mario seems to hit a midair wall if you haven't run for 30 feet before a jump. Can get really annoying when the levels actually stat to get Hardin the special zone. Camera can start to be really annoying too,

[Shaka Khan]

In the earlier stages, apparently the game was even more "four-directional", a la Bug on the Saturn.

So I wasn't imagining that. I remember people pretty bummed about the controls being 4 (are you sure it wasn't 8?) directional. Some of the usual suspects instantly starting defending it as well. I'm curious why someone thought it'd be a good idea in the first place, and how terrible it would actually play compared to how it does now.

[cool breeze]

I think the game still locks you into the eight directions at times.  sometimes it feels full analog while others I can't make fine turns around an object.

[Van Cruncheon]

what's with the hate for nsmb wii? i thought it was great, the awful and poorly-integrated waggle bits aside

[Shaka Khan]

Everyone who matters likes the game, so beats me.

[cool breeze]

is there hate for it? I remember everyone here liking it.  NSMB DS is the weak one.


well, it did lack any personality, like Mario 3DS, and had bad music.  but the gameplay was really fun and that's what matters.

[Van Cruncheon]

oh, oops. yeah. nsmb ds was crap. i'd kinda wiped it from my mind.

[magus]

what's with the hate for nsmb wii? i thought it was great, the awful and poorly-integrated waggle bits aside

it's so boring and bland,it feels like a super mario hack
there's nothing new super mario bros wii does that a replay of super mario world does not

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

what's with the hate for nsmb wii? i thought it was great, the awful and poorly-integrated waggle bits aside

it's so boring and bland,it feels like a super mario hack
there's nothing new super mario bros wii does that a replay of super mario world does not

Shut the fuck up, dingus.  I'm tired of your flavor of mongoloid contrarianism cum shameless piracy and tightassery.

[Shaka Khan]

Everyone who matters likes the game, so beats me.

[Phoenix Dark]

nsmb ds felt like a repetitive flash game

[Van Cruncheon]

what's with the hate for nsmb wii? i thought it was great, the awful and poorly-integrated waggle bits aside

it's so boring and bland,it feels like a super mario hack
there's nothing new super mario bros wii does that a replay of super mario world does not

Shut the fuck up, dingus.  I'm tired of your flavor of mongoloid contrarianism cum shameless piracy and tightassery.

well, that saved me typing the same thing

[magus]

if anything i don't get how people can dislike NSMB DS but like the wii one,for me they might as well be the same game so... *shrugs*

Shut the fuck up, dingus.  I'm tired of your flavor of mongoloid contrarianism cum shameless piracy and tightassery.

come at me bro

[Shaka Khan]

Anyhow, back to Mario Land 3D:

When you complete the game 100%, you get 5 stars on your save. How do you get those 5 stars? by performing the following:

Fifth Star         Have all stages cleared with both Mario and Luigi, and have gotten a Golden Flagpole on each
First Star         Defeat Bowser in World 8's second Castle
Fourth Star      Obtain all 285 Star Medals, not including the ones from Mystery Boxes
Glittering Stars      Never have the Super/Help Item Blocks appear: Never die five or more times in a row on any level.
Second Star      Clear all stages in the first 8 Worlds
Third Star         Defeat Bowser in World 8's second Castle again after defeating him in Special World 8's Castle

And this is how Nintendo is able to hook (exploit) their OCD'd fans.

(But seriously, fuck the Glittering Star; I thought the only requirement was not to use the help block. I could have quit/reload had I known about this. /OCD)

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm excited to get this and Mario Kart in the next few days

[Shaka Khan]

When will MK7 be released?

[Tasty]

It's more like Super Mario Galaxy and NSMB DS had a baby and forced it to level sizes similar to SMB3.

My 3 least favorite main Mario games? triple pass.

You dislike SMG? Your taste is now suspect.

Yeah, I love NSMB Wii.  Best Mario in ages.  But the DS one, it's just a popcorn fart.  I give it a pass because it was the first kick at the can in a while, and it led to NSMB Wii, but it's really dickless.

Agreed.

[Himu]

SMG > SMW2: YI > Sunshine > SMW > SMG2 > SMB1 > SMB2 usa > herpes > SMB3 > NSMB ds > SMB2j > AIDS > SM64 >

[Himu]

You know what? I'm going to have to put NSMB ds above SM64 as well. Plague or AIDS better than SM64? Seems so. Pick your poison. The fact I beat NSMB in one sitting soiled it for me, but thanks for reminding me of the fact that 64 is putrid feces in cartridge (or digital) format.

[Tasty]

SMG > SMW2: YI > Sunshine > SMW > SMG2 > SMB1 > SMB2 usa > SMB3 > SM64 > NSMB ds > SMB2j

I can't believe I agree with most of this. Well, the first half (although I haven't played Sunshine.) I would probably put NSMBW on par with SMG2, but it's a close call.

For the second half for me:

SMB3 > SM64 > SMB1 > SMB2j  > SMB2 USA > NSMB DS

SM64 isn't bad it's just almost completely contrary to everything Mario. I like exploration as much as anyone (again, I <3 World) but 64 took it way overboard.

[MCD]

Super Mario 64 is the only good 3D Mario.

[Himu]

SMB1 has (mostly) meaty levels and though some are repeated later on, the game itself has stood the annals of time.

SMB2 USA is fun, but not very Mario-ish.

SMB2 j sucks.

SMB3 is Mario bloat defined: quantity over quality, 1 minute levels with poorly thought out design sensibilities.

SMW is SMB3 but good. It's  a return to the more meaty levels of SMB1, but with more polish, variety, and substance. A true classic.

SMW2 takes it even further, and is the best 2d Mario game. It has the perfect balance of Mario "bloat". There's a lot of levels, but each one is unique, meaty, and full of surprises and content to last you a while and even tease your brain. Get everything in YI? Guess what? More game. Bow down.

SM64 is a return to SMB3 bloat. Oh great, this level takes me 1 minute to beat. Shit city.

Mario Sunshine is once again, another game that kinda has the Mario "bloat" formula down to a tee. While some levels suck, for the most part, what is there owns and owns hard. Blue coin challenges? Best damn platforming in the series bar none next to what SMG and YI has to offer. The different nozzles on the water pack changes the flow of the platforming and gives power ups an actual use beyond inane novelty's of 2d Mario of old.

NSMB ds. I beat this game in like one sitting on a road trip. Content sparse, and more easy than getting Tauntaun into your bed. Mediocrity incarnate.

SMG. This game makes me want to take my pants off and dance through the streets singing the praises of Nintendo while rubbing myself all over with hot butter.

SMG2 is that pretty girl who is cute, maybe even oinks when she laughs, but she doesn't stand up to that childhood crush you've got with her supple breasts and tender butt cheeks. In other words, SMG is a big hard dick waiting to be stroked and SMG2 is like...a flaccid 3-incher. I mean, it's a dick but it's not THE dick, ya know?

Bonus:

Wario Land - You know how sometimes you can feel that orgasm coming and you're all "this is so good I'm going to do it TWICE, I'm just in the mood for it". Wario Land is like that.

[magus]

mario 64 owns,kickass music,good use of what have become standard theme (you know the ice world,the desert world) and lot of stuff to find and see

and this fucking game here deserve more recognition from you morons!

[Tasty]

mario 64 owns,kickass music,good use of what have become standard theme (you know the ice world,the desert world) and lot of stuff to find and see

and this fucking game here deserve more recognition from you morons!

Easily my favorite portable Mario game (WL doesn't count.) Haven't played 3D Land though.

Also Himu SMB2j really isn't that bad. It absolutely fails as a sequel by basically recycling the first game, and it has worse graphics, but it's still very solid. A very good platformer.

if anything i don't get how people can dislike NSMB DS but like the wii one,for me they might as well be the same game so... *shrugs*

superficially they're very similar, much like a ball of rabbit shit and a ball of delicious chocolate

anyone with a shred of taste is able to rather easily distinguish the two, however

I was gonna post something like this. 

Pick any random level, say 6-3, and compare them and it's really night and day. NSMBW has suuuuch good level design in general, and then there's World 9... add four player co-op and you got a very solid Mario game that can stand toe-to-toe with the best in the series.

[cool breeze]

NSMB DS made you go back to old levels to get a tiny mushroom items to get coins and shortcuts from later levels.  Shit sucked.

[Bebpo]

Second thread in a week where I need to murder some bros

SMB3 is fucking classic.  How anyone can say it's less than perfection is beyond me.  Airships man

SMB3 > SM1 > SMW > Galaxy 1 > Galaxy 2 > Sunshine > 3DS ~ Wii > SM2U/SM2j > SM64* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS

*Not sure if I've ever even finished 64.  Didn't own a 64 when it came out and just played certain levels at a friends place.  Tried to play it on the DS but the controls were in anal rape ville.  Got it on Wiiware but never touched it.  Maybe one day I'll play through it.

[cool breeze]

apparently Mario Kart 3DS is supposed to be good.  the reviews say it's basically erasing the wii game.